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Group: Safarifriends Message: 30422 From: Dwayne Knoll Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30664 From: tom1scott Date: 6/21/2016
Subject: fuel guage stuck past full
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30667 From: TD Date: 6/22/2016
Subject: Re: fuel guage stuck past full & air compressor location
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30669 From: Jim Exler Date: 6/22/2016
Subject: Re: fuel guage stuck past full
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30677 From: ginny scott Date: 6/23/2016
Subject: Re: fuel guage stuck past full & air compressor location
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31376 From: dewey2501 Date: 10/18/2016
Subject: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31378 From: TD Date: 10/18/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31379 From: dewey2501 Date: 10/18/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31381 From: James Exler Date: 10/19/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31382 From: Lee Pedigo Date: 10/19/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31383 From: Lee Pedigo Date: 10/19/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31386 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/19/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31394 From: Lee Pedigo Date: 10/19/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32433 From: Joe Burch Date: 3/13/2017
Subject: Access to fuel level probe & Mirrors
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32434 From: James Exler Date: 3/13/2017
Subject: Re: Access to fuel level probe & Mirrors
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35416 From: Joe Burch Date: 8/14/2017
Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35418 From: Joe Burch Date: 8/14/2017
Subject: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35424 From: James Exler Date: 8/15/2017
Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting [1 Attachment]
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35426 From: Dog Date: 8/15/2017
Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35428 From: James Exler Date: 8/15/2017
Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
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Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
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Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
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Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
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Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
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Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
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Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35475 From: Gary Smith Date: 8/16/2017
Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
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Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
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Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
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Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35581 From: Bill Edwards Date: 8/21/2017
Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36703 From: Joe Burch Date: 11/9/2017
Subject: Fuel Gauge/Fuel Sender
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36717 From: James Exler Date: 11/10/2017
Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge/Fuel Sender
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37136 From: TD Date: 12/9/2017
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Subject: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel
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Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel
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Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel
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Subject: 1996 Serengeti Cruise works, Speedometer does not.
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Subject: Re: 1996 Serengeti Cruise works, Speedometer does not.
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Subject: Dead 12V in living room area (was: 1996 Serengeti Cruise works, Spee
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Subject: Re: 1996 Serengeti Cruise works, Speedometer does not.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42508 From: jumpnjoe59 Date: 8/2/2019
Subject: Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42511 From: burch1945 Date: 8/2/2019
Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42512 From: bilmac36 Date: 8/2/2019
Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 30422 From: Dwayne Knoll Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
As a mechanic the only way I would trouble shoot this would be to disconnect the sender wire at the tank, then ground the wire. It should then read full on the gauge.
If so then removal of the tank and replacement of the sender would be in order. Unless by chance it is an older style brass float that has a leak and is full of fuel. Then removing the fuel from the float and soldering could be a fix. Newer plastic type of floats can become saturated with fuel and sink. Rendering them useless. Replacement of the sending unit would be most obvious solution if grounding sends the gauge to full reading.


Dwayne Knoll
96 sahara cat 300 hp

On May 18, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Fritz Schooley foschooley@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Keith,
I’ve been watching these posts for awhile now and have not seen my workaround for a non-functioning fuel gauge. My ’97 Serengeti 40’ with Cat 3126 300HP is equipped with a Silverleaf VMS system which displays digitally information from the Cat engine control system. 
A fuel gauge is not part of this system but there is a VERY accurate engine data component that records fuel usage among various other parameters. It is located on the TRIP screen which is user selectable with a button on the Silverleaf’s display module. All values can be reset to zero at the start of a trip, and these values include mileage and fuel usage. I only reset the values at oil change time. This way I know when an oil change is due. But more to the point, I monitor the total gallons of fuel usage and note the total at each and every fill-up. When on the road, I then can easily calculate my remaining fuel in the tank by subtracting the last fuel fill-up reading from the present reading (gallons used since fill-up) and then subtracting this from my 105 gallon tank capacity.  Over time, i.e. several years and tens of thousands of miles, this method has served me well. I also can do a rough calculation of what a fill-up quantity should consist of before I pull into a pump. I’m always within a gallon or so when the pump shuts of and I cannot  dribble any more into the tank.

Here’s hoping you have the Silverleaf system on your rig. Manuals, even for the very old VMSII systems are still available for download at www.silverleafelectronics.com . Regarding the fill and vent hoses on my rig, I have always had to continue filling at a very slow rate to get the last 15 or so gallons into the tank because of fuel backing up into the fill line. I can, with patience, get a full tank this way. I cannot get a full tank by just latching the pump delivery nozzle, even at the slowest setting, and expect it to fill slowly enough to not back up in the line for those last 15 gallons.

Fritz
1997 Serengeti 40’, CAT 3126, 300HP Allison 6 Speed

On May 16, 2016, at 10:48 PM, kagzel777@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Dale, 


Thanks for your input.  I am going to use a endoscope and look inside the tank through the fill tube as well as the vent line.  I hope this will give me a better understanding of the tank layout.  The side entry of the fill line is perplexing and seems a poor design.  I spoke a man at a filling station today who was fueling up his Class A Winnie and asked if he had any such issue.  He stated that he must fill his tank very slowly or the vent line prevents a full fill.  

I do think I will end up just doing the math and filling the tank more often.  

Thanks again.

Keith



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dalemaggio@...> wrote :

I have a 98, 35ft. The tanks were made by TransferFlo in NoCal. They are most known for making aux tanks to put in the beds of pickup trucks.

I don't believe any of the Safari fuel gauges are calibrated. When mine reads empty, I can only get about 50 gal in an 88gal tank. So a third of the fuel was still in there.

If your filler hose really enters the tank half way up, you will never get a full tank. When the fuel level gets up to the fill tube, it will back up into the fill tube and pop the pump handle.

-=Dale=-

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On Sat, 5/14/16, kagzel777@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Safarifriends] Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 14, 2016, 5:28 PM


 









We are new to the motorhome adventure
and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future.
We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat
Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting
started with our new adventure.Does
anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel
level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close
to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get
48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The
fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has
stopped reading all together.  I checked all the leads to
and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear
to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might
be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level
from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube
enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I
don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 
My goal is to verify approximately how
much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer
to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take
it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked
properly.Any information will be greatly
appreciated.
Keith
H96 Serengeti LE 38ft









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Group: Safarifriends Message: 30664 From: tom1scott Date: 6/21/2016
Subject: fuel guage stuck past full

97 continental 4004  fuel gauge I stuck past full. I got water in my fuel and had to be towed and mechanic serviced and repaired water issue. Water was coming in at the filler neck, go figure? But after I picked it up I noticed fuel gauge was past full. I filled up and know I get 7-8 mpg but would like to repair as running generator and heating in winter will use fuel. Also getting ready to full time for 1 1/2 yr till I retire yeah. Any help would be nice. Also any idea about where I need to look for my air compressor. Air horns not working no sure if it solenoid or not. I am hydraulic with brakes. I imagine it is a small compressor somewhere. Thanks  

Group: Safarifriends Message: 30667 From: TD Date: 6/22/2016
Subject: Re: fuel guage stuck past full & air compressor location
Scott,

It's possible that your mechanic my have accidentally pinched the wire going to the fuel sending unit. If it's shorted to ground, that gauge will be pegged. Consider taking it back to the same shop and having them look at it.
Was the tank removed, or partially removed?

As for the air compressor, check that is works. If it doesn't, start with the basics, check for power, fuse, etc. If it does work, check for pressure at the compressor, and at the remote reservoir tank that's usually up front. There is a very small plastic line that runs from the compressor to the front tank, it could have a leak or be clogged. If all is well and works, then check for power going to the air horn solenoid when activating the horn.
Like Bill mentioned, the compressor should be mounted to the cross-member that is over the transmission. Some members have relocated the compressor out of the elements, into the compartment that houses the inverter. The relocation might be something to consider if you need to replace the old compressor...

Does your exhaust brake work?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:41 PM, ginnyscott01@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


97 continental 4004  fuel gauge I stuck past full. I got water in my fuel and had to be towed and mechanic serviced and repaired water issue. Water was coming in at the filler neck, go figure? But after I picked it up I noticed fuel gauge was past full. I filled up and know I get 7-8 mpg but would like to repair as running generator and heating in winter will use fuel. Also getting ready to full time for 1 1/2 yr till I retire yeah. Any help would be nice. Also any idea about where I need to look for my air compressor. Air horns not working no sure if it solenoid or not. I am hydraulic with brakes. I imagine it is a small compressor somewhere. Thanks  




Group: Safarifriends Message: 30669 From: Jim Exler Date: 6/22/2016
Subject: Re: fuel guage stuck past full
Ginny, (please sign your posts)
 
According to the data I have, the fuel sender from Transfer Flo should be 0-90 ohms with 0 at empty and 90 at full.
 
Check for a label on the fuel tank to determine the make and model of the tank. If it is not Transfer Flo, check with the manufacturer.
 
If the sender is as I have described, if the wire is disconnected or the ground for the tank is missing, then the gauge will go high as you describe. As the sender resistance reduces with the fuel level lowering, the gauge should move toward “E”.
 
I would look for the wire from the sending unit. It connects to the sender with a 1/4” push on so it could have been pulled off.
 
Grounding that wire should cause the gauge to go to “E” as a test. Of course, the key has to be on for power.
 
Jim Exler, Nampa, ID
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 9:41 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] fuel guage stuck past full
 
 

97 continental 4004  fuel gauge I stuck past full. I got water in my fuel and had to be towed and mechanic serviced and repaired water issue. Water was coming in at the filler neck, go figure? But after I picked it up I noticed fuel gauge was past full. I filled up and know I get 7-8 mpg but would like to repair as running generator and heating in winter will use fuel. Also getting ready to full time for 1 1/2 yr till I retire yeah. Any help would be nice. Also any idea about where I need to look for my air compressor. Air horns not working no sure if it solenoid or not. I am hydraulic with brakes. I imagine it is a small compressor somewhere. Thanks 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 30677 From: ginny scott Date: 6/23/2016
Subject: Re: fuel guage stuck past full & air compressor location
John,
Thanks for all the advice I am going to start tracking this down.  Sounds like a ground issue and I am going to start trouble shooting tomorrow.  The exhaust brakes do not work. 
 
 Tom Scott,


On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:33 AM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Scott,

It's possible that your mechanic my have accidentally pinched the wire going to the fuel sending unit. If it's shorted to ground, that gauge will be pegged. Consider taking it back to the same shop and having them look at it.
Was the tank removed, or partially removed?

As for the air compressor, check that is works. If it doesn't, start with the basics, check for power, fuse, etc. If it does work, check for pressure at the compressor, and at the remote reservoir tank that's usually up front. There is a very small plastic line that runs from the compressor to the front tank, it could have a leak or be clogged. If all is well and works, then check for power going to the air horn solenoid when activating the horn.
Like Bill mentioned, the compressor should be mounted to the cross-member that is over the transmission. Some members have relocated the compressor out of the elements, into the compartment that houses the inverter. The relocation might be something to consider if you need to replace the old compressor...

