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Group: Safarifriends Message: 25193 From: Ronnie Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: Re: fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 25195 From: Rick Rheinlaender Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: Re: fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 25196 From: George Marsh Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: Re: fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 25198 From: ART Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: Re: fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 25299 From: George Marsh Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 25654 From: George Marsh Date: 7/2/2014
Subject: 1995 Serenegeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 25655 From: Fred Broussard Date: 7/2/2014
Subject: Re: 1995 Serenegeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27284 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27287 From: Dick Missett Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27291 From: John Clevenger Date: 12/25/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27316 From: Dick Missett Date: 12/26/2014
Subject: Re: Furnace problem (was: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forev
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27318 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/27/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27322 From: Lorne Shantz Date: 12/27/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27326 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27328 From: Lorne Shantz Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27329 From: DOUGLAS BRANCH Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27330 From: Herb Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27486 From: art5617 Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27487 From: Richard Missett Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: Re: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27562 From: j_r_ruff Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27563 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27566 From: ART Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27567 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27569 From: ART Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27572 From: Ronnie Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27577 From: Conny Culver Date: 2/20/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27830 From: Ronnie Gravitt Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27834 From: Tommy D Galloway Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28599 From: daveg Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: We dropped the fuel tank
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28600 From: ART Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: We dropped the fuel tank
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29410 From: TheMopedWhiz Date: 11/23/2015
Subject: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29412 From: TD Date: 11/23/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29413 From: Bridget and Gerald Date: 11/23/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29420 From: ART Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29424 From: Jim Exler Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Gauge console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29439 From: babygreatlakes Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29441 From: Ken Wethington Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29447 From: Gerald Larsen Date: 11/25/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29450 From: Jim Exler Date: 11/26/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Gauge console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29569 From: TheMopedWhiz Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29570 From: mel96safari Date: 12/20/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30376 From: kagzel777 Date: 5/15/2016
Subject: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30378 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 5/15/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30382 From: Dale Maggio Date: 5/15/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30387 From: ART Date: 5/15/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30390 From: Keith Bowers Date: 5/16/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30409 From: kagzel777 Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30411 From: kagzel777 Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30416 From: kagzel777 Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30421 From: Fritz Schooley Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti



Group: Safarifriends Message: 25193 From: Ronnie Date: 5/24/2014
Subject: Re: fuel gauge

I don’t have a clue on your model. I would crawl under the coach by the tank and see if you can get your hands on top of the tank. It might be easy and you might have to remove the screws in the blind. You might have to drop the tank to get it out. As I said before, check the wires (if possible) for corrosion problems  before removing the sender. Find the wires (should be only a hot and a ground, maybe three wire,s one into the sender, one out and the ground) going to the sender and determine which is ground by following it to where it screws onto the chassis as a first step. If it is making a good ground check where they attach to the sender for problems. You also should search the group archives as there was a long discussion about this a couple of years ago. Sorry I can’t be more helpful.

Ron Gravitt

98 Serengeti

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:22 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] fuel gauge

 

 

Need to know how to get to the top of the tank without tank removable would be nice if you can help thanks George 

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:26 PM, "Ronnie beech50@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

The sending unit is in the fuel tank. Not familiar with your tank but most of them are inserted through the top of the tank. Check the wire connections and the ground before pulling the sensor.

Ron

98 Serengeti

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:20 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] fuel gauge

 

 

Need some help with fuel gauge not working checked fuse it is fine need to know where sensor is because it don't seem to be the gauge this 1995 Safari Serengeti diesel pusher 8.3 thanks George       

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 25195 From: Rick Rheinlaender Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: Re: fuel gauge
The fuel gage sending unit does not have a hot wire to it  it has a ground wire and a wire that sends the signal to the gauge which is read in ohms the most common is  0 to 30 ohms but could be different    The best bet is to ck ohms at the sending unit  and make sure you have a good ground

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On May 23, 2014, at 4:28 PM, "Ronnie beech50@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I don’t have a clue on your model. I would crawl under the coach by the tank and see if you can get your hands on top of the tank. It might be easy and you might have to remove the screws in the blind. You might have to drop the tank to get it out. As I said before, check the wires (if possible) for corrosion problems  before removing the sender. Find the wires (should be only a hot and a ground, maybe three wire,s one into the sender, one out and the ground) going to the sender and determine which is ground by following it to where it screws onto the chassis as a first step. If it is making a good ground check where they attach to the sender for problems. You also should search the group archives as there was a long discussion about this a couple of years ago. Sorry I can’t be more helpful.

Ron Gravitt

98 Serengeti

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:22 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] fuel gauge

 

 

Need to know how to get to the top of the tank without tank removable would be nice if you can help thanks George 

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:26 PM, "Ronnie beech50@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

The sending unit is in the fuel tank. Not familiar with your tank but most of them are inserted through the top of the tank. Check the wire connections and the ground before pulling the sensor.

Ron

98 Serengeti

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:20 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] fuel gauge

 

 

Need some help with fuel gauge not working checked fuse it is fine need to know where sensor is because it don't seem to be the gauge this 1995 Safari Serengeti diesel pusher 8.3 thanks George       

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 25196 From: George Marsh Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: Re: fuel gauge
Thanks for the info hope to fix my problem no gauge is no fun thanks again George


On Friday, May 23, 2014 2:28 PM, "Ronnie beech50@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I don’t have a clue on your model. I would crawl under the coach by the tank and see if you can get your hands on top of the tank. It might be easy and you might have to remove the screws in the blind. You might have to drop the tank to get it out. As I said before, check the wires (if possible) for corrosion problems  before removing the sender. Find the wires (should be only a hot and a ground, maybe three wire,s one into the sender, one out and the ground) going to the sender and determine which is ground by following it to where it screws onto the chassis as a first step. If it is making a good ground check where they attach to the sender for problems. You also should search the group archives as there was a long discussion about this a couple of years ago. Sorry I can’t be more helpful.
Ron Gravitt
98 Serengeti
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:22 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] fuel gauge
 
 
Need to know how to get to the top of the tank without tank removable would be nice if you can help thanks George 
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:26 PM, "Ronnie beech50@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
The sending unit is in the fuel tank. Not familiar with your tank but most of them are inserted through the top of the tank. Check the wire connections and the ground before pulling the sensor.
Ron
98 Serengeti
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:20 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] fuel gauge
 
 
Need some help with fuel gauge not working checked fuse it is fine need to know where sensor is because it don't seem to be the gauge this 1995 Safari Serengeti diesel pusher 8.3 thanks George       
 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 25198 From: ART Date: 5/25/2014
Subject: Re: fuel gauge
Has anyone ever seen or touched the fuel level sender of the vintage Safaris.  It been discussed on this forum several times.  Mine has not worked for 6 years and I've sort of gotten used to it.  Using 8 mpg at fill-up, I jot down the est final reading.  When I get down to about 1/4 tank or less the gauge starts working.  I am NOT about to drop the tank.  Since my son will "inherit" the coach (whether he want to or not), I figure it's his problem.

If the sender is classical in that it's a variable resistance to ground, it's a one wire unit and probably flange mounted to the top of the tank.  If the flange is loose or the wire terminal is corroded, both could cause erratic grounding and thus the symptoms I have.  When the tank is full and the float is up, then the "force" closes the break and it functions as intended.  Of course, all of this is my mental picture of the problem and may not be correct.  I don't care at this point.  If however, someone comes up with a 10 minute fix and doesn't require me crawling under the coach.............I may reconsider.   *~X( at wits' end


Art
96 Seren


On Sunday, May 25, 2014 12:16 PM, "George Marsh marshgeorge19@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Thanks for the info hope to fix my problem no gauge is no fun thanks again George


On Friday, May 23, 2014 2:28 PM, "Ronnie beech50@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I don’t have a clue on your model. I would crawl under the coach by the tank and see if you can get your hands on top of the tank. It might be easy and you might have to remove the screws in the blind. You might have to drop the tank to get it out. As I said before, check the wires (if possible) for corrosion problems  before removing the sender. Find the wires (should be only a hot and a ground, maybe three wire,s one into the sender, one out and the ground) going to the sender and determine which is ground by following it to where it screws onto the chassis as a first step. If it is making a good ground check where they attach to the sender for problems. You also should search the group archives as there was a long discussion about this a couple of years ago. Sorry I can’t be more helpful.
Ron Gravitt
98 Serengeti
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 5:22 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] fuel gauge
 
 
Need to know how to get to the top of the tank without tank removable would be nice if you can help thanks George 
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:26 PM, "Ronnie beech50@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
The sending unit is in the fuel tank. Not familiar with your tank but most of them are inserted through the top of the tank. Check the wire connections and the ground before pulling the sensor.
Ron
98 Serengeti
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:20 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] fuel gauge
 
