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Group: Safarifriends Message: 39155 From: TD Date: 8/10/2018
Subject: Re: Hi, new owner questions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39160 From: mel96safari Date: 8/10/2018
Subject: Engine hour meter (was: Hi, new owner questions)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39200 From: Craig Burrell Date: 8/11/2018
Subject: Jacobs extarder exhaust brake.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39203 From: TD Date: 8/11/2018
Subject: Re: Jacobs extarder exhaust brake. [2 Attachments]
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39204 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/11/2018
Subject: Re: Jacobs extarder exhaust brake. [2 Attachments]
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39240 From: chvet73 Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39241 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39242 From: technolog1 Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39248 From: TD Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39520 From: TD Date: 9/5/2018
Subject: Re: Unmounted spare (was:Tire options)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39521 From: gregory snell Date: 9/5/2018
Subject: Re: Unmounted spare (was:Tire options)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39745 From: lobstaboy Date: 9/29/2018
Subject: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39748 From: TD Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39753 From: Robert Lewis Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39754 From: TD Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39756 From: lobstaboy Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39765 From: TD Date: 10/3/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39766 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/3/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39767 From: TD Date: 10/3/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39769 From: Gerald Emert Date: 10/3/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39810 From: Bill Edwards Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39811 From: TD Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39815 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39816 From: TD Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39817 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39818 From: Dave Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39819 From: TD Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39822 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/19/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39826 From: TD Date: 10/19/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39827 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/20/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39828 From: TD Date: 10/20/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39829 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/20/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39921 From: rob shelton Date: 11/2/2018
Subject: 1998 safari serengeti, 38'
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40175 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/6/2018
Subject: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40176 From: TD Date: 12/6/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40179 From: joneshd3488 Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40180 From: joneshd3488 Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40182 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40183 From: mel96safari Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Bilstein (was: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40187 From: TD Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar [1 Attachment]
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40188 From: TD Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40189 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: shock installation
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40190 From: TD Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shock installation
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40192 From: sandlb@bellsouth.net Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shock installation
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40196 From: mel96safari Date: 12/8/2018
Subject: Re: shock installation
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40197 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/8/2018
Subject: Gabriel Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40198 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/8/2018
Subject: Re: Gabriel Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40200 From: TD Date: 12/8/2018
Subject: Re: Gabriel Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40201 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/8/2018
Subject: Re: Gabriel Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40202 From: TD Date: 12/8/2018
Subject: Re: Gabriel Shocks



Group: Safarifriends Message: 39155 From: TD Date: 8/10/2018
Subject: Re: Hi, new owner questions
Steve,

Welcome!

It is very likely that your engine hour meter was miswired, which is
causing it to run/click all the time. It should be wired through the
oil pressure switch, this way it will count the hours only when the
engine is running.

As for reaching the pedal, your steering wheel is tilting and
telescopic. You should be able to adjust the wheel to be able to move
the seat forward enough so that your whole foot is in contact with the
pedal.

If it has not been done recently, have your brakes checked, brake
fluid flushed, and the caliper sliders greased. This should be done
every two years. Have the belts and hoses checked, and the fan hub
bearing greased. The fan hub has a zirk fitting, but it often gets
neglected because it is out of sight and hard to reach.

If you need shoucks in the future, search this group or as, and I will
provide the correct part numbers. Do not order by year, make,model,
because you will end up with the wrong ineffective shocks.

John
95 Safari Serengeti
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 8/10/18, sosteen@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> I just bought a 38'ft 96 Safari Serengeti Ivory edition and I have a few
> questions:
>
>
> 1. Is it normal to hear a ticking sound around the engine/service bay area
> when everything is off (all power is off on master switch) and it hasn't
> been run in 2 days? I think I remember this with my Uncles RV a long time
> ago, but I want to be sure there isn't something doing something that
> shouldn't.
>
>
>
> 2. I'm 5'10" and when driving I felt like my foot was far from the floor
> and when I would hit bumps it would cause me to dance on the accelerator,
> making for poor control. I tried adjusting the seat in all positions, but I
> can't seem to figure out how to get it lower in the front so I can use the
> floor as an anchor for my foot. Any ideas? Or do I just need to wear my
> cowboy boots with a big heal?
>
>
> 3. It drove great, good brakes, good power, great suspension feel. I'm
> getting it fully checked out and serviced next week. This is an old high
> mileage coach (~130k) so I'm sure I will need to address some issues, but
> anything major I should be looking out for?
>
>
>
> Thanks, I appreciate any comments and suggestions.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Osteen
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39160 From: mel96safari Date: 8/10/2018
Subject: Engine hour meter (was: Hi, new owner questions)
John and Steve
As originally wired by SMC the engine hour meter in my rear run bay is wired directly to the alternator post, (center post), of my solid state, (diode based), battery isolator.
Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :

Steve,

Welcome!

It is very likely that your engine hour meter was miswired, which is
causing it to run/click all the time. It should be wired through the
oil pressure switch, this way it will count the hours only when the
engine is running.

As for reaching the pedal, your steering wheel is tilting and
telescopic. You should be able to adjust the wheel to be able to move
the seat forward enough so that your whole foot is in contact with the
pedal.

If it has not been done recently, have your brakes checked, brake
fluid flushed, and the caliper sliders greased. This should be done
every two years. Have the belts and hoses checked, and the fan hub
bearing greased. The fan hub has a zirk fitting, but it often gets
neglected because it is out of sight and hard to reach.

If you need shoucks in the future, search this group or as, and I will
provide the correct part numbers. Do not order by year, make,model,
because you will end up with the wrong ineffective shocks.

John
95 Safari Serengeti
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


Group: Safarifriends Message: 39200 From: Craig Burrell Date: 8/11/2018
Subject: Jacobs extarder exhaust brake.

I have a 93 cont. with 8.3 and 6sp. Just came back from a 6800 mile trip and am very happy with the way it ran. It  is a little rough on the bumps and I am going to try a few thing before we go again. I have added new shocks and sway bar bushing. I am thinking about adding 500 pounds to the front end to see if it helps. Any thoughts.

 My exhaust brake I s not working and I have search the web for info. I could use some help.

Also the compressor on the front fire wall is dead. Does it only run the horns? Does my Jacobs have its own compressor. That is what it looks like in the back but I can not find any pictures of the model(not sure what model it is cause the numbers are messed up. See pic.

 

If any one has ideas please pass them on.

 

Also is my 8.3 coincided a c8.3 model.

Craig 93 cont. 8.3  6sp

Group: Safarifriends Message: 39203 From: TD Date: 8/11/2018
Subject: Re: Jacobs extarder exhaust brake. [2 Attachments]
Craig,

Have you weighed your coach, fully loaded, full tanks, etc.?
What tire pressures are you running, front and back?

As for your Pac Brake, check and confirm that you have air pressure
at the air solenoid inlet port. If you have pressure, than apply 12v
to the air solenoid, and see if you are getting air on the outlet
port. Keep testing down the line, process of elimination.

I'm glad your trip went well.
What kind of fuel mileage were you getting?

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 8/11/18, Craig Burrell technolog1@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> I have a 93 cont. with 8.3 and 6sp. Just came back from a 6800 mile trip and
> am very happy with the way it ran. It is a little rough on the bumps and I
> am going to try a few thing before we go again. I have added new shocks and
> sway bar bushing. I am thinking about adding 500 pounds to the front end to
> see if it helps. Any thoughts.
> My exhaust brake I s not working and I have search the web for info. I
> could use some help.
> Also the compressor on the front fire wall is dead. Does it only run the
> horns? Does my Jacobs have its own compressor. That is what it looks like in
> the back but I can not find any pictures of the model(not sure what model it
> is cause the numbers are messed up. See pic.
>
>
>
> If any one has ideas please pass them on.
>
> Also is my 8.3 coincided a c8.3 model.
> Craig 93 cont. 8.3 6sp
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39204 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/11/2018
Subject: Re: Jacobs extarder exhaust brake. [2 Attachments]
Craig,
Looking online at Jacobs, they are similar to the Pacbrake system that many of us have on our Cat engines (3126's). Regarding your question about the compressor, the large unit you've pictured is your air tank from the looks of it after enlarging the picture.  Beside it is a square box (the pressure switch) - below that looks like the compressor unit.  I know on my Cat when I turn the key on to the run position, I can hear the compressor turn on and build up air pressure until the pressure switch turns it back off - normally it only takes a minute before it's shut off again.  I'd assume that the compressor on the front firewall is indeed your air horns - do they work at all?

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA

On Saturday, August 11, 2018, 12:31:42 PM PDT, Craig Burrell technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
[Attachment(s) from Craig Burrell included below]

I have a 93 cont. with 8.3 and 6sp. Just came back from a 6800 mile trip and am very happy with the way it ran. It  is a little rough on the bumps and I am going to try a few thing before we go again. I have added new shocks and sway bar bushing. I am thinking about adding 500 pounds to the front end to see if it helps. Any thoughts.

 My exhaust brake I s not working and I have search the web for info. I could use some help.

Also the compressor on the front fire wall is dead. Does it only run the horns? Does my Jacobs have its own compressor. That is what it looks like in the back but I can not find any pictures of the model(not sure what model it is cause the numbers are messed up. See pic.

 

If any one has ideas please pass them on.

 

Also is my 8.3 coincided a c8.3 model.

Craig 93 cont. 8.3  6sp

Group: Safarifriends Message: 39240 From: chvet73 Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
First of all, I want to thank everyone for the response on my question.

I had extreme difficulty getting anyone to do this alignment and set the ride height.

I would have done the ride height myself if I had a flat piece of concrete long enough to put the Sahara on so I could do the ride height correctly. These guys were willing to take on the job and read the directions I provided for the ride height. On a slightly uneven street my measurements showed that to level the coach shims needed to come out. And that’s exactly what they did. This shop does all the local fire departments work. I saw fire trucks there when my coach was being worked on. So I went in with some confidence.