Does your exhaust brake work?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:41 PM, ginnyscott01@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


97 continental 4004  fuel gauge I stuck past full. I got water in my fuel and had to be towed and mechanic serviced and repaired water issue. Water was coming in at the filler neck, go figure? But after I picked it up I noticed fuel gauge was past full. I filled up and know I get 7-8 mpg but would like to repair as running generator and heating in winter will use fuel. Also getting ready to full time for 1 1/2 yr till I retire yeah. Any help would be nice. Also any idea about where I need to look for my air compressor. Air horns not working no sure if it solenoid or not. I am hydraulic with brakes. I imagine it is a small compressor somewhere. Thanks  





Group: Safarifriends Message: 31376 From: dewey2501 Date: 10/18/2016
Subject: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Hi everyone!

For my 96 Safari Sahara 30' we just recently purchased, someone replaced the fuel gauge on my rig before we got it.  Now the gauge doesn't register the levels like it should (thankfully I found this out when it said above 3/4 and was actually at less than 1/2).  Looking at different gauges and going from memory, it serves me that you have to match the gauge with the ohm rating of the sending units.  Now, here's the question - does anyone know what ohm range fuel gauge I need?  They state that you can empty the tank, take a measurement, then fill it and do the same thing, but with a 90 gallon tank, that's a bit more of a chore than I really want to undertake if I can avoid it.  I'm wondering if I can fill the tank and check and see what ohm reading it's showing and hopefully get a gauge to work that setting?  I know it may/may not be perfect, but it would have to be closer than what I've got now where it pegs out beyond full forever, then slowly comes down and finally starts to register.  I'm not about to let it get anywhere near the 1/2 mark at this time after the above discovery - that's more risk than care for.

While I'm at it and being needy, can someone please tell me where the power steering reservoir is located so I can check it?  It's rainy and miserable here, so I really don't want to try to spend a lot of time right now underneath looking if I can locate it faster.

Thanks,
Duane
96 Safari Sahara 30', Cat 3126


Group: Safarifriends Message: 31378 From: TD Date: 10/18/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Duane,

Most Safari fuel guages are wacked and have issues. If I remember
correctly, the issue is more often then not, a sending unit problem,
and not to many folks care to spend big bucks and/or effort to drop
the tank and have the sending unit replaced. Many members keep track
of mpg and how many miles the put on before the fill the tank again.

As for power steering reservior? It is a combination of power
steering, hydralic brake assist and your parking brake release. The
reservior is white, semi see through, and is located in your service
compartment (the most right/curbside rear compartment/bin). It is
about 15"X10" in size. Fluid is Dextron ATF (common GM trans fluid).

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On 10/18/16, dewey2501@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
>
> For my 96 Safari Sahara 30' we just recently purchased, someone replaced the
> fuel gauge on my rig before we got it. Now the gauge doesn't register the
> levels like it should (thankfully I found this out when it said above 3/4
> and was actually at less than 1/2). Looking at different gauges and going
> from memory, it serves me that you have to match the gauge with the ohm
> rating of the sending units. Now, here's the question - does anyone know
> what ohm range fuel gauge I need? They state that you can empty the tank,
> take a measurement, then fill it and do the same thing, but with a 90 gallon
> tank, that's a bit more of a chore than I really want to undertake if I can
> avoid it. I'm wondering if I can fill the tank and check and see what ohm
> reading it's showing and hopefully get a gauge to work that setting? I know
> it may/may not be perfect, but it would have to be closer than what I've got
> now where it pegs out beyond full forever, then slowly comes down and
> finally starts to register. I'm not about to let it get anywhere near the
> 1/2 mark at this time after the above discovery - that's more risk than care
> for.
>
> While I'm at it and being needy, can someone please tell me where the power
> steering reservoir is located so I can check it? It's rainy and miserable
> here, so I really don't want to try to spend a lot of time right now
> underneath looking if I can locate it faster.
>
> Thanks,
> Duane
> 96 Safari Sahara 30', Cat 3126
>
>
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31379 From: dewey2501 Date: 10/18/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Thanks, John.  That kind of explains a few things that were foggy (the power steering, namely).  I'll just learn to adapt to the fuel gauge pegging out when it's full like it does and go from there.  We still haven't had a chance to see what the actual MPG was on our last trip, so once I fill it again we will have a far better idea what to expect.  Someone removed the labels from the reservoir in the maintenance bay, so I wasn't really sure what all it did - I know it's got steady fluid flow running into it, but beyond that I had zero, and it's easier to ask sometimes.

Duane
96 Safari Sahara 30ft, 250HP Cat 3126, Allison 6spd
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31381 From: James Exler Date: 10/19/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly

Duane,

My 98 had a sending unit that was 90 ohms for a full tank. It should be 0 at empty. A copy of the sender is attached.

Fill the tank and you should be able to measure the 90 ohms behind the dash panel at the gauge (wire removed).

I didn't trust my gauge so I always filled the tank and reset the 'trip' to keep track of mileage. I could easily get 600 miles from a full tank. Though the gauge was not real linear, it proved to be acceptable and never let me down.

Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


On 10/18/2016 9:05 PM, dewey2501@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 

Hi everyone!

For my 96 Safari Sahara 30' we just recently purchased, someone replaced the fuel gauge on my rig before we got it.  Now the gauge doesn't register the levels like it should (thankfully I found this out when it said above 3/4 and was actually at less than 1/2).  Looking at different gauges and going from memory, it serves me that you have to match the gauge with the ohm rating of the sending units.  Now, here's the question - does anyone know what ohm range fuel gauge I need?  They state that you can empty the tank, take a measurement, then fill it and do the same thing, but with a 90 gallon tank, that's a bit more of a chore than I really want to undertake if I can avoid it.  I'm wondering if I can fill the tank and check and see what ohm reading it's showing and hopefully get a gauge to work that setting?  I know it may/may not be perfect, but it would have to be closer than what I've got now where it pegs out beyond full forever, then slowly comes down and finally starts to register.  I'm not about to let it get anywhere near the 1/2 mark at this time after the above discovery - that's more risk than care for.

While I'm at it and being needy, can someone please tell me where the power steering reservoir is located so I can check it?  It's rainy and miserable here, so I really don't want to try to spend a lot of time right now underneath looking if I can locate it faster.

Thanks,
Duane
96 Safari Sahara 30', Cat 3126



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31382 From: Lee Pedigo Date: 10/19/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly

I replaced my sending unit about a month ago.  Took about an hour and a half by myself.  On mine, you don’t have to drop the tank. You can crawl under and sit between the front axle and the tank.  Used one of these: 

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y831WQQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

 

$60.00 w/tax.    A huge improvement over the old mechanical rheostat unit that was original.   My gauge works perfectly now.

 

 

I took pictures… let me know if you need them.

 

Lee

 

1993 40’ Continental

300hp Cummins w/6sp Allison

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:46 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel gauge not reading properly

 

 

Duane,

Most Safari fuel guages are wacked and have issues. If I remember
correctly, the issue is more often then not, a sending unit problem,
and not to many folks care to spend big bucks and/or effort to drop
the tank and have the sending unit replaced. Many members keep track
of mpg and how many miles the put on before the fill the tank again.

As for power steering reservior? It is a combination of power
steering, hydralic brake assist and your parking brake release. The
reservior is white, semi see through, and is located in your service
compartment (the most right/curbside rear compartment/bin). It is
about 15"X10" in size. Fluid is Dextron ATF (common GM trans fluid).

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On 10/18/16, dewey2501@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> For my 96 Safari Sahara 30' we just recently purchased, someone replaced the
> fuel gauge on my rig before we got it. Now the gauge doesn't register the
> levels like it should (thankfully I found this out when it said above 3/4
> and was actually at less than 1/2). Looking at different gauges and going
> from memory, it serves me that you have to match the gauge with the ohm
> rating of the sending units. Now, here's the question - does anyone know
> what ohm range fuel gauge I need? They state that you can empty the tank,
> take a measurement, then fill it and do the same thing, but with a 90 gallon
> tank, that's a bit more of a chore than I really want to undertake if I can
> avoid it. I'm wondering if I can fill the tank and check and see what ohm
> reading it's showing and hopefully get a gauge to work that setting? I know
> it may/may not be perfect, but it would have to be closer than what I've got
> now where it pegs out beyond full forever, then slowly comes down and
> finally starts to register. I'm not about to let it get anywhere near the
> 1/2 mark at this time after the above discovery - that's more risk than care
> for.
>
> While I'm at it and being needy, can someone please tell me where the power
> steering reservoir is located so I can check it? It's rainy and miserable
> here, so I really don't want to try to spend a lot of time right now
> underneath looking if I can locate it faster.
>
> Thanks,
> Duane
> 96 Safari Sahara 30', Cat 3126
>
>
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 31383 From: Lee Pedigo Date: 10/19/2016
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
Attachments :

    My gauge never worked properly then I replaced my sending unit about a month ago.  Took about an hour and a half by myself.  On mine, you don’t have to drop the tank. You can crawl under and sit between the front axle and the tank.  Used one of these: 

     

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y831WQQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

     

     

    $60.00 w/tax.    A huge improvement over the old mechanical rheostat unit that was original.   My gauge works perfectly now. 

     

     

    I took pictures, but your tank may be different.

     

    Lee

     

    1993 40’ Continental

    300hp Cummins w/6sp Allison

     

    From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:46 PM
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel gauge not reading properly

     

     

    Duane,

    Most Safari fuel guages are wacked and have issues. If I remember
    correctly, the issue is more often then not, a sending unit problem,
    and not to many folks care to spend big bucks and/or effort to drop
    the tank and have the sending unit replaced. Many members keep track
    of mpg and how many miles the put on before the fill the tank again.

    As for power steering reservior? It is a combination of power
    steering, hydralic brake assist and your parking brake release. The
    reservior is white, semi see through, and is located in your service
    compartment (the most right/curbside rear compartment/bin). It is
    about 15"X10" in size. Fluid is Dextron ATF (common GM trans fluid).

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On 10/18/16, dewey2501@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    > Hi everyone!
    >
    > For my 96 Safari Sahara 30' we just recently purchased, someone replaced the
    > fuel gauge on my rig before we got it. Now the gauge doesn't register the
    > levels like it should (thankfully I found this out when it said above 3/4
    > and was actually at less than 1/2). Looking at different gauges and going
    > from memory, it serves me that you have to match the gauge with the ohm
    > rating of the sending units. Now, here's the question - does anyone know
    > what ohm range fuel gauge I need? They state that you can empty the tank,
    > take a measurement, then fill it and do the same thing, but with a 90 gallon
    > tank, that's a bit more of a chore than I really want to undertake if I can
    > avoid it. I'm wondering if I can fill the tank and check and see what ohm
    > reading it's showing and hopefully get a gauge to work that setting? I know
    > it may/may not be perfect, but it would have to be closer than what I've got
    > now where it pegs out beyond full forever, then slowly comes down and
    > finally starts to register. I'm not about to let it get anywhere near the
    > 1/2 mark at this time after the above discovery - that's more risk than care
    > for.
    >
    > While I'm at it and being needy, can someone please tell me where the power
    > steering reservoir is located so I can check it? It's rainy and miserable
    > here, so I really don't want to try to spend a lot of time right now
    > underneath looking if I can locate it faster.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Duane
    > 96 Safari Sahara 30', Cat 3126
    >
    >
    >

     

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 31386 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/19/2016
    Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
    The sender you used in your 1993 Continental shows to be 10 inches long, but the 90 gallon fuel tank used in the newer Sahara coaches shows to be almost 19 inches deep with a swinging float that is almost that long.  This may be a case where one size doesn't fit all.  Measure tank depth to determine what is needed, at least if you have not taken the old sending unit out yet.  A 10" sensor in a 19" tank will show empty when close to half the fuel is still in the tank.  Take a close look at the attachment JimX included with his reply on this topic.  It also shows the sender is 90 ohms, which should match the gauge.

