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Group: Safarifriends Message: 13063 From: KarenInTheWoods * Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Conclusion to Re: rut roh..... repairs!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13195 From: ChrisJ Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re: NEW for us Scooter
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13197 From: TheMopedWhiz Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re: NEW for us Scooter
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13251 From: John Clevenger Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Trip report 5000 mile trip out west - Koni's outstanding
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13553 From: randy.kenagy Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Trip Report
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13824 From: Joe Gill Date: 8/2/2011
Subject: Re: 9R22.5
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13926 From: KarenInTheWoods * Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Leveling with RVA system
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14027 From: Big Bubba Safari Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: Looking at 97 Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14028 From: Julie Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Looking at 97 Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14035 From: safaritrekker Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Looking at 97 Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14150 From: goodtimesbus Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Looking at 97 Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14279 From: KarenInTheWoods * Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14280 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14281 From: dddugger9@q.com Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14282 From: John Clevenger Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14283 From: Carl S Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14284 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14285 From: Al Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Karen-Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14287 From: KarenInTheWoods * Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Karen-Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14288 From: John Clevenger Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14290 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14291 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14295 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14296 From: rpalominod90@yahoo.com Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14297 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14299 From: Jake Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14302 From: NTRussell Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14311 From: parrishwa Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14317 From: slim_chestnut Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride/ Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14318 From: Gary Smith Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride/ Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14555 From: mandolin_blue Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride sus
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14557 From: Joe Gill Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14569 From: CarlE Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14570 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14572 From: slim_chestnut Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14599 From: Jake Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14616 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15295 From: Bubba Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Re: Front Shocks for '91 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15306 From: vp21lh1 Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Re: Front Shocks for '91 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15308 From: Bill Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Re: Front Shocks for '91 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15547 From: TERRY SELVIDGE Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Missi Blue II Has a New Set Of Shoes
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15978 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15980 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15981 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15982 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15997 From: pschafersr Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16000 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16001 From: pschafersr Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16065 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16066 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726



Group: Safarifriends Message: 13063 From: KarenInTheWoods * Date: 6/11/2011
Subject: Conclusion to Re: rut roh..... repairs!
Well, my darling Mr. Fixit Steveio got the other portion of the shock absorber mounting bracket bolts unrusted and removed ... he took it in to work and welded it up on his lunch hour and added two triangular gussets to reinforce it.   Makes it stronger and better he said. 

He bolted it back into place and all is good again....  

(see pics in album on home page in the same album as "Steveio's new water pump" ---  I have photos of the fixed bracket  ..... but I didn't get a pic of it yet where it's back in place-- he works too quick!!!)

When looking at the passenger side bracket, it looks like it had already been reinforced!   Perhaps by the previous owner? 

Next project: installing his new water pump and the accumulator tank--stay tuned!  



Karen and Steve
1996 Safari Serengeti 38ft DP
Geo Tracker Toad
he is gearing up for a "guyz fishin' weekend" 

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On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:29 PM, KarenInTheWoods * <pfundt@...> wrote:
This past weekend we noticed a bit of a rattle and it seemed the shocks were bad up front.... hmmmm our shocks were only 1 year old!   Soooooo  tonight Steveio got up under there, shocks are fine.   

but.... rut roh (in the famous Scooby Do dialect) 

the brace or frame piece that holds the top of the shock on the driver's side is cracked right in half!!!!  

Steve got one part off (see pics in album on home page in the same album as Steveio's new water pump)   and the other part is still kinda stuck so he sprayed the nuts and will let it sit overnight and work on them tomorrow.    He figures he can weld it and reinforce it to be even stronger than it was.   

Part of the break looks very old, and just the last inch or so looks like a fresh break, so we are surmising it has been this way for a while?

Anyone else have this break on their rigs?

Karen and Steveio
1996 Safari Serengeti 38ft DP
Geo Tracker Toad
-----waylaid in the driveway till repairs are done-----
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 http://kareninthewoods-kareninthewoods.blogspot.com/
(Camping/Family Photos)  http://picasaweb.google.com/pfundt/
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 13195 From: ChrisJ Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re: NEW for us Scooter
I have a similar setup with a tilt ramp. I'll warn you that you should try and tie the scooter down through the wheels, rather than the frame. The issues is on the frame, you compress the shocks, but because the scooter is on the back of the MH, it moves around A LOT. This can create a lot of stress in the tie-downs, especially, if you go over a bump, compress the shocks in the scooter, and then it bounces up. I lost a Honda 250 scooter tied down with 4 600Lb straps. It snapped everyone one, and the scooter only weighted 300 Lbs.

I then learned that if you tie to the wheels, they don't compress (as much) and you won't create the "snap" stress as tyeing with the shocks.

We left the scooter in Tucson at a cycle salvage shop after we picked it up off the road. Live & learn.

Some motorcycle shops sell a brace to keep the shocks from compressing all the way, so you have a "hard stop" to pull down to. Or you can make one from wood.