 
Need some help with fuel gauge not working checked fuse it is fine need to know where sensor is because it don't seem to be the gauge this 1995 Safari Serengeti diesel pusher 8.3 thanks George       
 




Group: Safarifriends Message: 25299 From: George Marsh Date: 6/2/2014
Subject: (no subject)
Sure wish I did because I have 1995 myself  but my fuel gauge is not working on mine
Group: Safarifriends Message: 25654 From: George Marsh Date: 7/2/2014
Subject: 1995 Serenegeti
Has anyone had there fuel gauge stop working 8.3 Cummins and what was the fix thanks George
 
Group: Safarifriends Message: 25655 From: Fred Broussard Date: 7/2/2014
Subject: Re: 1995 Serenegeti
My fuel gauge stopped working due to a loose wire connection on the gauge. Tightened it and all is well.
Fred
1999 Safari Continental 
(for sale)
126,000 miles
3126B CAT

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 2, 2014, at 12:22 PM, "George Marsh marshgeorge19@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Has anyone had there fuel gauge stop working 8.3 Cummins and what was the fix thanks George
 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27284 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
My '99 Sahara 30' has exactly the same gage problem. Been that way since maybe 40,000 miles, now have 114,000. It could probably be fixed if you could get to the location. In my case, that would mean dropping the front axle, then the tank. No way. My suggestion is to fill the tank, zero the odometer, drive it until it is as close to empty as you dare, read the odometer, and then fuel up by mileage instead of the gage. I think I have about 75 gal useful so I can do around 550 miles per fill. I bet he drove at 50 MPH to get that kind of mileage. We go some faster and pay for it, like 7-8 . I too, am an old, but not bold, pilot. Good training for motorhoming.


From: "Keith Bowers kebowers47@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:23:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

I recently purchased a 96 30' Sahara  300Hp CAT, 6sp.with only 112000 miles.  My wife , on first stepping in said "This thing looks new!  as if it has never been used."     It DOES look real real nice but with a few 'pimples'   The previous owner was extremely meticulous and gave me ALL the maintenance and repair tickets since NEW and ALL the fuel use, oil,filter, belts, etc change information.   I am flabbergasted---the oil has some 600 miles on it and is CLEAR, Transparent, as new.  I have never seen diesel oil so pretty.

His fuel and mileage logs show about 10MPG, towing the 2000 Saturn LC-1  (2 door) and full 'dry camping' equipment and even the kitchen sink in the basement. The front roof A/C (he said) just started vibrating and noisy  recently and he figures a mud-dauber built a nest on the fan throwing it out of balance. I can fix that.

My 'itch' is with the fuel tank gauge.  It pegs past full until down to about 60% according to his 'strapping log'  indicating Full at 60gal left.  The gauge then works OK, but reading high of course down to true empty.  I verified the break point at 60gal.

Does anyone know how to replace the sending unit in this tank?   I really am uncomfortable
with an unreliable fuel tank gauge.

 (BTW I am an ex Pilot and perhaps 'sensitive' about potentially running out of fuel.  Once had a  fuel tank instantly develop massive leak--dumped 40 gal in <10 seconds--mechanics replaced fuel level sensor day before, but did not safety wire nuts holding 4" diameter flange on the tank.  Permatex # 2 held for almost 3 hours, then popped loose..Airplane engines do NOT sputter when fuel runs out--they stop as if the ignition was shut off. My right eye picked up the moving fuel indicator needle so when fuel pressure dropped a few seconds later I knew what to do.

--
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.
 
-Winston Churchill-
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27287 From: Dick Missett Date: 12/24/2014
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Hi Keith
I am also blown away by those mpg numbers. I've owned my 98 single slide 30' Sahara for 8+ yrs and  7.8mpg is what it is. I have been challenged by a fellow friend Safari owner to adjust my speed and driving habits (usually around 65 mph towing a 2011 Honda CRV) in order to achieve something close to his 11 mpg (yea right)  in an older but longer coach with the same 3126 CAT. I made the effort on my trip south last year and was able to bring it up to 8mpg and (IMO) not worth the effort of keeping it at 55 to 60 mph. When I purchased my coach the previous owner (now deceased) told me verbally that he was getting 10mpg towing his Saturn SL1 station wagon. He was a fanatical record keeper and passed on all of his logs and maintenance records etc on to me. It turns out he was getting 7.8 to 8 mpg. I've reached the point in my life where it doesn't really matter and if I had to worry about the difference I would probably have to sell the coach. I hope you get as much enjoyment out of your coach as we have and continue to have but don't be disappointed if your mpg #'s were slightly embellished. I still have a hard time wrapping my arms my friends 11 mpg but as long as he believes it that's what counts. Merry Christmas, good luck with your coach and welcome to the fold.

Dick Missett
98 Sahara 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA

 



From: "Keith Bowers kebowers47@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

 
The well documented fuel economy numbers are :   Average speed 59.7 mph (by GPS), MPG =10.14.

--
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.
 
-Winston Churchill-


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27291 From: John Clevenger Date: 12/25/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge

I know mine is rpm driven and load - 1800 is the sweet spot for mine 3126, flat lands close to 10 hills 8 to 9. But when my son drives he likes 2000 to 2100 and we get 7.5 to 8. MPG is very dependent on the driver/load and a tuned motor. I found after I had my lash done (way out of spec) I got over 1.5 better too! Last long trip 8080 miles and 853 gals. When I pull my jeep 2500 lbs more I lose about 1.5 mpg too! Too many variables from rig to rig to get the same MPG so do not try to reason it out!  

 

But drive what you want and fill her up but have fun. JohnC

 

Have a Happy Holiday you’ll

 

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2005 TJ/Fusion/Honda

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:32 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

 

 

Dick
Over 30 years ago a friend, (who had already owned 7-8 motor homes), told me that anyone who claims he consistently gets more than 7 MPG with a gas coach.. and more than 9 MPG with a diesel.... either "doesn't know how to calculate mileage" or "is a LAIR".
I can honestly report that I got slightly more than 8.5 MPG. (8.5086) over the 108,781 miles I've driven my coach (because I've bought, and burned, 12,784 gal of diesel).
Mel
'96 Safari, 250 hp 3126 Cat
. (135,781 miles)



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dngmissett@...> wrote :

Hi Keith

I am also blown away by those mpg numbers. I've owned my 98 single slide 30' Sahara for 8+ yrs and  7.8mpg is what it is. I have been challenged by a fellow friend Safari owner to adjust my speed and driving habits (usually around 65 mph towing a 2011 Honda CRV) in order to achieve something close to his 11 mpg (yea right)  in an older but longe r coach with the same 3126 CAT. I made the effort on my trip south last year and was able to bring it up to 8mpg and (IMO) not worth the effort of keeping it at 55 to 60 mph. When I purchased my coach the previous owner (now deceased) told me verbally that he was getting 10mpg towing his Saturn SL1 station wagon. He was a fanatical record keeper and passed on all of his logs and maintenance records etc on to me. It turns out he was getting 7.8 to 8 mpg. I've reached the point in my life where it doesn't really matter and if I had to worry about the difference I would probably have to sell the coach. I hope you get as much enjoyment out of your coach as we have and continue to have but don't be disappointed if your mpg #'s were slightly embellished. I still have a hard time wrapping my arms my friends 11 mpg but as long as he believes it that 's what counts. Merry Christmas, good luck with your coach and welcome to the fold.

 

Dick Missett

98 Sahara 300 CAT

Wyoming, PA


 

 


 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27316 From: Dick Missett Date: 12/26/2014
Subject: Re: Furnace problem (was: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forev
Mel
I have absolutely NO experience with the furnace (yet LOL) but if the igniter works anything like the one on the fridge (?) I was having similar issues with the fridge not igniting or going out after a brief period of operation on LP. I started to dig into it and found a clump of crud on the end of the thermocouple. I scraped it off and viola it has not skipped a beat since. May have nothing to do with your issue but may be worth a look (?)   As an aside I also had a similar issue with my home (Natural Gas) fireplace that would operate for a brief period and then shut down (including the pilot)
I blew the gas valve out with compressed air and viola again , problem solved. Good Luck ( but it sounds like you need to head further south :)

Dick Missett
98 Sahara 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA

 



From: "rob shelton rrshelton2@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Furnace problem (was: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

 
could it be your sail switch. If it doesn't open as it should when the blower is running, it will not fire, or open the gas solenoid. The sequence has to be completed. Since it works sometimes, I would suspect a loose connection to the sail switch, or gas valve. Try pulling off the connections, i.e. spade connections, scraping them clean, possibly wd 40 or Vaseline on them helps. Remember the blower comes on first to clear the chambers of unwanted or escaping gas, it opens the sail switch so the unit knows the blower is working, then valve opens and the igniter fires. After three attempts it will go off. Then usually tries again after a minute. make sure you have gas open. I do think it is a bad connection in the furnace. Igniters go bad and thermocouples also if it has a standing pilot. good luck. rob


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27318 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/27/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
That is a good book. I keep trying to figure out why I get 7-71/2 MPG when everybody does better. After reading the book I'm thinking it might be because the coach has a 7 blade high volume fan. I got it from the factory way back and it sure helps in our hot weather, especially when I pull the 9000# boat to Mexico. Might use 70 or more HP?