I am in agreement with everyone that they should have set the steering wheel. They obviously did not test drive it. But I do feel the alignment is most likely correct. Setting the toe is what moved the wheel.

My issue has been wandering and road rut sensitivity. I have the Tiger Trak system. Koni shocks and an unknown brand steering stabilizer. My tires are brand new. They were part of the purchase. They are not of the quality I’d like but at the moment new tires is not happening. Their brand is Sampson. I do need to check tire pressures out.

In looking into the steering issue I discovered that as I said earlier there is only one tie rod. So you can’t adjust the steering wheel with that once the toe is set.

The only other adjustment is what I would call a drag link. It runs from the pitman arm to the left wheel. It appears to me that is where the steering wheel gets adjusted. So I’m wondering if any others with the Velvet Ride Suspension agree with that. The drag link should not have any effect on alignment as I see it.

Once again thanks in advance for your help.

Mark

1999 Safari 32’
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39241 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Mark,
I've got a 96 30' Sahara, and they are known for being a challenge sometimes because of the short wheelbase.  This summer I got a pair of Centramatic Wheel balancers and installed them on the front wheels before we headed down to Disneyland, and the difference they made for me is night and day.  I only put on the front ones at the moment, but I will be installing the rear ones in the near future. 

Last year I fought with our motorhome every time a big truck passed us, and most of the time when we were meeting them head on.  This year I was able to drive with one hand comfortably - something that was foreign last year since I had to constantly play with the steering to keep going straight down the road.  One other thing that I found was that my front tire pressure was way, way too high.  The place that installed them told the previous owner that they needed to be ran at their max pressure of 120 - which was causing me a lot of road wander as well.  I dropped them down to 68 per the load chart recommendations for my rig after we weighed it front and back and side to side - again a huge difference. 

Just something for you to ponder and think about in your quest for better handling!

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA


On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 9:24:56 PM PDT, chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

First of all, I want to thank everyone for the response on my question.

I had extreme difficulty getting anyone to do this alignment and set the ride height.

I would have done the ride height myself if I had a flat piece of concrete long enough to put the Sahara on so I could do the ride height correctly. These guys were willing to take on the job and read the directions I provided for the ride height. On a slightly uneven street my measurements showed that to level the coach shims needed to come out. And that’s exactly what they did. This shop does all the local fire departments work. I saw fire trucks there when my coach was being worked on. So I went in with some confidence.

I am in agreement with everyone that they should have set the steering wheel. They obviously did not test drive it. But I do feel the alignment is most likely correct. Setting the toe is what moved the wheel.

My issue has been wandering and road rut sensitivity. I have the Tiger Trak system. Koni shocks and an unknown brand steering stabilizer. My tires are brand new. They were part of the purchase. They are not of the quality I’d like but at the moment new tires is not happening. Their brand is Sampson. I do need to check tire pressures out.

In looking into the steering issue I discovered that as I said earlier there is only one tie rod. So you can’t adjust the steering wheel with that once the toe is set.

The only other adjustment is what I would call a drag link. It runs from the pitman arm to the left wheel. It appears to me that is where the steering wheel gets adjusted. So I’m wondering if any others with the Velvet Ride Suspension agree with that. The drag link should not have any effect on alignment as I see it.

Once again thanks in advance for your help.

Mark

1999 Safari 32’

Group: Safarifriends Message: 39242 From: technolog1 Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Hey, you said you have directions  for ride height,  can you pass those one.
Craig cont 8.3c  6 sp



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: "Duane Buck dewey2501@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 8/16/18 12:56 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: "chvet73@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Align steering wheel

 

Mark,
I've got a 96 30' Sahara, and they are known for being a challenge sometimes because of the short wheelbase..  This summer I got a pair of Centramatic Wheel balancers and installed them on the front wheels before we headed down to Disneyland, and the difference they made for me is night and day.  I only put on the front ones at the moment, but I will be installing the rear ones in the near future. 

Last year I fought with our motorhome every time a big truck passed us, and most of the time when we were meeting them head on.  This year I was able to drive with one hand comfortably - something that was foreign last year since I had to constantly play with the steering to keep going straight down the road.  One other thing that I found was that my front tire pressure was way, way too high.  The place that installed them told the previous owner that they needed to be ran at their max pressure of 120 - which was causing me a lot of road wander as well.  I dropped them down to 68 per the load chart recommendations for my rig after we weighed it front and back and side to side - again a huge difference. 

Just something for you to ponder and think about in your quest for better handling!

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA


On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 9:24:56 PM PDT, chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

First of all, I want to thank everyone for the response on my question.

I had extreme difficulty getting anyone to do this alignment and set the ride height.

I would have done the ride height myself if I had a flat piece of concrete long enough to put the Sahara on so I could do the ride height correctly. These guys were willing to take on the job and read the directions I provided for the ride height. On a slightly uneven street my measurements showed that to level the coach shims needed to come out. And that’s exactly what they did. This shop does all the local fire departments work. I saw fire trucks there when my coach was being worked on. So I went in with some confidence.

I am in agreement with everyone that they should have set the steering wheel. They obviously did not test drive it. But I do feel the alignment is most likely correct. Setting the toe is what moved the wheel.

My issue has been wandering and road rut sensitivity. I have the Tiger Trak system. Koni shocks and an unknown brand steering stabilizer. My tires are brand new. They were part of the purchase. They are not of the quality I’d like but at the moment new tires is not happening. Their brand is Sampson. I do need to check tire pressures out.

In looking into the steering issue I discovered that as I said earlier there is only one tie rod. So you can’t adjust the steering wheel with that once the toe is set.

The only other adjustment is what I would call a drag link. It runs from the pitman arm to the left wheel. It appears to me that is where the steering wheel gets adjusted. So I’m wondering if any others with the Velvet Ride Suspension agree with that. The drag link should not have any effect on alignment as I see it.

Once again thanks in advance for your help.

Mark

1999 Safari 32’

Group: Safarifriends Message: 39248 From: TD Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Craig,

Look in the files section. There is a great write up, with detailed
pictures that will provide you the information you need to get the job
done. If my memory serves me correctly, the author of this article is
Lorne. Using his name in the files search might help you find it more
quickly.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 8/16/18, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Hey, you said you have directions for ride height, can you pass those
> one.Craig cont 8.3c 6 sp
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: "Duane Buck dewey2501@...
> [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> Date: 8/16/18 12:56 AM
> (GMT-06:00) To: "chvet73@... [Safarifriends]"
> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Align steering
> wheel
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> Mark,I've got a 96 30' Sahara, and they are known for being a
> challenge sometimes because of the short wheelbase.. This summer I got a
> pair of Centramatic Wheel balancers and installed them on the front wheels
> before we headed down to Disneyland, and the difference they made for me is
> night and day. I only put on the front ones at the moment, but I will be
> installing the rear ones in the near future.
>
> Last year I fought with our motorhome every time a big truck passed us, and
> most of the time when we were meeting them head on. This year I was able to
> drive with one hand comfortably - something that was foreign last year since
> I had to constantly play with the steering to keep going straight down the
> road. One other thing that I found was that my front tire pressure was way,
> way too high. The place that installed them told the previous owner that
> they needed to be ran at their max pressure of 120 - which was causing me a
> lot of road wander as well. I dropped them down to 68 per the load chart
> recommendations for my rig after we weighed it front and back and side to
> side - again a huge difference.
>
> Just something for you to ponder and think about in your quest for better
> handling!
> Duane96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spdSpokane WA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 9:24:56 PM PDT,
> chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> First of all, I want to thank everyone for the response on my
> question.
>
>
>
> I had extreme difficulty getting anyone to do this alignment and set the
> ride height.
>
>
>
> I would have done the ride height myself if I had a flat piece of concrete
> long enough to put the Sahara on so I could do the ride height correctly.
> These guys were willing to take on the job and read the directions I
> provided for the ride height. On a slightly uneven street my measurements
> showed that to level the coach shims needed to come out. And that’s exactly
> what they did. This shop does all the local fire departments work. I saw
> fire trucks there when my coach was being worked on. So I went in with some
> confidence.
>
>
>
> I am in agreement with everyone that they should have set the steering
> wheel. They obviously did not test drive it. But I do feel the alignment
> is most likely correct. Setting the toe is what moved the wheel.
>
>
>
> My issue has been wandering and road rut sensitivity. I have the Tiger Trak
> system. Koni shocks and an unknown brand steering stabilizer. My tires are
> brand new. They were part of the purchase. They are not of the quality I’d
> like but at the moment new tires is not happening. Their brand is Sampson.
> I do need to check tire pressures out.
>
>
>
> In looking into the steering issue I discovered that as I said earlier there
> is only one tie rod. So you can’t adjust the steering wheel with that once
> the toe is set.
>
>
>
> The only other adjustment is what I would call a drag link. It runs from the
> pitman arm to the left wheel. It appears to me that is where the steering
> wheel gets adjusted. So I’m wondering if any others with the Velvet Ride
> Suspension agree with that. The drag link should not have any effect on
> alignment as I see it.
>
>
>
> Once again thanks in advance for your help.
>
>
>
> Mark
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> 1999 Safari 32’
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 39520 From: TD Date: 9/5/2018
Subject: Re: Unmounted spare (was:Tire options)
Greg,

What brand shocks do you have? Shocks can add to a harsh ride...

Is your chassis an Oshkosh?
Is it leaf spring or torsional/VelvetRide suspension?