But I like the look of the Rowdy. Good luck,

Chris Johnson
34' 94 Safari Kalahari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13197 From: TheMopedWhiz Date: 6/19/2011
Subject: Re: NEW for us Scooter
the rear wheel is tied, the front is in the wheel chock
there are (2) ties over the frame, (1) midships, (1) over the rear

then the (2) on the front

I have a habit of pulling the shocks down, they can't compress much, so there is NO rebound stress on the straps

I can't say an Incident will never happen, but so far, different bikes, and 15yrs, everything has been OK

including ONE 6000m round trip, with a different bike on the back of a previous RV , a dodge chassis gasser

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "ChrisJ" <cpj3@...> wrote:
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>
>
> I have a similar setup with a tilt ramp. I'll warn you that you should try and tie the scooter down through the wheels, rather than the frame. The issues is on the frame, you compress the shocks, but because the scooter is on the back of the MH, it moves around A LOT. This can create a lot of stress in the tie-downs, especially, if you go over a bump, compress the shocks in the scooter, and then it bounces up. I lost a Honda 250 scooter tied down with 4 600Lb straps. It snapped everyone one, and the scooter only weighted 300 Lbs.
>
> I then learned that if you tie to the wheels, they don't compress (as much) and you won't create the "snap" stress as tyeing with the shocks.
>
> We left the scooter in Tucson at a cycle salvage shop after we picked it up off the road. Live & learn.
>
> Some motorcycle shops sell a brace to keep the shocks from compressing all the way, so you have a "hard stop" to pull down to. Or you can make one from wood.
>
> But I like the look of the Rowdy. Good luck,
>
> Chris Johnson
> 34' 94 Safari Kalahari
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13251 From: John Clevenger Date: 6/27/2011
Subject: Trip report 5000 mile trip out west - Koni's outstanding

Just got back from a 5000 mile trip to the west; Texas-Calif-Oregon-Wyoming-South Dakota back to Texas. Calif roads were the worst!

 

If you have not replaced your shocks in the last three years; I installed new Koni ‘s before the trip and I can say outstanding!!!!! If you have old shocks this is a very good upgrade!

 

5021 miles 496 gls about 10 mpg

Highest cost Calif $4.56 lowest  Texas $3.46 average about $4.01

Flying J trucks stops were great no problems but had lots with Pilot some pump starts did not work or RV discounts so I moved on to the next truck stops, I can only use truck lanes!

I also found that some Pilot are not real Pilot truck stops but a marketing front for some other group and do not support the RV cards!

 

No problems on this trip; so it was a very good trip but too short! JohnC

 

96 Safari Sahara 3740 250 Cat

2005 TJ/Honda

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

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Group: Safarifriends Message: 13553 From: randy.kenagy Date: 7/19/2011
Subject: Trip Report
Just back from a 20 night trip with the family. We started with a visit at the Gateway arch in St. Louis then on to the Homestead Act memorial in SE Nebraska before following the Oregon trail to Scotts Bluff. We turned north to stay in Custer, SD and visited Mt.Rrushmore, Custer S.P., and the badlands before continuing west to Cody (rodeo) and into Yellowstone. From there down through Tetons to Jackson, WY for July 4, then back north and west to Whitefish, MT for visits with family and Glacier N.P.

Home was a strait shot except for 6 hours at Mall of America for the girls to shop.

All in all fantastic experience. We drove more than 6,000 miles, sat still 5 days, and averaged a little less than 8 mpg running 65 mph on cruise. Fuel was cheapest in Whitefish ($3.69 Pilot) and most expensive in Indiana ($4.10 @Flying J). Time was more important for us than fuel economy this trip but I did shop for fuel a little and that helped. We had a lot of tail wind or no wind at all which I was thankful for.

I noted same high elevation symptoms as reported by others such as lower oil pressure reading on dash gauge but fine in the service center gauge. I had one episode of turn the key but no lights, and a couple other flakey things that disappeared when below the 7,500 foot elevation at fishing bridge in Yellowstone.

The PAC break is so awesome. I cannot imagine going over Teton pass or into yellowstone without it. The Cat purred like a kitten with her new belt and hoses plus recent service. The Allison shifted great every time after the synthetic flush and tune up. The new Koni shocks and new Michelin tires made the ride much better but the roads in Indiana and Minnesota proved to be the worst on out trip.

Wish I could have had a toad for this trip, especially in yellowstone but we survived. Long frustrating story there. Hope to have a toad someday.

Saw a few Safaris including a late 1990's Sahara that we followed for quite a while from Polson, MT down to the interstate last Sunday. It was from Washington state.
Never did pass them to wave but it was fun to caravan together anyway.

Well that's about it. I'm addicted.

RK

Frederick, MD
98 Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13824 From: Joe Gill Date: 8/2/2011
Subject: Re: 9R22.5
Hi Andy - No difference in the ride.  Course I also changed to the Koni shocks which made a big difference in handling and ride.  The rubbing was on the side of the inside left duel and was occurring when you get the hard unexpected bounces.  I would assume also if I took turns to the right to fast causing it to lean to the left. 
 
regards
 
Joe

From: Andy Haiduck <andrew.haiduck@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 8:44 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: 9R22.5

 
Joe - When you went back to the 255s, did you experience any change in the ride or did you need to inflate to a higher pressure? I was considering going from 255s to 275s. I assume your tire rubbing wasn't 100 per cent of the time - when did it occur? Was it hitting on the side or tread of the tire? If your coach is like mine, it's much heavier on the left rear.

Also, does anyone know if the frame/suspension would be the same on Joe's 96 to my 98 torsilastic suspension?

Andy Haiduck
98 Serengeti 4006

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Joe Gill <sjgilljr@...> wrote:
We have a 96 Safari Serengeti that had 275 70R 22.5 on it when I bought it used.  Had some serious tire rubbing with the inside left duel on the frame and finally replaced with 255 70R X 22.5 the recommended tire on the ID plate.  Problem eliminated.  We went with Toyo M120Z because Goodyear was way expensive.  The recommended Goodyear was the G670RV which was on my steer tires and only got 37,000 miles before a shop told me they needed to be replaced and I could readily see why.  Read a bunch of blogs that said what I experienced with the G670 was typical.  My brother, a trucker, told me to go Bridgestone, but pricing eliminated them too.  Les Shwab told me that the difference with the 9R and the 255 was that the 255 gives you more rubber on the road. Don;t know about the rim sizes.
Regards
Joe



Group: Safarifriends Message: 13926 From: KarenInTheWoods * Date: 8/8/2011
Subject: Re: Leveling with RVA system
We never raise the rig high enough to lift a tire off the ground.  (with all the tires on the ground, plus the jacks, it's pretty sturdy) 

We do drive a tire up on a plank or two if we are really unlevel at first entering the campsite, before even putting down the jacks.  