From: "bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:15:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

The document by Caterpillar Corp does an excellent job of discussing factors influencing performance as well as MPG.  It applies to all heavy vehicles, irrespective of engine brand:

 http://www.rvtechlibrary.com/engine/Cat_RV_Performance.pdf
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27322 From: Lorne Shantz Date: 12/27/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
Can you get a clutch for it? That would really help!

Lorne

On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, 'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


That is a good book. I keep trying to figure out why I get 7-71/2 MPG when everybody does better. After reading the book I'm thinking it might be because the coach has a 7 blade high volume fan. I got it from the factory way back and it sure helps in our hot weather, especially when I pull the 9000# boat to Mexico. Might use 70 or more HP?


From: "bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:15:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

The document by Caterpillar Corp does an excellent job of discussing factors influencing performance as well as MPG.  It applies to all heavy vehicles, irrespective of engine brand: 

 http://www.rvtechlibrary.com/engine/Cat_RV_Performance.pdf


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27326 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
Next time I am at the Freightliner shop I will ask if such a thing exists. Doubt it. I guess I could change back to the standard fan in cool weather, but that's too much work. Just pay the price and enjoy.


From: "Lorne Shantz lshantz@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 12:11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

Can you get a clutch for it? That would really help!

Lorne

On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, 'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


That is a good book. I keep trying to figure out why I get 7-71/2 MPG when everybody does better. After reading the book I'm thinking it might be because the coach has a 7 blade high volume fan. I got it from the factory way back and it sure helps in our hot weather, especially when I pull the 9000# boat to Mexico. Might use 70 or more HP?


From: "bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:15:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

The document by Caterpillar Corp does an excellent job of discussing factors influencing performance as well as MPG.  It applies to all heavy vehicles, irrespective of engine brand: 

 http://www.rvtechlibrary.com/engine/Cat_RV_Performance.pdf


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27328 From: Lorne Shantz Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
They are so common in cars and trucks, I would not be at all surprised if you can get one. They will be pricey but would pay for itself quickly i think. 

Lorne 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2014, at 08:57, 'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Next time I am at the Freightliner shop I will ask if such a thing exists. Doubt it. I guess I could change back to the standard fan in cool weather, but that's too much work. Just pay the price and enjoy.


From: "Lorne Shantz lshantz@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 12:11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

Can you get a clutch for it? That would really help!

Lorne

On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, 'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


That is a good book. I keep trying to figure out why I get 7-71/2 MPG when everybody does better. After reading the book I'm thinking it might be because the coach has a 7 blade high volume fan. I got it from the factory way back and it sure helps in our hot weather, especially when I pull the 9000# boat to Mexico. Might use 70 or more HP?


From: "bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:15:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

The document by Caterpillar Corp does an excellent job of discussing factors influencing performance as well as MPG.  It applies to all heavy vehicles, irrespective of engine brand: 

 http://www.rvtechlibrary.com/engine/Cat_RV_Performance.pdf


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27329 From: DOUGLAS BRANCH Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
For the gas engine.  Ford 460 it is a fairly eAsy change.  4 nuts if I remember right. 

Sent from my iPhone10 Doug


On Dec 28, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Lorne Shantz lshantz@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

They are so common in cars and trucks, I would not be at all surprised if you can get one. They will be pricey but would pay for itself quickly i think. 

Lorne 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2014, at 08:57, 'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Next time I am at the Freightliner shop I will ask if such a thing exists. Doubt it. I guess I could change back to the standard fan in cool weather, but that's too much work. Just pay the price and enjoy.


From: "Lorne Shantz lshantz@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 12:11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

Can you get a clutch for it? That would really help!

Lorne

On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, 'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


That is a good book. I keep trying to figure out why I get 7-71/2 MPG when everybody does better. After reading the book I'm thinking it might be because the coach has a 7 blade high volume fan. I got it from the factory way back and it sure helps in our hot weather, especially when I pull the 9000# boat to Mexico. Might use 70 or more HP?


From: "bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:15:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

The document by Caterpillar Corp does an excellent job of discussing factors influencing performance as well as MPG.  It applies to all heavy vehicles, irrespective of engine brand: 

 http://www.rvtechlibrary.com/engine/Cat_RV_Performance.pdf


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27330 From: Herb Date: 12/28/2014
Subject: Re: Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge
There is a big problem.  Trucks & cars with clutch fans have the air pass through as you drive.  Unless you plan to drive in reverse it won't work.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 28, 2014, at 2:21 PM, DOUGLAS BRANCH deckiedoo@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

For the gas engine.  Ford 460 it is a fairly eAsy change.  4 nuts if I remember right. 

Sent from my iPhone10 Doug


On Dec 28, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Lorne Shantz lshantz@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

They are so common in cars and trucks, I would not be at all surprised if you can get one. They will be pricey but would pay for itself quickly i think. 

Lorne 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2014, at 08:57, 'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Next time I am at the Freightliner shop I will ask if such a thing exists. Doubt it. I guess I could change back to the standard fan in cool weather, but that's too much work. Just pay the price and enjoy.


From: "Lorne Shantz lshantz@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 12:11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

Can you get a clutch for it? That would really help!

Lorne

On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, 'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


That is a good book. I keep trying to figure out why I get 7-71/2 MPG when everybody does better. After reading the book I'm thinking it might be because the coach has a 7 blade high volume fan. I got it from the factory way back and it sure helps in our hot weather, especially when I pull the 9000# boat to Mexico. Might use 70 or more HP?


From: "bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:15:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Fuel mileage (was: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?)

The document by Caterpillar Corp does an excellent job of discussing factors influencing performance as well as MPG.  It applies to all heavy vehicles, irrespective of engine brand: 

 http://www.rvtechlibrary.com/engine/Cat_RV_Performance.pdf


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27486 From: art5617 Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement

I have a fuel gauge operating erratically and have decided to take a chance and replace it.  I know it could be the sending unit, but it's February..  Any suggestions on where to get another gauge-preferably the same as OEM. 


Thanks in advance


Art

1994 Safari Ivory

2004 JGC

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27487 From: Richard Missett Date: 2/2/2015
Subject: Re: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement
The gauges in my coach are from Teleflex Marine in Sarasota FL
Do a google search and compare 
HTH 

Dick Missett
98 Sahara 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2015, at 5:37 PM, "art5617@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have a fuel gauge operating erratically and have decided to take a chance and replace it.  I know it could be the sending unit, but it's February..  Any suggestions on where to get another gauge-preferably the same as OEM. 


Thanks in advance


Art

1994 Safari Ivory

2004 JGC

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27562 From: j_r_ruff Date: 2/18/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
The answer is not to replace the sender.  The answer is to CALIBRATE the gauge.  Do a google search on calibrate gas gauge.  It is very simple to do.

How to accurately calibrate Your Fuel Gauge - easy way - Shannonpowerlab Random Vehicle Projects

 



John Ruff
96 Safari Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27563 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
What do you do if the gauge reads full down to about 1/2 tank and then reads normally the rest of the way? Probably a bad sender? I just drive 500 miles and fill up because the sender is so difficult to remove. Pete, 99 sahara.


From: "j_r_ruff@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

The answer is not to replace the sender.  The answer is to CALIBRATE the gauge.  Do a google search on calibrate gas gauge.  It is very simple to do.

How to accurately calibrate Your Fuel Gauge - easy way - Shannonpowerlab Random Vehicle Projects

 



John Ruff
96 Safari Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27566 From: ART Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Pete,

I've been using the same method for about 6 years.  Except mine pegs to the right and then drops to about 1/4 tank before becoming "normal".  If any reading IS normal from the Safari gauge cluster.  I've been reading all the suggested solutions on the forums but decided to live with it.

Art
96 Seren


From: "'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

 
What do you do if the gauge reads full down to about 1/2 tank and then reads normally the rest of the way? Probably a bad sender? I just drive 500 miles and fill up because the sender is so difficult to remove. Pete, 99 sahara.


From: "j_r_ruff@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

The answer is not to replace the sender.  The answer is to CALIBRATE the gauge.  Do a google search on calibrate gas gauge.  It is very simple to do.