    Gary
    2000 Trek with fuel gauge that has only worked occasionally since 2003

    On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:37 AM, 'Lee Pedigo' lped@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    My gauge never worked properly then I replaced my sending unit about a month ago.  Took about an hour and a half by myself.  On mine, you don’t have to drop the tank. You can crawl under and sit between the front axle and the tank.  Used one of these: 

     

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/ product/B00Y831WQQ/ref=od_aui_ detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

     

     

    $60.00 w/tax.    A huge improvement over the old mechanical rheostat unit that was original.   My gauge works perfectly now. 

     

     

    I took pictures, but your tank may be different.

     

    Lee

     

    1993 40’ Continental

    300hp Cummins w/6sp Allison

     

    From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:46 PM
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel gauge not reading properly

     

     

    Duane,

    Most Safari fuel guages are wacked and have issues. If I remember
    correctly, the issue is more often then not, a sending unit problem,
    and not to many folks care to spend big bucks and/or effort to drop
    the tank and have the sending unit replaced. Many members keep track
    of mpg and how many miles the put on before the fill the tank again.

    As for power steering reservior? It is a combination of power
    steering, hydralic brake assist and your parking brake release. The
    reservior is white, semi see through, and is located in your service
    compartment (the most right/curbside rear compartment/bin). It is
    about 15"X10" in size. Fluid is Dextron ATF (common GM trans fluid).

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On 10/18/16, dewey2501@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
    > Hi everyone!
    >
    > For my 96 Safari Sahara 30' we just recently purchased, someone replaced the
    > fuel gauge on my rig before we got it. Now the gauge doesn't register the
    > levels like it should (thankfully I found this out when it said above 3/4
    > and was actually at less than 1/2). Looking at different gauges and going
    > from memory, it serves me that you have to match the gauge with the ohm
    > rating of the sending units. Now, here's the question - does anyone know
    > what ohm range fuel gauge I need? They state that you can empty the tank,
    > take a measurement, then fill it and do the same thing, but with a 90 gallon
    > tank, that's a bit more of a chore than I really want to undertake if I can
    > avoid it. I'm wondering if I can fill the tank and check and see what ohm
    > reading it's showing and hopefully get a gauge to work that setting? I know
    > it may/may not be perfect, but it would have to be closer than what I've got
    > now where it pegs out beyond full forever, then slowly comes down and
    > finally starts to register. I'm not about to let it get anywhere near the
    > 1/2 mark at this time after the above discovery - that's more risk than care
    > for.
    >
    > While I'm at it and being needy, can someone please tell me where the power
    > steering reservoir is located so I can check it? It's rainy and miserable
    > here, so I really don't want to try to spend a lot of time right now
    > underneath looking if I can locate it faster.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Duane
    > 96 Safari Sahara 30', Cat 3126
    >
    >
    >

     




    --
    Gary Smith
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 31394 From: Lee Pedigo Date: 10/19/2016
    Subject: Re: Fuel gauge not reading properly
    Attachments :

      Good point, Gary.

       

      Sorry, I should have mentioned that. The instructions on the page where you order say you need to measure the depth of the tank and order the sender 1” less than the total depth.  There’s a drop down on the ordering page that lets you chose the depth.  My tank is only 13” deep, so I ordered a 12” model.  When I took out the old sending unit, I measured the fuel in the tank (it was 1/3rd full).  After installation it showed 1/3rd on the gauge.  I’ve ran three tanks through it since… when it’s on E, you better be looking for a diesel station.   It also doesn’t jump around as much as the old unit.

       

      If your tank is 19”, I guess order the 17”… they don’t show an 18”

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:48 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel gauge not reading properly

       

       

      The sender you used in your 1993 Continental shows to be 10 inches long, but the 90 gallon fuel tank used in the newer Sahara coaches shows to be almost 19 inches deep with a swinging float that is almost that long.  This may be a case where one size doesn't fit all.  Measure tank depth to determine what is needed, at least if you have not taken the old sending unit out yet.  A 10" sensor in a 19" tank will show empty when close to half the fuel is still in the tank.  Take a close look at the attachment JimX included with his reply on this topic.  It also shows the sender is 90 ohms, which should match the gauge.

       

      Gary

      2000 Trek with fuel gauge that has only worked occasionally since 2003

       

      On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:37 AM, 'Lee Pedigo' lped@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      My gauge never worked properly then I replaced my sending unit about a month ago.  Took about an hour and a half by myself.  On mine, you don’t have to drop the tank. You can crawl under and sit between the front axle and the tank.  Used one of these: 

       

      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y831WQQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

       

       

      $60.00 w/tax.    A huge improvement over the old mechanical rheostat unit that was original.   My gauge works perfectly now. 

       

       

      I took pictures, but your tank may be different.

       

      Lee

       

      1993 40’ Continental

      300hp Cummins w/6sp Allison

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:46 PM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel gauge not reading properly

       

       

      Duane,

      Most Safari fuel guages are wacked and have issues. If I remember
      correctly, the issue is more often then not, a sending unit problem,
      and not to many folks care to spend big bucks and/or effort to drop
      the tank and have the sending unit replaced. Many members keep track
      of mpg and how many miles the put on before the fill the tank again.

      As for power steering reservior? It is a combination of power
      steering, hydralic brake assist and your parking brake release. The
      reservior is white, semi see through, and is located in your service
      compartment (the most right/curbside rear compartment/bin). It is
      about 15"X10" in size. Fluid is Dextron ATF (common GM trans fluid).

      John
      '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
      6spd.

      On 10/18/16, dewey2501@... [Safarifriends]
      <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      > Hi everyone!
      >
      > For my 96 Safari Sahara 30' we just recently purchased, someone replaced the
      > fuel gauge on my rig before we got it. Now the gauge doesn't register the
      > levels like it should (thankfully I found this out when it said above 3/4
      > and was actually at less than 1/2). Looking at different gauges and going
      > from memory, it serves me that you have to match the gauge with the ohm
      > rating of the sending units. Now, here's the question - does anyone know
      > what ohm range fuel gauge I need? They state that you can empty the tank,
      > take a measurement, then fill it and do the same thing, but with a 90 gallon
      > tank, that's a bit more of a chore than I really want to undertake if I can
      > avoid it. I'm wondering if I can fill the tank and check and see what ohm
      > reading it's showing and hopefully get a gauge to work that setting? I know
      > it may/may not be perfect, but it would have to be closer than what I've got
      > now where it pegs out beyond full forever, then slowly comes down and
      > finally starts to register. I'm not about to let it get anywhere near the
      > 1/2 mark at this time after the above discovery - that's more risk than care
      > for.
      >
      > While I'm at it and being needy, can someone please tell me where the power
      > steering reservoir is located so I can check it? It's rainy and miserable
      > here, so I really don't want to try to spend a lot of time right now
      > underneath looking if I can locate it faster.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Duane
      > 96 Safari Sahara 30', Cat 3126
      >
      >
      >

       



       

      --

      Gary Smith
      Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 32433 From: Joe Burch Date: 3/13/2017
      Subject: Access to fuel level probe & Mirrors

      Does nnyone know how to access the furl level probe in a 1996 Safari Sahara.  My fuel gauge automatically goes to full and stays there.  I am not sure what the problem is.  Also the bolts holding the front outside mirrors to the chassis have rusted out as well as thje nuts inside front of the mh.  Any ideass or suggestions will be welcome

      joe burch
      1996 Safari Sahara.
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 32434 From: James Exler Date: 3/13/2017
      Subject: Re: Access to fuel level probe & Mirrors

      Joe,

      Try the testing suggested in this article attached.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 3/13/2017 9:40 AM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Does nnyone know how to access the furl level probe in a 1996 Safari Sahara.  My fuel gauge automatically goes to full and stays there.  I am not sure what the problem is.  Also the bolts holding the front outside mirrors to the chassis have rusted out as well as thje nuts inside front of the mh.  Any ideass or suggestions will be welcome

      joe burch
      1996 Safari Sahara.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35416 From: Joe Burch Date: 8/14/2017
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

      regards,

      Joe Burch
      St Augustine, Fl 
      96 Sahara 36'
      cat 3126 engine
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35418 From: Joe Burch Date: 8/14/2017
      Subject: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
      Attachments :
      I have now attached the pic, thanks

      20170811_163722.jpg




      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

      regards,

      Joe Burch
      St Augustine, Fl 
      96 Sahara 36'
      cat 3126 engine


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35424 From: James Exler Date: 8/15/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting [1 Attachment]

      Joe,

      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      I have now attached the pic, thanks

      20170811_163722.jpg




      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

      regards,

      Joe Burch
      St Augustine, Fl 
      96 Sahara 36'
      cat 3126 engine




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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35426 From: Dog Date: 8/15/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      Jim

      How do you get to the back of the gages?

       

      dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:36 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Joe,

      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID

       

      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      I have now attached the pic, thanks

       

      20170811_163722.jpg

       

       


      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

       

      regards,

       

      Joe Burch

      St Augustine, Fl 

      96 Sahara 36'

      cat 3126 engine

       

       

       

      Virus-free. www.avg.com

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35428 From: James Exler Date: 8/15/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      Dave,

      If your dash is like the one in my 98 Sahara, the vinyl covered "box" forward of the panel comes off. First, you have to remove all the panel screws that attach the panel to the box.

      Under the dash there should be a 1/4" stud centered at each end of the box with a large washer and a wing nut. It is hard to find but if you remove these, the "box" will lift off the panel and you will have access to all the wiring and the gauges.

      Jim Exler


      On 8/15/2017 7:03 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Jim

      How do you get to the back of the gages?

       

      dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:36 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Joe,

      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID

       

      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      I have now attached the pic, thanks

       

      20170811_163722.jpg

       

       


      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

       

      regards,

       

      Joe Burch

      St Augustine, Fl 

      96 Sahara 36'

      cat 3126 engine

       

       

       

      Virus-free. www.avg.com


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35429 From: Dog Date: 8/15/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      Jim

      I Have a 2002 Zanzibar not sure about the panel you are talking about. There are screws all around the instrument panel on mine. Not sure if you have to take out all the screws or not?

      Dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:22 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Dave,

      If your dash is like the one in my 98 Sahara, the vinyl covered "box" forward of the panel comes off. First, you have to remove all the panel screws that attach the panel to the box.

      Under the dash there should be a 1/4" stud centered at each end of the box with a large washer and a wing nut. It is hard to find but if you remove these, the "box" will lift off the panel and you will have access to all the wiring and the gauges.

      Jim Exler

       

      On 8/15/2017 7:03 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      Jim

      How do you get to the back of the gages?