Also, we set our jacks down to rest onto square planks (steve made from criss crossing multiple layers of plied wood screwed together, plain planks crack over time)   

Because having a bigger footprint under the jacks is more stable, the coach never moves.   But if it's just on dirt instead of pavement, the jacks will sometimes *settle* and compress the dirt underneath and become wiggly again. 

Steve's square planks for the jacks each have a big eyelet screw in them along the edge....  and a rope attached.  Much easier to PUSH the plank into place using our awning rod and the eyelet, especially the front center one.   Then yank the short rope to pull them out and it saves the muddy knees and dirty hands when retrieving them.


Now... here is another thing:   when our shocks were going bad, we noticed more *rocking* in the rig even when our jacks were fully deployed.  The ride was worse too.  Once we changed the shocks, no more rocking.  So perhaps your shocks are in need of an examination? 


Karen and Steveio
1996 Safari Serengeti 38ft DP
Geo Tracker Toad 
just got back from a weekend up north in the U.P. of Michigan
here is the blog post:
 http://kareninthewoods-kareninthewoods.blogspot.com/
    
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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Gary <garysavage17347@...> wrote:
Has anybody determined what the best way is to level with the 3 point leveling system?  We always seem to get a lot of rocking when level and somebody walks.  It doesn't bother me but somebody else in the coach doesn't like it.  I prepare to level the coach most of the time it is nose down and low on one side or the other.  So I drop the rear jack that is the highest until it just barely moves the coach.  Then I raise the other rear side jack until the coach is level side to side.  After that I raise the front until level.  If I have to raise the front very far and sometimes get a tire off the ground I raise it a little more and put 2x10 blocks under the front tires so I can keep some weight on the tires.  Anybody have a better idea?
Gary 2001 Zanzibar


Group: Safarifriends Message: 14027 From: Big Bubba Safari Date: 8/18/2011
Subject: Re: Looking at 97 Sahara
OK: engine hp? dating on tires? service history? Art's questions answered...model number/body style, length (1st 2 numbers of model #)...leaf springs, torislastic, or air bag option?

How much input do you want? Most folks here will say "buy it", but you can get lots of good advice about checking out systems. Ex: I have the 7.5kw quiet diesel gene. I have seen some indication that the lpg models have more service problems, altitude issues, etc. So, tell us what you want from us, and you will get it!

I would say a prebuy inspection from a tech you trust and who is familiar with the original Safari models, at your expense, is a MUST. Best $3-400 you can spend, can save you many 1,000's. If the buyer won't make it available to your tech, or tells you it isn't necessary, Run, don't walk away. Same with an extended road test. Offer to pay for the fuel, but if you haven't driven dp's before, or if you have but are not familiar with Saharas, take a long drive and see how it handles. Steering wander? Porpoising on undulating roads? Your prebuy may pick up some of this, but check it out for yourself. Remember, it is a buyer's market.

Price is a biggie, as is maintenance history. You should be able to find a good one for under 30k. Anything over 35k is probably overpriced. Be careful of dealers showing fictitious blue book values. Low miles are not always your friend. They like to be used, not stored.


Lynn H, in Big Bubba, my 98 Sahara 3506 300 hp CAT, 113,493 miles (just broken in), BFG Torislatic suspension (no issue so far, but???) Garden tub/shower (I love it), no w/d (don't miss it) retrofit led running lights (love the look), extra pr of front shocks to minimize porpoising (works great), I think you get the idea.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@...> wrote:
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> What is the length?..., overall condition?......., price?.......
>  
> Art
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> --- On Thu, 8/18/11, hmbmjb <hmbmjb@...> wrote:
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> From: hmbmjb <hmbmjb@...>
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Looking at 97 Sahara
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, August 18, 2011, 9:08 PM
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>  
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> Looking at 97 Sahara with 94,000 miles. Any thoughts?
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 14028 From: Julie Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Looking at 97 Sahara
Retrofit running lights? Please tell me more...
Julie 

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 19, 2011, at 12:06 AM, "Big Bubba Safari" <bigbubbasafari@...> wrote:

 



OK: engine hp? dating on tires? service history? Art's questions answered...model number/body style, length (1st 2 numbers of model #)...leaf springs, torislastic, or air bag option?

How much input do you want? Most folks here will say "buy it", but you can get lots of good advice about checking out systems. Ex: I have the 7.5kw quiet diesel gene. I have seen some indication that the lpg models have more service problems, altitude issues, etc. So, tell us what you want from us, and you will get it!

I would say a prebuy inspection from a tech you trust and who is familiar with the original Safari models, at your expense, is a MUST. Best $3-400 you can spend, can save you many 1,000's. If the buyer won't make it available to your tech, or tells you it isn't necessary, Run, don't walk away. Same with an extended road test. Offer to pay for the fuel, but if you haven't driven dp's before, or if you have but are not familiar with Saharas, take a long drive and see how it handles. Steering wander? Porpoising on undulating roads? Your prebuy may pick up some of this, but check it out for yourself. Remember, it is a buyer's market.

Price is a biggie, as is maintenance history. You should be able to find a good one for under 30k. Anything over 35k is probably overpriced. Be careful of dealers showing fictitious blue book values. Low miles are not always your friend. They like to be used, not stored.