If you get me the part numbers and the brand of shocks you have now, I might be able to cross reference the numbers and find you some smoother shocks.
Bridgestone is another good quality tire that seems to age well. When you do change the tires, please have the shop inspect them for aging, inside and out, as this feed back is important, and helps us learn not only which tire brands are good, but also how well they age. All to often tire feed back is only given when they are new, and most tires behave well and ride nice when they are new, it is at the end of it's like cycle when the feed back is needed...


John
95 Safari Serengeti '38
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6spd Allison


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:00 PM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Bridgestone I believe. But I’m not near it now so.... I do like the idea of a smoother ride. That would be a big plus. Thanks for the info. 
Greg and Cheryl
1992 Safari Kenya
5.9 cummins 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2018, at 6:57 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Greg,

What brand tires do you have on your coach right now?

Yes, if your do for new tires, now is a great time to upgrade. With the 245/70R19.5 tires, you should be able to run lower tire pressures, since the tires can hold a lot more weight than the 8R19.5, this should result in a more smoother ride?

Make sure you measure your dual tire spacing to see if there is enough space to upgrade...

John
95 Safari Serengeti '38
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6spd Allison




On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:21 PM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I should stop going off memory. I’m sure the gentleman that told me the tire size earlier in this thread stated 245 not 275. My fault.  At any rate I’ll be looking for that particular tire. Mine are 8 years old but look brand new. So I’m concerned. I’ll have to crawl under the rv and take another look for a place to store a spare. I couldn’t find anything in my 92. Here’s hoping. 
Greg and Cheryl 
1992 Safari Kenya 
5.9 Cummins 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2018, at 5:40 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Greg,

As far as I know, there is no such size as 275/70R19.5, there is in a 22.5 inch wheel though.

Your closest replacement with pretty much an identical diameter tire but a bit wider, would be a 245/70R19.5  You would need to check that you have enough dual spacing, as the original is approximately 9.3 inches and the upgraded tire is about 10.7 inches, depending on the tire manufacturer. You measure from the center tread of the inner dual, to the center of the tread of the outer dual. If you have enough space, than you could upgrade to the tire size, which is very common.

If you don't have enough dual spacing, then the other alternate tire size would be 225/70R19.5  It is a bit shorter, so it will slightly affect you speedometer, but it is also a popular tire size that would be an adequate upgrade. The dual spacing for this size is approximately 10 inches.

BTW, if your tires are newer, your best bet is to carry and unmounted spare (as other have mentioned), that is what I did in my last coach. I just found a flat spot over the water tank, where the tire fit.

John
95 Safari Serengeti '38
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6spd Allison




On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:08 PM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Thanks John. I actually work for a AAA facility in central Cali. I posted later that the tire size was 8R19.5 and have been told that a 275/70r195 would be the equivalent. I’ll look into the availability of those. And I will certainly check on a hitch mounted spare. Not a bad idea. I can use a doubler when towing. I’ll also look at the other agencies offering services in addition to my AAA. 

Greg and Cheryl 
1992 Safari Kenya
5.9 Cummins. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2018, at 5:04 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Gregory,

Be aware that AAA does not cover coach service in many areas (read the fine print carefully). You are much better off using a service like Coach Net or Good Sams road service. This is all they do and they are good at it.

As for your spare? Some have mounted it on the hitch (front or back), so that is an option to consider.

BTW, what is your tire size??? Making statements like 19.5 inch tires aren't kept in stock is in accurate, as 19.5 inch wheels are very popular. My guess is that you might have an odd size like the 8R19.5, if that is the case, there are comparable tire sizes that are more popular that you could upgrade to.. They will also likely carry more weight and provide better handling. Always remember when posting, the more details, the better!

John
95 Safari Serengeti '38
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6spd Allison


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:14 PM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I’ll do that from now on. I have AAA that will come change it out. Just no basement bay large enough for a spare tire on a 92. On top it goes! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2018, at 10:36 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

<newg-reg@...> ? ?
I carry an unmounted spare tire of the correct size to fit my coach in a basement bay...AND a CoachNet membership in case I need it mounted  somewhere/anywhere while traveling.

(BTW as a courtesy to other members please sign future posts with your name and coach information).
Thanks
Mel
'96 Safari

---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <newg-reg@...> wrote :

I will strap one on the roof I suppose. No provision for a spare anywhere I can see. I was curious to see if anyone had been able to upgrade wheel/tire to something a bit more common though. Nobody in my area stocks 19.5’s 


On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:41 AM, 'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Carry a tire with you will help the worrying!


JohnC

 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat













Group: Safarifriends Message: 39521 From: gregory snell Date: 9/5/2018
Subject: Re: Unmounted spare (was:Tire options)
All good info there John. Mine is an Oshkosh chassis with leaf springs.  The shocks are bilstein like original. Probably are due to the 49000 miles on the rig. I heard they don’t give a nice ride from new. I’ll check on the part numbers. And also a great call on inspecting the used tires. I will report when I change them out. They look new no tread wear to speak of and almost no sidewall cracking(very light) visible. 
Greg and Cheryl. 
1992 Safari Kenya 
5.9 Cummins 
Oshkosh chassis 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2018, at 7:16 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Greg,

What brand shocks do you have? Shocks can add to a harsh ride...

Is your chassis an Oshkosh?
Is it leaf spring or torsional/VelvetRide suspension?

If you get me the part numbers and the brand of shocks you have now, I might be able to cross reference the numbers and find you some smoother shocks.
Bridgestone is another good quality tire that seems to age well. When you do change the tires, please have the shop inspect them for aging, inside and out, as this feed back is important, and helps us learn not only which tire brands are good, but also how well they age. All to often tire feed back is only given when they are new, and most tires behave well and ride nice when they are new, it is at the end of it's like cycle when the feed back is needed...


John
95 Safari Serengeti '38
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6spd Allison


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:00 PM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Bridgestone I believe. But I’m not near it now so.... I do like the idea of a smoother ride. That would be a big plus. Thanks for the info. 
Greg and Cheryl
1992 Safari Kenya
5.9 cummins 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2018, at 6:57 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Greg,

What brand tires do you have on your coach right now?

Yes, if your do for new tires, now is a great time to upgrade. With the 245/70R19.5 tires, you should be able to run lower tire pressures, since the tires can hold a lot more weight than the 8R19.5, this should result in a more smoother ride?

Make sure you measure your dual tire spacing to see if there is enough space to upgrade...

John
95 Safari Serengeti '38
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6spd Allison




On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:21 PM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I should stop going off memory. I’m sure the gentleman that told me the tire size earlier in this thread stated 245 not 275. My fault.  At any rate I’ll be looking for that particular tire. Mine are 8 years old but look brand new. So I’m concerned. I’ll have to crawl under the rv and take another look for a place to store a spare. I couldn’t find anything in my 92. Here’s hoping. 
Greg and Cheryl 
1992 Safari Kenya 
5.9 Cummins 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2018, at 5:40 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Greg,

As far as I know, there is no such size as 275/70R19.5, there is in a 22.5 inch wheel though.

Your closest replacement with pretty much an identical diameter tire but a bit wider, would be a 245/70R19.5  You would need to check that you have enough dual spacing, as the original is approximately 9.3 inches and the upgraded tire is about 10.7 inches, depending on the tire manufacturer. You measure from the center tread of the inner dual, to the center of the tread of the outer dual. If you have enough space, than you could upgrade to the tire size, which is very common.

If you don't have enough dual spacing, then the other alternate tire size would be 225/70R19.5  It is a bit shorter, so it will slightly affect you speedometer, but it is also a popular tire size that would be an adequate upgrade. The dual spacing for this size is approximately 10 inches.

BTW, if your tires are newer, your best bet is to carry and unmounted spare (as other have mentioned), that is what I did in my last coach. I just found a flat spot over the water tank, where the tire fit.

John
95 Safari Serengeti '38
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6spd Allison




On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:08 PM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Thanks John. I actually work for a AAA facility in central Cali. I posted later that the tire size was 8R19.5 and have been told that a 275/70r195 would be the equivalent. I’ll look into the availability of those. And I will certainly check on a hitch mounted spare. Not a bad idea. I can use a doubler when towing. I’ll also look at the other agencies offering services in addition to my AAA. 

Greg and Cheryl 
1992 Safari Kenya
5.9 Cummins. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2018, at 5:04 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Gregory,

Be aware that AAA does not cover coach service in many areas (read the fine print carefully). You are much better off using a service like Coach Net or Good Sams road service. This is all they do and they are good at it.

As for your spare? Some have mounted it on the hitch (front or back), so that is an option to consider.

BTW, what is your tire size??? Making statements like 19.5 inch tires aren't kept in stock is in accurate, as 19.5 inch wheels are very popular. My guess is that you might have an odd size like the 8R19.5, if that is the case, there are comparable tire sizes that are more popular that you could upgrade to.. They will also likely carry more weight and provide better handling. Always remember when posting, the more details, the better!

John
95 Safari Serengeti '38
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6spd Allison


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:14 PM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I’ll do that from now on. I have AAA that will come change it out. Just no basement bay large enough for a spare tire on a 92. On top it goes! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2018, at 10:36 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

<newg-reg@...> ? ?
I carry an unmounted spare tire of the correct size to fit my coach in a basement bay...AND a CoachNet membership in case I need it mounted  somewhere/anywhere while traveling.

(BTW as a courtesy to other members please sign future posts with your name and coach information).
Thanks
Mel
'96 Safari

---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <newg-reg@...> wrote :

I will strap one on the roof I suppose. No provision for a spare anywhere I can see. I was curious to see if anyone had been able to upgrade wheel/tire to something a bit more common though. Nobody in my area stocks 19.5’s 


On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:41 AM, 'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Carry a tire with you will help the worrying!


