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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42375 From: gregory snell Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42376 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42377 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42378 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42380 From: gregory snell Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42382 From: Mark Cushman Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42383 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42384 From: Mark Cushman Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42385 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42387 From: gregory snell Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42388 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42390 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42395 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42398 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42401 From: James King Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42402 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42413 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42414 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42415 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42418 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42420 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42423 From: Robert Lewis Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42425 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42432 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/30/2019
Subject: Fwd: Koni EVO
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42435 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/30/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42443 From: TD Date: 7/30/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42445 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42446 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42448 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42449 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42451 From: bilmac36 . Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42455 From: waspph6 Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42457 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42458 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42460 From: bilmac36 . Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42462 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42476 From: Robert Lewis Date: 7/31/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42617 From: agsnowflake@gmail.com Date: 8/6/2019
Subject: Re: 2000 safari sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42668 From: TD Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42669 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42670 From: TD Date: 8/8/2019
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 42672 From: TD Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42673 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 8/8/2019
Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42872 From: ondaflore Date: 8/23/2019
Subject: Re: Electrical system,
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Subject: Re: Electrical system,



Group: Safarifriends Message: 42375 From: gregory snell Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856 and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently. 
Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Gregory,

You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.

What chassis do you have?
Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.

Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
my best to find the info you need.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd

On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my shocks
> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
> robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...> [Safarifriends]
> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> $141, no tax, free shipping
>
>
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 42376 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/29/2019
Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
Attachments :
    While on this subject, I want to verify the Koni shocks are still recommended for a Velvet Ride chassis that has had Tiger Trak sway bars (look like lateral links), a Roadmaster Reflex steering stabilizer, and some type of bi-directional spring contraption across the bottom of the steering knuckle as pictured.  A lateral link was also added to the rear axle.  The previous owner reportedly spent a bunch of cash having this work at a Texas truck suspension shop that boasted have a Magnum Velvet Ride specialist. The package included Blisten shocks? 
    v/r,

    Taylor Hudson
    ‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126 


    On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:40 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    Gregory,

    You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.

    What chassis do you have?
    Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.

    Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    my best to find the info you need.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my shocks
    > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    > robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...> [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > $141, no tax, free shipping
    >
    >
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42377 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Willie,

    When you do get the shocks, be sure to adjust all four of them to the
    firmest setting.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > John, John/Martha, Robert,
    > Ok, so sometimes you just have to drink the kookaid and hit the I believe
    > button. 🤠
    > John, appreciate the info! Since I am inside the wheel wells I am going to
    > investigate the prices and order based on the history you’ve given me. I
    > totally believe there are folks on here giving great experienced advise and
    > since Robert is also wanting to go back to them it just adds to the
    > confidence factor.
    > Thanks,
    > Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:55 AM, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> Couldn’t sleep last night, so looked for the Koni’s online. As already
    >> mentioned in this thread, the best price I could find was at Ultra RV
    >> products. 40 dollars less per shock than anywhere else
    >>
    >>
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42378 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Gregory,

    By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
    seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
    on the shocks.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856
    > and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll
    > have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently.
    > Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@...<mailto:sdjhtm@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Gregory,
    >
    > You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >
    > What chassis do you have?
    > Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >
    > Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    > Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    > colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    > my best to find the info you need.
    >
    > John
    > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    > 6spd
    >
    > On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@...<mailto:newg-reg@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >> shocks
    >> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>
    >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >> robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...><mailto:robertfury@...>
    >> [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com><mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42380 From: gregory snell Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Will do John 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:17 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gregory,

    By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
    seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
    on the shocks.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856
    > and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll
    > have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently.
    > Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@...<mailto:sdjhtm@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Gregory,
    >
    > You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >
    > What chassis do you have?
    > Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >
    > Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    > Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    > colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    > my best to find the info you need.
    >
    > John
    > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    > 6spd
    >
    > On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@...<mailto:newg-reg@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >> shocks
    >> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>
    >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >> robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...><mailto:robertfury@...>
    >> [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com><mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42382 From: Mark Cushman Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    The “contraption” appears to be a SteerSafe. See link 

    http://www.steersafe.com/shop/steer-safe-unit

    I’ve wondered if those are effective.  I have Tiger Trak and Konis on mine but not the contraption.  My front Konis were the wrong number so I have new ones waiting for me to install there.  

    I’m real interested if the Steer safe helps with road wonder. Anything you can report on that would be greatly appreciated. 

    Mark
    1999 Safari 32’ Velvet Ride. 


    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:10 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gregory,

    By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
    seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
    on the shocks.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856
    > and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll
    > have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently.
    > Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@...<mailto:sdjhtm@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Gregory,
    >
    > You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >
    > What chassis do you have?
    > Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >
    > Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    > Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    > colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    > my best to find the info you need.
    >
    > John
    > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    > 6spd
    >
    > On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@...<mailto:newg-reg@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >> shocks
    >> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>
    >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >> robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...><mailto:robertfury@...>
    >> [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com><mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42383 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Unfortunately I can’t tell you how much it helps as it was on the coach when I bought it (never drove it without it).  
    I think the previous owner had about every  suspension product (except Koni shocks) made for that model installed.  Thanks for identifying that “accessory”. 
    v/r,

    Taylor

    ‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126

    On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mark Cushman chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    The “contraption” appears to be a SteerSafe. See link 


    http://www.steersafe.com/shop/steer-safe-unit

    I’ve wondered if those are effective.  I have Tiger Trak and Konis on mine but not the contraption.  My front Konis were the wrong number so I have new ones waiting for me to install there.  

    I’m real interested if the Steer safe helps with road wonder. Anything you can report on that would be greatly appreciated. 

    Mark
    1999 Safari 32’ Velvet Ride. 


    Sent from my iPhone


    On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:10 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gregory,

    By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
    seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
    on the shocks.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856
    > and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll
    > have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently.
    > Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@...<mailto:sdjhtm@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Gregory,
    >
    > You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >
    > What chassis do you have?
    > Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >
    > Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    > Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    > colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    > my best to find the info you need.
    >
    > John
    > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    > 6spd
    >
    > On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@...<mailto:newg-reg@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >> shocks
    >> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>
    >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >> robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...><mailto:robertfury@...>
    >> [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com><mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42384 From: Mark Cushman Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    I appreciate your answer.  After you get your Konis in let us know how it drives.  

    Sent from my iPad

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:53 AM, W Taylor Hudson fpengr@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Unfortunately I can’t tell you how much it helps as it was on the coach when I bought it (never drove it without it).  
    I think the previous owner had about every  suspension product (except Koni shocks) made for that model installed.  Thanks for identifying that “accessory”.. 
    v/r,

    Taylor

    ‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126

    On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mark Cushman chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    The “contraption” appears to be a SteerSafe. See link 


    http://www.steersafe.com/shop/steer-safe-unit

    I’ve wondered if those are effective.  I have Tiger Trak and Konis on mine but not the contraption.  My front Konis were the wrong number so I have new ones waiting for me to install there.  

    I’m real interested if the Steer safe helps with road wonder. Anything you can report on that would be greatly appreciated. 

    Mark
    1999 Safari 32’ Velvet Ride. 


    Sent from my iPhone


    On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:10 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gregory,

    By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
    seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
    on the shocks.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856
    > and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll
    > have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently.
    > Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@...<mailto:sdjhtm@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Gregory,
    >
    > You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >
    > What chassis do you have?
    > Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >
    > Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    > Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    > colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    > my best to find the info you need.
    >
    > John
    > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    > 6spd
    >
    > On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@...<mailto:newg-reg@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >> shocks
    >> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>
    >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >> robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...><mailto:robertfury@...>
    >> [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com><mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42385 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    That color pattern is same for Bilsteins. Not sure if they have it trademarked or not. But I’d put my 2cents and bet that’s what they are.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:57 AM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856 and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently. 

    Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl. 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gregory,

    You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.

    What chassis do you have?
    Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.

    Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    my best to find the info you need.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my shocks
    > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    > robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...> [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > $141, no tax, free shipping
    >
    >
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42387 From: gregory snell Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    I didn’t see any brand on them. But I’ll certainly look again when I get home. Going to burning man again this year and would love to smooth out the 1300 mile round trip. Thanks everyone for all of your help. 
    Greg and Cheryl. 92 Kenya 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:36 AM, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    That color pattern is same for Bilsteins. Not sure if they have it trademarked or not. But I’d put my 2cents and bet that’s what they are.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:57 AM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856 and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently. 

    Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl. 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gregory,

    You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.

    What chassis do you have?
    Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.

    Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    my best to find the info you need.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my shocks
    > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    > robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...> [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > $141, no tax, free shipping
    >
    >
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42388 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Firmest setting aye aye! I ordered the front two after our last email. Will wait a billing cycle and go for the aft ones.  Hey, so glad you sent this, I wanted to get back to you, noted the website list the rear ones, 88-1458SP1, as a ‘front’ shock. Is that typical? I’ve attached both pix. Also, noted (may be due to influence of this site and users) appears they have our Magnum Chassis listed on the Front ones, 88-1641SP3! See pix.

    (My list is piling up on me. Headed to go get those new brake lines ordered and crossing fingers I can report good p/n numbers on here for those who are not in a location where the locals will manufacturer them.)

    John I’m going to ask a paint color question in a separate note, perhaps you are familiar with it.

    Thanks!
    Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 1:34 PM, bilmac36 <bilmac36@...> wrote:

    That color pattern is same for Bilsteins. Not sure if they have it trademarked or not. But I’d put my 2cents and bet that’s what they are.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:57 AM, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856 and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently. 

    Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl. 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gregory,

    You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.

    What chassis do you have?
    Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.

    Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    my best to find the info you need.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my shocks
    > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    > robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...> [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > $141, no tax, free shipping
    >
    >
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42390 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Mark, Taylor, 
    I have that Steer-safe on an ‘87 Holiday Rambler Imperial Presidential model 33’ with tag axle gas burner. Now for it, with the narrow 19.5” tires it helps it drive straight as a true arrow. And had same set up on same coach, but a 1991 many years ago. No wondering.

    That said, I’m going to talk my experience for a minute as I often think and have read the steering issue can be a load balancing issue on the coach. Which in turns can be piss poor engineering on behalf of the builder.

    I wound up with my Connie due to a wandering coach. I would say it drove as if it was an ol truck hauling a load of pulp wood. As if front wheels were barely on the road. I think that coach was a 30’ Sahara, had all the bells and whistles, but it was not for me due to the way it drove. It is coach I’ve made reference to that had the 330 hp Cat and it had the ponies to get up and go. Anyway, traded it for Connie.