       

      dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:36 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Joe,

      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID

       

      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      I have now attached the pic, thanks

       

      20170811_163722.jpg

       

       


      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

       

      regards,

       

      Joe Burch

      St Augustine, Fl 

      96 Sahara 36'

      cat 3126 engine

       

       

       

      Virus-free. www.avg.com

       

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35431 From: James Exler Date: 8/15/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      Dave,

      First, if this is a Monaco product, I have no idea how they do it. My answer is for a SMC product.

      The panel is the instrument panel. On mine the top and sides were screwed to the "box"; the bottom was screwed to the dash assembly.

      Jim Exler


      On 8/15/2017 7:26 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Jim

      I Have a 2002 Zanzibar not sure about the panel you are talking about. There are screws all around the instrument panel on mine. Not sure if you have to take out all the screws or not?

      Dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:22 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Dave,

      If your dash is like the one in my 98 Sahara, the vinyl covered "box" forward of the panel comes off. First, you have to remove all the panel screws that attach the panel to the box.

      Under the dash there should be a 1/4" stud centered at each end of the box with a large washer and a wing nut. It is hard to find but if you remove these, the "box" will lift off the panel and you will have access to all the wiring and the gauges.

      Jim Exler

       

      On 8/15/2017 7:03 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      Jim

      How do you get to the back of the gages?

       

      dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:36 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Joe,

      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID

       

      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      I have now attached the pic, thanks

       

      20170811_163722.jpg

       

       


      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

       

      regards,

       

      Joe Burch

      St Augustine, Fl 

      96 Sahara 36'

      cat 3126 engine

       

       

       

      Virus-free. www.avg.com

       


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35432 From: Dog Date: 8/15/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      Ok thanks

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:43 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Dave,

      First, if this is a Monaco product, I have no idea how they do it. My answer is for a SMC product.

      The panel is the instrument panel. On mine the top and sides were screwed to the "box"; the bottom was screwed to the dash assembly.

      Jim Exler

       

      On 8/15/2017 7:26 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      Jim

      I Have a 2002 Zanzibar not sure about the panel you are talking about. There are screws all around the instrument panel on mine. Not sure if you have to take out all the screws or not?

      Dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:22 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Dave,

      If your dash is like the one in my 98 Sahara, the vinyl covered "box" forward of the panel comes off. First, you have to remove all the panel screws that attach the panel to the box.

      Under the dash there should be a 1/4" stud centered at each end of the box with a large washer and a wing nut. It is hard to find but if you remove these, the "box" will lift off the panel and you will have access to all the wiring and the gauges.

      Jim Exler

       

      On 8/15/2017 7:03 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      Jim

      How do you get to the back of the gages?

       

      dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:36 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Joe,

      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID

       

      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      I have now attached the pic, thanks

       

      20170811_163722.jpg

       

       


      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

       

      regards,

       

      Joe Burch

      St Augustine, Fl 

      96 Sahara 36'

      cat 3126 engine

       

       

       

      Virus-free. www.avg.com

       

       

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35442 From: ondaflore Date: 8/15/2017
      Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      Joe,

      The terminals on most fuel gauges are labeled S, I, and Gnd.  S is the sensor terminal.  It should only have one wire on it, coming from the sensor in the tank.  I is attached to 12vdc, switched by the ignition switch.  Both the I terminal and the Gnd terminal are often daisy chained from one dash gauge to the next, so you may see any number of wires on either terminal.

      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar

      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <burch1945@...> wrote :

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

      regards,

      Joe Burch
      St Augustine, Fl 
      96 Sahara 36'
      cat 3126 engine
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35450 From: Dog Date: 8/16/2017
      Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      Bob

        How do you get to the gages on your Zanzibar?

       

      Dave

      2002 safari Zanzibar

       

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:01 PM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

       

      Joe,

      The terminals on most fuel gauges are labeled S, I, and Gnd.  S is the sensor terminal.  It should only have one wire on it, coming from the sensor in the tank.  I is attached to 12vdc, switched by the ignition switch.  Both the I terminal and the Gnd terminal are often daisy chained from one dash gauge to the next, so you may see any number of wires on either terminal.

      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar

      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <burch1945@...> wrote :

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

       

      regards,

       

      Joe Burch

      St Augustine, Fl 

      96 Sahara 36'

      cat 3126 engine

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35469 From: Dog Date: 8/16/2017
      Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      Bob

        Thanks for the input. Also have you changed your air cleaner? If so do you know what part number it is?

       

      Dave

      2002 Zanzibar

       

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 10:14 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Dave,

      Thankfully I have not had to access anything behind the dash on my Zanzibar.  With the full width molded fiberglass dash structure, I think the only viable approach would be to remove the screws holding the plastic wood grain instrument panel and tilt it open far enough to access the back side.  I'd remove the radio first. My rig has a Sony radio and its full weight is supported by the dash and I wouldn't want to risk cracking the plastic. I'd also replace all the bulbs behind the dash while I had access.

      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar
      Big plucking fastic dash



      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dlswood@...> wrote :

      Bob

        How do you get to the gages on your Zanzibar?

       

      Dave

      2002 safari Zanzibar

       

       

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35475 From: Gary Smith Date: 8/16/2017
      Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
      Just wondering, Dave, what an air filter has to do with the fuel gauge?  Seems this should be a new topic?

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:45 PM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Bob

        Thanks for the input. Also have you changed your air cleaner? If so do you know what part number it is?

       

      Dave

      2002 Zanzibar

       

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 10:14 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Dave,

      Thankfully I have not had to access anything behind the dash on my Zanzibar.  With the full width molded fiberglass dash structure, I think the only viable approach would be to remove the screws holding the plastic wood grain instrument panel and tilt it open far enough to access the back side.  I'd remove the radio first. My rig has a Sony radio and its full weight is supported by the dash and I wouldn't want to risk cracking the plastic. I'd also replace all the bulbs behind the dash while I had access.

      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar
      Big plucking fastic dash



      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dlswood@...> wrote :

      Bob

        How do you get to the gages on your Zanzibar?

       

      Dave

      2002 safari Zanzibar

       

       




      --
      Gary Smith
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35482 From: Bill Edwards Date: 8/16/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
      Dog,

      Unscrew all those screws, lean the steering colum out all the way and then carefully work the dash panel put anad all of the wireing will be in front of you. But FIRST Check your ground wire outside and underneath. If this is not intact or broken the gauge will peg. Ask me how I know. Both of my coaches had the same problem. 1999 and 2001 

      Bill Edwards
      1999 Panther


      On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 7:26 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


       
      Jim
      I Have a 2002 Zanzibar not sure about the panel you are talking about. There are screws all around the instrument panel on mine. Not sure if you have to take out all the screws or not?
      Dave
       
      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:22 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
       
      Dave,
      If your dash is like the one in my 98 Sahara, the vinyl covered "box" forward of the panel comes off. First, you have to remove all the panel screws that attach the panel to the box.

      Under the dash there should be a 1/4" stud centered at each end of the box with a large washer and a wing nut. It is hard to find but if you remove these, the "box" will lift off the panel and you will have access to all the wiring and the gauges.
      Jim Exler
       
      On 8/15/2017 7:03 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Jim
      How do you get to the back of the gages?
       
      dave
       
      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:36 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
       
      Joe,
      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.
      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID
       
      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      I have now attached the pic, thanks
       
      20170811_163722.jpg
       
       

      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  
       
      regards,
       
      Joe Burch
      St Augustine, Fl 
      96 Sahara 36'
      cat 3126 engine
       
       
       
      Virus-free. www.avg.com
       


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35483 From: Travis hartzler Date: 8/16/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
      Mr. Edwards,

      Would you please give more info on "outside and underneath" grounding? I've lost four or five gauges at this point. Sounds like a common denominator, such as a poor ground connection, could be my culprit. 

      The Hartzler's and Bob the cat
      99 Z, 3126 cat, Alli world 6

      On Aug 16, 2017 8:18 PM, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Dog,

      Unscrew all those screws, lean the steering colum out all the way and then carefully work the dash panel put anad all of the wireing will be in front of you. But FIRST Check your ground wire outside and underneath. If this is not intact or broken the gauge will peg. Ask me how I know. Both of my coaches had the same problem. 1999 and 2001 

      Bill Edwards
      1999 Panther


      On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 7:26 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


       
      Jim
      I Have a 2002 Zanzibar not sure about the panel you are talking about. There are screws all around the instrument panel on mine. Not sure if you have to take out all the screws or not?
      Dave
       
      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:22 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
       
      Dave,
      If your dash is like the one in my 98 Sahara, the vinyl covered "box" forward of the panel comes off. First, you have to remove all the panel screws that attach the panel to the box.

      Under the dash there should be a 1/4" stud centered at each end of the box with a large washer and a wing nut. It is hard to find but if you remove these, the "box" will lift off the panel and you will have access to all the wiring and the gauges.
      Jim Exler
       
      On 8/15/2017 7:03 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Jim
      How do you get to the back of the gages?
       
      dave
       
      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:36 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
       
      Joe,
      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.
      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID
       
      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      I have now attached the pic, thanks
       
      20170811_163722.jpg
       
       

      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups. com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  
       
      regards,
       
      Joe Burch
      St Augustine, Fl 
      96 Sahara 36'
      cat 3126 engine
       
       
       
      Virus-free. www.avg.com
       



      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35489 From: Dog Date: 8/17/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

      Bill

      Thanks My Transmission temp gage is not working and I was going to try to take a look at it ans see if I could figure out what is going on.

       

      Dave

      2002 Zanzibar

       

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:50 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Dog,

       

      Unscrew all those screws, lean the steering colum out all the way and then carefully work the dash panel put anad all of the wireing will be in front of you. But FIRST Check your ground wire outside and underneath. If this is not intact or broken the gauge will peg. Ask me how I know. Both of my coaches had the same problem. 1999 and 2001 

       

      Bill Edwards

      1999 Panther

       

      On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 7:26 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

       

      Jim

      I Have a 2002 Zanzibar not sure about the panel you are talking about. There are screws all around the instrument panel on mine. Not sure if you have to take out all the screws or not?

      Dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:22 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Dave,

      If your dash is like the one in my 98 Sahara, the vinyl covered "box" forward of the panel comes off. First, you have to remove all the panel screws that attach the panel to the box.

      Under the dash there should be a 1/4" stud centered at each end of the box with a large washer and a wing nut. It is hard to find but if you remove these, the "box" will lift off the panel and you will have access to all the wiring and the gauges.

      Jim Exler

       

      On 8/15/2017 7:03 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      Jim

      How do you get to the back of the gages?

       

      dave

       

      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:36 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

       

      Joe,

      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID

       

      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      I have now attached the pic, thanks

       

       

       


      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting

       

      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  

       

      regards,

       

      Joe Burch

      St Augustine, Fl 

      96 Sahara 36'

      cat 3126 engine

       

       

       

      Virus-free. www.avg.com

       

       

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 35581 From: Bill Edwards Date: 8/21/2017
      Subject: Re: Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
      Loosing 4 or five gauges yes a more common point has been lost and probably behind the dash. it is not necessary to remove theradio a lot of additional work. I jave had my dash loose numerous times with little stress on it. Bigger problem is in the loosening it up and particularly replacing the screws. Pay attention to how tight u make them this is the problem,

      If it were only the fuel gauge I think outside and underneath is at the sender left side  behind left front wheel and between the chassis rails. It is barely accessible to check not to change. 