JohnC

 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat













Group: Safarifriends Message: 39745 From: lobstaboy Date: 9/29/2018
Subject: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks

I'm looking to replace the shocks on my 2000 Panther with 8 airbags. I'd prefer to use Koni FSDs. What is the proper part number for front and rear shocks. What's involved in adding the 2 extra rear shocks since my coach currently only has 2 rear shocks?


Thank you

Group: Safarifriends Message: 39748 From: TD Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Lobsatboy,

Here are the Koni FSD numbers:

Front: 8805-1004SP1

Rear: 8805-1005SP1

BTW, what issues are you having that you want a quad shock setup for
the back axle???


John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 9/29/18, lobstaboy@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> I'm looking to replace the shocks on my 2000 Panther with 8 airbags. I'd
> prefer to use Koni FSDs. What is the proper part number for front and rear
> shocks. What's involved in adding the 2 extra rear shocks since my coach
> currently only has 2 rear shocks?
>
>
> Thank you
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39753 From: Robert Lewis Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
I have a 2000 continental that has air bags and shocks, how would the shocks be replaced by airbags? Is there an airbag that acts as a dampening mechanism to replace the shocks?

Robert and Bev Lewis
2000 Continental
3126B Cat, 330hp
MD3060 Allison

On September 30, 2018 12:33:01 AM "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Lobsatboy,

Here are the Koni FSD numbers:

Front: 8805-1004SP1

Rear: 8805-1005SP1

BTW, what issues are you having that you want a quad shock setup for
the back axle???

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 9/29/18, lobstaboy@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> I'm looking to replace the shocks on my 2000 Panther with 8 airbags. I'd
> prefer to use Koni FSDs. What is the proper part number for front and rear
> shocks. What's involved in adding the 2 extra rear shocks since my coach
> currently only has 2 rear shocks?
>
>
> Thank you
>


Group: Safarifriends Message: 39754 From: TD Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Robert,

All the original poster was asking is for the part numbers for Koni
FSD shocks for his 8 air bag coach. He is not trying try eliminate his
shocks...

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


On 9/30/18, Robert Lewis robert.lewis.tl@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> I have a 2000 continental that has air bags and shocks, how would the
> shocks be replaced by airbags? Is there an airbag that acts as a dampening
> mechanism to replace the shocks?
>
> Robert and Bev Lewis
> 2000 Continental
> 3126B Cat, 330hp
> MD3060 Allison
> On September 30, 2018 12:33:01 AM "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]"
> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> Lobsatboy,
>>
>> Here are the Koni FSD numbers:
>>
>> Front: 8805-1004SP1
>>
>> Rear: 8805-1005SP1
>>
>> BTW, what issues are you having that you want a quad shock setup for
>> the back axle???
>>
>> John
>> 95 Safari Serengeti 38'
>> 300 Cummins 8.3CTA
>> 6Spd Allison
>>
>> On 9/29/18, lobstaboy@... [Safarifriends]
>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>> I'm looking to replace the shocks on my 2000 Panther with 8 airbags. I'd
>>> prefer to use Koni FSDs. What is the proper part number for front and
>>> rear
>>> shocks. What's involved in adding the 2 extra rear shocks since my coach
>>> currently only has 2 rear shocks?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>
>
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39756 From: lobstaboy Date: 9/30/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
John,

No particular issue with rear axle. I understand later model coaches had 4 rear shocks and for a time could be factory upgraded.

What's the intended purpose for the additional shocks? What's the process to add? Worth the effort?

Thank you for the part numbers
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39765 From: TD Date: 10/3/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Lobstaboy,

What later model coaches are you talking about? In '01 Safari was
bought out by Monaco, and by '02 they were building the Safari branded
coaches on Monaco's own chassis, and as far as I recall, those models
had quad shocks front and back. This was a completely different
chassis. It is possible that the '01 Safari, Magnum chassis coaches
had the quad shocks, but I'm not familiar with that. In any case, you
state that you have no issues with the rear suspension of your coach,
so I see no reason needing to go through the extra expense of
installing additional shocks. As the saying goes, if it aint broke,
don't fix it.

To answer you question why additional shocks are added? Usually the
main reason is if the original design is not adequate for ride quality
and/or ride control (handling).

To add additional shocks, you would need to fabricate additional shock
mounts on your coach. Unless you can fabricate the mounts yourself, it
won't be cheap.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


On 10/1/18, lobstaboy@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> John,
>
> No particular issue with rear axle. I understand later model coaches had 4
> rear shocks and for a time could be factory upgraded.
>
> What's the intended purpose for the additional shocks? What's the process to
> add? Worth the effort?
>
> Thank you for the part numbers
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: lobstaboy@...
> ------------------------------------
>
> Community email addresses:
> Post message: Safarifriends@onelist.com
> Subscribe: Safarifriends-subscribe@onelist.com
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> List owner: Safarifriends-owner@onelist.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
> http://www.onelist.com/community/Safarifriends
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39766 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/3/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
All he 2002 Safari branded coaches were built to a design developed by SMC (not Monaco).  The pushers for 2002 all had Magnum chassis.  Monaco's first Safari design for a coach was for the 2003 model year.  Monaco had their own chassis factory, Roadmaster, I believe.  Not sure when they dumped the Magnum chassis and switched to their own chassis.  Magnum was a subsidiary of SMC until Monaco bought SMC in the fall of 2001, several months after the 2002 models had been in production.  The Roadmaster chassis had some design problems with the trailing arms for the rear axle, as I recall. 

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:33 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Lobstaboy,

What later model coaches are you talking about? In '01 Safari was
bought out by Monaco, and by '02 they were building the Safari branded
coaches on Monaco's own chassis, and as far as I recall, those models
had quad shocks front and back. This was a completely different
chassis. It is possible that the '01 Safari, Magnum chassis coaches
had the quad shocks, but I'm not familiar with that. In any case, you
state that you have no issues with the rear suspension of your coach,
so I see no reason needing to go through the extra expense of
installing additional shocks. As the saying goes, if it aint broke,
don't fix it.

To answer you question why additional shocks are added? Usually the
main reason is if the original design is not adequate for ride quality
and/or ride control (handling).

To add additional shocks, you would need to fabricate additional shock
mounts on your coach. Unless you can fabricate the mounts yourself, it
won't be cheap.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 10/1/18, lobstaboy@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> John,
>
> No particular issue with rear axle. I understand later model coaches had 4
> rear shocks and for a time could be factory upgraded.
>
> What's the intended purpose for the additional shocks? What's the process to
> add? Worth the effort?
>
> Thank you for the part numbers
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: lobstaboy@...
> ------------------------------------
>
> Community email addresses:
> Post message: Safarifriends@onelist.com
> Subscribe: Safarifriends-subscribe@onelist.com
> Unsubscribe: Safarifriends-unsubscribe@onelist.com
> List owner: Safarifriends-owner@onelist.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
> http://www.onelist.com/community/Safarifriends
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>



--
Gary Smith
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39767 From: TD Date: 10/3/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
Gary,

That is not quite correct, it was actually a mixed bag as they were
using some of the left over Magnum chassis. For an example, fellow
member Cajun Jeff has an 02 Safari Sahara that is built by Monaco, on
Monaco's chassis. I have seen that coach with my own eyes. It is a
great and beautiful coach, but there is not much that resembles the
old Safari, not even in the interior.

As always, SMC always continues to mess with us, with all their odd
exceptions to their general norm. Lol.


John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


On 10/3/18, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> All he 2002 Safari branded coaches were built to a design developed by SMC
> (not Monaco). The pushers for 2002 all had Magnum chassis. Monaco's first
> Safari design for a coach was for the 2003 model year. Monaco had their
> own chassis factory, Roadmaster, I believe. Not sure when they dumped the
> Magnum chassis and switched to their own chassis. Magnum was a subsidiary
> of SMC until Monaco bought SMC in the fall of 2001, several months after
> the 2002 models had been in production. The Roadmaster chassis had some
> design problems with the trailing arms for the rear axle, as I recall.
>
> Gary
> '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:33 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <
> Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Lobstaboy,
>>
>> What later model coaches are you talking about? In '01 Safari was
>> bought out by Monaco, and by '02 they were building the Safari branded
>> coaches on Monaco's own chassis, and as far as I recall, those models
>> had quad shocks front and back. This was a completely different
>> chassis. It is possible that the '01 Safari, Magnum chassis coaches
>> had the quad shocks, but I'm not familiar with that. In any case, you
>> state that you have no issues with the rear suspension of your coach,
>> so I see no reason needing to go through the extra expense of
>> installing additional shocks. As the saying goes, if it aint broke,
>> don't fix it.
>>
>> To answer you question why additional shocks are added? Usually the
>> main reason is if the original design is not adequate for ride quality
>> and/or ride control (handling).
>>
>> To add additional shocks, you would need to fabricate additional shock
>> mounts on your coach. Unless you can fabricate the mounts yourself, it
>> won't be cheap.
>>
>> John
>> 95 Safari Serengeti 38'
>> 300 Cummins 8.3CTA
>> 6Spd Allison
>>
>> On 10/1/18, lobstaboy@... [Safarifriends]
>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> > John,
>> >
>> > No particular issue with rear axle. I understand later model coaches
>> > had
>> 4
>> > rear shocks and for a time could be factory upgraded.
>> >
>> > What's the intended purpose for the additional shocks? What's the
>> process to
>> > add? Worth the effort?
>> >
>> > Thank you for the part numbers
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> > Posted by: lobstaboy@...
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Community email addresses:
>> > Post message: Safarifriends@onelist.com
>> > Subscribe: Safarifriends-subscribe@onelist.com
>> > Unsubscribe: Safarifriends-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>> > List owner: Safarifriends-owner@onelist.com
>> >
>> > Shortcut URL to this page:
>> > http://www.onelist.com/community/Safarifriends
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Gary Smith*
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39769 From: Gerald Emert Date: 10/3/2018
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Panther Shocks

My 2003 Beaver Patriot Thunder has a Magnum chassis with the SMC leveling system that levels to the axles instead of going to the ground.  The chassis was made in 2002.  I'm finding out that the coach seems to have little in common with Safari coaches ebven though Beaver was owned by SMC at the time.  Mine is a tag axle 10 airbag coach built in Bend Or.  They all seem to be a mixed bag!