    Connie has Massive Sway bars front and rear. I just replaced the support arm bushing up front and will eventually do for the rear. I mention the massiveness of these sway bars as there are at least two well known outfits here in states that are know for their better ride control additions to chassis. After watching some of there YouTube videos I realized the “larger sway bars” they were installing on a rig to provide better steering control, etc appeared smaller than my OEMs. I did a bit of additional research and noted what is typically marketed are smaller diameter than mine. 

    This group has been around for a while and It is possible someone has addressed your issue with a fix already. But if not I’d do two things. Figure out how the coach is weight balanced; and look into larger sway bars.

    Regards, 
    Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 


    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 12:53 PM, W Taylor Hudson fpengr@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Unfortunately I can’t tell you how much it helps as it was on the coach when I bought it (never drove it without it).  
    I think the previous owner had about every  suspension product (except Koni shocks) made for that model installed.  Thanks for identifying that “accessory”.. 
    v/r,

    Taylor

    ‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126

    On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mark Cushman chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    The “contraption” appears to be a SteerSafe. See link 


    http://www.steersafe.com/shop/steer-safe-unit

    I’ve wondered if those are effective.  I have Tiger Trak and Konis on mine but not the contraption.  My front Konis were the wrong number so I have new ones waiting for me to install there.  

    I’m real interested if the Steer safe helps with road wonder. Anything you can report on that would be greatly appreciated. 

    Mark
    1999 Safari 32’ Velvet Ride. 


    Sent from my iPhone


    On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:10 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gregory,

    By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
    seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
    on the shocks.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were 630856
    > and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs. I’ll
    > have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work currently.
    > Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@...<mailto:sdjhtm@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Gregory,
    >
    > You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >
    > What chassis do you have?
    > Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >
    > Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they are.
    > Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    > colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    > my best to find the info you need.
    >
    > John
    > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    > 6spd
    >
    > On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@...<mailto:newg-reg@...>
    > [Safarifriends]
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    > wrote:
    >> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >> shocks
    >> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>
    >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >> robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...><mailto:robertfury@...>
    >> [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com><mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42395 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    I ordered the recommended Koni shock for my Velvet ride chassis from a place called Ultra RV products in Washington state. Only fronts, to replace my bad choice in shocks to save money. My current shocks are made for semi truck, and it porpoises like crazy. As I reported, the Koni’s I ordered were 140, which is less than I have seen in the past. I found out the reason. Ultra called me, very helpful parts desk, said that the old Koni part number (only fronts) was being replaced. There is a new larger diameter Evo shock, by Koni, to replace the old part number. Sorry I don’t have the part numbers handy. Anyways, new shock has similar valving properties, works with the velvet ride chassis, but is suppose to be much better, last longer, smoother. Works better with heavier coaches, and evidently will replace the old Koni’s. So, they have both in stock for now, but my understanding is the old 88 series is on the outs. Go to their website and you can read about them. Also, this place really seemed to know their stuff, was very familiar with the velvet ride chassis, and they have other suspension parts available.

    I will report back on their performance. Btw, they aren’t adjustable (Koni claims they are self adjusting, however that works). Nothing ventured nothing gained. Either way they CANT be worse than what I have now.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42398 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    I forgot to mention, even though these Koni shocks are called Koni
    Reds, they can and do come in all sorts of different color. I have
    had, red, black, and school bus orange.

    By the way, I saw an early to mid 90's Safari today, with a nice big
    bald eagle mural on the back. It rolled through Evergreen, CO around
    5pm. Is it anyone on this group???

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Robert,
    > I suspect they will be shipped directly from Koni to you. Price is
    > essentially the same as what I paid this spring from another company John
    > suggested. No tax, no shipping charge.
    >
    > Gary
    > ‘98 Sahara 3006 300 CAT
    > --
    > *Gary Smith*
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42401 From: James King Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Hi  all,I just ordered new Koni shocks using the numbers youall posted several times, 881641sp3 for the front and 881458sp1 for the rear. The  ltb autosports said the number had changed  to 99b3254, so I bought the rear shock from him and bought the fronts from Ultra RV. ( with the old number) . Will also post results. 
    PS, almost identical price for both
    Sent from my iPhone, Jim king , 97 Serengeti 37 ft, cat 3126, Allison 6 spd.

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 6:03 PM, robertfury@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    I ordered the recommended Koni shock for my Velvet ride chassis from a place called Ultra RV products in Washington state. Only fronts, to replace my bad choice in shocks to save money. My current shocks are made for semi truck, and it porpoises like crazy. As I reported, the Koni’s I ordered were 140, which is less than I have seen in the past. I found out the reason. Ultra called me, very helpful parts desk, said that the old Koni part number (only fronts) was being replaced. There is a new larger diameter Evo shock, by Koni, to replace the old part number. Sorry I don’t have the part numbers handy. Anyways, new shock has similar valving properties, works with the velvet ride chassis, but is suppose to be much better, last longer, smoother. Works better with heavier coaches, and evidently will replace the old Koni’s. So, they have both in stock for now, but my understanding is the old 88 series is on the outs. Go to their website and you can read about them. Also, this place really seemed to know their stuff, was very familiar with the velvet ride chassis, and they have other suspension parts available.

    I will report back on their performance. Btw, they aren’t adjustable (Koni claims they are self adjusting, however that works). Nothing ventured nothing gained. Either way they CANT be worse than what I have now.

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42402 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Willie,

    Like I stated before, order by part number, which means, IGNORE what
    ever the site says for the application. Said another way, these are
    custom picked for our coach that perform the best for our needs. Make
    sure you install the front ones on the front, as I posted the numbers,
    and the rear ones on the rear.


    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd


    On 7/29/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Firmest setting aye aye! I ordered the front two after our last email. Will
    > wait a billing cycle and go for the aft ones. Hey, so glad you sent this, I
    > wanted to get back to you, noted the website list the rear ones, 88-1458SP1,
    > as a ‘front’ shock. Is that typical? I’ve attached both pix. Also, noted
    > (may be due to influence of this site and users) appears they have our
    > Magnum Chassis listed on the Front ones, 88-1641SP3! See pix.
    >
    > (My list is piling up on me. Headed to go get those new brake lines ordered
    > and crossing fingers I can report good p/n numbers on here for those who are
    > not in a location where the locals will manufacturer them.)
    >
    > John I’m going to ask a paint color question in a separate note, perhaps you
    > are familiar with it.
    >
    > Thanks!
    > Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 1:34 PM, bilmac36 <bilmac36@...> wrote:
    >>
    >> That color pattern is same for Bilsteins. Not sure if they have it
    >> trademarked or not. But I’d put my 2cents and bet that’s what they are.
    >>
    >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>
    >>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:57 AM, gregory snell newg-reg@...
    >>> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were
    >>> 630856 and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil
    >>> overs. I’ll have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at
    >>> work currently.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >>>
    >>> Sent from my iPhone
    >>>
    >>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
    >>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Gregory,
    >>>>
    >>>> You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >>>>
    >>>> What chassis do you have?
    >>>> Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >>>>
    >>>> Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they
    >>>> are.
    >>>> Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    >>>> colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    >>>> my best to find the info you need.
    >>>>
    >>>> John
    >>>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >>>> 6spd
    >>>>
    >>>> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    >>>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>> > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >>>> > shocks
    >>>> > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Sent from my iPhone
    >>>> >
    >>>> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >>>> > robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...> [Safarifriends]
    >>>> > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >>>> > wrote:
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> > $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42403 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    There are many things that can cause sway and the tail wagging the
    dog. One that gets overlooked often is King Pins, even a little play
    can really do a number, especially if the front end is light. Also,
    the most common issue on the short coaches with the light front end,
    is very often the tires are over inflated and that makes the coach go
    all over the road. If you posted on the group with your Sahara, we
    likely would have helped you overcome those issues.
    Did you ever have the Sahara weighed?
    Did you adjust the tire pressure according to the weight you were carrying?

    BTW, what mural did that Sahara have???

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Mark, Taylor,
    > I have that Steer-safe on an ‘87 Holiday Rambler Imperial Presidential model
    > 33’ with tag axle gas burner. Now for it, with the narrow 19.5” tires it
    > helps it drive straight as a true arrow. And had same set up on same coach,
    > but a 1991 many years ago. No wondering.
    >
    > That said, I’m going to talk my experience for a minute as I often think and
    > have read the steering issue can be a load balancing issue on the coach.
    > Which in turns can be piss poor engineering on behalf of the builder.
    >
    > I wound up with my Connie due to a wandering coach. I would say it drove as
    > if it was an ol truck hauling a load of pulp wood. As if front wheels were
    > barely on the road. I think that coach was a 30’ Sahara, had all the bells
    > and whistles, but it was not for me due to the way it drove. It is coach
    > I’ve made reference to that had the 330 hp Cat and it had the ponies to get
    > up and go. Anyway, traded it for Connie.
    >
    > Connie has Massive Sway bars front and rear. I just replaced the support arm
    > bushing up front and will eventually do for the rear. I mention the
    > massiveness of these sway bars as there are at least two well known outfits
    > here in states that are know for their better ride control additions to
    > chassis.. After watching some of there YouTube videos I realized the “larger
    > sway bars” they were installing on a rig to provide better steering control,
    > etc appeared smaller than my OEMs. I did a bit of additional research and
    > noted what is typically marketed are smaller diameter than mine.
    >
    > This group has been around for a while and It is possible someone has
    > addressed your issue with a fix already. But if not I’d do two things.
    > Figure out how the coach is weight balanced; and look into larger sway
    > bars.
    >
    > Regards,
    > Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 12:53 PM, W Taylor Hudson fpengr@...
    >> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> Unfortunately I can’t tell you how much it helps as it was on the coach
    >> when I bought it (never drove it without it).
    >> I think the previous owner had about every suspension product (except
    >> Koni shocks) made for that model installed. Thanks for identifying that
    >> “accessory”..
    >> v/r,
    >>
    >> Taylor
    >>
    >> ‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126
    >>
    >>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mark Cushman chvet73@...
    >>> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> The “contraption” appears to be a SteerSafe. See link
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> http://www.steersafe.com/shop/steer-safe-unit
    >>>
    >>> I’ve wondered if those are effective. I have Tiger Trak and Konis on
    >>> mine but not the contraption. My front Konis were the wrong number so I
    >>> have new ones waiting for me to install there.
    >>>
    >>> I’m real interested if the Steer safe helps with road wonder. Anything
    >>> you can report on that would be greatly appreciated.
    >>>
    >>> Mark
    >>> 1999 Safari 32’ Velvet Ride.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Sent from my iPhone
    >>>
    >>>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:10 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
    >>>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Gregory,
    >>>>
    >>>> By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
    >>>> seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
    >>>> on the shocks.
    >>>>
    >>>> John
    >>>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >>>> 6spd
    >>>>
    >>>> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    >>>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>> > Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were
    >>>> > 630856
    >>>> > and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs.
    >>>> > I’ll
    >>>> > have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work
    >>>> > currently.
    >>>> > Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Sent from my iPhone
    >>>> >
    >>>> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD
    >>>> > sdjhtm@...<mailto:sdjhtm@...>
    >>>> > [Safarifriends]
    >>>> > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >>>> > wrote:
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Gregory,
    >>>> >
    >>>> > You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > What chassis do you have?
    >>>> > Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they
    >>>> > are.
    >>>> > Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    >>>> > colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will
    >>>> > do
    >>>> > my best to find the info you need.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > John
    >>>> > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >>>> > 6spd
    >>>> >
    >>>> > On 7/29/19, gregory snell
    >>>> > newg-reg@...<mailto:newg-reg@...>
    >>>> > [Safarifriends]
    >>>> > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >>>> > wrote:
    >>>> >> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >>>> >> shocks
    >>>> >> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >>>> >> robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...><mailto:robertfury@...>
    >>>> >> [Safarifriends]
    >>>> >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com><mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >>>> >> wrote:
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42404 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Taylor,

    Yes, yes, and yes. Considering how new your Bilsteins look, if the
    ride is acceptable to you, that use them till they wear out, then
    upgrade to the koni shocks.