How to accurately calibrate Your Fuel Gauge - easy way - Shannonpowerlab Random Vehicle Projects
 


John Ruff
96 Safari Sahara


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27567 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
They put a hole in the frame by the fuel sender but it doesn't line up so you can get it out. Looks like you would have to drop the tank meaning also drop the axle. No way!!
As near as I can tell, the gauge is correct once it starts to work.


From: "ART tookum@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:54:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

Pete,

I've been using the same method for about 6 years.  Except mine pegs to the right and then drops to about 1/4 tank before becoming "normal".  If any reading IS normal from the Safari gauge cluster.  I've been reading all the suggested solutions on the forums but decided to live with it.

Art
96 Seren


From: "'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

 
What do you do if the gauge reads full down to about 1/2 tank and then reads normally the rest of the way? Probably a bad sender? I just drive 500 miles and fill up because the sender is so difficult to remove. Pete, 99 sahara.


From: "j_r_ruff@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

The answer is not to replace the sender.  The answer is to CALIBRATE the gauge.  Do a google search on calibrate gas gauge.  It is very simple to do.

How to accurately calibrate Your Fuel Gauge - easy way - Shannonpowerlab Random Vehicle Projects
 


John Ruff
96 Safari Sahara


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27569 From: ART Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Yep, mine is also but when it drops to 1/4 tank and I'm in the boonies I get nervous.  But as they say....A broken watch is correct twice a day.....

Art


From: "'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

 
They put a hole in the frame by the fuel sender but it doesn't line up so you can get it out. Looks like you would have to drop the tank meaning also drop the axle. No way!!
As near as I can tell, the gauge is correct once it starts to work.




From: "ART tookum@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:54:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

Pete,

I've been using the same method for about 6 years.  Except mine pegs to the right and then drops to about 1/4 tank before becoming "normal".  If any reading IS normal from the Safari gauge cluster.  I've been reading all the suggested solutions on the forums but decided to live with it.

Art
96 Seren


From: "'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

 
What do you do if the gauge reads full down to about 1/2 tank and then reads normally the rest of the way? Probably a bad sender? I just drive 500 miles and fill up because the sender is so difficult to remove. Pete, 99 sahara.


From: "j_r_ruff@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

The answer is not to replace the sender.  The answer is to CALIBRATE the gauge.  Do a google search on calibrate gas gauge.  It is very simple to do.

How to accurately calibrate Your Fuel Gauge - easy way - Shannonpowerlab Random Vehicle Projects
 


John Ruff
96 Safari Sahara




Group: Safarifriends Message: 27572 From: Ronnie Date: 2/19/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

Sorry so many people are having gauge problems. My 98 Serengeti’s fuel gauge is dead on from full to empty. With a 100 gallon tank I can look at the gauge and estimate to within 10 gallons how much fuel it will take to fill up. From now on I’m keep my fingers crossed that this doesn’t change.

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:54 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

 

 

Pete,

 

I've been using the same method for about 6 years.  Except mine pegs to the right and then drops to about 1/4 tank before becoming "normal".  If any reading IS normal from the Safari gauge cluster.  I've been reading all the suggested solutions on the forums but decided to live with it.

 

Art

96 Seren

 


From: "'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

 

 

What do you do if the gauge reads full down to about 1/2 tank and then reads normally the rest of the way? Probably a bad sender? I just drive 500 miles and fill up because the sender is so difficult to remove. Pete, 99 sahara.


From: "j_r_ruff@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

The answer is not to replace the sender.  The answer is to CALIBRATE the gauge.  Do a google search on calibrate gas gauge.  It is very simple to do.

How to accurately calibrate Your Fuel Gauge - easy way - Shannonpowerlab Random Vehicle Projects

image

How to accurately calibrate Your Fuel Gauge - easy way...

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John Ruff
96 Safari Sahara

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27577 From: Conny Culver Date: 2/20/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?
Our fuel gauge works accurately.  We keep an eye on our miles per gallon reading on the SilverLeaf and refuel accordingly.  The guage seems 'in sync' with our MPG. 

May God Bless,
Conny
2000 Serengeti
To those neighbors and allies who share our freedom, we will strengthen our historic ties and assure them of our support and firm commitment. We will match loyalty with loyalty. We will strive for mutually beneficial relations. We will not use our friendship to impose on their sovereignty, for our own sovereignty is not for sale.
RONALD REAGAN 
1/20/1981 









On Feb 19, 2015, at 4:09 PM, Ronnie beech50@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Sorry so many people are having gauge problems. My 98 Serengeti’s fuel gauge is dead on from full to empty. With a 100 gallon tank I can look at the gauge and estimate to within 10 gallons how much fuel it will take to fill up. From now on I’m keep my fingers crossed that this doesn’t change.

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:54 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

 

 

Pete,

 

I've been using the same method for about 6 years.  Except mine pegs to the right and then drops to about 1/4 tank before becoming "normal".  If any reading IS normal from the Safari gauge cluster.  I've been reading all the suggested solutions on the forums but decided to live with it.

 

Art

96 Seren

 


From: "'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

 

 

What do you do if the gauge reads full down to about 1/2 tank and then reads normally the rest of the way? Probably a bad sender? I just drive 500 miles and fill up because the sender is so difficult to remove. Pete, 99 sahara.


From: "j_r_ruff@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:45:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari Durability forever--except fuel gauge help?

The answer is not to replace the sender.  The answer is to CALIBRATE the gauge.  Do a google search on calibrate gas gauge.  It is very simple to do.

How to accurately calibrate Your Fuel Gauge - easy way - Shannonpowerlab Random Vehicle Projects

image

How to accurately calibrate Your Fuel Gauge - easy way...

Totally random vehicle projects Engine Conversion - Mitsubisi to Ford Vehicle repairs Vehicle Modifications Vehicle Construction

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John Ruff
96 Safari Sahara

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27830 From: Ronnie Gravitt Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement

My educated guess is that you have a wire shorting to ground. I’d check the wires coming from the fuel gauge sending unit for a bare wire contacting a metal part. Or you have the main ground wire to the gauge loose or corroded.

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:22 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement

 

 

Thanks for your reply. We have had some major family issues and had to put this on the back burner.  It's time for a much needed break so we need to get back to business.

 

The gauge jumps erratically from normal to full to empty on a random time frame.  The needle hits it's stops hard enough to make noise. There doesn't seem to be a pattern.  I disconnected it for fear of an internal short causing damage to the wiring.

 

Your thoughts?

Art


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Group: Safarifriends Message: 27834 From: Tommy D Galloway Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement
I have replaced a couple of my gauges mine are made by VDO. They have a distributor in Charlotte NC.

Tommy Galloway

1993 Safari Kalahari
Spartan Chassis
6.5 TD





From:        "art5617@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To:        <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Date:        04/22/2015 11:22 AM
Subject:        [Safarifriends] Re: 1994 Safari fuel gauge replacement
Sent by:        <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>




 

Thanks for your reply. We have had some major family issues and had to put this on the back burner.  It's time for a much needed break so we need to get back to business.

The gauge jumps erratically from normal to full to empty on a random time frame.  The needle hits it's stops hard enough to make noise. There doesn't seem to be a pattern.  I disconnected it for fear of an internal short causing damage to the wiring.


Your thoughts?
Art


Group: Safarifriends Message: 28599 From: daveg Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: We dropped the fuel tank
My Hurricane heater has been sucking air in the fuel for some time.
Everything visible was fine. The hose disappeared up to the top of the
diesel fuel tank. The leak gradually got worse, ultimately over-filling
my 1gal air bleed can forcing us to do the work. My 30yr old son dropped
in for a visit and graciously volunteered to help.

We ran the tank "dry". Well, there was 15gal left in it, but as dry as
possible. We put a 1/4" fuel line on the air bleeder valve of the
Hurricane and used the Hurricane fuel pump to pump out as much as
possible. Then my son used a 3/8" drive 7/16" allen wrench to pull the
drain plug on the bottom of the tank while I held a large funnel with
hose into a drain pan. Now it was easy to drop the tank down about 1'
onto the axle and other cross beams at the same height.

Note: Easy may be easy to say now that we're done. We used a floor jack,
assorted 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 blocks, and a couple of longer 2x4 pry bars in
the process of dropping it down.