Jerry

2003 Beaver PT

CAT C-12


From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 3:35:58 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 2000 Safari Panther Shocks
 
 

Gary,

That is not quite correct, it was actually a mixed bag as they were
using some of the left over Magnum chassis. For an example, fellow
member Cajun Jeff has an 02 Safari Sahara that is built by Monaco, on
Monaco's chassis. I have seen that coach with my own eyes. It is a
great and beautiful coach, but there is not much that resembles the
old Safari, not even in the interior.

As always, SMC always continues to mess with us, with all their odd
exceptions to their general norm. Lol.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 10/3/18, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> All he 2002 Safari branded coaches were built to a design developed by SMC
> (not Monaco). The pushers for 2002 all had Magnum chassis. Monaco's first
> Safari design for a coach was for the 2003 model year. Monaco had their
> own chassis factory, Roadmaster, I believe. Not sure when they dumped the
> Magnum chassis and switched to their own chassis. Magnum was a subsidiary
> of SMC until Monaco bought SMC in the fall of 2001, several months after
> the 2002 models had been in production. The Roadmaster chassis had some
> design problems with the trailing arms for the rear axle, as I recall.
>
> Gary
> '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:33 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <
> Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Lobstaboy,
>>
>> What later model coaches are you talking about? In '01 Safari was
>> bought out by Monaco, and by '02 they were building the Safari branded
>> coaches on Monaco's own chassis, and as far as I recall, those models
>> had quad shocks front and back. This was a completely different
>> chassis. It is possible that the '01 Safari, Magnum chassis coaches
>> had the quad shocks, but I'm not familiar with that. In any case, you
>> state that you have no issues with the rear suspension of your coach,
>> so I see no reason needing to go through the extra expense of
>> installing additional shocks. As the saying goes, if it aint broke,
>> don't fix it.
>>
>> To answer you question why additional shocks are added? Usually the
>> main reason is if the original design is not adequate for ride quality
>> and/or ride control (handling).
>>
>> To add additional shocks, you would need to fabricate additional shock
>> mounts on your coach. Unless you can fabricate the mounts yourself, it
>> won't be cheap.
>>
>> John
>> 95 Safari Serengeti 38'
>> 300 Cummins 8.3CTA
>> 6Spd Allison
>>
>> On 10/1/18, lobstaboy@... [Safarifriends]
>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> > John,
>> >
>> > No particular issue with rear axle. I understand later model coaches
>> > had
>> 4
>> > rear shocks and for a time could be factory upgraded.
>> >
>> > What's the intended purpose for the additional shocks? What's the
>> process to
>> > add? Worth the effort?
>> >
>> > Thank you for the part numbers
>> >
>> >
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 39810 From: Bill Edwards Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
I am sorry the size for bolt head on shocks is 1 1/8 not 1 1/2

Bill Edwards
1999 Panther
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39811 From: TD Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Gary,

If memory serves me correctly, you would need an inch and 1/8 socket.

Also, for anyone that is interested, I have a pair of Koni shocks,
part number 88-1458SP2, for sale. The fit all Safari coaches with
Magnum chassis. These shocks are very lightly used and it great shape.
The only reason I'm selling them is because I switched to a smoother
shock (88-1458SP1). If anyone wants more information on the smoother
rear shocks, let me know and I will do a write up when I have a
chance.

I'm asking $150 for the pair (2 shocks), + shipping.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd

On 10/18/18, dxglt7vmt7nktddledmrvop5iqecv374okug67ap@...
[Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Anyone know the bolt head size for the shock mounts?
>
>
>
> Gary
> '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT
>
>
>
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39815 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Thanks, Bill. I wasn't sure I had a socket (impact or regular) that would be big enough, but my caliper measurement led me to believe 1 1/16" also.  Found out it is only a nut, but still held the original Bilstein shocks in place.  Now has Koni on the front.  Tackle the rears in next few days.  The Bilsteins could be extended or collapsed by hand with no problem, but very difficult to get the Koni extended to fit the distance of the studs that hold them.  Hope the ride improves!

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:20 AM Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I am sorry the size for bolt head on shocks is 1 1/8 not 1 1/2

Bill Edwards
1999 Panther


--
Gary Smith
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39816 From: TD Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Gary,

From what you are describing, your Bilstein shocks are toast. If your
new Koni shocks are 88-1641SP3, then you will feel a huge improvement
compared to the worn out Bilsteins. I'm guessing you must have had a
lot of porpoising with the old shocks


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd

On 10/18/18, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Bill. I wasn't sure I had a socket (impact or regular) that would
> be big enough, but my caliper measurement led me to believe 1 1/16" also.
> Found out it is only a nut, but still held the original Bilstein shocks in
> place. Now has Koni on the front. Tackle the rears in next few days. The
> Bilsteins could be extended or collapsed by hand with no problem, but very
> difficult to get the Koni extended to fit the distance of the studs that
> hold them. Hope the ride improves!
>
> Gary
> '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:20 AM Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@...
> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry the size for bolt head on shocks is 1 1/8 not 1 1/2
>>
>> Bill Edwards
>> 1999 Panther
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Gary Smith*
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39817 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
John,
The Bilstein shocks are very flimsy compared to the Koni. Also worn out.   I put 88-1641SP3 on the front.  Have 88-1458SP1 for rear.  Have a bit more suspension work to go beyond that, but I believe the shocks were the big component.    Glad I had a 20T bottle jack to fine tune the distance between mounting posts to match the Koni spacing.  Only so much you can do using the RVA jacks when it comes to trying to fine tune clearances.

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:16 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Gary,

From what you are describing, your Bilstein shocks are toast. If your
new Koni shocks are 88-1641SP3, then you will feel a huge improvement
compared to the worn out Bilsteins. I'm guessing you must have had a
lot of porpoising with the old shocks

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd

On 10/18/18, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Bill. I wasn't sure I had a socket (impact or regular) that would
> be big enough, but my caliper measurement led me to believe 1 1/16" also.
> Found out it is only a nut, but still held the original Bilstein shocks in
> place. Now has Koni on the front. Tackle the rears in next few days. The
> Bilsteins could be extended or collapsed by hand with no problem, but very
> difficult to get the Koni extended to fit the distance of the studs that
> hold them. Hope the ride improves!
>
> Gary
> '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:20 AM Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@...
> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry the size for bolt head on shocks is 1 1/8 not 1 1/2
>>
>> Bill Edwards
>> 1999 Panther
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Gary Smith*
>



--
Gary Smith
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39818 From: Dave Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Hi all!
Interesting thread to come upon...

I have had quite the experience tuning the ride on my newly acquired ‘98 Sahara Safari ( 32’); replacing the shocks with adjustable Koni front and rear has been a key part!
One of the problems was a severe porpoise- one of the previous owners had doubled up the front shocks - that’s 4 shocks- but ones with inadequate rebound dampening. The Koni replacements, set to the stiffest setting, did away with the front end up and down motion...and replacing the rears took care of what I thought was axle hop which was shaking the rear of the coach to pieces!
Other items attributing to poor handling has been cheap tires ( too stiff sidewalls), overinflated fronts for the weight carried and ‘unbalanced ‘ airbag inflation.
The ride is way better than before and on newly surfaced roads is a dream! But it does tend to wander a bit, which may be a toe in issue...next stop will be a truck alignment shop, I guess.
Best
Dave in Esmont, Va
KM6SWL

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2018, at 7:56 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Gary,

From what you are describing, your Bilstein shocks are toast. If your
new Koni shocks are 88-1641SP3, then you will feel a huge improvement
compared to the worn out Bilsteins. I'm guessing you must have had a
lot of porpoising with the old shocks

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd

On 10/18/18, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Bill. I wasn't sure I had a socket (impact or regular) that would
> be big enough, but my caliper measurement led me to believe 1 1/16" also.
> Found out it is only a nut, but still held the original Bilstein shocks in
> place. Now has Koni on the front. Tackle the rears in next few days. The
> Bilsteins could be extended or collapsed by hand with no problem, but very
> difficult to get the Koni extended to fit the distance of the studs that
> hold them. Hope the ride improves!
>
> Gary
> '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:20 AM Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@...
> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry the size for bolt head on shocks is 1 1/8 not 1 1/2
>>
>> Bill Edwards
>> 1999 Panther
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Gary Smith*
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 39819 From: TD Date: 10/18/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Dave,

In case you don't have them, here are the most up to date alignment
specs that you need to give the alignment shop, otherwise they will
give you a generic guess, as most shops don't have the Safari
alignment specs.
Caster and toe is crucial if your coach wanders. Also have them check
the king pins, even the smallest play will make the tail wag the
dog...