Lynn H, in Big Bubba, my 98 Sahara 3506 300 hp CAT, 113,493 miles (just broken in), BFG Torislatic suspension (no issue so far, but???) Garden tub/shower (I love it), no w/d (don't miss it) retrofit led running lights (love the look), extra pr of front shocks to minimize porpoising (works great), I think you get the idea.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@...> wrote:
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> What is the length?..., overall condition?......., price?.......
>  
> Art
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> --- On Thu, 8/18/11, hmbmjb <hmbmjb@...> wrote:
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> From: hmbmjb <hmbmjb@...>
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Looking at 97 Sahara
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, August 18, 2011, 9:08 PM
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>  
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> Looking at 97 Sahara with 94,000 miles. Any thoughts?
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 14035 From: safaritrekker Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Looking at 97 Sahara
I bought my 97, 3506 w/300 Cat, last year, for $40k. It had 84,000 miles on it. We love it. I had planned on spending (and did) about $5k on "upgrades", (new snow tires, new bilsteins, bigger front sway bar, sat tv) to personalize it for our driving/use needs. I did take it to a CAT dealer to have the oil/fluids cheched and changed and they found an exhaust leak, that I had to fix for an extra $600. There will always be surprises (hopefully small) when you buy used, but don't shy away from the miles, reasonable for a '97 are 50k to 100k. I traded in a 98 Safari Trek, and was comfortable with Safari and its some of their nuances such as poor headlight wiring, snakes/fogging in the windows, dim taillights. But...great quality, great use of wood for that "warm" feeling inside, super use of space, lots of storage, mostly "analog" so easier to fix. And...a great "user group" for support.

Curt 97 3506 CAT 300.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Big Bubba Safari" <bigbubbasafari@...> wrote:
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>
>
> OK: engine hp? dating on tires? service history? Art's questions answered...model number/body style, length (1st 2 numbers of model #)...leaf springs, torislastic, or air bag option?
>
> How much input do you want? Most folks here will say "buy it", but you can get lots of good advice about checking out systems. Ex: I have the 7.5kw quiet diesel gene. I have seen some indication that the lpg models have more service problems, altitude issues, etc. So, tell us what you want from us, and you will get it!
>
> I would say a prebuy inspection from a tech you trust and who is familiar with the original Safari models, at your expense, is a MUST. Best $3-400 you can spend, can save you many 1,000's. If the buyer won't make it available to your tech, or tells you it isn't necessary, Run, don't walk away. Same with an extended road test. Offer to pay for the fuel, but if you haven't driven dp's before, or if you have but are not familiar with Saharas, take a long drive and see how it handles. Steering wander? Porpoising on undulating roads? Your prebuy may pick up some of this, but check it out for yourself. Remember, it is a buyer's market.
>
> Price is a biggie, as is maintenance history. You should be able to find a good one for under 30k. Anything over 35k is probably overpriced. Be careful of dealers showing fictitious blue book values. Low miles are not always your friend. They like to be used, not stored.
>
>
> Lynn H, in Big Bubba, my 98 Sahara 3506 300 hp CAT, 113,493 miles (just broken in), BFG Torislatic suspension (no issue so far, but???) Garden tub/shower (I love it), no w/d (don't miss it) retrofit led running lights (love the look), extra pr of front shocks to minimize porpoising (works great), I think you get the idea.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
> >
> > What is the length?..., overall condition?......., price?.......
> >  
> > Art
> >
> > --- On Thu, 8/18/11, hmbmjb <hmbmjb@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: hmbmjb <hmbmjb@>
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Looking at 97 Sahara
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, August 18, 2011, 9:08 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking at 97 Sahara with 94,000 miles. Any thoughts?
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14150 From: goodtimesbus Date: 8/29/2011
Subject: Re: Looking at 97 Sahara
I wouldn't hesitate over the mileage - 100K is nothing for a diesel but check everything! Or expect lots of little surprises. We just bought one and the spray for the toilet doesn't work, the toilet bowl seal leaks, control for the splendide is a little whonkie etc... Now if the price is right you can fix a lot of little problems but it's nice to know before you buy. I second Bigbubba's suggestion that you get an inspection but that will probably cover big systems not the little things. Hope you find a good one, Margaret