      Bill Edwards 
      1999 Panther


      On Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:58 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


       
      Bill
      Thanks My Transmission temp gage is not working and I was going to try to take a look at it ans see if I could figure out what is going on.
       
      Dave
      2002 Zanzibar
       
       
      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:50 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
       
      Dog,
       
      Unscrew all those screws, lean the steering colum out all the way and then carefully work the dash panel put anad all of the wireing will be in front of you. But FIRST Check your ground wire outside and underneath. If this is not intact or broken the gauge will peg. Ask me how I know. Both of my coaches had the same problem. 1999 and 2001 
       
      Bill Edwards
      1999 Panther
       
      On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 7:26 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       
       
      Jim
      I Have a 2002 Zanzibar not sure about the panel you are talking about. There are screws all around the instrument panel on mine. Not sure if you have to take out all the screws or not?
      Dave
       
      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 9:22 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
       
      Dave,
      If your dash is like the one in my 98 Sahara, the vinyl covered "box" forward of the panel comes off. First, you have to remove all the panel screws that attach the panel to the box.

      Under the dash there should be a 1/4" stud centered at each end of the box with a large washer and a wing nut. It is hard to find but if you remove these, the "box" will lift off the panel and you will have access to all the wiring and the gauges.
      Jim Exler
       
      On 8/15/2017 7:03 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Jim
      How do you get to the back of the gages?
       
      dave
       
      From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:36 AM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fw: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
       
      Joe,
      I have just posted a document in Files on trouble shooting gauges. The fuel sender in the Safari is 0-90 ohms empty to full.
      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID
       
      On 8/14/2017 9:56 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      I have now attached the pic, thanks
       
       
       

      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: Joe Burch <burch1945@...>
      To: Yahoogroups <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:54 PM
      Subject: Fuel Gauge troubleshooting
       
      My fuel gauge pegs all the way over to the right, past full anytime the ignition switch is on.  I want to check easily accessible possibilities first before removing carpet to get to fuel sending unit. Pse see attached pic of the backside of the fuel gauge.  It seems to me there are too many wires there but I don't know for sure.  The bolt on the left side has three wires attached to it.  Is this corrrect?  
       
      regards,
       
      Joe Burch
      St Augustine, Fl 
      96 Sahara 36'
      cat 3126 engine
       
       
       
      Virus-free. www.avg.com
       
       


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 36703 From: Joe Burch Date: 11/9/2017
      Subject: Fuel Gauge/Fuel Sender
      I have been planning this project for months and it is now time to move on with repairing the fuel gauge/sending unit.   Using the information provided by Jim Exler, I have concluded that the fuel gauge is working. (Except for one minor glitch which I have not figured out).  When I turn the head/parking lights on the fuel gauge moves about 1/4 tank. I suspect this is a voltage drop issue which I will verify tomorrow.  The gauge is correctly wired.  It will be necessary to access and possibly remove/replace the sending unit in the tank.  I have crawled all under the vehicle and and can not locate the sending unit on either side of the tank.  It must be on top.  Wednesday of  this coming week I will remove the the tank unless someone with experience can provide evidence there is an access hatch on top..  I have new carpet so am hesitant to rip it up on a whim.  
      1. Does anyone know if there is or should be an access hatch  through the floor?
      2. Does anyone know the sending unit part/model number? 
      3. Is it a combination fuel pump and sending unit?

      My nephew is coming to help me and I want to be as prepared as possible when he arrives.  

      regards, 

      Joe Burch
      96 Sahara
      3126 Cat
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 36717 From: James Exler Date: 11/10/2017
      Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge/Fuel Sender

      Joe,

      Attached are drawings for the sending unit and also the tank. These are from my 98 but I'll bet they are the same. The sending unit name on the drawing is off the page at the top but it is labeled "index" at the tank and shows a 5 bolt pattern.

      You could verify the tank dimensions you can get to for confirmation.

      There have been some stories posted on the site about creating a hatch in the floor to access the sending unit. You will have to search the messages for them or maybe one of the authors will read this and respond.

      Jim Exler


      On 11/9/2017 9:05 PM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      I have been planning this project for months and it is now time to move on with repairing the fuel gauge/sending unit.   Using the information provided by Jim Exler, I have concluded that the fuel gauge is working. (Except for one minor glitch which I have not figured out).  When I turn the head/parking lights on the fuel gauge moves about 1/4 tank. I suspect this is a voltage drop issue which I will verify tomorrow.  The gauge is correctly wired.  It will be necessary to access and possibly remove/replace the sending unit in the tank.  I have crawled all under the vehicle and and can not locate the sending unit on either side of the tank.  It must be on top.  Wednesday of  this coming week I will remove the the tank unless someone with experience can provide evidence there is an access hatch on top..  I have new carpet so am hesitant to rip it up on a whim.  
      1. Does anyone know if there is or should be an access hatch  through the floor?
      2. Does anyone know the sending unit part/model number? 
      3. Is it a combination fuel pump and sending unit?

      My nephew is coming to help me and I want to be as prepared as possible when he arrives.  

      regards, 

      Joe Burch
      96 Sahara
      3126 Cat


      Virus-free. www.avg.com
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 37136 From: TD Date: 12/9/2017
      Subject: Re: Solar system costs by Bill Edwards
      Dan,

      With all do respect, anyone that invests $1500 to $5000+ into solar and intends to do serious boondocking would be very foolish to skimp on the battery meter. It would be the equivalent of driving your vehicle without a fuel gauge. You must have missed that part on the handybobsolar blog, where he reiterates the need for a meter numerous times, in fact he drives the point so hard, that he strongly suggests/recommends that even RVers that boondock w/o solar need and should have a battery meter, and the ones that want solar should install the meter first, so they can asses their power usage, to know how big of a system to install. So, in all reality, the meter needs to be included in the cost. The other thing you may not realize is, the numbers Bill compiled, lists the Bogart Engineering SC2030 charge controllers, they work together in conjunction with the Bogart Engineering Trimetric TM-2030RV battery meter. This combination provides an additional, unique and very effective charge dimension, that works very well. I was surprised how well and effective it works, it definitely more than exceeded my expectations.

      I know that the point you are making is that you can have a decent solar setup for under $2000, but (IMHO) you implying that a battery meter is not needed, is a disservice for newbies and others wanting to get into solar. These types of implications are the exact opposite of what Handy Bob was trying accomplish with his blog. His generous and good hearted intent was to give people the knowledge to be able to build or spec out an effective and practical solar setup that actually works well, and that also helps the expensive batteries last longer.
      Also, Bill's intent was to give people an idea of what a system costs, it is presumed that one would fine tune a system to their needs, and bargain shop to save money, if they choose too. He underlined that point when he replied to my battery comment.

      John
      '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
      6spd.

      On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Dan Sample mtdansample@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


      Bill, I do respect your considerable knowledge in the field of motorhomes, but. . .

      Solar System Savings
      Solar panels
      Panels     2160 - 600  = 1560
      Mounts 4@50ea    750 - 200 = 550
      1 controller   258 - 129 = 129
      1 combiner box   160 - 80 = 80
      monitor nice, but not necessary  - 162
      Total Savings  $2481
      Total cost for 600 watt system $4150 - $2481 = $1669
      Looks like it isn't $2000!

      Dan Sample

      On Saturday, December 9, 2017, 3:30:35 AM PST, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:




      Well of course my friend, but anyone looking can disregard what does not apply. The point was to show all the potential costs and demonstrate that it was not "$2,000"

      Bill Edwards
      1999 Panther



      On Friday, December 8, 2017 12:03 AM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


       
      Bill,

      Just my humble opinion, but the batteries should not be included in the solar install cost, as our coaches still need the batteries with or without solar, and they already come with batteries anyway. In your case, you chose to add two more batteries to enhance the solar, so I suppose that you could include the cost of just the two additional batteries. This brings your solar install cost down to $4150.30 instead of the $4790.30

      John
      '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
      6spd.

      On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:55 PM, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


      Panels Carmanah 160 watt 6 @ 360                    $2,160    4 panels 1340  plust freight
      Trimetric SC 2030 charge controller  2 @129            258
      Trimetric 2030 monitor and shunt       1                      162.
      Trimetric wire harness 35 foot             1                       21
      Battery Temp sensor                           1                       14.50
      Bogart control cable                             1                      10.
      Bogart crossover kit                              1                      21.
      AM Solar combiner box                        2                     160.
      Fuse box/shut off  HD                          2                       71.80 
      Fuses                                                    6                        9.
      2/0 cable boots                                      2                        3.
      Dicor sealant                                         4                       28.
      Butal Tape                                             1                       13.
      # 4 AWG cable roof to chargers            2                       72.
      Renology connectors solar wire            2 pkgs              10.
      Solar #10 AWG  2 pkgs 30 & 50 ft        2                       55. 
      Solar mounts adjustable sets 125.        6                     750. 
      Batteries Crown 260 AMP hr                 6                     960. + core @ $20 per
      Two post terminal    Blue Sky                1                        12.
      Total                                                                       $  4,790.30 + postage/shipping




      In this system the charge controller would be maxed, one would be fine with 4 panels
      Dual fuse boxes are needed here as well another 35.90 saved and another 35 on # 4 AWG
      The mounts can be gotten for /in the 50 dollar range. These however are the slickest of the 
      group and turns out unavailable, now using 50 dollar ones
      Batteries can be gotten for less for sure but Crowns top of the heap
      But this is general idea.
      Buy all the small components from solarseller.com in Kingman, Arizona the least expensiv of all purveyors

      Bill Edwards 1999 panther










      Group: Safarifriends Message: 37865 From: TD Date: 3/11/2018
      Subject: Re: Fuel lines [was]: Dash Heater Hose(s) Replacement
      Rob,

      I did some searching on this group and did not find much as for as changing fuel lines. I did find a write up by a member of another group, its not exactly what you're looking for, but might give you an idea of what might be involved.

      Post: My Hurricane heater has been sucking air in the fuel for some time.
      Everything visible was fine. The hose disappeared up to the top of the
      diesel fuel tank. The leak gradually got worse, ultimately over-filling
      my 1gal air bleed can forcing us to do the work. My 30yr old son
      dropped in for a visit and graciously volunteered to help.

      We ran the tank "dry". Well, there was 15gal left in it, but as dry as
      possible. We put a 1/4" fuel line on the air bleeder valve of the
      Hurricane and used the Hurricane fuel pump to pump out as much as
      possible. Then my son used a 3/8" drive 7/16" allen wrench to pull the
      drain plug on the bottom of the tank while I held a large funnel with
      hose into a drain pan. Now it was easy to drop the tank down about 1'
      onto the axle and other cross beams at the same height.

      Note: Easy may be easy to say now that we're done. We used a floor
      jack, assorted 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 blocks, and a couple of longer 2x4 pry bars
      in the process of dropping it down.