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster (4.5 absolute minimum, if coach tends
to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred)
If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +0.5 degrees more can be
increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable,
unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need
adjustment)

.125 to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road
.25" is preferred)

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On 10/18/18, Dave webguydave@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Hi all!
> Interesting thread to come upon...
>
> I have had quite the experience tuning the ride on my newly acquired ‘98
> Sahara Safari ( 32’); replacing the shocks with adjustable Koni front and
> rear has been a key part!
> One of the problems was a severe porpoise- one of the previous owners had
> doubled up the front shocks - that’s 4 shocks- but ones with inadequate
> rebound dampening. The Koni replacements, set to the stiffest setting, did
> away with the front end up and down motion...and replacing the rears took
> care of what I thought was axle hop which was shaking the rear of the coach
> to pieces!
> Other items attributing to poor handling has been cheap tires ( too stiff
> sidewalls), overinflated fronts for the weight carried and ‘unbalanced ‘
> airbag inflation.
> The ride is way better than before and on newly surfaced roads is a dream!
> But it does tend to wander a bit, which may be a toe in issue...next stop
> will be a truck alignment shop, I guess.
> Best
> Dave in Esmont, Va
> KM6SWL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 18, 2018, at 7:56 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> From what you are describing, your Bilstein shocks are toast. If your
>> new Koni shocks are 88-1641SP3, then you will feel a huge improvement
>> compared to the worn out Bilsteins. I'm guessing you must have had a
>> lot of porpoising with the old shocks
>>
>> John
>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
>> 6spd
>>
>> On 10/18/18, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> > Thanks, Bill. I wasn't sure I had a socket (impact or regular) that
>> > would
>> > be big enough, but my caliper measurement led me to believe 1 1/16"
>> > also.
>> > Found out it is only a nut, but still held the original Bilstein shocks
>> > in
>> > place. Now has Koni on the front. Tackle the rears in next few days.
>> > The
>> > Bilsteins could be extended or collapsed by hand with no problem, but
>> > very
>> > difficult to get the Koni extended to fit the distance of the studs
>> > that
>> > hold them. Hope the ride improves!
>> >
>> > Gary
>> > '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:20 AM Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@...
>> > [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I am sorry the size for bolt head on shocks is 1 1/8 not 1 1/2
>> >>
>> >> Bill Edwards
>> >> 1999 Panther
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Gary Smith*
>> >
>>
>>
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39822 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/19/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
1-1/8" is correct.  Fat fingers on my part.

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:16 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Gary,

From what you are describing, your Bilstein shocks are toast. If your
new Koni shocks are 88-1641SP3, then you will feel a huge improvement
compared to the worn out Bilsteins. I'm guessing you must have had a
lot of porpoising with the old shocks

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd

On 10/18/18, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Bill. I wasn't sure I had a socket (impact or regular) that would
> be big enough, but my caliper measurement led me to believe 1 1/16" also.
> Found out it is only a nut, but still held the original Bilstein shocks in
> place. Now has Koni on the front. Tackle the rears in next few days. The
> Bilsteins could be extended or collapsed by hand with no problem, but very
> difficult to get the Koni extended to fit the distance of the studs that
> hold them. Hope the ride improves!
>
> Gary
> '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:20 AM Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@...
> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry the size for bolt head on shocks is 1 1/8 not 1 1/2
>>
>> Bill Edwards
>> 1999 Panther
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Gary Smith*
>



--
Gary Smith
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39826 From: TD Date: 10/19/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Bob,

I have no specs for the Evo99 shocks, so even though it may be a good
shock, without knowing the dampening specs, there is no way to know if
the shocks will be as effective as the ones we currently use, and at
$195 per shock, that is an expensive risk to take.

If you are replacing your front shocks, make sure you order by part mumber:
88-1641SP3

Here are two companies that I ordered from, both were great to deal
with, and have free shipping.

https://www.ultrarvproducts.com/Koni-88-1641SP3-Country-Coach-Freightliner-Neway-IFS-Front-Spartan-Summit-Alpine-Front

http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/country-coach/881641sp3/i-2440360.aspx

If you are getting rear shocks also, I would recommend Koni part
number 88-1458SP1 instead of 88-1458SP2, it is a much smoother shock
with pretty much the same effective dampening control.
Also, be aware that even though these shocks are called Koni Reds, the
can come in any different color. I have had red, black and school bus
orange. I guess what ever paint is on sale that is what color you will
get. Lol.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On 10/19/18, fountking@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> John I was thinking about upgrading my konis to the sp3 koni .
> Shock warehouse didn't list them and when I asked them they said were
> replaced by evo 99b 3254. The price is $195 each. The evo is a heavier shock
> for buses . It sounds like it is similar to the fsd shock
> Haven't pushed the buy button yet.
> LBT still list the sp3 shock
>
> Bob 96 Serengeti
>
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 39827 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/20/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
LTB is showing the 88-1641SP3 @ $140 each, free shipping.  I ordered mine last spring.  The 88-1458SP1 I ordered about a week ago from them.  Both items were drop shipped directly from Koni.  The 1641SP3 were red.  The 1458SP1 are yellow.  Both are fully adjustable, but the instruction sheet included in each box is rather generic and not at all helpful in how to do that adjustment.  I found a couple reliable videos on YouTube, but obtained the most help on how to set them up initially from the former owner of a shop that worked on RVs and was routinely at FMCA shows in the Koni booth doing the selling and installing.  He suggest tightening them down to maximum to begin with.  While they are adjustable, you basically have to remove them to change the adjustment.  Don't recall any adjustment recommendations here on SF. 

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CATh

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:29 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Bob,

I have no specs for the Evo99 shocks, so even though it may be a good
shock, without knowing the dampening specs, there is no way to know if
the shocks will be as effective as the ones we currently use, and at
$195 per shock, that is an expensive risk to take.

If you are replacing your front shocks, make sure you order by part mumber:
88-1641SP3

Here are two companies that I ordered from, both were great to deal
with, and have free shipping.

https://www.ultrarvproducts.com/Koni-88-1641SP3-Country-Coach-Freightliner-Neway-IFS-Front-Spartan-Summit-Alpine-Front

http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/country-coach/881641sp3/i-2440360.aspx

If you are getting rear shocks also, I would recommend Koni part
number 88-1458SP1 instead of 88-1458SP2, it is a much smoother shock
with pretty much the same effective dampening control.
Also, be aware that even though these shocks are called Koni Reds, the
can come in any different color. I have had red, black and school bus
orange. I guess what ever paint is on sale that is what color you will
get. Lol.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On 10/19/18, fountking@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> John I was thinking about upgrading my konis to the sp3 koni .
> Shock warehouse didn't list them and when I asked them they said were
> replaced by evo 99b 3254. The price is $195 each. The evo is a heavier shock
> for buses . It sounds like it is similar to the fsd shock
> Haven't pushed the buy button yet.
> LBT still list the sp3 shock
>
> Bob 96 Serengeti
>
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 39828 From: TD Date: 10/20/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Gary,

I have in the past, and still do recommend to adjust the shocks to
maximum dampening, right from the get go, especially if one drives on
rough roads (they come set from factory with least dampening). A few
members in the past have disagreed with me, so I just mention it if
someone asks. From my experience, maximum dampening is what works
really well. Also, many may not realize, but the adjustment only
changes dampening on rebound (extension), which does not cause a
harsher ride, but DOES give much more stability.

The adjustment is not difficult, you just have to be careful not to
turn hard against the stop. Meaning, as you turn the shock while
adjusting it, once it stops, don't keep cranking on it, as this can
damage the internals.

If you set your shocks at max, I'm sure you will be pretty impressed
and very happy with the massive improvement you will notice.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On 10/20/18, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> LTB is showing the 88-1641SP3 @ $140 each, free shipping. I ordered mine
> last spring. The 88-1458SP1 I ordered about a week ago from them. Both
> items were drop shipped directly from Koni. The 1641SP3 were red. The
> 1458SP1 are yellow. Both are fully adjustable, but the instruction sheet
> included in each box is rather generic and not at all helpful in how to do
> that adjustment. I found a couple reliable videos on YouTube, but obtained
> the most help on how to set them up initially from the former owner of a
> shop that worked on RVs and was routinely at FMCA shows in the Koni booth
> doing the selling and installing. He suggest tightening them down to
> maximum to begin with. While they are adjustable, you basically have to
> remove them to change the adjustment. Don't recall any adjustment
> recommendations here on SF.
>
> Gary
> '98 Sahara 3006 300CATh
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:29 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <
> Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I have no specs for the Evo99 shocks, so even though it may be a good
>> shock, without knowing the dampening specs, there is no way to know if
>> the shocks will be as effective as the ones we currently use, and at
>> $195 per shock, that is an expensive risk to take.
>>
>> If you are replacing your front shocks, make sure you order by part
>> mumber:
>> 88-1641SP3
>>
>> Here are two companies that I ordered from, both were great to deal
>> with, and have free shipping.
>>
>>
>> https://www.ultrarvproducts.com/Koni-88-1641SP3-Country-Coach-Freightliner-Neway-IFS-Front-Spartan-Summit-Alpine-Front
>>
>>
>> http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/country-coach/881641sp3/i-2440360.aspx
>>
>> If you are getting rear shocks also, I would recommend Koni part
>> number 88-1458SP1 instead of 88-1458SP2, it is a much smoother shock
>> with pretty much the same effective dampening control.
>> Also, be aware that even though these shocks are called Koni Reds, the
>> can come in any different color. I have had red, black and school bus
>> orange. I guess what ever paint is on sale that is what color you will
>> get. Lol.
>>
>> John
>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
>> 6spd.
>>
>> On 10/19/18, fountking@... [Safarifriends]
>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> > John I was thinking about upgrading my konis to the sp3 koni .
>> > Shock warehouse didn't list them and when I asked them they said were
>> > replaced by evo 99b 3254. The price is $195 each. The evo is a heavier
>> shock
>> > for buses . It sounds like it is similar to the fsd shock
>> > Haven't pushed the buy button yet.
>> > LBT still list the sp3 shock
>> >
>> > Bob 96 Serengeti
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> > Posted by: fountking@...
>> > ------------------------------------
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 39829 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/20/2018
Subject: Re: Changing Shocks - Magnum Velvet-Ride Chassis
Thanks, John.  That is exactly what I am doing. 