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "safaritrekker" <cjhammond@...> wrote:
>
> I bought my 97, 3506 w/300 Cat, last year, for $40k. It had 84,000 miles on it. We love it. I had planned on spending (and did) about $5k on "upgrades", (new snow tires, new bilsteins, bigger front sway bar, sat tv) to personalize it for our driving/use needs. I did take it to a CAT dealer to have the oil/fluids cheched and changed and they found an exhaust leak, that I had to fix for an extra $600. There will always be surprises (hopefully small) when you buy used, but don't shy away from the miles, reasonable for a '97 are 50k to 100k. I traded in a 98 Safari Trek, and was comfortable with Safari and its some of their nuances such as poor headlight wiring, snakes/fogging in the windows, dim taillights. But...great quality, great use of wood for that "warm" feeling inside, super use of space, lots of storage, mostly "analog" so easier to fix. And...a great "user group" for support.
>
> Curt 97 3506 CAT 300.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Big Bubba Safari" <bigbubbasafari@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > OK: engine hp? dating on tires? service history? Art's questions answered...model number/body style, length (1st 2 numbers of model #)...leaf springs, torislastic, or air bag option?
> >
> > How much input do you want? Most folks here will say "buy it", but you can get lots of good advice about checking out systems. Ex: I have the 7.5kw quiet diesel gene. I have seen some indication that the lpg models have more service problems, altitude issues, etc. So, tell us what you want from us, and you will get it!
> >
> > I would say a prebuy inspection from a tech you trust and who is familiar with the original Safari models, at your expense, is a MUST. Best $3-400 you can spend, can save you many 1,000's. If the buyer won't make it available to your tech, or tells you it isn't necessary, Run, don't walk away. Same with an extended road test. Offer to pay for the fuel, but if you haven't driven dp's before, or if you have but are not familiar with Saharas, take a long drive and see how it handles. Steering wander? Porpoising on undulating roads? Your prebuy may pick up some of this, but check it out for yourself. Remember, it is a buyer's market.
> >
> > Price is a biggie, as is maintenance history. You should be able to find a good one for under 30k. Anything over 35k is probably overpriced. Be careful of dealers showing fictitious blue book values. Low miles are not always your friend. They like to be used, not stored.
> >
> >
> > Lynn H, in Big Bubba, my 98 Sahara 3506 300 hp CAT, 113,493 miles (just broken in), BFG Torislatic suspension (no issue so far, but???) Garden tub/shower (I love it), no w/d (don't miss it) retrofit led running lights (love the look), extra pr of front shocks to minimize porpoising (works great), I think you get the idea.
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What is the length?..., overall condition?......., price?.......
> > >  
> > > Art
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 8/18/11, hmbmjb <hmbmjb@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hmbmjb <hmbmjb@>
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Looking at 97 Sahara
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, August 18, 2011, 9:08 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Looking at 97 Sahara with 94,000 miles. Any thoughts?
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14279 From: KarenInTheWoods * Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Wow.... could it be your shocks?   We noticed our ride was getting very rough only when we hit bumps, but the velvetride was smooth on regular surfaces.   Sooo we changed out the shocks and found two of the old were totally shot.   No wonder! 

We bought Bilsteins



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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mandolin_blue <breadbaker@...> wrote:
I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari Zanzibar with "velvet ride".

Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system. When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it would take.

We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it, especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.

What is my next best option?



------------------------------------
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14280 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@...> wrote:
>
> I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
>
> Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system. When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it would take.
>
> We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it, especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
>
> What is my next best option?
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14281 From: dddugger9@q.com Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
I have velvet ride, it is a good ride, but very heavy. Check out the weight you will be adding to your coach! I would check out your shocks, they could be getting weak?


From: "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 6:30:53 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Quality of ride

 

I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari Zanzibar with "velvet ride".

Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system. When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it would take.

We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it, especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.

What is my next best option?

Group: Safarifriends Message: 14282 From: John Clevenger Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride

I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very big improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2005 TJ/Honda

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride

 

 

When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@...> wrote:
>
> I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
>
> Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system. When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it would take.
>
> We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it, especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
>
> What is my next best option?
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 14283 From: Carl S Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
John....What tire did you upgrade to....I have 11-22.5s Goodyear that I suspect are gettin' old....G25's....The shocks are original and I think I read the Konis were the way to go....1997-3040 300Cat Thanks Carl
--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@...> wrote:
>
> I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very big
> improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
>
>
>
> 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
>
> 2005 TJ/Honda
>
> (O) I I I I I I I (O)
>
>
>
> From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
>
>
>
>
>
> When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari
> Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> >
> > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do
> install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> would take.
> >
> > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> >
> > What is my next best option?
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14284 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
JohnC,

What brand and size of tires did you get, and what air pressure are you running in them? And if yah don't mind, how much mounted and out the door?



--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@...> wrote:
>
> I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very big
> improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
>
>
>
> 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
>
> 2005 TJ/Honda
>
> (O) I I I I I I I (O)
>
>
>
> From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
>
>
>
>
>
> When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari
> Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> >
> > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do
> install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> would take.
> >
> > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> >
> > What is my next best option?
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14285 From: Al Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Karen-Quality of ride
Karen, did Steve change the shocks himself? I'm guessing they are no harder (maybe easier) than replacing shocks on a truck.

Thanks, Al

1992 Safari Ivory
36' Cummins 8.3



On 9/9/2011 5:42 AM, KarenInTheWoods * wrote:
 

Wow.... could it be your shocks?   We noticed our ride was getting very rough only when we hit bumps, but the velvetride was smooth on regular surfaces.   Sooo we changed out the shocks and found two of the old were totally shot.   No wonder! 


We bought Bilsteins



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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mandolin_blue <breadbaker@...> wrote:
I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari Zanzibar with "velvet ride".

Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system. When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it would take.

We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it, especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.

What is my next best option?



------------------------------------
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14287 From: KarenInTheWoods * Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Karen-Quality of ride
Yup.. he did.... first he soaked the nuts with penetrating fluid....  

2 came off easy.... 2 came off hard  (Murphy's Law ya know)

First we did the front shocks, then we did the rears too,   the front passenger shock  and the rear drivers shocks were the bad ones....  

They were the adjustable Koni's but they had no adjusting left in them.. and you could pull them out and in easily....



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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Al <al0@...> wrote:


Karen, did Steve change the shocks himself? I'm guessing they are no harder (maybe easier) than replacing shocks on a truck.

Thanks, Al

1992 Safari Ivory
36' Cummins 8.3



On 9/9/2011 5:42 AM, KarenInTheWoods * wrote:
 

Wow.... could it be your shocks?   We noticed our ride was getting very rough only when we hit bumps, but the velvetride was smooth on regular surfaces.   Sooo we changed out the shocks and found two of the old were totally shot.   No wonder! 


We bought Bilsteins



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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:30 AM, mandolin_blue <breadbaker@...> wrote:
I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari Zanzibar with "velvet ride".

Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system. When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it would take.

We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it, especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.

What is my next best option?