      The tricky part was to then drop the 6 bolts from the chassis AC heat
      exchanger, tie it forward, and for me to convince my son to climb up in
      between the front leveling foot and the heat exchanger. That allowed him
      to see across the top of the tank and to work. There are two 2x2 square
      steel spacer tubes sitting on top of the tank allowing space for the
      right angle fittings and fuel lines. He could easily turn the front one
      length-wise with the coach. Then the challenge was to reach back,
      remove the hose clamp, and pull off the Hurricane 1/4" rubber fuel line,
      and hook up the new line. Watch out not to run it back over the 2x2
      spacer tube like we did. It smashed flat when we clamped the tank back
      in place meaning no fuel flow! :( Also be sure to check the fuel gauge
      leads on the driver side of the tank as you raise the tank. Missing
      this step means some cursing and frustrating work to hook the spade
      fittings back up.

      I ran the Hurricane fuel line from the fuel filter through a 4 - 6"
      piece of 1" PVC pipe to protect it from a sharp metal edge. My last
      step was to fill the PVC around the fuel line with regular "Great Stuff"
      foam sealant and insulation. Be careful not to rotate the 2x2 spacers
      as there are a couple "rubber bands" that should be down against the
      fuel tank. We had to drop it a second time the length of the strap
      bolts to work the hose around the end of the rear 2x2 spacer. That gave
      us around 2" for the rerouting of the line. Fortunately we didn't need
      to drop it down on the axle again as the tank was now fairly full of
      something under 600lb of fuel.

      After the second drop and cinching it back in place, I ran the main
      diesel, the diesel Onan, and the Hurricane heater for about 15min just
      to be sure.

      I couldn't have done it by myself. It really is a two man job.



      John
      '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
      6spd.

      On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 10:39 PM, Rob Lunday robsandfreak@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      I had inquired if anyone had replaced the fuel lines as mine are showing their age. I did not receive a response. I considered some other possibilities such as going to a hard line in between, but what are the chances this is going to see another 25 years? I noted the biggest concern was going to be getting the items out of the way to access the entire run or at least Access what can be accessed and how I was going to bribe someone skinny enough to fit in the basement and do it.

      ROB LUNDAY
      98 Serengeti ivory
      330 Cat



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 37928 From: TD Date: 3/22/2018
      Subject: Re: Battery voltage
      Jim,

      It is best to look on Trojan's website for that information. My info may be outdated, as manufacturers often change/tweak their numbers. Bulk charge is 14.4v absorb charge is 16.2, but that is likely too high for some of your 12v systems on your coach, so I would suggest 15.5v for absorb. It also states 4hrs maximum length in absorb charge. And depending on the type of charger you have (like solar) 13% overcharge. Float voltage is 13.5v. If you want your batteries to last long, try not to use more than 50% of your battery capacity. Your capacity is 450amp/hrs, so this would give your 225 usable amp/hrs.
      Measuring with voltage alone is not accurate, especially if you are doing serious boondocking and depending on the batteries all the time. You need a shunt based amp meter, that will measure every bit of energy coming in and out of the batteries. The Trimetric TM2030RV (made in US by Bogart Engineering) is an excellent example of a shunt based meter. It is easy to use and is very accurate. If you intend to install solar, the I would strongly recommend their SC2030 charge controller. The charge controller is designed to be able to work together with the meter adding a very effective 4th charging dimension. I have this setup, and it really exceeded my expectations. There are other meters like the one made by Victron, but they are made overseas and I have zero knowledge or experience with them. Go on Bogart's website, there you will find a lot of great information about both of their systems and more.

      One last note regarding voltage meters vs amperage meters. A voltage meter is like a fuel pressure gauge, when it drops you know you are out of fuel, but by that time it is too late, especially if you are trying not to go bellow the 50% mark. An amperage gauge is like a very accurate fuel gauge, you know exactly how full your tank is, how much you added and how much you consumed. For what you have invested in your batteries, a Trimetric is a very small price to pay, and a peace of mend too. In my humble opinion, every RV should have one, regardless if they have solar or not.

      John
      '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
      6spd.

      On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 11:46 PM, James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


      Hi Safari friends,

      I have a voltage Question. I just installed 4 Trojan 105 6 volt batteries. The Batteries are wired to produce 12 Volts.

      My Question is what is the full charge voltage supposed to be?

      How far can you draw down the voltage on the Trojan 105's with out damaging them?

      Is there anyway to keep track of the amperage load in the batteries?

      I know these questions have been discussed before but I can't  find that information.

      Thanks to all my Safari friends for your input in advance.

      Jim and Kathy
      1999 Safari Continental
      425 Panther with a
      2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee
      in tow.









      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41164 From: burch1945 Date: 3/31/2019
      Subject: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel

      I just had an interesting but unpleasant experience running out of diesel fuel on my 96 Sahara. We were traveling through the North Georgia Mountains up to the Riverbend Campground just out of Clayton Georgia. My diesel fuel gauge said I had 1/4 tank of diesel fuel. Considering I had just replaced both the sending unit and the gauge and it should be accurate I figured that would be sufficient. However I noticed the unit slowing down significantly going up the longer hills and finally on one Hill 10 mi from the campground it stopped in the middle of the road and the engine was running rough and shut off. It would not restart. I went back to the fuel priming pump and a couple of pumps on it and I knew right away it was pumping air. Fortunately I had friends already at the campground and I called and asked them to bring me 10 gallons of fuel. Pick up two cans and fill them with diesel and don't worry about the price. I put out my roadside warning signs as I was in the middle of the road and could not not move the coach. About that time a sheriff's deputy drove up and provided traffic support. I explained the problem to him and he said he would allow me enough time to put diesel in it and see if that was the problem. If not and I did not move it he would call a wrecker and move it. He was cooperative and helpful and I can understand the concern in getting it out of the middle of the road. When I put 10 gallons of diesel fuel in it and primed the pump the engine started and was able to move on first for a complete fill up then to the campground. I am thinking why would it run out of diesel fuel with 1/4 of a tank. Perhaps my gauge is off a little bit but  as I mentioned above the gauge and sending unit are brand new. Perhaps all of the diesel fuel ran to one side of the tank in going up the Steep Hill? I wonder how high up in the tank the pickup tube is and how many residual gallons are left in the tank when the pick up tube ceases to pick up ???  Is the pickup tube located on the front or back or middle of the tank? From working on the tank last year, I don't remember where the pickup tube is located.
      The only good thing that came out of it is that I have done enough work on the coach that I knew how to diagnose and fix the problem without having to have it towed to a shop somewhere.
      Joe Burch
      1996 Sahara
      3126 Cat

      Sent from my Sprint Tablet.
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41206 From: Gary Smith Date: 4/1/2019
      Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel
      Joe,
      The tank in up front, I would suspect, and the engine is in the rear.  The fuel pump is physically mounted to the engine.  According to our retired Cat Mechanic expert (Dave Atherton), the pump was rated by Cat to move fuel from up to 15 feet away.  Every Safari I know of with the 3126 Cat engine has the tank quite a bit further away than that.  I would suspect you have the original pump.  Seems to be working fine for me, but I have a short coach,   Don't remember any owner complaints related to adequacy of the pump, even in coaches way longer than mine.

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:21 AM burch1945 <burch1945@...> wrote:
      Gary, thanks for the info. I will take a look at the Silver Leaf specs and decide what to do. I am curious as to how the fuel gets from the tank in the rear up to the front. Is there an electric fuel pump inside the tank or is that a mechanical pump on the side of the engine just how does that operate? I think I should know this just for my own benefit in case I have another problem.
       Thanks 
      Joe Burch 
      1996 Sahara
      3126 cat



      Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

      -------- Original message --------
      From: Gary Smith <trekker01@...>
      Date: 3/31/19 1:13 PM (GMT-05:00)
      Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel

      Joe,
      Glad you got the coach going again so cheaply.  Now, I believe you have a 90 gallon tank?  How many gallons did it take to fill it when you got to a pump? 

      The fuel sending unit in my Sahara has not worked for much of it's life, and the previous owner (and Safari) believed it was a bad gauge.  I have two working gauges compliments of SMC/Monaco, neither of which are getting a signal from the tank, so one is a spare and the other simply keeps the instrument panel from having a 2" hole in it.  I use VMSpc to monitor the engine, and have found the readings for fuel usage (Silverleaf calls it a Tank Minder) to be within a half gallon after 500 miles of driving.  I would not pay any attention to the instrument panel fuel gauge it it did work, at this point.  Also have determined that the remaining "working" gauges are not accurate either, so temperatures, speed, tach, voltage, are no longer used either, as they are so inaccurate as to be worthless.

      I generally try to drive on the top half of the tank, always having plenty of remaining fuel when I stop for fuel, and with a 700+ mile range, can be picky about where I fuel up on long trips.  Also fill the tank upon return home so it sits with a full tank. 

      Have you considered the Silverleaf system?

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      --
      Gary Smith


      --
      Gary Smith
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41225 From: Craig Burrell Date: 4/1/2019
      Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel
      can you add a silver leaf to an mech. cummins eng?  i have the 93 cont. with 8.3. if not does anyone know of a system that might work. thanks

      On Monday, April 1, 2019, 11:14:33 AM CDT, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


       

      Joe,
      The tank in up front, I would suspect, and the engine is in the rear.  The fuel pump is physically mounted to the engine.  According to our retired Cat Mechanic expert (Dave Atherton), the pump was rated by Cat to move fuel from up to 15 feet away.  Every Safari I know of with the 3126 Cat engine has the tank quite a bit further away than that.  I would suspect you have the original pump.  Seems to be working fine for me, but I have a short coach,   Don't remember any owner complaints related to adequacy of the pump, even in coaches way longer than mine.

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:21 AM burch1945 <burch1945@...> wrote:
      Gary, thanks for the info. I will take a look at the Silver Leaf specs and decide what to do. I am curious as to how the fuel gets from the tank in the rear up to the front. Is there an electric fuel pump inside the tank or is that a mechanical pump on the side of the engine just how does that operate? I think I should know this just for my own benefit in case I have another problem.
       Thanks 
      Joe Burch 
      1996 Sahara
      3126 cat



      Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

      -------- Original message --------
      From: Gary Smith <trekker01@...>
      Date: 3/31/19 1:13 PM (GMT-05:00)
      Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel

      Joe,
      Glad you got the coach going again so cheaply.  Now, I believe you have a 90 gallon tank?  How many gallons did it take to fill it when you got to a pump? 

      The fuel sending unit in my Sahara has not worked for much of it's life, and the previous owner (and Safari) believed it was a bad gauge.  I have two working gauges compliments of SMC/Monaco, neither of which are getting a signal from the tank, so one is a spare and the other simply keeps the instrument panel from having a 2" hole in it.  I use VMSpc to monitor the engine, and have found the readings for fuel usage (Silverleaf calls it a Tank Minder) to be within a half gallon after 500 miles of driving.  I would not pay any attention to the instrument panel fuel gauge it it did work, at this point.  Also have determined that the remaining "working" gauges are not accurate either, so temperatures, speed, tach, voltage, are no longer used either, as they are so inaccurate as to be worthless.