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:05 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Gary,

I have in the past, and still do recommend to adjust the shocks to
maximum dampening, right from the get go, especially if one drives on
rough roads (they come set from factory with least dampening). A few
members in the past have disagreed with me, so I just mention it if
someone asks. From my experience, maximum dampening is what works
really well. Also, many may not realize, but the adjustment only
changes dampening on rebound (extension), which does not cause a
harsher ride, but DOES give much more stability.

The adjustment is not difficult, you just have to be careful not to
turn hard against the stop. Meaning, as you turn the shock while
adjusting it, once it stops, don't keep cranking on it, as this can
damage the internals.

If you set your shocks at max, I'm sure you will be pretty impressed
and very happy with the massive improvement you will notice.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On 10/20/18, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> LTB is showing the 88-1641SP3 @ $140 each, free shipping. I ordered mine
> last spring. The 88-1458SP1 I ordered about a week ago from them. Both
> items were drop shipped directly from Koni. The 1641SP3 were red. The
> 1458SP1 are yellow. Both are fully adjustable, but the instruction sheet
> included in each box is rather generic and not at all helpful in how to do
> that adjustment. I found a couple reliable videos on YouTube, but obtained
> the most help on how to set them up initially from the former owner of a
> shop that worked on RVs and was routinely at FMCA shows in the Koni booth
> doing the selling and installing. He suggest tightening them down to
> maximum to begin with. While they are adjustable, you basically have to
> remove them to change the adjustment. Don't recall any adjustment
> recommendations here on SF.
>
> Gary
> '98 Sahara 3006 300CATh
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:29 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <
> Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I have no specs for the Evo99 shocks, so even though it may be a good
>> shock, without knowing the dampening specs, there is no way to know if
>> the shocks will be as effective as the ones we currently use, and at
>> $195 per shock, that is an expensive risk to take.
>>
>> If you are replacing your front shocks, make sure you order by part
>> mumber:
>> 88-1641SP3
>>
>> Here are two companies that I ordered from, both were great to deal
>> with, and have free shipping.
>>
>>
>> https://www.ultrarvproducts.com/Koni-88-1641SP3-Country-Coach-Freightliner-Neway-IFS-Front-Spartan-Summit-Alpine-Front
>>
>>
>> http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/country-coach/881641sp3/i-2440360.aspx
>>
>> If you are getting rear shocks also, I would recommend Koni part
>> number 88-1458SP1 instead of 88-1458SP2, it is a much smoother shock
>> with pretty much the same effective dampening control.
>> Also, be aware that even though these shocks are called Koni Reds, the
>> can come in any different color. I have had red, black and school bus
>> orange. I guess what ever paint is on sale that is what color you will
>> get. Lol.
>>
>> John
>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
>> 6spd.
>>
>> On 10/19/18, fountking@... [Safarifriends]
>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> > John I was thinking about upgrading my konis to the sp3 koni .
>> > Shock warehouse didn't list them and when I asked them they said were
>> > replaced by evo 99b 3254. The price is $195 each. The evo is a heavier
>> shock
>> > for buses . It sounds like it is similar to the fsd shock
>> > Haven't pushed the buy button yet.
>> > LBT still list the sp3 shock
>> >
>> > Bob 96 Serengeti
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 39921 From: rob shelton Date: 11/2/2018
Subject: 1998 safari serengeti, 38'
Friends, I am wanting to downsize my rv for a class c. My better half doesn't feel comfortable driving the bus. It has app. 38,000 miles on it. We have owned it a little over five years and have only put about 15000 miles on it. I have made numerous upgrades including koni shocks, dual radius rods in the front, one each side, one new air conditioner, a residential refrigerator, ice maker kit in the u-line. It has two added fuel tanks for total of 200 gals fuel, 50 gals of propane, big tanks. Front windshield and side curtains, new (3 years old) convection, microwave, lcd tv in front, tires new when purchased, step motor replaced, sway bar, bushings, and end links, generator has been changed out for newer model. Roof recoated 3 years past. Ceiling shows some stains from older leaks, none since we have owned it. upholstery original, but very nice, original matching bedspread, new hot water tank last year. It has the hurricane heating system, electric awning, Awnings all around had new fabric last year. Freshly serviced, belts and hoses radiator, flushed 3 years ago, Transmission serviced 3 years ago. New compressor for horn and pac brake. As you can see we have tried to maintain it to keep it ready for extensive road trips we never got to do, health issues,etc. We would like 25,000 for it. We are presently located in MIssion, Tx., and motorhome in under rv port at our home. We have always kept it under cover. I will send pics to anyone interested. It does have the east-west queen size bed, side bath with two exits, ceramic tile in kitchen, bath, hall area. Carpet had been changed before us. Drives like a dream, dash air works! Satilite dish(direct tv) manual point on the roof, we cut the service off and removed receiver. Winegard antenae with booster, no radio, cb. If interested call or email, Rob shelton 254-223-3225, rrshelton2@.......300 cat, 6sp allison,38 foot side intrance.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40175 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/6/2018
Subject: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar

Does anyone know the shocks that can be used with a 2000 Safari Zanzibar. I went to Freightliner today and they needed to know the chassis and what they called a shock number. I suppose they wanted the serial # for the recommended shocks on my RV. Any advice would be appreciated,


Thanks,

Robert and CJ

Group: Safarifriends Message: 40176 From: TD Date: 12/6/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
Robert,

You didn't state if you have VelvetRide or the 8 airbag suspension. If you do have VelvetRide, than these are the Koni shock numbers you need. If you have the 8 airbag suspension, than disregard the numbers and let me know.
Note: These shocks are adjustable, so for best results, be sure to have your shop adjust the shocks to the maximum dampening. The come from the factory, set at least dampening, but they do include instructions on how to adjust them, so make sure the shop adjusts them...

Important Note: These shocks need to be ordered by part number, not by year/model/suspension! Otherwise you will end up with expensive, ineffective shocks.

Front: 88-1641SP3

Rear: 88-1458SP1

Here are the links to the shocks you need to order, this company usually has the best prices an and free shipping. I ordered my last pair of shocks from them last spring.


I just noticed that this company says that they are closed tomorrow for inventory review, but they will be back open on Monday to ship internet orders the received Friday. If you are in a hurry than google LTB Auto sports and type the shock numbers in. They also have similar prices and free shipping.

BTW, I have a pair of slightly used Koni shocks for the rear of the coach that I can sell for $150 for the pair, plus shipping. These shocks cost $140.71 a piece new, so you could save yourself a bit over $100. There is nothing wrong with them, I just switched them out to a smoother shock. Being that you have a heavier coach than mine, it should not make much of a difference for you, so if you want to save some money, I can ship them out tomorrow, if not, that's no problem.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6spd Allison

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:30 PM robertcosmar@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Does anyone know the shocks that can be used with a 2000 Safari Zanzibar. I went to Freightliner today and they needed to know the chassis and what they called a shock number. I suppose they wanted the serial # for the recommended shocks on my RV. Any advice would be appreciated,


Thanks,

Robert and CJ



Group: Safarifriends Message: 40179 From: joneshd3488 Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
I just replaced my 2000 Zanzibar shocks in September.  These are the Koni Front and Rear shocks available from Shock Warehouse. 



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note8, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "robertcosmar@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 12/6/18 9:30 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar

 

Does anyone know the shocks that can be used with a 2000 Safari Zanzibar. I went to Freightliner today and they needed to know the chassis and what they called a shock number. I suppose they wanted the serial # for the recommended shocks on my RV. Any advice would be appreciated,


Thanks,

Robert and CJ

Group: Safarifriends Message: 40180 From: joneshd3488 Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
Oh, and BTW, the 2000 Zanzibar is a 4 Bag suspension...neither Velvet Ride, nor 8 Bag.



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-------- Original message --------
From: "robertcosmar@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 12/6/18 9:30 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar

 

Does anyone know the shocks that can be used with a 2000 Safari Zanzibar. I went to Freightliner today and they needed to know the chassis and what they called a shock number. I suppose they wanted the serial # for the recommended shocks on my RV. Any advice would be appreciated,


Thanks,

Robert and CJ

Group: Safarifriends Message: 40182 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
John,

We had heard that Bilstein shocks are better than Koni for our RV, any thoughts?

Robert
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40183 From: mel96safari Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Bilstein (was: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar)
Robert
If you decide to use the Bilstein shocks I suggest you determine whether your Zansibar has the 4 bag or 8 bag air suspension.. then see Safari (Beaver and Magnum chassis) Motorhomes on page 3 of this pdf: https://cart.bilsteinus.com/portals/0/PDF/BILSTEIN_Motorhome.pdf
(or call Bilstein @ 800-537-1085).

BTW the original Bilstein shocks on my coach lasted 18 years,134,000 miles.
Mel
'96 Sahara 3530



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <robertcosmar@...> wrote :

John,

We had heard that Bilstein shocks are better than Koni for our RV, any thoughts?

Robert
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40187 From: TD Date: 12/7/2018
Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar [1 Attachment]
Attachments :
    Joneshd3488,

    I am sorry to say, but the front shocks (88-1490SP2) you ended up purchasing, are the ineffective outdated ones that we often try to warn members not to purchase. If you search this group, you will find numerous posts over the last 4 or 5 years regarding this topic and warnings to buy the correct shocks. If you travel in areas of the country that have a lot of heaves and poor bridge transitions, you will notice that your coach will still have a tendency to sway and porpoise, even though you have new shocks. If one uses 88-1641SP3, the sway and porpoising is literally eliminated, without sacrificing ride comfort. You at a minimum need to set your front shocks to the maximum dampening setting, this will help for a little while, but will still be inadequate, especially as the shock will naturally fatigue with age. Even though the 4 airbag suspensions, like you have, are a bit less prone to porpoising, the shocks still make a huge difference in sway control, without sacrificing ride comfort. The numbers I have posted numerous times apply to all 4 air bag suspensions, VelvetRide-torsion spring suspensions, and leaf spring suspensions. This includes the earlier Oshkosh chassis too. The only few exceptions are the Trek models, and the 8 airbag suspensions. The Kalahari models I'm not sure about, if they are on a GM chassis, then they are excluded also.