The tricky part was to then drop the 6 bolts from the chassis AC heat
exchanger, tie it forward, and for me to convince my son to climb up in
between the front leveling foot and the heat exchanger. That allowed him
to see across the top of the tank and to work. There are two 2x2 square
steel spacer tubes sitting on top of the tank allowing space for the
right angle fittings and fuel lines. He could easily turn the front one
length-wise with the coach. Then the challenge was to reach back, remove
the hose clamp, and pull off the Hurricane 1/4" rubber fuel line, and
hook up the new line. Watch out not to run it back over the 2x2 spacer
tube like we did. It smashed flat when we clamped the tank back in place
meaning no fuel flow! :( Also be sure to check the fuel gauge leads on
the driver side of the tank as you raise the tank. Missing this step
means some cursing and frustrating work to hook the spade fittings back up.

I ran the Hurricane fuel line from the fuel filter through a 4 - 6"
piece of 1" PVC pipe to protect it from a sharp metal edge. My last step
was to fill the PVC around the fuel line with regular "Great Stuff" foam
sealant and insulation. Be careful not to rotate the 2x2 spacers as
there are a couple "rubber bands" that should be down against the fuel
tank. We had to drop it a second time the length of the strap bolts to
work the hose around the end of the rear 2x2 spacer. That gave us around
2" for the rerouting of the line. Fortunately we didn't need to drop it
down on the axle again as the tank was now fairly full of something
under 600lb of fuel.

After the second drop and cinching it back in place, I ran the main
diesel, the diesel Onan, and the Hurricane heater for about 15min just
to be sure.

I couldn't have done it by myself. It really is a two man job. Many
thanks, Luke!

--
- Dave Guyer, 1999 30' Safari Sahara, Magnum with Velvet Ride, 300 Cat
3126B, Allison 6
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28600 From: ART Date: 7/26/2015
Subject: Re: We dropped the fuel tank
Could I borrow your son?

Art
96 Seren


From: "daveg daveg2@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 5:39 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] We dropped the fuel tank

 
My Hurricane heater has been sucking air in the fuel for some time.
Everything visible was fine. The hose disappeared up to the top of the
diesel fuel tank. The leak gradually got worse, ultimately over-filling
my 1gal air bleed can forcing us to do the work. My 30yr old son dropped
in for a visit and graciously volunteered to help.

We ran the tank "dry". Well, there was 15gal left in it, but as dry as
possible. We put a 1/4" fuel line on the air bleeder valve of the
Hurricane and used the Hurricane fuel pump to pump out as much as
possible. Then my son used a 3/8" drive 7/16" allen wrench to pull the
drain plug on the bottom of the tank while I held a large funnel with
hose into a drain pan. Now it was easy to drop the tank down about 1'
onto the axle and other cross beams at the same height.

Note: Easy may be easy to say now that we're done. We used a floor jack,
assorted 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 blocks, and a couple of longer 2x4 pry bars in
the process of dropping it down.

The tricky part was to then drop the 6 bolts from the chassis AC heat
exchanger, tie it forward, and for me to convince my son to climb up in
between the front leveling foot and the heat exchanger. That allowed him
to see across the top of the tank and to work. There are two 2x2 square
steel spacer tubes sitting on top of the tank allowing space for the
right angle fittings and fuel lines. He could easily turn the front one
length-wise with the coach. Then the challenge was to reach back, remove
the hose clamp, and pull off the Hurricane 1/4" rubber fuel line, and
hook up the new line. Watch out not to run it back over the 2x2 spacer
tube like we did. It smashed flat when we clamped the tank back in place
meaning no fuel flow! :( Also be sure to check the fuel gauge leads on
the driver side of the tank as you raise the tank. Missing this step
means some cursing and frustrating work to hook the spade fittings back up.

I ran the Hurricane fuel line from the fuel filter through a 4 - 6"
piece of 1" PVC pipe to protect it from a sharp metal edge. My last step
was to fill the PVC around the fuel line with regular "Great Stuff" foam
sealant and insulation. Be careful not to rotate the 2x2 spacers as
there are a couple "rubber bands" that should be down against the fuel
tank. We had to drop it a second time the length of the strap bolts to
work the hose around the end of the rear 2x2 spacer. That gave us around
2" for the rerouting of the line. Fortunately we didn't need to drop it
down on the axle again as the tank was now fairly full of something
under 600lb of fuel.

After the second drop and cinching it back in place, I ran the main
diesel, the diesel Onan, and the Hurricane heater for about 15min just
to be sure.

I couldn't have done it by myself. It really is a two man job. Many
thanks, Luke!

--
- Dave Guyer, 1999 30' Safari Sahara, Magnum with Velvet Ride, 300 Cat
3126B, Allison 6


Group: Safarifriends Message: 29410 From: TheMopedWhiz Date: 11/23/2015
Subject: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
does anybody have any wiring info/diagrams for the dash and switches
specifically the gauge console in front of the driver

ive been putting up with a problem for several years
the gauges all read different when i turn on the headlights
the fuel gauge goes down, the water temp gauge goes up

i know its got to be a voltage problem
i bought a Drok  buck/boost constant voltage and constant current driver
and i'm going to regulate the voltage for the dash console
but need to know where in the circuit to install it and what voltage to set it at
i'm going to use 13v for the starting point, unless its a 5v circuit
but I think its all nominal 12-13v automotive voltage
but would really like to verify the wiring, before i start cutting and splicing


Group: Safarifriends Message: 29412 From: TD Date: 11/23/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Mopedwhiz,

I can't help you on what you are trying to do, but one way to get rid of your issues, is rewire your headlight to go through a relay, meaning, that the headlight switch would only signal the relay to pull in and your headlights would actually draw straight from the batteries. This would also make the headlights brighter and take the load off of the headlight switch. Do a search on headlights, one of the members has detailed instructions on how best to do this, search the files section.
BTW, my coach does this too, I just got use to it, it changes the readings a bit but stays consistent, meaning, when the headlights are on, it lies a bit, but consistently, so I still know where I'm at.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:18 PM, themopedwhiz@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


does anybody have any wiring info/diagrams for the dash and switches
specifically the gauge console in front of the driver

ive been putting up with a problem for several years
the gauges all read different when i turn on the headlights
the fuel gauge goes down, the water temp gauge goes up

i know its got to be a voltage problem
i bought a Drok  buck/boost constant voltage and constant current driver
and i'm going to regulate the voltage for the dash console
but need to know where in the circuit to install it and what voltage to set it at
i'm going to use 13v for the starting point, unless its a 5v circuit
but I think its all nominal 12-13v automotive voltage
but would really like to verify the wiring, before i start cutting and splicing





Group: Safarifriends Message: 29413 From: Bridget and Gerald Date: 11/23/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
We had a similar problem with our 90 Serengeti and it was a ground problem.  Safari supplied us with another ground cable to run from the ground bus back of the dash to a solid chassis ground.  Hope this is informative. 

Gerald Post



On Monday, November 23, 2015 8:26 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mopedwhiz,

I can't help you on what you are trying to do, but one way to get rid of your issues, is rewire your headlight to go through a relay, meaning, that the headlight switch would only signal the relay to pull in and your headlights would actually draw straight from the batteries. This would also make the headlights brighter and take the load off of the headlight switch. Do a search on headlights, one of the members has detailed instructions on how best to do this, search the files section.
BTW, my coach does this too, I just got use to it, it changes the readings a bit but stays consistent, meaning, when the headlights are on, it lies a bit, but consistently, so I still know where I'm at.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:18 PM, themopedwhiz@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


does anybody have any wiring info/diagrams for the dash and switches
specifically the gauge console in front of the driver

ive been putting up with a problem for several years
the gauges all read different when i turn on the headlights
the fuel gauge goes down, the water temp gauge goes up

i know its got to be a voltage problem
i bought a Drok  buck/boost constant voltage and constant current driver
and i'm going to regulate the voltage for the dash console
but need to know where in the circuit to install it and what voltage to set it at
i'm going to use 13v for the starting point, unless its a 5v circuit
but I think its all nominal 12-13v automotive voltage
but would really like to verify the wiring, before i start cutting and splicing






Group: Safarifriends Message: 29420 From: ART Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
Gerald , we had a similar experience.  We bought our 96 Serengeti in 2000.  We had overheating and gauge problems and took the coach to the Safari factory service center near Tampa (that should start a discussion).  They clean the CAC for the overheat problem.  They ran a large wire, prob 10 or larger, from the frame near the front bumper to the instrument cluster and re-grounded the gauges.  Didn't help that much.  Still have erroneous readings on coolant and xmission temps.  Could be the senders.

Art
96 Seren


From: "Bridget and Gerald outpost1939@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari

 
We had a similar problem with our 90 Serengeti and it was a ground problem.  Safari supplied us with another ground cable to run from the ground bus back of the dash to a solid chassis ground.  Hope this is informative. 