------------------------------------



Group: Safarifriends Message: 14288 From: John Clevenger Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride

I had 9r22.5 and went to 10r22.5 had BS and liked them but the price for Toyo’s was too much to past on! $1,750 out the door for all 6 with balancing and new stems too! In Boyd Texas, a small truck tire store and had some in stock that wanted to move! Was running 110 on all four, now 95 up front and 90 in the rears. Weight in front is 9,535 and 13,585 in the rear. The main thing is to get them on a scale. I live in Azle, Texas 5 miles south of Boyd. Like the ride very much 15,000 miles in them! JohnC

 

Koni from Koni $169 each!

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2005 TJ/Honda

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:48 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride

 

 

JohnC,

What brand and size of tires did you get, and what air pressure are you running in them? And if yah don't mind, how much mounted and out the door?

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@...> wrote:
>
> I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very big
> improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
>
>
>
> 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
>
> 2005 TJ/Honda
>
> (O) I I I I I I I (O)
>
>
>
> From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
>
>
>
>
>
> When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari
> Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> >
> > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do
> install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> would take.
> >
> > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> >
> > What is my next best option?
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 14290 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
I went with 265/75 Toyos. They are narrower (10" vs 10.7) than the 10R22.5s, and turn almost exaxtly the same Revs per mile as the 9R22.5 originals (540). The 10R22.5s turn 519 revs per mile and will show a bigger speedometer error. Being wider reduces the dual wheel spacing by .7" which reduces cooling between the tires.

Ken
1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@...> wrote:
>
> I had 9r22.5 and went to 10r22.5 had BS and liked them but the price for
> Toyo's was too much to past on! $1,750 out the door for all 6 with balancing
> and new stems too! In Boyd Texas, a small truck tire store and had some in
> stock that wanted to move! Was running 110 on all four, now 95 up front and
> 90 in the rears. Weight in front is 9,535 and 13,585 in the rear. The main
> thing is to get them on a scale. I live in Azle, Texas 5 miles south of
> Boyd. Like the ride very much 15,000 miles in them! JohnC
>
>
>
> Koni from Koni $169 each!
>
>
>
> 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
>
> 2005 TJ/Honda
>
> (O) I I I I I I I (O)
>
>
>
> From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:48 PM
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
>
>
>
>
>
> JohnC,
>
> What brand and size of tires did you get, and what air pressure are you
> running in them? And if yah don't mind, how much mounted and out the door?
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "John Clevenger"
> <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> >
> > I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very
> big
> > improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
> >
> >
> >
> > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> >
> > 2005 TJ/Honda
> >
> > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> > improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> > Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> > which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> > of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> > Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002
> Safari
> > Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> > >
> > > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> > Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> > When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to
> do
> > install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> > would take.
> > >
> > > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> > especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> > badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> > >
> > > What is my next best option?
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14291 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/9/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
Ken,

Just what "Model" number of the Toyo's did you go with??? The M-154, M-140, M120z, etc.



--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@...> wrote:
>
> I went with 265/75 Toyos. They are narrower (10" vs 10.7) than the 10R22.5s, and turn almost exaxtly the same Revs per mile as the 9R22.5 originals (540). The 10R22.5s turn 519 revs per mile and will show a bigger speedometer error. Being wider reduces the dual wheel spacing by .7" which reduces cooling between the tires.
>
> Ken
> 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> >
> > I had 9r22.5 and went to 10r22.5 had BS and liked them but the price for
> > Toyo's was too much to past on! $1,750 out the door for all 6 with balancing
> > and new stems too! In Boyd Texas, a small truck tire store and had some in
> > stock that wanted to move! Was running 110 on all four, now 95 up front and
> > 90 in the rears. Weight in front is 9,535 and 13,585 in the rear. The main
> > thing is to get them on a scale. I live in Azle, Texas 5 miles south of
> > Boyd. Like the ride very much 15,000 miles in them! JohnC
> >
> >
> >
> > Koni from Koni $169 each!
> >
> >
> >
> > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> >
> > 2005 TJ/Honda
> >
> > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:48 PM
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > JohnC,
> >
> > What brand and size of tires did you get, and what air pressure are you
> > running in them? And if yah don't mind, how much mounted and out the door?
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "John Clevenger"
> > <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very
> > big
> > > improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> > >
> > > 2005 TJ/Honda
> > >
> > > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> > > improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> > > Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> > > which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> > > of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> > > Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002
> > Safari
> > > Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> > > >
> > > > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> > > Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> > > When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to
> > do
> > > install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> > > would take.
> > > >
> > > > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> > > especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> > > badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> > > >
> > > > What is my next best option?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14295 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
On my '96 Sahara with springs, I have Toyo 9R22'5 M120z. I run 90-95 psi front and 100-105psi in the back. That gives me plenty of carrying capacity/tire wise.

My shocks all around are Blistein's.

For the cost of $1,600-1,700 out the door for 6 x M120z's I would be hard pressed to spend more. To spend more for larger, wider tires, I just do not see the benefit vs cost increase.

For a spring chassis I am satisfied with my ride.