    Also, even though, with a heavier coach like yours, the difference is not that big, the rear shocks you bought are a bit harsher on the high frequency-jarring bumps. The 88-1458SP1 is smoother than the 88-1458SP2, but again this is more noticeable on older coaches which are lighter.
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and this is why I try to post regarding this quite often. I wish you would have asked on this group, like Bob just did.

    Bob and other members, please, DO NOT BUY THE 88-1490SP2 SHOCKS, as it will be a waist of your hard earned money. With an exception for the 8 airbag air ride coaches, everyone must order their shocks by part numbers posted on this group, NOT by make, model, chassis of your coach, otherwise you WILL end up with the wrong INEFFECTIVE shocks. You have been warned, the choice is yours...    

    So, to recap. The correct part number for our coaches, that do not have the 8 airbag suspension, are:

    Front: 88-1641SP3

    Rear: 88-1458SP1

    John
    95 Safari Serengeti 38'
    300 Cummins 8.3CTA
    6spd Allison


    On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 9:14 AM joneshd3488 joneshd3488@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    [Attachment(s) from joneshd3488 included below]

    I just replaced my 2000 Zanzibar shocks in September.  These are the Koni Front and Rear shocks available from Shock Warehouse. 



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    -------- Original message --------
    Date: 12/6/18 9:30 PM (GMT-06:00)
    Subject: [Safarifriends] shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar

     

    Does anyone know the shocks that can be used with a 2000 Safari Zanzibar. I went to Freightliner today and they needed to know the chassis and what they called a shock number. I suppose they wanted the serial # for the recommended shocks on my RV. Any advice would be appreciated,


    Thanks,

    Robert and CJ



    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40188 From: TD Date: 12/7/2018
    Subject: Re: shocks for a 2000 Safari Zanzibar
    Robert,

    You need to find out if your coach has 4 airbags or 8 airbags. Since you say Reyco suspension, it is likely a 4 airbag suspension, but you need to get under the coach and look. each corner will either have 1 or 2 airbags.

    Does you coach bottom out, or is it just very harsh on the high frequency-jarring bumps???
    If it bottoms out, I would check ride height for sure. On the air ride systems, it is not that difficult to adjust ride height. If you have ride height or other suspension issues, the shocks won't resolve the problem

    You also asked if Bilstein shocks are better. I doubt it. To have a smooth ride on a heavy chassis, like on RVs and busses, the shocks need a lot of dampening on extension, and little dampening on compression. Bilstein shocks are a mono tube, high pressure gas shock that usually have a lot of dampening on compression. A lot of dampening on compression causes a very unpleasant, harsh ride, especially on the high frequency-harsh pumps, like bridge transitions, expansion joint, pot holes, etc.
    I suggest the same shocks as when I replies to you initially, but the choice is yours.

    What shocks do you have on their right now? The brand should be stamped by the part number, if not, what color are they?

    John
    95 Safari Serengeti 38'
    300 Cummins 8.3CTA
    6spd Allison

    On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 9:18 AM robertcosmar@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    Hi John,

    Thanks for the help. I looked in my manual and it says it has a Reyco Air system or air bags and described where they were placed behind each axle. Our rear end hits very hard when going over bumps.

    Sincerely,
    Robert


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40189 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/7/2018
    Subject: shock installation

    When it comes to installing shocks on an RV can Freightliner and most truck shops do the installation properly on an RV?


    Thanks,

    Robert

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40190 From: TD Date: 12/7/2018
    Subject: Re: shock installation
    Bob,

    Yes, it is a simple procedure that you can even do yourself. Air tools do help, but are not a must.

    John
    95 Safari Serengeti 38'
    300 Cummins 8.3CTA
    6spd Allison

    On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 1:59 PM robertcosmar@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    When it comes to installing shocks on an RV can Freightliner and most truck shops do the installation properly on an RV?


    Thanks,

    Robert



    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40192 From: sandlb@bellsouth.net Date: 12/7/2018
    Subject: Re: shock installation
    I just replaced the shocks on my 94 Safari Continental required a 11/8 " socket,24" breaker bar and a little lubricant. I did use my dremel to cut the lower shock mount to get it off the stud that being said any truck shop should not have any problem with replacing them.


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40196 From: mel96safari Date: 12/8/2018
    Subject: Re: shock installation
    Robert
    Getting shocks installed properly is not the problem... (any shop can/will do it).

    The problem is getting shocks that are compatible with your particular chassis/suspension.

    Mel
    '96 Sahara, 3530, Magnum Blue Streak chassis

    ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <robertcosmar@...> wrote :

    When it comes to installing shocks on an RV can Freightliner and most truck shops do the installation properly on an RV?


    Thanks,

    Robert

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40197 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/8/2018
    Subject: Gabriel Shocks

    Talked to Freightliner this morning. They do not carry Koni or Bilstein shocks. They recommend Gabriel as this is the brand they put on their trucks. Any suggestions or opinions on this? The have shocks comparable to the koni shocks John recommended.


    Sincerely,

    Robert and CJ




    2000 Safari Zanzibar



    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40198 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/8/2018
    Subject: Re: Gabriel Shocks
    WOW .  You really don't care what works on a truck.

    The fact that they said that indicates a lack of knowledge of suspensions and RV suspensions in particular.

    IF (big IF) a particular truck had the same axle weight and same suspension, and same pin to pin dimension, truck and RV shocks MAY be interchangeable.  Want to bet on the chances of that??
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40200 From: TD Date: 12/8/2018
    Subject: Re: Gabriel Shocks
    Robert,

    I never cared for the Gabriel brand, never had good luck with them, and many in my neck of the woods use to consider them as the "welfare'' brand of shocks. To be fair, my experience with those shocks was only in light duty, not their commercial duty line.
    That said, even if they are a good shock, I have no idea of the type of valving (hydraulic dampening) they use. No one company is the same. The fact of the matter is, at least 95% of Safari owners use not only the Koni shocks, but a very particular Koni shock, that has had a TON of real life research behind it, and a TON of real life miles put on it by the MAJORITY of members of this group. That should tell you something.
    Another thought to consider, you have a, kind of, unique coach, that the shop is obviously not familiar with, so there is NOTHING WRONG with YOU buying your own shocks, over the internet and having them install the shocks (you can use the links I provided to buy them). If they don't want satisfy their "customer" and let you do that, than I would suggest to find another shop that would be willing to change your shocks. Heck, even a mobile mechanic could change them for you. It basically boils down to, it's your coach, and if you care about your coach and your ride quality that is potentially at stake, so you might want to consider being proactive.
    Speaking of proactive, I also strongly suggest that you go to the files section, find the file posted by David Bleddy (thank you David), labeled " Magnum Chassis Air Bag Ride Height.pdf " , print it out and bring it to the shop, to have them properly check for ride height. From what you stated earlier, I think it is crucial that you have this done, plus this should be checked periodically anyway.

    Please don't take this blunt post the wrong way, I don't mean to sound rude or disrespectful, but I am trying to be blunt to get the point across and make you understand, ultimately, the decision is yours. For our RV application, I cannot and will not recommend anything but Koni brand, with the particular part numbers mentioned previously.

    Also, I fully agree with what Brett stated, regarding the truck suspensions vs coach suspensions. Brett is extremely knowledgeable with these coaches and the suspensions and diesel engines, and has been at it, helping RV owners, here and at FMCA, a very very long time.

    John
    95 Safari Serengeti 38'
    300 Cummins 8.3CTA
    6spd Allison

    On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 10:49 AM robertcosmar@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    Talked to Freightliner this morning. They do not carry Koni or Bilstein shocks. They recommend Gabriel as this is the brand they put on their trucks. Any suggestions or opinions on this? The have shocks comparable to the koni shocks John recommended.


    Sincerely,

    Robert and CJ




    2000 Safari Zanzibar





    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40201 From: robertcosmar Date: 12/8/2018
    Subject: Re: Gabriel Shocks
    No offense taken John, I want the experience of those who have more knowledge then me. Can you recommend a distributor on the net that sells those shocks you recommended. I contacted shock warehouse and they give different shock numbers for our 2000 Safari Zanzibar. They recommend (F 88-1490SP2) and (R 88-1458SP2) for our 4 bag suspension. They did not show the numbers you recommended to me and I want to get them.

    Thanks,
    Robert
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 40202 From: TD Date: 12/8/2018
    Subject: Re: Gabriel Shocks
    Robert,

    I posted the links in my initial post, but hear they are again.

    Front shocks:

    I specifically instruct to order by part number, meaning, you don't even tell them what coach you have, you just order the part number. If they give you a hard time, you just tell them that you are building a custom project and this is what you need. Period, end of story. If they still give you a hard time, buy elsewhere...

    I was able to look up the correct numbers on shock warehouse, but the only list the rear shocks. They have them on sale for $127, which is about $14 less per shock then other vendors.
    Rear shocks:

    John
    95 Safari Serengeti 38'
    300 Cummins 8.3CTA
    6spd Allison

    On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 12:15 PM robertcosmar@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    No offense taken John, I want the experience of those who have more knowledge then me. Can you recommend a distributor on the net that sells those shocks you recommended. I contacted shock warehouse and they give different shock numbers for our 2000 Safari Zanzibar. They recommend (F 88-1490SP2) and (R 88-1458SP2) for our 4 bag suspension. They did not show the numbers you recommended to me and I want to get them.

    Thanks,
    Robert