Gerald Post



On Monday, November 23, 2015 8:26 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mopedwhiz,

I can't help you on what you are trying to do, but one way to get rid of your issues, is rewire your headlight to go through a relay, meaning, that the headlight switch would only signal the relay to pull in and your headlights would actually draw straight from the batteries. This would also make the headlights brighter and take the load off of the headlight switch. Do a search on headlights, one of the members has detailed instructions on how best to do this, search the files section.
BTW, my coach does this too, I just got use to it, it changes the readings a bit but stays consistent, meaning, when the headlights are on, it lies a bit, but consistently, so I still know where I'm at.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:18 PM, themopedwhiz@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


does anybody have any wiring info/diagrams for the dash and switches
specifically the gauge console in front of the driver

ive been putting up with a problem for several years
the gauges all read different when i turn on the headlights
the fuel gauge goes down, the water temp gauge goes up

i know its got to be a voltage problem
i bought a Drok  buck/boost constant voltage and constant current driver
and i'm going to regulate the voltage for the dash console
but need to know where in the circuit to install it and what voltage to set it at
i'm going to use 13v for the starting point, unless its a 5v circuit
but I think its all nominal 12-13v automotive voltage
but would really like to verify the wiring, before i start cutting and splicing








Group: Safarifriends Message: 29424 From: Jim Exler Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Gauge console wiring 95 safari
Art,
 
On my 98 Sahara, both the water and trans temperature gauge readings were very low. After some testing with a multimeter and a variable resistor plus research into the sending unit used (GM), I ended up with a 560 ohm 1 watt resistor across the sender to ground terminal on the gauges and now they read much better.
 
My graph of the testing is attached. If it does not come through, let me know and I will send it to you.
 
I had talked with a support rep at Teleflex who made the gauges and he suggested the resistor starting at 500 ohms.
 
Jim Exler, Nampa, ID
 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
 
 

Gerald , we had a similar experience.  We bought our 96 Serengeti in 2000.  We had overheating and gauge problems and took the coach to the Safari factory service center near Tampa (that should start a discussion).  They clean the CAC for the overheat problem.  They ran a large wire, prob 10 or larger, from the frame near the front bumper to the instrument cluster and re-grounded the gauges.  Didn't help that much.  Still have erroneous readings on coolant and xmission temps.  Could be the senders.
 
Art
96 Seren
 

From: "Bridget and Gerald outpost1939@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
 
 
We had a similar problem with our 90 Serengeti and it was a ground problem.  Safari supplied us with another ground cable to run from the ground bus back of the dash to a solid chassis ground.  Hope this is informative. 

Gerald Post
 


On Monday, November 23, 2015 8:26 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mopedwhiz,

I can't help you on what you are trying to do, but one way to get rid of your issues, is rewire your headlight to go through a relay, meaning, that the headlight switch would only signal the relay to pull in and your headlights would actually draw straight from the batteries. This would also make the headlights brighter and take the load off of the headlight switch. Do a search on headlights, one of the members has detailed instructions on how best to do this, search the files section.
BTW, my coach does this too, I just got use to it, it changes the readings a bit but stays consistent, meaning, when the headlights are on, it lies a bit, but consistently, so I still know where I'm at.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.
 
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:18 PM, themopedwhiz@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


does anybody have any wiring info/diagrams for the dash and switches
specifically the gauge console in front of the driver

ive been putting up with a problem for several years
the gauges all read different when i turn on the headlights
the fuel gauge goes down, the water temp gauge goes up

i know its got to be a voltage problem
i bought a Drok  buck/boost constant voltage and constant current driver
and i'm going to regulate the voltage for the dash console
but need to know where in the circuit to install it and what voltage to set it at
i'm going to use 13v for the starting point, unless its a 5v circuit
but I think its all nominal 12-13v automotive voltage
but would really like to verify the wiring, before i start cutting and splicing



 




Group: Safarifriends Message: 29439 From: babygreatlakes Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
A good source for a relay to the headlights is a standard Ford starter relay. It's cheap, has good chassis mounting studs, and it is hell for stout. With just the headlights on it you'll never overload it. Available from any NAPA/AutoZone/O'Reileys outlet.

Marc
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, C 8.3 300 Cummins


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :

Mopedwhiz,

I can't help you on what you are trying to do, but one way to get rid of your issues, is rewire your headlight to go through a relay, meaning, that the headlight switch would only signal the relay to pull in and your headlights would actually draw straight from the batteries. This would also make the headlights brighter and take the load off of the headlight switch. Do a search on headlights, one of the members has detailed instructions on how best to do this, search the files section.
BTW, my coach does this too, I just got use to it, it changes the readings a bit but stays consistent, meaning, when the headlights are on, it lies a bit, but consistently, so I still know where I'm at.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:18 PM, themopedwhiz@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


does anybody have any wiring info/diagrams for the dash and switches
specifically the gauge console in front of the driver

ive been putting up with a problem for several years
the gauges all read different when i turn on the headlights
the fuel gauge goes down, the water temp gauge goes up

i know its got to be a voltage problem
i bought a Drok  buck/boost constant voltage and constant current driver
and i'm going to regulate the voltage for the dash console
but need to know where in the circuit to install it and what voltage to set it at
i'm going to use 13v for the starting point, unless its a 5v circuit
but I think its all nominal 12-13v automotive voltage
but would really like to verify the wiring, before i start cutting and splicing





Group: Safarifriends Message: 29441 From: Ken Wethington Date: 11/24/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari

This is my first post. I’ve been reading all of the great advice on here and thought I’d join in on the headlight issue.

Slee Offroad out of Golden, CO offers a headlight power circuit that uses the original light switch to power 2 relays and run power to the headlights independently from another 12 volt source. The kit is designed to replace the headlight power on 80 series Land Cruisers which is weak. With a little modification and some butt splices it’ll work. I’m doing this to my Sahara.

Part number LIG 1001 cost $48.

 

Ken

’96 Safari Sahara 250 Cat 3126 Allison MD 3060

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 4:34 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari

 

 

A good source for a relay to the headlights is a standard Ford starter relay. It's cheap, has good chassis mounting studs, and it is hell for stout. With just the headlights on it you'll never overload it. Available from any NAPA/AutoZone/O'Reileys outlet.

Marc
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, C 8.3 300 Cummins



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :

Mopedwhiz,

I can't help you on what you are trying to do, but one way to get rid of your issues, is rewire your headlight to go through a relay, meaning, that the headlight switch would only signal the relay to pull in and your headlights would actually draw straight from the batteries. This would also make the headlights brighter and take the load off of the headlight switch. Do a search on headlights, one of the members has detailed instructions on how best to do this, search the files section.

BTW, my coach does this too, I just got use to it, it changes the readings a bit but stays consistent, meaning, when the headlights are on, it lies a bit, but consistently, so I still know where I'm at.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:18 PM, themopedwhiz@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



does anybody have any wiring info/diagrams for the dash and switches
specifically the gauge console in front of the driver

ive been putting up with a problem for several years
the gauges all read different when i turn on the headlights
the fuel gauge goes down, the water temp gauge goes up

i know its got to be a voltage problem
i bought a Drok  buck/boost constant voltage and constant current driver
and i'm going to regulate the voltage for the dash console
but need to know where in the circuit to install it and what voltage to set it at
i'm going to use 13v for the starting point, unless its a 5v circuit
but I think its all nominal 12-13v automotive voltage
but would really like to verify the wiring, before i start cutting and splicing

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 29447 From: Gerald Larsen Date: 11/25/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
You might want to check that the solenoid is rated for continuos duty, many are not and may burn out the coil

Jerry
97 40' Seren not so velvet ride

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Nov 24, 2015, at 3:33 PM, averys_98550@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

A good source for a relay to the headlights is a standard Ford starter relay. It's cheap, has good chassis mounting studs, and it is hell for stout. With just the headlights on it you'll never overload it. Available from any NAPA/AutoZone/O'Reileys outlet.

Marc
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, C 8.3 300 Cummins



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :

Mopedwhiz,

I can't help you on what you are trying to do, but one way to get rid of your issues, is rewire your headlight to go through a relay, meaning, that the headlight switch would only signal the relay to pull in and your headlights would actually draw straight from the batteries. This would also make the headlights brighter and take the load off of the headlight switch. Do a search on headlights, one of the members has detailed instructions on how best to do this, search the files section.
BTW, my coach does this too, I just got use to it, it changes the readings a bit but stays consistent, meaning, when the headlights are on, it lies a bit, but consistently, so I still know where I'm at.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:18 PM, themopedwhiz@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


does anybody have any wiring info/diagrams for the dash and switches
specifically the gauge console in front of the driver

ive been putting up with a problem for several years
the gauges all read different when i turn on the headlights
the fuel gauge goes down, the water temp gauge goes up

i know its got to be a voltage problem
i bought a Drok  buck/boost constant voltage and constant current driver
and i'm going to regulate the voltage for the dash console
but need to know where in the circuit to install it and what voltage to set it at
i'm going to use 13v for the starting point, unless its a 5v circuit
but I think its all nominal 12-13v automotive voltage
but would really like to verify the wiring, before i start cutting and splicing





Group: Safarifriends Message: 29450 From: Jim Exler Date: 11/26/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Gauge console wiring 95 safari
Whoever a moped whiz is,
 
I have just added the drawings I have for the instrument panel to my web site. Go to http://jexler.s3.amazonaws.com/safari/safari.html and then the electrical page.
 