      I generally try to drive on the top half of the tank, always having plenty of remaining fuel when I stop for fuel, and with a 700+ mile range, can be picky about where I fuel up on long trips.  Also fill the tank upon return home so it sits with a full tank. 

      Have you considered the Silverleaf system?

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      --
      Gary Smith


      --
      Gary Smith
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41226 From: Gary Smith Date: 4/1/2019
      Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel
      Sorry, Craig.  Silverleaf won't work for your engine.

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:09 PM Craig Burrell technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      can you add a silver leaf to an mech. cummins eng?  i have the 93 cont. with 8.3. if not does anyone know of a system that might work. thanks

      On Monday, April 1, 2019, 11:14:33 AM CDT, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


       

      Joe,
      The tank in up front, I would suspect, and the engine is in the rear.  The fuel pump is physically mounted to the engine.  According to our retired Cat Mechanic expert (Dave Atherton), the pump was rated by Cat to move fuel from up to 15 feet away.  Every Safari I know of with the 3126 Cat engine has the tank quite a bit further away than that.  I would suspect you have the original pump.  Seems to be working fine for me, but I have a short coach,   Don't remember any owner complaints related to adequacy of the pump, even in coaches way longer than mine.

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:21 AM burch1945 <burch1945@...> wrote:
      Gary, thanks for the info. I will take a look at the Silver Leaf specs and decide what to do. I am curious as to how the fuel gets from the tank in the rear up to the front. Is there an electric fuel pump inside the tank or is that a mechanical pump on the side of the engine just how does that operate? I think I should know this just for my own benefit in case I have another problem.
       Thanks 
      Joe Burch 
      1996 Sahara
      3126 cat



      Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

      -------- Original message --------
      From: Gary Smith <trekker01@...>
      Date: 3/31/19 1:13 PM (GMT-05:00)
      Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel

      Joe,
      Glad you got the coach going again so cheaply.  Now, I believe you have a 90 gallon tank?  How many gallons did it take to fill it when you got to a pump? 

      The fuel sending unit in my Sahara has not worked for much of it's life, and the previous owner (and Safari) believed it was a bad gauge.  I have two working gauges compliments of SMC/Monaco, neither of which are getting a signal from the tank, so one is a spare and the other simply keeps the instrument panel from having a 2" hole in it.  I use VMSpc to monitor the engine, and have found the readings for fuel usage (Silverleaf calls it a Tank Minder) to be within a half gallon after 500 miles of driving.  I would not pay any attention to the instrument panel fuel gauge it it did work, at this point.  Also have determined that the remaining "working" gauges are not accurate either, so temperatures, speed, tach, voltage, are no longer used either, as they are so inaccurate as to be worthless.

      I generally try to drive on the top half of the tank, always having plenty of remaining fuel when I stop for fuel, and with a 700+ mile range, can be picky about where I fuel up on long trips.  Also fill the tank upon return home so it sits with a full tank. 

      Have you considered the Silverleaf system?

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      --
      Gary Smith


      --
      Gary Smith



      --
      Gary Smith
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41227 From: technolog1 Date: 4/1/2019
      Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel
      Did not think so. Thanks



      Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

      -------- Original message --------
      From: "Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: 4/1/19 7:16 PM (GMT-06:00)
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: burch1945 <burch1945@...>
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel

       

      Sorry, Craig.  Silverleaf won't work for your engine.

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:09 PM Craig Burrell technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      can you add a silver leaf to an mech. cummins eng?  i have the 93 cont. with 8.3. if not does anyone know of a system that might work. thanks

      On Monday, April 1, 2019, 11:14:33 AM CDT, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


       

      Joe,
      The tank in up front, I would suspect, and the engine is in the rear.  The fuel pump is physically mounted to the engine.  According to our retired Cat Mechanic expert (Dave Atherton), the pump was rated by Cat to move fuel from up to 15 feet away.  Every Safari I know of with the 3126 Cat engine has the tank quite a bit further away than that.  I would suspect you have the original pump.  Seems to be working fine for me, but I have a short coach,   Don't remember any owner complaints related to adequacy of the pump, even in coaches way longer than mine.

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:21 AM burch1945 <burch1945@...> wrote:
      Gary, thanks for the info. I will take a look at the Silver Leaf specs and decide what to do. I am curious as to how the fuel gets from the tank in the rear up to the front. Is there an electric fuel pump inside the tank or is that a mechanical pump on the side of the engine just how does that operate? I think I should know this just for my own benefit in case I have another problem.
       Thanks 
      Joe Burch 
      1996 Sahara
      3126 cat



      Sent from my Sprint Tablet.

      -------- Original message --------
      From: Gary Smith <trekker01@...>
      Date: 3/31/19 1:13 PM (GMT-05:00)
      Subject: Re: Location of diesel fuel pickup tube/ ran out of diesel

      Joe,
      Glad you got the coach going again so cheaply.  Now, I believe you have a 90 gallon tank?  How many gallons did it take to fill it when you got to a pump? 

      The fuel sending unit in my Sahara has not worked for much of it's life, and the previous owner (and Safari) believed it was a bad gauge.  I have two working gauges compliments of SMC/Monaco, neither of which are getting a signal from the tank, so one is a spare and the other simply keeps the instrument panel from having a 2" hole in it..  I use VMSpc to monitor the engine, and have found the readings for fuel usage (Silverleaf calls it a Tank Minder) to be within a half gallon after 500 miles of driving.  I would not pay any attention to the instrument panel fuel gauge it it did work, at this point.  Also have determined that the remaining "working" gauges are not accurate either, so temperatures, speed, tach, voltage, are no longer used either, as they are so inaccurate as to be worthless.

      I generally try to drive on the top half of the tank, always having plenty of remaining fuel when I stop for fuel, and with a 700+ mile range, can be picky about where I fuel up on long trips.  Also fill the tank upon return home so it sits with a full tank. 

      Have you considered the Silverleaf system?

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

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      Gary Smith


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41468 From: trunnellfamily Date: 5/5/2019
      Subject: 1996 Serengeti Cruise works, Speedometer does not.

      I am trying to figure out why the speedometer would quit working, but the tachometer and cruise remain functional. I just bought this 1996 to restore. It was already in excellent shape, but has quite a few electrical gremlins in it.

      I have already repaired the fridge. All but one light now works. The 12v in the living room area is still dead. I am trying to figure that out as well. The fuel gauge is also dead. If I can get these three working, I believe I will have the electrical system right enough to start upgrades.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41470 From: Gary Smith Date: 5/5/2019
      Subject: Re: 1996 Serengeti Cruise works, Speedometer does not.
      To attack one of your issues, the living room light not working, you have a bank of several switches over your entry door (or nearby).  One of them is labeled INT (INTerior light).  Turn it on, then change the switch position on the light that is not working.  That may fix the problem.  If the switch on the light is OFF, the INT switch does nothing.  If the INT switch is OFF, the switch on the light does nothing.  The INT switch should be next to your STEP and PORCH switches.

      The fuel gauge issue is likely either the sending unit in the tank or a break in the wire running from the tank to the gauge.  Mine has not worked for many years, and the factory replaced the gauge, which did nothing.  Both the replacement and original gauges are good, but can't operate without a signal.  I use  VMSpc as my fuel gauge.  Shows how much has been used, how much is left, and how far I can go until empty, and is accurate to with a 1/2 gallon over 500 miles.  Your CAT ECM keeps track of fuel consumption.

      The speedometer is electronic, and probably has a disconnection in wiring.  Mine works, but I also get tach and speedo numbers (as well as HP and Torque and many other things not on your gauges) from the ECM via the VMSpc,  My only non-working gauge is the fuel, but other working gauges are so inaccurate as to be criminal, especially temperatures. 

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT



      On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 8:52 AM trunnellfamily@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      I am trying to figure out why the speedometer would quit working, but the tachometer and cruise remain functional. I just bought this 1996 to restore. It was already in excellent shape, but has quite a few electrical gremlins in it.

      I have already repaired the fridge. All but one light now works. The 12v in the living room area is still dead. I am trying to figure that out as well. The fuel gauge is also dead. If I can get these three working, I believe I will have the electrical system right enough to start upgrades.



      --
      Gary Smith
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41471 From: mel96safari Date: 5/5/2019
      Subject: Dead 12V in living room area (was: 1996 Serengeti Cruise works, Spee
      <trunnellfamily@...>
      Be aware that in some Safari coaches the ceiling lights in the living room area are controlled by a switch over the entry door AND by a switch on each fixture.
      Mel
      '96 Sahara


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <trunnellfamily@...> wrote :

      I am trying to figure out why the speedometer would quit working, but the tachometer and cruise remain functional. I just bought this 1996 to restore. It was already in excellent shape, but has quite a few electrical gremlins in it.

      I have already repaired the fridge. All but one light now works. The 12v in the living room area is still dead. I am trying to figure that out as well. The fuel gauge is also dead. If I can get these three working, I believe I will have the electrical system right enough to start upgrades.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41481 From: Jerame Trunnell Date: 5/6/2019
      Subject: Re: Dead 12V in living room area (was: 1996 Serengeti Cruise works,
      Thank you. That solved the living area lighting. It is now upgraded to LED for efficiency.

      On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 1:49:35 PM EDT, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


       

      <trunnellfamily@...>
      Be aware that in some Safari coaches the ceiling lights in the living room area are controlled by a switch over the entry door AND by a switch on each fixture.
      Mel
      '96 Sahara


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <trunnellfamily@...> wrote :

      I am trying to figure out why the speedometer would quit working, but the tachometer and cruise remain functional. I just bought this 1996 to restore. It was already in excellent shape, but has quite a few electrical gremlins in it.

      I have already repaired the fridge. All but one light now works. The 12v in the living room area is still dead. I am trying to figure that out as well. The fuel gauge is also dead. If I can get these three working, I believe I will have the electrical system right enough to start upgrades.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41483 From: ondaflore Date: 5/6/2019
      Subject: Re: 1996 Serengeti Cruise works, Speedometer does not.
      Jerame,

      Regarding the fuel gauge,  My gauge pegged hard full a couple of times after fiddling in the electrical bay and under the dash on an unrelated problem.  After tracing and ohming out the line from the sender and finding no problem, I happened to bump the face of the gauge and the needle fell back to 1/2 tank, where it belonged.  When the intermittent short (or probably open) occurred it pegged the needle so hard that it stuck.  Try thumping the gauge.  It's free and only takes a second.  Mine has needed a thump twice in the past three years.

      Do us a favor and sign your posts with name or nickname, year and model coach and your engine.  I am guessing you have a CAT, but not knowing for sure, I won't spend the time to tell you what I might know about your speedometer.

      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar
      3126B CAT 330 HP


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <trunnellfamily@...> wrote :

      I am trying to figure out why the speedometer would quit working, but the tachometer and cruise remain functional. I just bought this 1996 to restore. It was already in excellent shape, but has quite a few electrical gremlins in it.