    Judging by the pictures, you lucked out, as you have all the
    suspension bells and whistles.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, W Taylor Hudson fpengr@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > While on this subject, I want to verify the Koni shocks are still
    > recommended for a Velvet Ride chassis that has had Tiger Trak sway bars
    > (look like lateral links), a Roadmaster Reflex steering stabilizer, and
    > some type of bi-directional spring contraption across the bottom of the
    > steering knuckle as pictured. A lateral link was also added to the rear
    > axle. The previous owner reportedly spent a bunch of cash having this work
    > at a Texas truck suspension shop that boasted have a Magnum Velvet Ride
    > specialist. The package included Blisten shocks?
    > v/r,
    >
    > Taylor Hudson
    > ‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126
    >
    >
    > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 12:40 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <
    > Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> Gregory,
    >>
    >> You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >>
    >> What chassis do you have?
    >> Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >>
    >> Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they
    >> are..
    >> Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    >> colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    >> my best to find the info you need.
    >>
    >> John
    >> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >> 6spd
    >>
    >> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >> > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >> shocks
    >> > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >> >
    >> > Sent from my iPhone
    >> >
    >> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >> > robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...> [Safarifriends]
    >> > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >> > wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > $141, no tax, free shipping
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42405 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Robert,

    Even though you don't state it directly, it sounds like you ordered
    the Koni EVO 99 series shocks. If that is the case, let us know how
    they work out. All I can tell you is the 88-1641SP3 shocks are proven,
    and I know what their dampening specs are. With these new one, we
    don't have the specs, Koni will spin a story to sell, so you will be
    the first guinea pig. If you are disappointed, don't blame us. ;) If
    it were me, for that kind of money, I would have stuck with what is
    proven. Also, the 88 series are adjustable. In any case, please give
    feed back on how they behave, so the group has something to go on.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > I ordered the recommended Koni shock for my Velvet ride chassis from a place
    > called Ultra RV products in Washington state. Only fronts, to replace my
    > bad choice in shocks to save money. My current shocks are made for semi
    > truck, and it porpoises like crazy. As I reported, the Koni’s I ordered
    > were 140, which is less than I have seen in the past. I found out the
    > reason. Ultra called me, very helpful parts desk, said that the old Koni
    > part number (only fronts) was being replaced. There is a new larger
    > diameter Evo shock, by Koni, to replace the old part number. Sorry I don’t
    > have the part numbers handy. Anyways, new shock has similar valving
    > properties, works with the velvet ride chassis, but is suppose to be much
    > better, last longer, smoother. Works better with heavier coaches, and
    > evidently will replace the old Koni’s. So, they have both in stock for now,
    > but my understanding is the old 88 series is on the outs. Go to their
    > website and you can read about them. Also, this place really seemed to know
    > their stuff, was very familiar with the velvet ride chassis, and they have
    > other suspension parts available.
    >
    > I will report back on their performance. Btw, they aren’t adjustable (Koni
    > claims they are self adjusting, however that works). Nothing ventured
    > nothing gained. Either way they CANT be worse than what I have now.
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42413 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Yes, you are correct. I know I’m taking a gamble, but I was told they have similar valving properties, and are the replacement, and that the 88s won’t be available in awhile. Of course I don’t know if what they (the dealer) is telling me is correct, but from years in sales, I can tell you they weren’t giving me the hard sale, they just called to let me know. They’ve had success with them on other brands. A bigger shock would be good in theory. The later safaris had four shocks per axle, and I know a different setup. They did say that Koni had recommended them for the velvet ride. Getting them soon and will report. If they are not good, on eBay, and 88s ordered.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42414 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Gotcha. Hey, did you read what Robert Fury posted about getting the call stating they have a ‘new and improved’ front shock version taking the place of that number? I also have a voice mail from them asking for me to return the call as I ordered only the front shocks. 
    I just read another member seemingly noting the same.

    Thoughts? 


    Thanks,
    Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 7:25 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Willie,

    Like I stated before, order by part number, which means, IGNORE what
    ever the site says for the application. Said another way, these are
    custom picked for our coach that perform the best for our needs. Make
    sure you install the front ones on the front, as I posted the numbers,
    and the rear ones on the rear.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Firmest setting aye aye! I ordered the front two after our last email. Will
    > wait a billing cycle and go for the aft ones. Hey, so glad you sent this, I
    > wanted to get back to you, noted the website list the rear ones, 88-1458SP1,
    > as a ‘front’ shock. Is that typical? I’ve attached both pix. Also, noted
    > (may be due to influence of this site and users) appears they have our
    > Magnum Chassis listed on the Front ones, 88-1641SP3! See pix.
    >
    > (My list is piling up on me. Headed to go get those new brake lines ordered
    > and crossing fingers I can report good p/n numbers on here for those who are
    > not in a location where the locals will manufacturer them.)
    >
    > John I’m going to ask a paint color question in a separate note, perhaps you
    > are familiar with it.
    >
    > Thanks!
    > Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 1:34 PM, bilmac36 <bilmac36@...> wrote:
    >>
    >> That color pattern is same for Bilsteins. Not sure if they have it
    >> trademarked or not. But I’d put my 2cents and bet that’s what they are.
    >>
    >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>
    >>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:57 AM, gregory snell newg-reg@...
    >>> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were
    >>> 630856 and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil
    >>> overs. I’ll have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at
    >>> work currently.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >>>
    >>> Sent from my iPhone
    >>>
    >>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
    >>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Gregory,
    >>>>
    >>>> You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >>>>
    >>>> What chassis do you have?
    >>>> Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >>>>
    >>>> Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they
    >>>> are.
    >>>> Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    >>>> colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will do
    >>>> my best to find the info you need.
    >>>>
    >>>> John
    >>>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >>>> 6spd
    >>>>
    >>>> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    >>>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>> > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >>>> > shocks
    >>>> > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Sent from my iPhone
    >>>> >
    >>>> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >>>> > robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...> [Safarifriends]
    >>>> > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >>>> > wrote:
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> > $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42415 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Willie,

    Read my reply to Robert. Often, "new and improved", like the candy
    bars, are worse. I have no specs for this shock, and Koni no longer
    publishes the specs. I can tell you is the 88-1641SP3 works great and
    costs less, hence it is proven with many road miles by majority of
    members, not to mention, Ralph's research. They always stop making the
    good stuff, it is like a curse. I just might go and buy me a spare
    pair before they stop making them...

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd



    On 7/29/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Gotcha. Hey, did you read what Robert Fury posted about getting the call
    > stating they have a ‘new and improved’ front shock version taking the place
    > of that number? I also have a voice mail from them asking for me to return
    > the call as I ordered only the front shocks.
    > I just read another member seemingly noting the same.
    >
    > Thoughts?
    >
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 7:25 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> Willie,
    >>
    >> Like I stated before, order by part number, which means, IGNORE what
    >> ever the site says for the application. Said another way, these are
    >> custom picked for our coach that perform the best for our needs. Make
    >> sure you install the front ones on the front, as I posted the numbers,
    >> and the rear ones on the rear.
    >>
    >> John
    >> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >> 6spd
    >>
    >> On 7/29/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >> > Firmest setting aye aye! I ordered the front two after our last email.
    >> > Will
    >> > wait a billing cycle and go for the aft ones. Hey, so glad you sent
    >> > this, I
    >> > wanted to get back to you, noted the website list the rear ones,
    >> > 88-1458SP1,
    >> > as a ‘front’ shock. Is that typical? I’ve attached both pix. Also,
    >> > noted
    >> > (may be due to influence of this site and users) appears they have our
    >> > Magnum Chassis listed on the Front ones, 88-1641SP3! See pix.
    >> >
    >> > (My list is piling up on me. Headed to go get those new brake lines
    >> > ordered
    >> > and crossing fingers I can report good p/n numbers on here for those who
    >> > are
    >> > not in a location where the locals will manufacturer them.)
    >> >
    >> > John I’m going to ask a paint color question in a separate note, perhaps
    >> > you
    >> > are familiar with it.
    >> >
    >> > Thanks!
    >> > Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >> >
    >> > Sent from my iPhone
    >> >
    >> >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 1:34 PM, bilmac36 <bilmac36@...> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> That color pattern is same for Bilsteins. Not sure if they have it
    >> >> trademarked or not. But I’d put my 2cents and bet that’s what they
    >> >> are.
    >> >>
    >> >> Sent from my iPhone
    >> >>
    >> >>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 11:57 AM, gregory snell newg-reg@...
    >> >>> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were
    >> >>> 630856 and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil
    >> >>> overs. I’ll have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m
    >> >>> at
    >> >>> work currently.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
    >> >>>
    >> >>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
    >> >>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >> >>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Gregory,
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> What chassis do you have?
    >> >>>> Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand
    >> >>>> they
    >> >>>> are.
    >> >>>> Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and
    >> >>>> fully
    >> >>>> colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will
    >> >>>> do
    >> >>>> my best to find the info you need.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> John
    >> >>>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >> >>>> 6spd
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    >> >>>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >> >>>> > Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on
    >> >>>> > my
    >> >>>> > shocks
    >> >>>> > but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >> >>>> >
    >> >>>> > Sent from my iPhone
    >> >>>> >
    >> >>>> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >> >>>> > robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...> [Safarifriends]
    >> >>>> > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >> >>>> > wrote:
    >> >>>> >
    >> >>>> >
    >> >>>> >
    >> >>>> > $141, no tax, free shipping
    >> >>>> >
    >> >>>> >
    >> >>>> >
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42418 From: TD Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Robert,

    See if you can get that outfit to find out exactly what the dampening
    specs are for those new shocks. Maybe Koni might release the info to
    their retailer, and the retailer might be willing to disclose it to
    you. It would be worth a try. If you do get any info, please pass it
    on...