Jim
'96 Sahara

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade@...> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> Just what "Model" number of the Toyo's did you go with??? The M-154, M-140, M120z, etc.
>
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@> wrote:
> >
> > I went with 265/75 Toyos. They are narrower (10" vs 10.7) than the 10R22.5s, and turn almost exaxtly the same Revs per mile as the 9R22.5 originals (540). The 10R22.5s turn 519 revs per mile and will show a bigger speedometer error. Being wider reduces the dual wheel spacing by .7" which reduces cooling between the tires.
> >
> > Ken
> > 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
> >
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had 9r22.5 and went to 10r22.5 had BS and liked them but the price for
> > > Toyo's was too much to past on! $1,750 out the door for all 6 with balancing
> > > and new stems too! In Boyd Texas, a small truck tire store and had some in
> > > stock that wanted to move! Was running 110 on all four, now 95 up front and
> > > 90 in the rears. Weight in front is 9,535 and 13,585 in the rear. The main
> > > thing is to get them on a scale. I live in Azle, Texas 5 miles south of
> > > Boyd. Like the ride very much 15,000 miles in them! JohnC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Koni from Koni $169 each!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> > >
> > > 2005 TJ/Honda
> > >
> > > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:48 PM
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > JohnC,
> > >
> > > What brand and size of tires did you get, and what air pressure are you
> > > running in them? And if yah don't mind, how much mounted and out the door?
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "John Clevenger"
> > > <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very
> > > big
> > > > improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> > > >
> > > > 2005 TJ/Honda
> > > >
> > > > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> > > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> > > > improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> > > > Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> > > > which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> > > > of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> > > > Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002
> > > Safari
> > > > Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> > > > >
> > > > > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> > > > Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> > > > When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to
> > > do
> > > > install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> > > > would take.
> > > > >
> > > > > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> > > > especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> > > > badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is my next best option?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14296 From: rpalominod90@yahoo.com Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
I have a spring chassis and think it rides great as well. I have yet to upgrade the shocks but it's on my list for the winter.
Does anyone know if the Koni shocks are the same for the velvet ride and the spring RV.

Thanks
Rico

Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless


-----Original message-----
From: jimlyndabrooks <jimlyndabrooks@...>
To:
Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Sat, Sep 10, 2011 11:38:58 GMT+00:00
Subject:
[Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride

 

On my '96 Sahara with springs, I have Toyo 9R22'5 M120z. I run 90-95 psi front and 100-105psi in the back. That gives me plenty of carrying capacity/tire wise.

My shocks all around are Blistein's.

For the cost of $1,600-1,700 out the door for 6 x M120z's I would be hard pressed to spend more. To spend more for larger, wider tires, I just do not see the benefit vs cost increase.

For a spring chassis I am satisfied with my ride.

Jim
'96 Sahara

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade@...> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> Just what "Model" number of the Toyo's did you go with??? The M-154, M-140, M120z, etc.
>
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@> wrote:
> >
> > I went with 265/75 Toyos. They are narrower (10" vs 10.7) than the 10R22.5s, and turn almost exaxtly the same Revs per mile as the 9R22.5 originals (540). The 10R22.5s turn 519 revs per mile and will show a bigger speedometer error. Being wider reduces the dual wheel spacing by .7" which reduces cooling between the tires.
> >
> > Ken
> > 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
> >
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had 9r22.5 and went to 10r22.5 had BS and liked them but the price for
> > > Toyo's was too much to past on! $1,750 out the door for all 6 with balancing
> > > and new stems too! In Boyd Texas, a small truck tire store and had some in
> > > stock that wanted to move! Was running 110 on all four, now 95 up front and
> > > 90 in the rears. Weight in front is 9,535 and 13,585 in the rear. The main
> > > thing is to get them on a scale. I live in Azle, Texas 5 miles south of
> > > Boyd. Like the ride very much 15,000 miles in them! JohnC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Koni from Koni $169 each!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> > >
> > > 2005 TJ/Honda
> > >
> > > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:48 PM
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > JohnC,
> > >
> > > What brand and size of tires did you get, and what air pressure are you
> > > running in them? And if yah don't mind, how much mounted and out the door?
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "John Clevenger"
> > > <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very
> > > big
> > > > improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> > > >
> > > > 2005 TJ/Honda
> > > >
> > > > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> > > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> > > > improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> > > > Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> > > > which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> > > > of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> > > > Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002
> > > Safari
> > > > Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> > > > >
> > > > > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> > > > Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> > > > When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to
> > > do
> > > > install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> > > > would take.
> > > > >
> > > > > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> > > > especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> > > > badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is my next best option?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 14297 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
I bought the M-154 tires.

Here's a link to the spread sheet I worked out to compare tires.

http://home.roadrunner.com/~kwildman/Tires.xls

and there is a note I posted in the Files section titled Tire Selection that explains the factors that I thought were important in picking the best substitute tires for the OEMs.

Ken

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade@...> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> Just what "Model" number of the Toyo's did you go with??? The M-154, M-140, M120z, etc.
>
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@> wrote:
> >
> > I went with 265/75 Toyos. They are narrower (10" vs 10.7) than the 10R22.5s, and turn almost exaxtly the same Revs per mile as the 9R22.5 originals (540). The 10R22.5s turn 519 revs per mile and will show a bigger speedometer error. Being wider reduces the dual wheel spacing by .7" which reduces cooling between the tires.
> >
> > Ken
> > 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
> >
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had 9r22.5 and went to 10r22.5 had BS and liked them but the price for
> > > Toyo's was too much to past on! $1,750 out the door for all 6 with balancing
> > > and new stems too! In Boyd Texas, a small truck tire store and had some in
> > > stock that wanted to move! Was running 110 on all four, now 95 up front and
> > > 90 in the rears. Weight in front is 9,535 and 13,585 in the rear. The main
> > > thing is to get them on a scale. I live in Azle, Texas 5 miles south of
> > > Boyd. Like the ride very much 15,000 miles in them! JohnC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Koni from Koni $169 each!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> > >
> > > 2005 TJ/Honda
> > >
> > > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 2:48 PM
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > JohnC,
> > >
> > > What brand and size of tires did you get, and what air pressure are you
> > > running in them? And if yah don't mind, how much mounted and out the door?
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "John Clevenger"
> > > <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very
> > > big
> > > > improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> > > >
> > > > 2005 TJ/Honda
> > > >
> > > > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > > > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> > > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> > > > improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> > > > Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> > > > which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> > > > of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> > > > Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002
> > > Safari
> > > > Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> > > > >
> > > > > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> > > > Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> > > > When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to
> > > do
> > > > install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> > > > would take.
> > > > >
> > > > > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> > > > especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> > > > badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is my next best option?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14299 From: Jake Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
I am also the owner of a 2002 Safari Zanzibar. We bought our coach almost 3 years ago and we were also disappointed with the ride quality to the point where we thought if nothing can be done, let's sell it because we just don't enjoy the harsh ride. The first thing we did (out of necessity) was to replace the 7 year old Toyo tires with the Michelin RV tires (not the truck tires). We immediately noticed an improvement with the ride not being as harsh. Upon the recommendations of Mr. Ralph Andrews, we also replaced all the shocks with Koni shocks and adjusted the coach height on all four corners. Driving home from the repair shop, we couldn't believe how much better the ride was again. I've done a lot of reading since on the simplicity of the velvet ride system and with everything well adjusted wouldn't trade it for an airbag system. The ride also improves when the fresh water tanks are at least ½ full, the same with the fuel and propane tanks. I keep 110 psi at the rear and 100 psi at the front.