There is still a problem with the temperature gauges reading wrong. I will try to create a page with my research and resolution when I get a chance. This retirement stuff keeps a fellow busy.
 
Jim Exler, Nampa, ID
 
 
 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 9:18 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
 
 

does anybody have any wiring info/diagrams for the dash and switches
specifically the gauge console in front of the driver

ive been putting up with a problem for several years
the gauges all read different when i turn on the headlights
the fuel gauge goes down, the water temp gauge goes up

i know its got to be a voltage problem
i bought a Drok  buck/boost constant voltage and constant current driver
and i'm going to regulate the voltage for the dash console
but need to know where in the circuit to install it and what voltage to set it at
i'm going to use 13v for the starting point, unless its a 5v circuit
but I think its all nominal 12-13v automotive voltage
but would really like to verify the wiring, before i start cutting and splicing


Group: Safarifriends Message: 29569 From: TheMopedWhiz Date: 12/18/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
sorry to be so slow
started on this thanksgiving weekend, and has the wrong voltage regulator
it was a 'bucker' for regulating down not up
in process of setting on the dash with my back to the windshield and leaning/twisting to work in the POD
i threw out my back and left hip
that shut me down for about a week
then i ordered the correct 'Booster'
so about 10days a go
i started on it again, got smart so i thought, and leaned over the POD, stomach against pod, head upside down
moved the power wire connections around a little so the volt meter got the first hot wire, cut the connection between the rest of the guages, installed the booster regulator, st the voltage at 13.7
turned on the key, nice good fuel guage reading
start engine, same reading .. looking good,
turn on the lights, dang still got some wrong way change (only 1/2 as much) better but not perfect
starting checking all the grounds, tightness meter readings etc..
all good
but then i noticed, the ground for the gauge function is the ground for instrument light
all daisy chained together, and NOT connected to the ground lug in the pod, but running down and connecting to ground for the RUNNING lights.. so stupid ( the voltage potential of that wire shifted when the lights were turned on, basically a floating ground, not a solid ground)
i installed a jumper from gauge grounds (i used temp gauge) to the pod ground lug
now the Gauges are rock solid, (well the fuel gauge twitches when moving) the all the temp and pressure gauges stay solid, don't move when the lights are turned on/off
anyway in the lean over POD pressure on my gut, i disturbed and internal hernia, and spent the next week in bed in pain.... Shessh cant win for losing, i still need to close up the pod
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29570 From: mel96safari Date: 12/20/2015
Subject: Re: Dash Guage console wiring 95 safari
themopedwhiz ??
What's your name and what model '95 Safari coach do you have?
Mel
'96 Sahara 3530


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <themopedwhiz@...> wrote :

sorry to be so slow
started on this thanksgiving weekend, and has the wrong voltage regulator
it was a 'bucker' for regulating down not up
in process of setting on the dash with my back to the windshield and leaning/twisting to work in the POD
i threw out my back and left hip
that shut me down for about a week
then i ordered the correct 'Booster'
so about 10days a go
i started on it again, got smart so i thought, and leaned over the POD, stomach against pod, head upside down
moved the power wire connections around a little so the volt meter got the first hot wire, cut the connection between the rest of the guages, installed the booster regulator, st the voltage at 13.7
turned on the key, nice good fuel guage reading
start engine, same reading .. looking good,
turn on the lights, dang still got some wrong way change (only 1/2 as much) better but not perfect
starting checking all the grounds, tightness meter readings etc..
all good
but then i noticed, the ground for the gauge function is the ground for instrument light
all daisy chained together, and NOT connected to the ground lug in the pod, but running down and connecting to ground for the RUNNING lights.. so stupid ( the voltage potential of that wire shifted when the lights were turned on, basically a floating ground, not a solid ground)
i installed a jumper from gauge grounds (i used temp gauge) to the pod ground lug
now the Gauges are rock solid, (well the fuel gauge twitches when moving) the all the temp and pressure gauges stay solid, don't move when the lights are turned on/off
anyway in the lean over POD pressure on my gut, i disturbed and internal hernia, and spent the next week in bed in pain.... Shessh cant win for losing, i still need to close up the pod
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30376 From: kagzel777 Date: 5/15/2016
Subject: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti

We are new to the motorhome adventure and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future. We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting started with our new adventure.

Does anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get 48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has stopped reading all together.  I checked all the leads to and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 

My goal is to verify approximately how much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked properly.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.


Keith H

96 Serengeti LE 38ft

Group: Safarifriends Message: 30378 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 5/15/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
The fuel gage on my '99 Sahara has malfunctioned ever since I got it. Reads full until half empty, then works OK the rest of the way.   Problem is in the sender. Very difficult to change. The best way around the problem is to set the odometer to zero when you fill up and figure out how far one tank will take you. In my case, 500 miles with a safety margin. Yours would be farther.
Pete

From: "kagzel777@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 5:28:19 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti

We are new to the motorhome adventure and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future. We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting started with our new adventure.

Does anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get 48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has stopped reading all together.  I checked all the leads to and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 

My goal is to verify approximately how much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked properly.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.


Keith H

96 Serengeti LE 38ft

Group: Safarifriends Message: 30382 From: Dale Maggio Date: 5/15/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
I have a 98, 35ft. The tanks were made by TransferFlo in NoCal. They are most known for making aux tanks to put in the beds of pickup trucks.

I don't believe any of the Safari fuel gauges are calibrated. When mine reads empty, I can only get about 50 gal in an 88gal tank. So a third of the fuel was still in there.

If your filler hose really enters the tank half way up, you will never get a full tank. When the fuel level gets up to the fill tube, it will back up into the fill tube and pop the pump handle.

-=Dale=-

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On Sat, 5/14/16, kagzel777@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Safarifriends] Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 14, 2016, 5:28 PM


 









We are new to the motorhome adventure
and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future.
We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat
Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting
started with our new adventure.Does
anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel
level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close
to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get
48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The
fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has
stopped reading all together.  I checked all the leads to
and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear
to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might
be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level
from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube
enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I
don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 
My goal is to verify approximately how
much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer
to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take
it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked
properly.Any information will be greatly
appreciated.
Keith
H96 Serengeti LE 38ft









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Group: Safarifriends Message: 30387 From: ART Date: 5/15/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Keith,

Welcome to the perplexing world of RVing.  We've had an identical coach like yours for 16 years.  We've also had the same fuel gauge problem for more than 10 years.  It's a common problem.  I finally gave up and just calculate my remaining fuel (8 mpg x 105 gals) and just fill up when I get around 600 miles.  You said that you had checked the sending unit wires and connections.  I can't find the %@#& thing.  Let me know if you get a fix for this.

Art
1996 Serengeti, Model 3750, 3060 Allison


From: "kagzel777@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti

 
We are new to the motorhome adventure and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future. We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting started with our new adventure.
Does anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get 48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has stopped reading all together.   I checked all the leads to and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 
My goal is to verify approximately how much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked properly.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Keith H
96 Serengeti LE 38ft


Group: Safarifriends Message: 30390 From: Keith Bowers Date: 5/16/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
I have a 95 Sierra Sahara  (3126 CAT) with same fuel gauge sending unit problem.  I HAVE considered cutting a hole in the coach floor to get to the singing unit access plate.  Otherwise I work from known 100 gal full and miles traveled @ 8 mpg, leaving 15-20 gal reserve, and always filling before night. Ran out early in ownership, and re-priming no problem as water separator had rubber priming bulb.. Started immediately with 2 gal emergency fill and drive 10 miles to service station and pumped 99.2 gal to  full..
I always carry 2 gal of extra fuel in NFPA approved metal container in the basement and renew it every spring.  The ULSD is extremely stable and resistant to 'going stale'.

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 9:37 PM, ART tookum@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Keith,

Welcome to the perplexing world of RVing.  We've had an identical coach like yours for 16 years.  We've also had the same fuel gauge problem for more than 10 years.  It's a common problem.  I finally gave up and just calculate my remaining fuel (8 mpg x 105 gals) and just fill up when I get around 600 miles.  You said that you had checked the sending unit wires and connections.  I can't find the %@#& thing.  Let me know if you get a fix for this.