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/30/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Yes, you are correct. I know I’m taking a gamble, but I was told they have
    > similar valving properties, and are the replacement, and that the 88s won’t
    > be available in awhile. Of course I don’t know if what they (the dealer) is
    > telling me is correct, but from years in sales, I can tell you they weren’t
    > giving me the hard sale, they just called to let me know. They’ve had
    > success with them on other brands. A bigger shock would be good in theory.
    > The later safaris had four shocks per axle, and I know a different setup.
    > They did say that Koni had recommended them for the velvet ride. Getting
    > them soon and will report. If they are not good, on eBay, and 88s ordered.
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42420 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    I’m not sure if I agree. Candy bars get smaller, that’s just inflation at work. I’m not sure they were any better back in the day. Tvs get better, lighter, thinner, cheaper. Computers and phones the same (well not cheaper). The cars of even the 80s wouldn’t run half as long as current day cars. I have a 2004 Chevy diesel pickup, 320k miles on the odometer, runs super, plan on keeping it couple more hundred thousand. I have a 2008 Kawasaki street bike that has 70k miles, still wheelies like a champ. Never even replaced the clutch plates. My 80 era Yamaha broke the transmission before 20k. The 88s weren’t designed solely for the Magnum/Velvet ride chassis, they were the stock shock for many brands and models. I know valving rates are key. But I also know the bigger (and I mean significantly bigger) shocks in motorcycles play a part in their performance over older bikes. Older shock and fork designs don’t even compare to what we have today in performance/durability on motorcycles, it’s so different and improved there’s whole new areas of competition not even imagined back in the good old days. I can’t imagine RV shocks are any different. Like I said, a gamble, but if they don’t seem great )and I know what the 88s felt like because they were on my coach when I bought it) super easy to take off, on eBay, I’m down a hundred dollars, and I can report the findings.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42423 From: Robert Lewis Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    John

    I have an 8 airbag coach. If you have those number can you send me the correct numbers please? I know I have Bilstein shocks ... it is down right unnerving when the 42' beast starts wobbling all over the road after an expected bump or hump, especially at night.

    Robert and Bev Lewis
    2000 Safari Continental
    3126B Cat, 330hp
    MD3060 Allison


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42425 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/29/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    John. 
    One more before turning in...that coach was a long long time ago for me...a lot of water had passed under the bridge. I was a busy Sailor, & busy family man, honestly do not recall the mural. I may have put it on scales, but don’t recall. Think I did reduce front tire pressure. I’ve driven the overloaded truck before so know some of the tricks. Seems it was the first year of that coach model, either ‘99 or 2000 so from what I’ve read this Safarifriends would have been in its infancy. 
    Appreciate the thoughts. 

    R/Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 
    Sent from my iPhone

    On Jul 29, 2019, at 7:50 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    There are many things that can cause sway and the tail wagging the
    dog. One that gets overlooked often is King Pins, even a little play
    can really do a number, especially if the front end is light. Also,
    the most common issue on the short coaches with the light front end,
    is very often the tires are over inflated and that makes the coach go
    all over the road. If you posted on the group with your Sahara, we
    likely would have helped you overcome those issues.
    Did you ever have the Sahara weighed?
    Did you adjust the tire pressure according to the weight you were carrying?

    BTW, what mural did that Sahara have???

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/29/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Mark, Taylor,
    > I have that Steer-safe on an ‘87 Holiday Rambler Imperial Presidential model
    > 33’ with tag axle gas burner. Now for it, with the narrow 19.5” tires it
    > helps it drive straight as a true arrow. And had same set up on same coach,
    > but a 1991 many years ago. No wondering.
    >
    > That said, I’m going to talk my experience for a minute as I often think and
    > have read the steering issue can be a load balancing issue on the coach.
    > Which in turns can be piss poor engineering on behalf of the builder.
    >
    > I wound up with my Connie due to a wandering coach. I would say it drove as
    > if it was an ol truck hauling a load of pulp wood. As if front wheels were
    > barely on the road. I think that coach was a 30’ Sahara, had all the bells
    > and whistles, but it was not for me due to the way it drove. It is coach
    > I’ve made reference to that had the 330 hp Cat and it had the ponies to get
    > up and go. Anyway, traded it for Connie.
    >
    > Connie has Massive Sway bars front and rear. I just replaced the support arm
    > bushing up front and will eventually do for the rear. I mention the
    > massiveness of these sway bars as there are at least two well known outfits
    > here in states that are know for their better ride control additions to
    > chassis.. After watching some of there YouTube videos I realized the “larger
    > sway bars” they were installing on a rig to provide better steering control,
    > etc appeared smaller than my OEMs. I did a bit of additional research and
    > noted what is typically marketed are smaller diameter than mine.
    >
    > This group has been around for a while and It is possible someone has
    > addressed your issue with a fix already. But if not I’d do two things.
    > Figure out how the coach is weight balanced; and look into larger sway
    > bars.
    >
    > Regards,
    > Willie, Connie is 40’ 1995 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 12:53 PM, W Taylor Hudson fpengr@...
    >> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> Unfortunately I can’t tell you how much it helps as it was on the coach
    >> when I bought it (never drove it without it).
    >> I think the previous owner had about every suspension product (except
    >> Koni shocks) made for that model installed. Thanks for identifying that
    >> “accessory”..
    >> v/r,
    >>
    >> Taylor
    >>
    >> ‘98 Safari Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126
    >>
    >>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mark Cushman chvet73@...
    >>> [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> The “contraption” appears to be a SteerSafe. See link
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> http://www.steersafe.com/shop/steer-safe-unit
    >>>
    >>> I’ve wondered if those are effective. I have Tiger Trak and Konis on
    >>> mine but not the contraption. My front Konis were the wrong number so I
    >>> have new ones waiting for me to install there.
    >>>
    >>> I’m real interested if the Steer safe helps with road wonder. Anything
    >>> you can report on that would be greatly appreciated.
    >>>
    >>> Mark
    >>> 1999 Safari 32’ Velvet Ride.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Sent from my iPhone
    >>>
    >>>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 10:10 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
    >>>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Gregory,
    >>>>
    >>>> By your description it appears to be Bilstein shocks, but it does not
    >>>> seem to be their numbers. If you can, look for other numbers stamped
    >>>> on the shocks.
    >>>>
    >>>> John
    >>>> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >>>> 6spd
    >>>>
    >>>> On 7/29/19, gregory snell newg-reg@... [Safarifriends]
    >>>> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >>>> > Thank you John. It is leaf spring suspension. The numbers I fit were
    >>>> > 630856
    >>>> > and p3015. Not sure of brand but they are yellow and blue coil overs.
    >>>> > I’ll
    >>>> > have to wait till tonight to get the measurements as I’m at work
    >>>> > currently.
    >>>> > Thanks again, Greg and Cheryl.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Sent from my iPhone
    >>>> >
    >>>> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:41 AM, TD
    >>>> > sdjhtm@...<mailto:sdjhtm@...>
    >>>> > [Safarifriends]
    >>>> > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >>>> > wrote:
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Gregory,
    >>>> >
    >>>> > You have the odd ball unit, so it will take some leg work and time.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > What chassis do you have?
    >>>> > Is the suspension leaf spring or torsional.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Get me some numbers off of the shocks and let me know what brand they
    >>>> > are.
    >>>> > Also, measure both the front and rear shocks fully extended and fully
    >>>> > colapsed, measuring from the center hole to center hole, and I will
    >>>> > do
    >>>> > my best to find the info you need.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > John
    >>>> > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >>>> > 6spd
    >>>> >
    >>>> > On 7/29/19, gregory snell
    >>>> > newg-reg@...<mailto:newg-reg@...>
    >>>> > [Safarifriends]
    >>>> > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >>>> > wrote:
    >>>> >> Is there a site that crosses part numbers? I’ve tried the ones on my
    >>>> >> shocks
    >>>> >> but have had no luck. 1992 safari Kenya pusher.
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:33 AM,
    >>>> >> robertfury@...<mailto:robertfury@...><mailto:robertfury@...>
    >>>> >> [Safarifriends]
    >>>> >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com><mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>>
    >>>> >> wrote:
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >> $141, no tax, free shipping
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >>
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42432 From: bilmac36 Date: 7/30/2019
    Subject: Fwd: Koni EVO
    John, 
    Hey, ck out the attached spec sheet and see if it allows an apples to apples comparison on the Koni shocks so many of us have ordered &/or using, the 88 series. 
    Thanks, 
    Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 

    Sent from my iPhone

    Begin forwarded message:

    From: Support <support@...>
    Date: July 30, 2019 at 11:57:49 AM CDT
    To: bilmac36@...
    Subject: Koni EVO

    Here you go! Let me know if you have any other questions.

    --
    Jon Brazel
    Parts Manager
    Ultra RV / Brazel's RV
    p: 800-417-4559 ext. 201
    f: 360-736-9497
    a: 3912 Harrison Ave.
      Centralia, WA 98531
    w: www.ultrarvproducts.com  e: support@...
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42435 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/30/2019
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
    I notice their web site shows ours at $190.
    Adjustability is gone???  Time to buy the “current” version while they may still be in stock?
    v/r,

    Taylor
    ‘98 Serengeti (4060), CAT 3125


    On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 4:00 PM bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    John, 
    Hey, ck out the attached spec sheet and see if it allows an apples to apples comparison on the Koni shocks so many of us have ordered &/or using, the 88 series. 
    Thanks, 
    Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 

    Sent from my iPhone

    Begin forwarded message:

    From: Support <support@...>
    Date: July 30, 2019 at 11:57:49 AM CDT
    To: bilmac36@...
    Subject: Koni EVO

    Here you go! Let me know if you have any other questions.