      I have already repaired the fridge. All but one light now works. The 12v in the living room area is still dead. I am trying to figure that out as well. The fuel gauge is also dead. If I can get these three working, I believe I will have the electrical system right enough to start upgrades.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 42508 From: jumpnjoe59 Date: 8/2/2019
      Subject: Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
      Last week my fuel gauge went from working to now the needle goes hard right (last full). I have searched Google and found what appears to be good direction https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27307244/print/true.cfm . My issue is I can't find the sending unit wire. I follow the diesel supply to a large tank under the front of the RV. Crawled around underneath and have been unsuccessful in finding any wiring. Believe I should be checking for an open circuit just can't find the wiring to check. If it is the sending unit...does the tank need to be dropped? Does anyone know the part number?

      Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550, 3126b, 6 spd Ally
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 42511 From: burch1945 Date: 8/2/2019
      Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
      Joe, I have a 1996 Sahara and in order to get to the sending unit it is necessary to drop the tank. At least it was on mine. It's a pain in the butt and you need to get someone to help you. you cannot do it by yourself. It took 2 of us all day long to drain the tank, install a new sending unit, install a new gauge and put about 55 gallons of diesel fuel back into the tank. If you need to call me to discuss it please call (904) 318-7714 and I'll help you if I can. 

      Joe Burch 
      1996 sahara, 
      3126 cat



      Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.

      -------- Original message --------
      From: "jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: 8/2/19 10:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly

       

      Last week my fuel gauge went from working to now the needle goes hard right (last full). I have searched Google and found what appears to be good direction https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27307244/print/true.cfm . My issue is I can't find the sending unit wire. I follow the diesel supply to a large tank under the front of the RV. Crawled around underneath and have been unsuccessful in finding any wiring. Believe I should be checking for an open circuit just can't find the wiring to check. If it is the sending unit...does the tank need to be dropped? Does anyone know the part number?

      Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550, 3126b, 6 spd Ally

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 42512 From: bilmac36 Date: 8/2/2019
      Subject: Re: Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
      Joe, 
      Due to a gauge issue I had on mine way back when I’m wondering have you been able to test the gauge? I’m assuming it is an analog gauge and not digital. If you have access to the back of the gauge then I would pull the leads (marking where they go) and test it first. Sounds as if it may be the easiest and quickest to ck. On my Continental one merely removes the back cover of the instrument cluster to gain access.

      If you can gain access and once you remove the leads note what the gauge does. If memory serves correct a hard ground will send the analog gauges to far right. Pls double ck the web for testing analog gauges.’ But believe I am correct.

      This should help identify if a faulty gauge.
      R/
      Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Aug 2, 2019, at 10:29 AM, burch1945 burch1945@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Joe, I have a 1996 Sahara and in order to get to the sending unit it is necessary to drop the tank. At least it was on mine. It's a pain in the butt and you need to get someone to help you. you cannot do it by yourself. It took 2 of us all day long to drain the tank, install a new sending unit, install a new gauge and put about 55 gallons of diesel fuel back into the tank. If you need to call me to discuss it please call (904) 318-7714 and I'll help you if I can. 

      Joe Burch 
      1996 sahara, 
      3126 cat



      Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.

      -------- Original message --------
      Date: 8/2/19 10:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly

       

      Last week my fuel gauge went from working to now the needle goes hard right (last full). I have searched Google and found what appears to be good direction https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27307244/print/true.cfm . My issue is I can't find the sending unit wire. I follow the diesel supply to a large tank under the front of the RV. Crawled around underneath and have been unsuccessful in finding any wiring. Believe I should be checking for an open circuit just can't find the wiring to check. If it is the sending unit...does the tank need to be dropped? Does anyone know the part number?

      Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550, 3126b, 6 spd Ally

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 42558 From: Joe George Date: 8/3/2019
      Subject: Re: Digest Number 5769
      Thanks to all for the troubleshooting suggestions.  I have tried the tapping the gauge to see if the needle was stuck...no luck.   Will try checking the ground next.  Unfortunately the DW and I were heading out for a 3 day trip and I lost turbo.  So now my priorities have changed.  I will be learning how to replace the turbo for now.  Will get back to the fuel gauge issue after the season ends here in Utah (November?)

      On Friday, August 2, 2019, 07:21:18 PM MDT, <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


      12 Messages

      Digest #5769

      Messages

      Fri Aug 2, 2019 4:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      "Joe Burch" burch1945

      If I do not start my cat engine in 3 or 4 weeks or more, the engine will stumble , run rough, for 3 or 4 seconds upon start up unless I pump the manual fuel pump.  The fuel is clean and the filters are good/clean.   Is there a check valve or seal somewhere that I need to replace??
      regards,Joe Burch1996 Sahara3126 CatSt Augustine, Fl

      Fri Aug 2, 2019 5:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      "James Exler" jimexler

      Joe,

      Attached is a PDF on the HEUI fuel system. This gives a very good explanation of the workings of the components.

      Two check valves combine to maintain a fuel supply in the fuel supply rail drilled in the head.

      One is in the transfer pump and the other is at the rear of the head and maintains a constant pressure on the fuel rail. Each is there to prevent fuel from draining back to the tank.

      This is only a guess but if the rail drains, it could take a few seconds to pressurize it.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 8/2/2019 5:53 AM, Joe Burch burch1945@...<mailto:burch1945@...> [Safarifriends] wrote:

      If I do not start my cat engine in 3 or 4 weeks or more, the engine will stumble , run rough, for 3 or 4 seconds upon start up unless I pump the manual fuel pump. The fuel is clean and the filters are good/clean. Is there a check valve or seal somewhere that I need to replace??

      regards,
      Joe Burch
      1996 Sahara
      3126 Cat
      St Augustine, Fl


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      Fri Aug 2, 2019 7:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      jumpnjoe59

      Last week my fuel gauge went from working to now the needle goes hard right (last full). I have searched Google and found what appears to be good direction https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27307244/print/true.cfm . My issue is I can't find the sending unit wire. I follow the diesel supply to a large tank under the front of the RV.. Crawled around underneath and have been unsuccessful in finding any wiring. Believe I should be checking for an open circuit just can't find the wiring to check. If it is the sending unit...does the tank need to be dropped? Does anyone know the part number?

      Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550, 3126b, 6 spd Ally

      Fri Aug 2, 2019 8:29 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      "burch1945" burch1945

      Joe, I have a 1996 Sahara and in order to get to the sending unit it is necessary to drop the tank. At least it was on mine. It's a pain in the butt and you need to get someone to help you. you cannot do it by yourself. It took 2 of us all day long to drain the tank, install a new sending unit, install a new gauge and put about 55 gallons of diesel fuel back into the tank. If you need to call me to discuss it please call (904) 318-7714 and I'll help you if I can. Joe Burch 1996 sahara, 3126 catSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.
      -------- Original message --------From: "jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> Date: 8/2/19 10:01 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Safarifriends] Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
       

      Last week my fuel gauge went from working to now the needle goes hard right (last full). I have searched Google and found what appears to be good direction https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27307244/print/true.cfm . My issue is I can't find the sending unit wire. I follow the diesel supply to a large tank under the front of the RV. Crawled around underneath and have been unsuccessful in finding any wiring. Believe I should be checking for an open circuit just can't find the wiring to check. If it is the sending unit...does the tank need to be dropped? Does anyone know the part number?

      Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550, 3126b, 6 spd Ally

      Fri Aug 2, 2019 9:46 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      "bilmac36" bilmac36

      Joe,
      Due to a gauge issue I had on mine way back when I’m wondering have you been able to test the gauge? I’m assuming it is an analog gauge and not digital. If you have access to the back of the gauge then I would pull the leads (marking where they go) and test it first. Sounds as if it may be the easiest and quickest to ck. On my Continental one merely removes the back cover of the instrument cluster to gain access.

      If you can gain access and once you remove the leads note what the gauge does. If memory serves correct a hard ground will send the analog gauges to far right. Pls double ck the web for testing analog gauges.’ But believe I am correct.

      This should help identify if a faulty gauge.
      R/
      Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd

      Sent from my iPhone

      > On Aug 2, 2019, at 10:29 AM, burch1945 burch1945@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      >
      > Joe, I have a 1996 Sahara and in order to get to the sending unit it is necessary to drop the tank. At least it was on mine. It's a pain in the butt and you need to get someone to help you. you cannot do it by yourself. It took 2 of us all day long to drain the tank, install a new sending unit, install a new gauge and put about 55 gallons of diesel fuel back into the tank. If you need to call me to discuss it please call (904) 318-7714 and I'll help you if I can.
      >
      > Joe Burch
      > 1996 sahara,
      > 3126 cat
      >
      >
      >
      > Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.
      >
      > -------- Original message --------
      > From: "jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      > Date: 8/2/19 10:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
      > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [Safarifriends] Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
      >
      >
      > Last week my fuel gauge went from working to now the needle goes hard right (last full). I have searched Google and found what appears to be good direction https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27307244/print/true.cfm . My issue is I can't find the sending unit wire. I follow the diesel supply to a large tank under the front of the RV. Crawled around underneath and have been unsuccessful in finding any wiring. Believe I should be checking for an open circuit just can't find the wiring to check. If it is the sending unit...does the tank need to be dropped? Does anyone know the part number?
      >
      > Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550, 3126b, 6 spd Ally
      >
      >

      Fri Aug 2, 2019 10:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      "Rollin'" ondaflore

      Actually an open circuit will peg the gauge.  Long story short, I traced the line on my gauge when it pegged and showed continuity all the way to the sender.  I began to remove the gauge from the dash for further testing and the needle moved off of full++.  It was literally stuck.  Apparently if the gauge is reading below half a tank and you experience a momentary open circuit, the needle can move to "Full" violently enough to get stuck there.  Quick cure: try thumping the glass on the gauge to see if it pops loose.  Mine has pegged a couple of times since then and a quick thump did the trick.
      On my 2001 Zanzibar, the sender is on the side of the tank on the driver's side.  There is a hole in the frame rail big enough to access the spade terminals on the sender.  If you run the front jack down and crawl under, you can ground the sender output and see if the gauge moves to "Empty" .  Ground the gauge with an alligator clip and get out from under there BEFORE you have a helper turn on the ignition and check the gauge.  You don't want them to lean out the window to give feedback and hit the "All Down" button on the jack control with their elbow while you are under there.  As me how I know...

      Bob2001 ZHuntsville AL
      Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

      Fri Aug 2, 2019 7:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      mel96safari

      Mark

      Because you have that "Cummings powered Ram and a Cat powered Safari", methinks you may have what is called the "best of both worlds", (aka: "a win-win").
      :-)

      Mel
      '96 Safari



      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@ ...> wrote :

      I’m really between a rock and a hard place on this. I have a Cummings powered Ram and a Cat powered Safari.

      Mark
      1999 Safari 32’




      Fri Aug 2, 2019 8:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:

      "Mark Cushman" chvet73

      I can’t do anything but agree with that.

      Mark
      1999 Safari 32’
      2014 Ram 4x4 Diesel

      Sent from my iPhone

      > On Aug 2, 2019, at 7:31 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      >
      > Mark
      > Because you have that "Cummings powered Ram and a Cat powered Safari", methinks you may have what is called the "best of both worlds", (aka: "a win-win").
      > :-)
      > Mel
      > '96 Safari
      >
      >
      > ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@ ...> wrote :
      >
      > I’m really between a rock and a hard place on this. I have a Cummings powered Ram and a Cat powered Safari.
      >
      > Mark
      > 1999 Safari 32’
      >
      >
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