Art
1996 Serengeti, Model 3750, 3060 Allison


From: "kagzel777@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti

 
We are new to the motorhome adventure and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future. We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting started with our new adventure.
Does anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get 48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has stopped reading all together.   I checked all the leads to and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 
My goal is to verify approximately how much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked properly.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Keith H
96 Serengeti LE 38ft





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who would do us harm.
 
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 30409 From: kagzel777 Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti

Hi Art,


We are just getting started and perplexing is a good term....

I think we will just go the route of doing the math and filling more often, seems an easier approach.  I do plan to use an endoscope and look inside the tank to determine my fuel level as well as see the layout.  I know this will help me understand the system better.  I found the sending unit on the drivers side of the tank about halfway down the side.  There is an access hole cut through the frame that allows access to the unit and wiring.  I removed the wires and cleaned and reinstalled them to see if it helped, no such luck.  I still will look into a good testing procedure to try and determine if the sending unit or the  gauge is defective.  I haven't given up yet.....


Thanks again,

Keith



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <tookum@...> wrote :

Keith,

Welcome to the perplexing world of RVing.  We've had an identical coach like yours for 16 years.  We've also had the same fuel gauge problem for more than 10 years.  It's a common problem.  I finally gave up and just calculate my remaining fuel (8 mpg x 105 gals) and just fill up when I get around 600 miles.  You said that you had checked the sending unit wires and connections.  I can't find the %@#& thing.  Let me know if you get a fix for this.

Art
1996 Serengeti, Model 3750, 3060 Allison

From: "kagzel777@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 7:28 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti

 
We are new to the motorhome adventure and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future. We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting started with our new adventure.
Does anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get 48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has stopped reading all together.   I checked all the leads to and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 
My goal is to verify approximately how much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked properly.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Keith H
96 Serengeti LE 38ft


Group: Safarifriends Message: 30411 From: kagzel777 Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti

Dale,


Thanks for your input.  I am going to use a endoscope and look inside the tank through the fill tube as well as the vent line.  I hope this will give me a better understanding of the tank layout.  The side entry of the fill line is perplexing and seems a poor design.  I spoke a man at a filling station today who was fueling up his Class A Winnie and asked if he had any such issue.  He stated that he must fill his tank very slowly or the vent line prevents a full fill. 

I do think I will end up just doing the math and filling the tank more often. 

Thanks again.

Keith



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dalemaggio@...> wrote :

I have a 98, 35ft. The tanks were made by TransferFlo in NoCal. They are most known for making aux tanks to put in the beds of pickup trucks.

I don't believe any of the Safari fuel gauges are calibrated. When mine reads empty, I can only get about 50 gal in an 88gal tank. So a third of the fuel was still in there.

If your filler hose really enters the tank half way up, you will never get a full tank. When the fuel level gets up to the fill tube, it will back up into the fill tube and pop the pump handle.

-=Dale=-

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 5/14/16, kagzel777@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Safarifriends] Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 14, 2016, 5:28 PM


 









We are new to the motorhome adventure
and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future.
We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat
Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting
started with our new adventure.Does
anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel
level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close
to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get
48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The
fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has
stopped reading all together.  I checked all the leads to
and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear
to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might
be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level
from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube
enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I
don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 
My goal is to verify approximately how
much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer
to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take
it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked
properly.Any information will be greatly
appreciated.
Keith
H96 Serengeti LE 38ft









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Group: Safarifriends Message: 30416 From: kagzel777 Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti

Thanks Pete,


I believe I will just do the math and fill more often.  I will still look into the sending unit and do further testing to see if it is worth the effort to replace.  I am going to use a endoscope to peer inside the tank and see what I can see.  I will also look into the vent line issue to allow a better fill.


Thank again for your input

Keith



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <nanandpete@...> wrote :

The fuel gage on my '99 Sahara has malfunctioned ever since I got it. Reads full until half empty, then works OK the rest of the way.   Problem is in the sender. Very difficult to change. The best way around the problem is to set the odometer to zero when you fill up and figure out how far one tank will take you. In my case, 500 miles with a safety margin. Yours would be farther.
Pete
From: "kagzel777@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 5:28:19 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti

We are new to the motorhome adventure and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future. We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting started with our new adventure.

Does anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get 48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has stopped reading all together.  I checked all the leads to and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 

My goal is to verify approximately how much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked properly.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.


Keith H

96 Serengeti LE 38ft

Group: Safarifriends Message: 30421 From: Fritz Schooley Date: 5/18/2016
Subject: Re: Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
Keith,
I’ve been watching these posts for awhile now and have not seen my workaround for a non-functioning fuel gauge. My ’97 Serengeti 40’ with Cat 3126 300HP is equipped with a Silverleaf VMS system which displays digitally information from the Cat engine control system. 
A fuel gauge is not part of this system but there is a VERY accurate engine data component that records fuel usage among various other parameters. It is located on the TRIP screen which is user selectable with a button on the Silverleaf’s display module. All values can be reset to zero at the start of a trip, and these values include mileage and fuel usage. I only reset the values at oil change time. This way I know when an oil change is due. But more to the point, I monitor the total gallons of fuel usage and note the total at each and every fill-up. When on the road, I then can easily calculate my remaining fuel in the tank by subtracting the last fuel fill-up reading from the present reading (gallons used since fill-up) and then subtracting this from my 105 gallon tank capacity.  Over time, i.e. several years and tens of thousands of miles, this method has served me well. I also can do a rough calculation of what a fill-up quantity should consist of before I pull into a pump. I’m always within a gallon or so when the pump shuts of and I cannot  dribble any more into the tank.

Here’s hoping you have the Silverleaf system on your rig. Manuals, even for the very old VMSII systems are still available for download at www.silverleafelectronics.com . Regarding the fill and vent hoses on my rig, I have always had to continue filling at a very slow rate to get the last 15 or so gallons into the tank because of fuel backing up into the fill line. I can, with patience, get a full tank this way. I cannot get a full tank by just latching the pump delivery nozzle, even at the slowest setting, and expect it to fill slowly enough to not back up in the line for those last 15 gallons.

Fritz
1997 Serengeti 40’, CAT 3126, 300HP Allison 6 Speed

On May 16, 2016, at 10:48 PM, kagzel777@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Dale, 


Thanks for your input.  I am going to use a endoscope and look inside the tank through the fill tube as well as the vent line.  I hope this will give me a better understanding of the tank layout.  The side entry of the fill line is perplexing and seems a poor design.  I spoke a man at a filling station today who was fueling up his Class A Winnie and asked if he had any such issue.  He stated that he must fill his tank very slowly or the vent line prevents a full fill.  

I do think I will end up just doing the math and filling the tank more often.  

Thanks again.

Keith



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dalemaggio@...> wrote :

I have a 98, 35ft. The tanks were made by TransferFlo in NoCal. They are most known for making aux tanks to put in the beds of pickup trucks.

I don't believe any of the Safari fuel gauges are calibrated. When mine reads empty, I can only get about 50 gal in an 88gal tank. So a third of the fuel was still in there.

If your filler hose really enters the tank half way up, you will never get a full tank. When the fuel level gets up to the fill tube, it will back up into the fill tube and pop the pump handle.

-=Dale=-

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On Sat, 5/14/16, kagzel777@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Safarifriends] Manually check the fuel level on 96 Safari Serengetti
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 14, 2016, 5:28 PM


 









We are new to the motorhome adventure
and I am sure I will post many more questions in the future.
We recently purchased a 1996 Serengeti 38ft 300hp Cat
Allison 6 speed trans. We are very excited about getting
started with our new adventure.Does
anyone know if it is possible to manually verify the fuel
level in the tank?  Our fuel gauge was reading very close
to empty and I went to fill it up and was only able to get
48 gallons in the tank (the tank holds 105 gallons). The
fuel gauge never went above 1/4 tank and since then has
stopped reading all together.  I checked all the leads to
and from the sending unit and the fuel gauge and all appear
to be fine. I inspected to fuel tank in hopes that I might
be able to remove the fill line and check the fuel level
from the top of the tank.  Unfortunately the fill tube
enters the tank about halfway up the front side and I
don't want to remove the line and dump fuel. 
My goal is to verify approximately how
much fuel is actually in the tank so I can use the computer
to guestimate the when the tank is close to empty and take
it to a shop to have the gauge and sending unit checked
properly.Any information will be greatly
appreciated.
Keith
H96 Serengeti LE 38ft









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