    --
    Jon Brazel
    Parts Manager
    Ultra RV / Brazel's RV
    p: 800-417-4559 ext. 201
    f: 360-736-9497
    a: 3912 Harrison Ave.
      Centralia, WA 98531
    w: www.ultrarvproducts.com  e: support@...
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42443 From: TD Date: 7/30/2019
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
    Willie,

    Thanks for the attachment, even though it really does not show
    anything to compare. No real numbers and the graph is confusing to say
    the least. This is not to say that the shock is bad, but at Koni's
    prices I can't afford to "experiment". Hopefully, with time, we will
    get feedback from Robert F.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/30/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > John,
    > Hey, ck out the attached spec sheet and see if it allows an apples to apples
    > comparison on the Koni shocks so many of us have ordered &/or using, the 88
    > series.
    > Thanks,
    > Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > Begin forwarded message:
    >
    >> From: Support <support@...>
    >> Date: July 30, 2019 at 11:57:49 AM CDT
    >> To: bilmac36@...
    >> Subject: Koni EVO
    >>
    >> Here you go! Let me know if you have any other questions.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Jon Brazel
    >> Parts Manager
    >> Ultra RV / Brazel's RV
    >> p: 800-417-4559 ext. 201
    >> f: 360-736-9497
    >> a: 3912 Harrison Ave.
    >> Centralia, WA 98531
    >> w: www.ultrarvproducts.com e: support@...
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42445 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
    Willie,

    Thanks for the attachment, even though it really does not show
    anything to compare. No real numbers and the graph is confusing to say
    the least. This is not to say that the shock is bad, but at Koni's
    prices I can't afford to "experiment". Hopefully, with time, we will
    get feedback from Robert F.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/30/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > John,
    > Hey, ck out the attached spec sheet and see if it allows an apples to apples
    > comparison on the Koni shocks so many of us have ordered &/or using, the 88
    > series.
    > Thanks,
    > Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > Begin forwarded message:
    >
    >> From: Support <support@...>
    >> Date: July 30, 2019 at 11:57:49 AM CDT
    >> To: bilmac36@...
    >> Subject: Koni EVO
    >>
    >> Here you go! Let me know if you have any other questions.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Jon Brazel
    >> Parts Manager
    >> Ultra RV / Brazel's RV
    >> p: 800-417-4559 ext. 201
    >> f: 360-736-9497
    >> a: 3912 Harrison Ave.
    >> Centralia, WA 98531
    >> w: www.ultrarvproducts.com e: support@...
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42446 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Robert F,

    First off, it is your money and your coach, so you obviously buy what
    you think is best for you. I just provide information that has been a
    significant improvement for many Safari members, proven by many road
    miles, and is significantly less costly ($140.71 vs $199.39 times
    two). I can't afford to be a test mule, but if your willing, great!
    Feed back will be greatly appreciated.

    Second, you state that you know what the 88s felt like. Well, yes and no.
    A.) by your own statements, you said they were worn out.
    B.) You don't know what dampening rate they were set at.
    C.) Do you know which 88 shocks you had??? If you had the 88-1490SP2
    that Koni had originally speced and stubbornly continues to spec for
    our coaches, that shock will feel worn out right from the box, because
    the valving is useless for our application. So, the odds are very
    high, that you will not have a true comparison with a new Koni
    88-1641SP3 vs the EVO99.

    Three, please don't take offense, but first dig up and study the
    history on the shocks for the Safari coaches, and the misery early
    owners went through, before you make blanket comments.
    A.) There is absolutely no comparison between motorcycle shocks and
    RV/heavy duty application shocks.
    B.) 88 series is a HUGE array of shocks with widely varying
    valving/dampening specs. So, yes, they will fit numerous applications,
    this is nothing new and is well known.

    C.) which really should be A.) As stated above, Koni specd a totally
    useless and expensive shock for the front of our coaches, part number
    88-1490SP2 (to all members, never use this shock, you will have wasted
    your money!). This useless sock required a quad shock kit that was
    developed by the late Ralph Andrews, in an attempt to solve the
    horrible ride issues, including severe porpoising and bouncing. The
    quad kit helped, but not enough, so Ralph Andrews diligently,
    relentlessly, and painstakingly tested NUMEROUS shocks on his own
    coach, at his own expense, searching for a better shock to solve the
    ride quality issues. This man removed and installed more shocks on his
    coach, then probably all the shocks on our safaris combined. He
    finally came across the Koni 88-1641SP3 shock, the the supper magical
    shock we were all praying for. This shock was so effective, that it
    negated the need for the quad shock kit! With all the research, and
    positive results, Koni still refused to change the their part numbers
    specd for Safari coaches, all they care is to sell. With their track
    record I do not trust them to spec and/or build a shock for our
    coaches, we have to find and use the shock that works for us, and that
    shock is the 88-1641SP3. Will the EVO99 series be better? I don't
    know. Without seeing actual dampening spec numbers or someone willing
    to experiment on the level similar to Ralph Andrews. It is an
    expensive guess that I can't afford to take, and I am unwilling to
    take, as the less costly shock does a great job, and has for many
    years and miles.
    D.) Most are not aware of this, but for heavy RVs and in general, for
    heavy truck application, but especially for the torsional suspension
    that many of our coaches have. To achieve the difficult task of a very
    smooth ride with maximum control, it is crucial to have a shock that
    has very little dampening on compression, and a whole lot of dampening
    on extension. This allows great control, without sacrificing ride on
    the harsh, high frequency bumps, like bridge transitions and potholes.
    As stated before, the Koni 88 series shock dampening specs are all
    over the place, it just happens that the 88-1641SP3 perfectly fit the
    bill. The discovery of this shock goes to Ralf and Brett Wolfe. Brett
    worked along side with Ralph to try and help find a solution. Koni
    gets zero credit for this discovory, as they knew that there was an
    issue and refused to do anything about it, they could have easily
    changed the spec and sold is as a new and improved, but they
    stubbornly chose not to. When a solution was found, they were too
    proud to admit their mistake and/or had little knowledge of the
    dampening needs of a torsional suspension. As they say, ignorance is
    bliss. It is worthy to note that Ralph also developed numerous
    suspension upgrade products to help with handling issues on our
    coaches. As seen in the photos that Taylor posted, the Tiger Trak bars
    and the Radius Rods were all developed by Ralph and those upgrades
    were a huge help/improvement for many members.

    So now you know...

    BTW, I'm not talking about smaller candy bars, I'm talking about many
    years ago when they switched recipes, also adding high fructose corn
    syrup, and labeling "new and improved" on the candy bars (Snikers bar
    was one example). In my opinion, the Snikers bar tasted worse. Many
    years ago, my brother brought some from Greece, when he traveled
    there, and by golly, they tasted just like they used way back yonder.
    Yup, he did get a reaction out of me, wish he would have brought a
    bunch more.

    As for cars, oil technology is the key reason why cars are able to get
    more miles. That said, the cars are getting so technical now days,
    that they are cost prohibitive to run up to 3 or 4 hundred K miles.
    Also, comparing a diesel truck, does not say much. I know plenty of
    first generation pick up trucks that went 400K with out needing a
    turbo nor injection pump, and many of those trucks went 800K without
    overhaul. Buy a brand new coach, the equivalent quality and class of a
    Safari Coach, and try to work on it yourself. Good luck, you can keep
    it. Lol. All I can say is it is not for me.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/30/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > I’m not sure if I agree. Candy bars get smaller, that’s just inflation at
    > work. I’m not sure they were any better back in the day. Tvs get better,
    > lighter, thinner, cheaper. Computers and phones the same (well not
    > cheaper). The cars of even the 80s wouldn’t run half as long as current day
    > cars. I have a 2004 Chevy diesel pickup, 320k miles on the odometer, runs
    > super, plan on keeping it couple more hundred thousand. I have a 2008
    > Kawasaki street bike that has 70k miles, still wheelies like a champ. Never
    > even replaced the clutch plates. My 80 era Yamaha broke the transmission
    > before 20k. The 88s weren’t designed solely for the Magnum/Velvet ride
    > chassis, they were the stock shock for many brands and models. I know
    > valving rates are key. But I also know the bigger (and I mean significantly
    > bigger) shocks in motorcycles play a part in their performance over older
    > bikes. Older shock and fork designs don’t even compare to what we have
    > today in performance/durability on motorcycles, it’s so different and
    > improved there’s whole new areas of competition not even imagined back in
    > the good old days. I can’t imagine RV shocks are any different. Like I
    > said, a gamble, but if they don’t seem great )and I know what the 88s felt
    > like because they were on my coach when I bought it) super easy to take off,
    > on eBay, I’m down a hundred dollars, and I can report the findings.
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42448 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Robert L,

    Here are the Koni FSD numbers:

    Front: 8805-1004SP1

    Rear: 8805-1005SP1

    If you want the more economical version, the Koni Reds, let me know.
    For what it is worth, the feedback I'm getting on these series shocks,
    when used on airbag suspensions, is very good. So, it seems like money
    well spent.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/30/19, Robert Lewis robert.lewis.tl@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > John
    >
    >
    > I have an 8 airbag coach. If you have those number can you send me the
    > correct numbers please? I know I have Bilstein shocks ... it is down right
    > unnerving when the 42' beast starts wobbling all over the road after an
    > expected bump or hump, especially at night.
    >
    >
    > Robert and Bev Lewis
    > 2000 Safari Continental
    > 3126B Cat, 330hp
    > MD3060 Allison
    >
    >
    > https://safaritoonces.org
    >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42449 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Gotta disagree with you. For the sake of argument if oil is the only reason (btw shocks have oil in them, so I guess if your premise is true it could apply to shocks) cars get more mileage today, then how do you explain the 70s era chevy truck my dad bought new that, a year later, was already starting to rust? Body panels no less? Or 80/90s American sedans whose transmissions would go 60k miles before they were shot? I’m going to use my 1982 Yamaha XJ 650 as an example. I used modern synthetic oil in it, because I tend to be lazy, and don’t want to change oil as often. I bought it with 1k miles on it In the early 2000s. Transmission broke at 18k. Common problem for that bike. And at that point it was already burning oil. Today I have a 2008 Kawasaki, twice as heavy, twice as powerful, 70 k miles, haven’t changed anything out except wear items like tires, brake pads, air and oil filters. Nothing. Only done one valve adjustment although by spec I was suppose to do four. And I ride it MUCH harder than the old Yamaha because I’m a much better rider. Motorcycle cylinders are vastly different than they use to be. Cylinders use to be steel lined. Today they are coated aluminum, cools much faster, wears much longer, not even a comparison on life. How do I know? I’ve had dirt bikes with steel liners and modern dirt bikes that are nikasilled, at the SAME time, using the same OIL. All these changes I’ve mentioned, plus millions more from small to large (including oil) are why cars drive farther and longer. Otherwise people could just buy a model T and put new oil in it and get 300k miles. No need for modern cars.

    And lastly, RV technology certainly has progressed just like motorcycle shock technology. I see diesel pushers going 80 down the freeway pulling huge trailers. I see them going 70 around corners. I see them going 70 up hills pulling roads. I see them with slides, two bathrooms, dishwashers, etc, etc, etc. I see them do hundreds if not thousands of things my Safari can’t do. A lot of those things are related to better suspension technology, undoubtedly, more though a whole host of technological advancements. Things get better. My dad, a professional ASE certified mechanic who worked in other people’s shops to owning his own shop , to drag racer, motorcycle racer, snowmobile and boat enthusiast, of 45 years agrees with me on this one. Modern stuff handles better, has more hp, is more reliable, lasts longer, is more comfortable, has less maintenance (on average)! than old stuff.

    But I bought a Safari because I wanted a challenge, and I had the cash. And I certainly didn’t have cash for a modem diesel pusher! Even though you don’t have confidence in my decision, I will still share my results. And I still appreciate all your input, and the input of this group. It’s the only reason I’ve been successful in this purchase!

    Cheers
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42451 From: bilmac36 . Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
    John, 
    Yea, I was skeptical myself when I saw it, but figured I'd send your way as an FYI.

    One of the other fellas on here appears to have also bought the new shocks for the front...or at least that is how I read his reply. So the group should have at least two folks putting them on. He's in the same email thread here.  I'll go back and look for his name. But he noted he'd provide feedback as well.

    Respectfully,

    Willie, 1995 40’ Continental, 8.3L Cummins, Allison 6 spd,  

    Owned since 1999/2000. Central Time Zone. 



    On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:07 AM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    Willie,

    Thanks for the attachment, even though it really does not show
    anything to compare. No real numbers and the graph is confusing to say
    the least. This is not to say that the shock is bad, but at Koni's
    prices I can't afford to "experiment". Hopefully, with time, we will
    get feedback from Robert F.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/30/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > John,
    > Hey, ck out the attached spec sheet and see if it allows an apples to apples
    > comparison on the Koni shocks so many of us have ordered &/or using, the 88
    > series.
    > Thanks,
    > Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >
    > Sent from my iPhone
    >
    > Begin forwarded message:
    >
    >> From: Support <support@...>
    >> Date: July 30, 2019 at 11:57:49 AM CDT
    >> To: bilmac36@...
    >> Subject: Koni EVO
    >>
    >> Here you go! Let me know if you have any other questions.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Jon Brazel
    >> Parts Manager
    >> Ultra RV / Brazel's RV
    >> p: 800-417-4559 ext. 201
    >> f: 360-736-9497
    >> a: 3912 Harrison Ave.
    >> Centralia, WA 98531
    >> w: www.ultrarvproducts.com e: support@...
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42455 From: waspph6 Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    I finally got around to installing my Koni shocks but haven't given them a test drive yet. I ordered them using the part numbers supplied by John but Ultra RV did not have one of the numbers (can't remember which) and couldn't tell me when they would get more so I orderd them from Summit racing. I paid more but had the correct number shock in 2 days. Interestingly the rear pair was painted gold but had the correct numbers stamped in the shock body. I adjusted them as John said and will see how it goes. I have 4 good bilsteins if anyone wants them to play with just pay the shipping.

    Hal
    94 Serengeti Duo Door 8.3 Cummins 6 speed allison trans
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42457 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Robert F,

    I will agree to disagree, but I get your point. There needs to be a
    balance between the KISS rule and technology/product advancement.
    Otherwise this technology becomes only affordable for the rich folks.
    Back in the 80's and 90's, and even earlier, if one could not afford a
    new car, or a new RV, they could buy a used unit and be able to repair
    it and maintain it themselves. Now days it is a different story. Try
    to do your own repair and maintenance on the new high end coaches, or
    a Tesla. As these highly advanced and technical coaches and cars age,
    they will be unaffordable to own, repair and maintain. Here our
    coaches may be a challenge to maintain and repair at times, but 20 to
    30 years down the road they are still going gracefully down the road.
    Can you honestly say that these highly advanced modern coaches will be
    going down the road in 30 years? Will the average Joe be able to
    afford to maintain a nice older diesel pusher, like we are able to do
    with these diesel pusher Safaris??? I didn't even touch upon the
    expensive headache of modern day diesel emissions.
    Can you imagine the logistical nightmare restoring and maintaining a
    high end Mercedes, BMW, or Corvette, when it is 50 to a 100 years old?
    If you ever had a point in your life, where you had to make something
    out of nothing, I think you will understand what I'm trying to say.

    70 mph on corners with an RV? You think that is a good thing?

    BTW, I never said that I don't have confidence in your purchase, in
    fact, I'm glad that you did purchase them, and am looking forward to
    the feedback. I do have lack of confidence in the way Koni has dealt
    with Safari coaches and the issues Safari owners had with their specd
    shocks, and thus, I don't have a lot of confidence in the new shocks,
    and can't afford to experiment. So, your feedback will be very much
    appreciated. I hope for all of us, that this shock will be 10 times
    better than what we are using now.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd


    On 7/31/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Gotta disagree with you. For the sake of argument if oil is the only reason
    > (btw shocks have oil in them, so I guess if your premise is true it could
    > apply to shocks) cars get more mileage today, then how do you explain the
    > 70s era chevy truck my dad bought new that, a year later, was already
    > starting to rust? Body panels no less? Or 80/90s American sedans whose
    > transmissions would go 60k miles before they were shot? I’m going to use my
    > 1982 Yamaha XJ 650 as an example. I used modern synthetic oil in it,
    > because I tend to be lazy, and don’t want to change oil as often. I bought
    > it with 1k miles on it In the early 2000s. Transmission broke at 18k.
    > Common problem for that bike. And at that point it was already burning oil.
    > Today I have a 2008 Kawasaki, twice as heavy, twice as powerful, 70 k
    > miles, haven’t changed anything out except wear items like tires, brake
    > pads, air and oil filters. Nothing. Only done one valve adjustment
    > although by spec I was suppose to do four. And I ride it MUCH harder than
    > the old Yamaha because I’m a much better rider. Motorcycle cylinders are
    > vastly different than they use to be. Cylinders use to be steel lined.
    > Today they are coated aluminum, cools much faster, wears much longer, not
    > even a comparison on life. How do I know? I’ve had dirt bikes with steel
    > liners and modern dirt bikes that are nikasilled, at the SAME time, using
    > the same OIL. All these changes I’ve mentioned, plus millions more from
    > small to large (including oil) are why cars drive farther and longer.
    > Otherwise people could just buy a model T and put new oil in it and get 300k
    > miles. No need for modern cars.
    >
    > And lastly, RV technology certainly has progressed just like motorcycle
    > shock technology. I see diesel pushers going 80 down the freeway pulling
    > huge trailers. I see them going 70 around corners. I see them going 70 up
    > hills pulling roads. I see them with slides, two bathrooms, dishwashers,
    > etc, etc, etc. I see them do hundreds if not thousands of things my Safari
    > can’t do. A lot of those things are related to better suspension
    > technology, undoubtedly, more though a whole host of technological
    > advancements. Things get better. My dad, a professional ASE certified
    > mechanic who worked in other people’s shops to owning his own shop , to drag
    > racer, motorcycle racer, snowmobile and boat enthusiast, of 45 years agrees
    > with me on this one. Modern stuff handles better, has more hp, is more
    > reliable, lasts longer, is more comfortable, has less maintenance (on
    > average)! than old stuff.
    >
    > But I bought a Safari because I wanted a challenge, and I had the cash. And
    > I certainly didn’t have cash for a modem diesel pusher! Even though you
    > don’t have confidence in my decision, I will still share my results. And I
    > still appreciate all your input, and the input of this group. It’s the only
    > reason I’ve been successful in this purchase!
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    >
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42458 From: TD Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
    Willie,

    Wow! Owned since '99 or '00, no wonder that you don't remember
    anything about the Sahara that you owned for a brief period before
    buying the Continental. Lol. Good on you for keeping it so long.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/31/19, 'bilmac36 .' bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > John,
    > Yea, I was skeptical myself when I saw it, but figured I'd send your way as
    > an FYI.
    >
    > One of the other fellas on here appears to have also bought the new shocks
    > for the front...or at least that is how I read his reply. So the group
    > should have at least two folks putting them on. He's in the same email
    > thread here. I'll go back and look for his name. But he noted he'd provide
    > feedback as well.
    >
    > Respectfully,
    >
    > Willie, 1995 40’ Continental, 8.3L Cummins, Allison 6 spd,
    >
    > Owned since 1999/2000. Central Time Zone.
    >
    >
    > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:07 AM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <
    > Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> Willie,
    >>
    >> Thanks for the attachment, even though it really does not show
    >> anything to compare. No real numbers and the graph is confusing to say
    >> the least. This is not to say that the shock is bad, but at Koni's
    >> prices I can't afford to "experiment". Hopefully, with time, we will
    >> get feedback from Robert F.
    >>
    >> John
    >> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >> 6spd
    >>
    >> On 7/30/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >> > John,
    >> > Hey, ck out the attached spec sheet and see if it allows an apples to
    >> apples
    >> > comparison on the Koni shocks so many of us have ordered &/or using,
    >> > the
    >> 88
    >> > series.
    >> > Thanks,
    >> > Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >> >
    >> > Sent from my iPhone
    >> >
    >> > Begin forwarded message:
    >> >
    >> >> From: Support <support@...>
    >> >> Date: July 30, 2019 at 11:57:49 AM CDT
    >> >> To: bilmac36@...
    >> >> Subject: Koni EVO
    >> >>
    >> >> Here you go! Let me know if you have any other questions.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Jon Brazel
    >> >> Parts Manager
    >> >> Ultra RV / Brazel's RV
    >> >> p: 800-417-4559 ext. 201
    >> >> f: 360-736-9497
    >> >> a: 3912 Harrison Ave.
    >> >> Centralia, WA 98531
    >> >> w: www.ultrarvproducts.com e: support@...
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42460 From: bilmac36 . Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Koni EVO
    John, 
    Yea, it has been/was home to me and other family members several different times during my Navy career. 
    Very versatile, was my moving vehicle and pulled a 24' overloaded toybox trailer from coast to coast without issues.
    Has a bit of history in her bones, just need to get back to enjoying her again...or sell it. I am realizing she has quite a few bells and whistles others don't have, like double pain windows, and such. And I don't have the $'s to buy anything new of her quality, nor would I where I am in life. It like owning a fine mansion IMHO. 

    Owned the Sahara (?) less than 6 month. It was basically new, seemed to recall less than 3k miles (maybe <5k.) Other than it being fully loaded and plush, the memory of driving cross country to attend my Grandma's funeral sticks with me. Had Christmas with kids somewhere in middle of TX shortly after midnight as I recall. I'll eventually get around to asking one of my extended family members if they recall what mural was on it. We live and learn, might not have been my best deal made throughout my time frame. Opinions will swing both ways.

    Thanks for asking.  


    Respectfully,

    Willie, 1995 40’ Continental, 8.3L Cummins, Allison 6 spd,  

    Owned since 1999/2000. Central Time Zone. 



    On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 10:56 AM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    Willie,

    Wow! Owned since '99 or '00, no wonder that you don't remember
    anything about the Sahara that you owned for a brief period before
    buying the Continental. Lol. Good on you for keeping it so long.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/31/19, 'bilmac36 .' bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > John,
    > Yea, I was skeptical myself when I saw it, but figured I'd send your way as
    > an FYI.
    >
    > One of the other fellas on here appears to have also bought the new shocks
    > for the front...or at least that is how I read his reply. So the group
    > should have at least two folks putting them on. He's in the same email
    > thread here. I'll go back and look for his name. But he noted he'd provide
    > feedback as well.
    >
    > Respectfully,
    >
    > Willie, 1995 40’ Continental, 8.3L Cummins, Allison 6 spd,
    >
    > Owned since 1999/2000. Central Time Zone.
    >
    >
    > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:07 AM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <
    > Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> Willie,
    >>
    >> Thanks for the attachment, even though it really does not show
    >> anything to compare. No real numbers and the graph is confusing to say
    >> the least. This is not to say that the shock is bad, but at Koni's
    >> prices I can't afford to "experiment". Hopefully, with time, we will
    >> get feedback from Robert F.
    >>
    >> John
    >> '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    >> 6spd
    >>
    >> On 7/30/19, bilmac36 bilmac36@... [Safarifriends]
    >> <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >> > John,
    >> > Hey, ck out the attached spec sheet and see if it allows an apples to
    >> apples
    >> > comparison on the Koni shocks so many of us have ordered &/or using,
    >> > the
    >> 88
    >> > series.
    >> > Thanks,
    >> > Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd
    >> >
    >> > Sent from my iPhone
    >> >
    >> > Begin forwarded message:
    >> >
    >> >> From: Support <support@...>
    >> >> Date: July 30, 2019 at 11:57:49 AM CDT
    >> >> To: bilmac36@...
    >> >> Subject: Koni EVO
    >> >>
    >> >> Here you go! Let me know if you have any other questions.
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Jon Brazel
    >> >> Parts Manager
    >> >> Ultra RV / Brazel's RV
    >> >> p: 800-417-4559 ext. 201
    >> >> f: 360-736-9497
    >> >> a: 3912 Harrison Ave.
    >> >> Centralia, WA 98531
    >> >> w: www.ultrarvproducts.com e: support@...
    >> >
    >>
    >>
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42462 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    Interesting points made on both sides.  Cannot argue against the serviceability of classic technology.  Case in point: had a “young kid” that grew up with my son call me Sunday night seeking ideas.  He bought a clean 2005 Alpine Classic (class A) by Western RV a year ago.  Upon connecting the lighting connector from a new toy hauler (with all LED lighting) he got over the weekend, all the running, turn signal, and brakes lights died on his coach.  We talked about combing the trailer wiring for shorts and ground faults.  The stinker is all those coach lamps are controlled by a multiple output “driver module” sitting on a CAN bus, not a fuse or other current device to be found. Besides completely powering down the coach to reboot the CAN bus, only recourse we see is purchasing a proprietary “driver module”.  Sure, we do not have a diagnostic system that will individually report a failed bulb on our coaches, nor do I think we want such at the complexity (diminished reliability) and potential repair costs.  A light check before leaving on a trip does not take us that long. Happy Motoring!
    v/r,

    Taylor
    ‘98 Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126


    On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:07 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    Robert F,

    I will agree to disagree, but I get your point. There needs to be a
    balance between the KISS rule and technology/product advancement.
    Otherwise this technology becomes only affordable for the rich folks.
    Back in the 80's and 90's, and even earlier, if one could not afford a
    new car, or a new RV, they could buy a used unit and be able to repair
    it and maintain it themselves. Now days it is a different story. Try
    to do your own repair and maintenance on the new high end coaches, or
    a Tesla. As these highly advanced and technical coaches and cars age,
    they will be unaffordable to own, repair and maintain. Here our
    coaches may be a challenge to maintain and repair at times, but 20 to
    30 years down the road they are still going gracefully down the road.
    Can you honestly say that these highly advanced modern coaches will be
    going down the road in 30 years? Will the average Joe be able to
    afford to maintain a nice older diesel pusher, like we are able to do
    with these diesel pusher Safaris??? I didn't even touch upon the
    expensive headache of modern day diesel emissions.
    Can you imagine the logistical nightmare restoring and maintaining a
    high end Mercedes, BMW, or Corvette, when it is 50 to a 100 years old?
    If you ever had a point in your life, where you had to make something
    out of nothing, I think you will understand what I'm trying to say.

    70 mph on corners with an RV? You think that is a good thing?

    BTW, I never said that I don't have confidence in your purchase, in
    fact, I'm glad that you did purchase them, and am looking forward to
    the feedback. I do have lack of confidence in the way Koni has dealt
    with Safari coaches and the issues Safari owners had with their specd
    shocks, and thus, I don't have a lot of confidence in the new shocks,
    and can't afford to experiment. So, your feedback will be very much
    appreciated. I hope for all of us, that this shock will be 10 times
    better than what we are using now.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/31/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Gotta disagree with you. For the sake of argument if oil is the only reason
    > (btw shocks have oil in them, so I guess if your premise is true it could
    > apply to shocks) cars get more mileage today, then how do you explain the
    > 70s era chevy truck my dad bought new that, a year later, was already
    > starting to rust? Body panels no less? Or 80/90s American sedans whose
    > transmissions would go 60k miles before they were shot? I’m going to use my
    > 1982 Yamaha XJ 650 as an example. I used modern synthetic oil in it,
    > because I tend to be lazy, and don’t want to change oil as often. I bought
    > it with 1k miles on it In the early 2000s. Transmission broke at 18k.
    > Common problem for that bike. And at that point it was already burning oil.
    > Today I have a 2008 Kawasaki, twice as heavy, twice as powerful, 70 k
    > miles, haven’t changed anything out except wear items like tires, brake
    > pads, air and oil filters. Nothing. Only done one valve adjustment
    > although by spec I was suppose to do four. And I ride it MUCH harder than
    > the old Yamaha because I’m a much better rider. Motorcycle cylinders are
    > vastly different than they use to be. Cylinders use to be steel lined..
    > Today they are coated aluminum, cools much faster, wears much longer, not
    > even a comparison on life. How do I know? I’ve had dirt bikes with steel
    > liners and modern dirt bikes that are nikasilled, at the SAME time, using
    > the same OIL. All these changes I’ve mentioned, plus millions more from
    > small to large (including oil) are why cars drive farther and longer.
    > Otherwise people could just buy a model T and put new oil in it and get 300k
    > miles. No need for modern cars.
    >
    > And lastly, RV technology certainly has progressed just like motorcycle
    > shock technology. I see diesel pushers going 80 down the freeway pulling
    > huge trailers. I see them going 70 around corners. I see them going 70 up
    > hills pulling roads. I see them with slides, two bathrooms, dishwashers,
    > etc, etc, etc. I see them do hundreds if not thousands of things my Safari
    > can’t do. A lot of those things are related to better suspension
    > technology, undoubtedly, more though a whole host of technological
    > advancements. Things get better. My dad, a professional ASE certified
    > mechanic who worked in other people’s shops to owning his own shop , to drag
    > racer, motorcycle racer, snowmobile and boat enthusiast, of 45 years agrees
    > with me on this one. Modern stuff handles better, has more hp, is more
    > reliable, lasts longer, is more comfortable, has less maintenance (on
    > average)! than old stuff.
    >
    > But I bought a Safari because I wanted a challenge, and I had the cash.. And
    > I certainly didn’t have cash for a modem diesel pusher! Even though you
    > don’t have confidence in my decision, I will still share my results. And I
    > still appreciate all your input, and the input of this group. It’s the only
    > reason I’ve been successful in this purchase!
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    >
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42476 From: Robert Lewis Date: 7/31/2019
    Subject: Re: 1994 Continental Komi part #
    John

    Thank you very much... These are on the list at the top...

    Robert and Bev Lewis
    2000 Safari Continental
    3126B Cat, 330hp
    MD3060 Allison



    On July 31, 2019 1:16:53 AM "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Robert L,

    Here are the Koni FSD numbers:

    Front: 8805-1004SP1

    Rear: 8805-1005SP1

    If you want the more economical version, the Koni Reds, let me know.
    For what it is worth, the feedback I'm getting on these series shocks,
    when used on airbag suspensions, is very good. So, it seems like money
    well spent.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 7/30/19, Robert Lewis robert.lewis.tl@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > John
    >
    >
    > I have an 8 airbag coach. If you have those number can you send me the
    > correct numbers please? I know I have Bilstein shocks ... it is down right
    > unnerving when the 42' beast starts wobbling all over the road after an
    > expected bump or hump, especially at night.
    >
    >
    > Robert and Bev Lewis
    > 2000 Safari Continental
    > 3126B Cat, 330hp
    > MD3060 Allison
    >
    >
    > https://safaritoonces.org
    >
    >


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42617 From: agsnowflake@gmail.com Date: 8/6/2019
    Subject: Re: 2000 safari sahara
    Help   I am trying to get diesel heater to start. I have a Quantum heating system control board. A seaward water heater and a round cylinder with a black cap with a fan under it . Four switches inside.  Master -diesel furnace-hot water and engine pre heat. Only time anything happens is when  master and diesel furnace are on then  the pump runs . But I do not hear anything that sounds like the burner fires.  I have put a new filter in line to burner. Do I need to prime it? The cylinder has hydronic L-D16WN- 25 2165. Previous owner wrote shut of switch reset furnace black button 15 secs. Reset button?
          Can I set ride height before new shocks are installed? I am putting on new tires. It is low in front about two inches on left side and 1 inch on right. Have filled propane tank and have 50 gal of fuel in tank. Still thinking about how many tools to load in coach .  
           Onan 7.5 diesel gen starts but dies . I have changed air and fuel filters. It flashes three times then 1 time. 
         Thanks for all the help. 
    ALAN
    2000 SAFARI SAHARA
    3126 300 CAT       

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42668 From: TD Date: 8/8/2019
    Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
    Robert,

    This torsion spring suspension is actually a very good, simple and
    durable design. It was widely used, and maybe still is used on buses
    in Mexico with great success. These torsion springs are know to easily
    handle in excess of 1 million miles without issues and needing
    repairs.
    That said, some of the issues with these suspensions on Safari
    coaches, is Safari did a poor job on how they installed and set up
    theses suspension. This necessitated things like the radius rods and
    panhard rods (Tiger Traks). For an example, on the older Foretravel
    Coaches that had the BF Goodrich torsional suspension, there were no
    issues, because they did a good job executing the installation.
    Another is was, as Safari added more weight to these couches, which
    were mostly the later model years, they did not upgrade the capacity
    of the springs, at least not on all of the newer coaches. So some of
    those models had problems. The older models are pretty much zero
    failure rate to this day. The older models with the Oshkosh chassis
    were the lightest, so some of those coaches have never needed any
    height adjustment at all, and these coaches are in excess of 25 years
    old.

    Another thing to note on the older models, well, at least on my '95.
    The center line of the suspension travel is not at the standard 25''
    of ride height, it is more like 24.25 or 24.5 inches, I forget the
    number when I had it last measured. My only guess for this
    discrepancy, is '94 and '95 model years were the first two years for
    the in house Magnum chassis, and they were literally learning as they
    went along. Some of the visible differences are, the '96 and newer
    units have the propane tank in the front, and the fuel tank and water
    tank are placed a bit differently too. On the older models, the
    propane tank is in the rear. With the different setups, even the the
    Front Tiger Trak bars are different between the '96 and new coaches
    and the '94/'95 models years.

    Before you do a ride height adjustment on your '94 Safari (I don't
    remember your model), with the shocks disconnected, measure your
    suspension travel, split the difference, raise your coach up to that
    center point you measured at, and then measure your ride height. This
    will tell you where the suspension center point is, using the ride
    height measurements. This is the likely reason why your coach does not
    bottom out, even though it may be bellow the 25 inch spec.
    To make this even more odd for us older coach owners, the rear
    suspension center point is 25 inches, just like the rest of the
    coaches.

    One last note, I don't know how it is for other coaches, but on my
    coach, even with the correct ride height, the drive shaft angle are
    horrible, and short of remounting the engine mounts, there is nothing
    you can do about it.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 8/8/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > So the sagging springs (torsion tube) just wears out? Most trucks today
    > that use torsion springs (just round metal) are adjustable in preload, which
    > raises the heighth. Seems like a bad design. I guess they had their
    > reasoning? Or was it just to save money over a air bag system? Or air bags
    > weren’t popular then?
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42669 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 8/8/2019
    Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
    Certainly compressing a spring, while not changing the spring itself, changes how it performs, whether it be a torsion or a coil spring.

    Thanks for all the info! I just was under my coach, tinkering, moving things with a lever, and I thought the spring rate seemed soft. My coach only has 42k miles, so it can’t be much from wear. Maybe that’s just the way it was designed. After I get the new shocks on I will evaluate the ride.

    94 Continental
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42670 From: TD Date: 8/8/2019
    Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
    Robert,

    You are absolutely correct, but as Jim explaned, whether it is a steel
    or rubber torsion spring, adjusting ride hight will not compress
    either style of spring. It is the load you put on the spring, by
    loading it. Hence, coach and cargo weight. On some vehicle with steel
    torsion springs, one could, in theory, over-tighten the spring to the
    point that the suspension is loaded beyond the extended suspension
    travel, tightening that spring beyond that travel will begin to load
    it, but these circumstances are not realistic and would be improper
    procedure. On our coaches it is physically IMPOSSIBLE to load the
    spring by adjusting ride height. As Jim explained very well, it is the
    weight you put on the spring that loads it, raising the coach height
    does not and will not add weight in of itself. It is plain physics and
    geometry...

    As for your torsion springs, they are supposed to be soft for a good
    quality ride. If the inner tube is centered inside the square tube,
    and your shackles are not cocked/lopsided/out of alignment, then it is
    very likely that there is nothing wrong with your springs.

    If you want, post pictures of your springs and shackles in question,
    so we could take a look at the condition and how well it is
    centered/aligned. Also please post your ride height at all for tires,
    measured on level ground.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 8/8/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Certainly compressing a spring, while not changing the spring itself,
    > changes how it performs, whether it be a torsion or a coil spring.
    >
    > Thanks for all the info! I just was under my coach, tinkering, moving
    > things with a lever, and I thought the spring rate seemed soft. My coach
    > only has 42k miles, so it can’t be much from wear. Maybe that’s just the
    > way it was designed. After I get the new shocks on I will evaluate the
    > ride.
    >
    > 94 Continental
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42671 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 8/8/2019
    Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
    TD, thank you for the info. I can see how in this case it makes no difference, as you aren’t adjusting the torsion tube to adjust ride heighth. I’m hoping my new shocks make all the difference. I received the Evo Koni’s, but 1) had a problem getting one old shock off 2) tried putting one new one on without greasing or de rusting the shaft it goes onto and it is stuck but not seated. Ordered a puller for both problems. Sometimes I make the dumbest mistakes.

    Thanks again! I think I’m going to leave the suspension right where shes as at for now, especially since I’m not on level ground and don’t want to move. Maybe when I’m in Mexico this winter, tired of sipping margaritas and surfing, I will tackle this.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42672 From: TD Date: 8/8/2019
    Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
    Robert,

    Mexico sounds like it will be a blast, and lower cost of living to
    boot. A win win.

    As for your ride/shocks, remind me, what are the issues you are having
    with your ride quality. Harsh ride, porpoising???

    Try using PB Blaster and a rubber mallet, with some finagling you
    should be able to get it back off. Before greasing and reinstalling, I
    would sand down or file the rust off.

    The shocks you removed, were the Bilstein? If yes, they are probably
    original and were really rusted on good.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
    6spd

    On 8/8/19, robertfury@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > TD, thank you for the info. I can see how in this case it makes no
    > difference, as you aren’t adjusting the torsion tube to adjust ride heighth.
    > I’m hoping my new shocks make all the difference. I received the Evo
    > Koni’s, but 1) had a problem getting one old shock off 2) tried putting one
    > new one on without greasing or de rusting the shaft it goes onto and it is
    > stuck but not seated. Ordered a puller for both problems. Sometimes I make
    > the dumbest mistakes.
    >
    > Thanks again! I think I’m going to leave the suspension right where shes as
    > at for now, especially since I’m not on level ground and don’t want to move.
    > Maybe when I’m in Mexico this winter, tired of sipping margaritas and
    > surfing, I will tackle this.
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42673 From: robertfury@gmail.com Date: 8/8/2019
    Subject: Re: Ride heighth adjustment
    I did the PB blaster to no avail. I spend a month ON the ocean in Texas, I suspect this is the problem. They are actually some semi truck shocks I bought to SAVE money. Replaced the original Koni’s. As it turns out the originals might not have even been worn out, but lesson learned. Extreme porpoising, which tells me there isn’t enough dampening. Also some wander, but I’ve gotten used to that, and it’s not really all that bad. Steering rack is tight, tires good, maybe alignment, I doubt one has ever been done since I bought it with 35k miles. So porpoising and side to side back and forth pitching when going over curbs/uneven surfaces.

    Very excited about Mexico. That’s why I’ve been posting so much here lately. I did a complete interior remodel when I bought the coach, also redid the roof, but didn’t attend to the mechanical as much. Now that I’ve driven it 7k miles I know the problems that I want to fix. If you’ve ever been to Baja, you know the roads can go from super smooth to terribly pot holed in an instant. So even though a good ride won’t help on the worst of roads, it will make it a safer more enjoyable coach to drive on the rest.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42872 From: ondaflore Date: 8/23/2019
    Subject: Re: Electrical system,
    All, et al,

    I started to post the picture of a  wild goose...   a wild goose running, no,a wild goose being chased,  but decided to not waste the bandwidth.  When someone asks for help, it sounds like there is a need to specifically ask them "what work was done before the the problem arose?  What was removed, replaced, bypassed, cleaned, oiled, painted, submerged, stolen, fondled, carpeted, wallpapered, fried, sauteed, fricasseed, title pawned, glued, degreased, loaned and not returned, dry rotted, waterlogged,do you have the washer/dryer option, Koni shocks, Bluetooth commode, etc" before attempting to offer troubleshooting advice.  Ambiguous, semi coherent questions that obviously have not been proofread for clarity should be a red flag that there is a deep, deep rabbit hole lurking ahead.

    Or is it just me?

    Bob
    2001 Zanzibar
    330 CAT 3126B
    Everything still works, despite recently replacing the front air conditioner.
    Coffee Drinker
    Huntsville, AL
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42873 From: TD Date: 8/23/2019
    Subject: Re: Electrical system,
    Bob,

    Sounds like that wild goose drank some of your coffee, or is it Irish coffee?😄

    How did you make out with your hydroboost issues?

    John
    '95 Serengeti Cummins 8.3L

    On 8/23/19, ondaflore@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > All, et al,
    >
    >
    >
    > I started to post the picture of a wild goose... a wild goose running,
    > no,a wild goose being chased, but decided to not waste the bandwidth. When
    > someone asks for help, it sounds like there is a need to specifically ask
    > them "what work was done before the the problem arose? What was removed,
    > replaced, bypassed, cleaned, oiled, painted, submerged, stolen, fondled,
    > carpeted, wallpapered, fried, sauteed, fricasseed, title pawned, glued,
    > degreased, loaned and not returned, dry rotted, waterlogged,do you have the
    > washer/dryer option, Koni shocks, Bluetooth commode, etc" before attempting
    > to offer troubleshooting advice. Ambiguous, semi coherent questions that
    > obviously have not been proofread for clarity should be a red flag that
    > there is a deep, deep rabbit hole lurking ahead.
    >
    >
    > Or is it just me?
    >
    >
    > Bob
    > 2001 Zanzibar
    > 330 CAT 3126B
    > Everything still works, despite recently replacing the front air
    > conditioner.
    > Coffee Drinker
    > Huntsville, AL
    >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 42875 From: Robert Lewis Date: 8/23/2019
    Subject: Re: Electrical system,
    LOL... good one Bob!

    Robert and Bev Lewis
    2000 Safari Continental, since 2017
    3126B Cat, 330hp
    MD3060 Allison



    On August 23, 2019 7:02:09 AM "ondaflore@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    All, et al,

    I started to post the picture of a  wild goose...   a wild goose running, no,a wild goose being chased,  but decided to not waste the bandwidth.  When someone asks for help, it sounds like there is a need to specifically ask them "what work was done before the the problem arose?  What was removed, replaced, bypassed, cleaned, oiled, painted, submerged, stolen, fondled, carpeted, wallpapered, fried, sauteed, fricasseed, title pawned, glued, degreased, loaned and not returned, dry rotted, waterlogged,do you have the washer/dryer option, Koni shocks, Bluetooth commode, etc" before attempting to offer troubleshooting advice.  Ambiguous, semi coherent questions that obviously have not been proofread for clarity should be a red flag that there is a deep, deep rabbit hole lurking ahead.

    Or is it just me?

    Bob
    2001 Zanzibar
    330 CAT 3126B
    Everything still works, despite recently replacing the front air conditioner.
    Coffee Drinker
    Huntsville, AL