Jake
2002 Safari ZAnzibar


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@...> wrote:
>
> I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
>
> Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system. When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it would take.
>
> We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it, especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
>
> What is my next best option?
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14302 From: NTRussell Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
I will jump in on the Koni bandwagon. Installed the Koni FSD's on the front of our '95 3530 with leaf spring suspension four weeks ago. The Bilstiens we had were the originals with 40k miles on them. What a difference the Koni's have made. After 300 miles or so the expansion joints are just a minor thump now instead of a sharp jolt that rattled the shelves. These were worth ever penny, one of those things we wish we would have done as sooner.

BTW I run the Toyo M120z 9R 22.5 @ 90 front and 95 rear

Troy R
Concord, Ca
95 Sahara 3530
03 Sport Trac toad



--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@...> wrote:
>
> I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very big
> improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
>
>
>
> 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
>
> 2005 TJ/Honda
>
> (O) I I I I I I I (O)
>
>
>
> From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
>
>
>
>
>
> When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari
> Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> >
> > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do
> install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> would take.
> >
> > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> >
> > What is my next best option?
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14311 From: parrishwa Date: 9/10/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride
I can tell you that I spoke with Ralph Andrews and followed his advice after being very disappointed in the ride on our 99 Sahara we purchased used a year ago.
Best move I have made since I bought the coach. I had the ride height adjusted follwing Ralph's guidelines, and the Koni shocks he recommended installed, by a local big truck tire and alignment shop for just three hours labor.
The difference is amazing.
Thanks to Ralph
parrishw@...

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "NTRussell" <ntrussell@...> wrote:
>
> I will jump in on the Koni bandwagon. Installed the Koni FSD's on the front of our '95 3530 with leaf spring suspension four weeks ago. The Bilstiens we had were the originals with 40k miles on them. What a difference the Koni's have made. After 300 miles or so the expansion joints are just a minor thump now instead of a sharp jolt that rattled the shelves. These were worth ever penny, one of those things we wish we would have done as sooner.
>
> BTW I run the Toyo M120z 9R 22.5 @ 90 front and 95 rear
>
> Troy R
> Concord, Ca
> 95 Sahara 3530
> 03 Sport Trac toad
>
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> >
> > I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very big
> > improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
> >
> >
> >
> > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> >
> > 2005 TJ/Honda
> >
> > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> > improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> > Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> > which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> > of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> > Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari
> > Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> > >
> > > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> > Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> > When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do
> > install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> > would take.
> > >
> > > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> > especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> > badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> > >
> > > What is my next best option?
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14317 From: slim_chestnut Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride/ Shocks
I have a pair of nearly new Bilsteins for the front of a Velvet ride, $65 for the pair. They only have 1,400 miles on them. I also have a good set of rear bilsteins for VR but they have a few thousand miles of use. $35 for the pair. All 4 shocks meet Bilstiein spec and came with lifetime guanarantee. Drop me an email.

This would be a cheap way to discover if you have a shock problem!

Slim
--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "NTRussell" <ntrussell@...> wrote:
>
> I will jump in on the Koni bandwagon. Installed the Koni FSD's on the front of our '95 3530 with leaf spring suspension four weeks ago. The Bilstiens we had were the originals with 40k miles on them. What a difference the Koni's have made. After 300 miles or so the expansion joints are just a minor thump now instead of a sharp jolt that rattled the shelves. These were worth ever penny, one of those things we wish we would have done as sooner.
>
> BTW I run the Toyo M120z 9R 22.5 @ 90 front and 95 rear
>
> Troy R
> Concord, Ca
> 95 Sahara 3530
> 03 Sport Trac toad
>
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> >
> > I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very big
> > improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
> >
> >
> >
> > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> >
> > 2005 TJ/Honda
> >
> > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> > improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> > Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> > which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> > of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> > Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari
> > Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> > >
> > > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> > Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> > When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do
> > install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> > would take.
> > >
> > > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> > especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> > badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> > >
> > > What is my next best option?
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14318 From: Gary Smith Date: 9/11/2011
Subject: Re: Quality of ride/ Shocks
Not trying to throw water on Slim's offer (it is very attractively priced, and Bilstein's are great shocks), but the lifetime warranty only applies to the original purchaser of the shocks, so don't buy them because of any expected warranty, there will be none.

Here's what their website says about the warranty:

GENERAL AFTERMARKET WARRANTY DETAILS

ThyssenKrupp Bilstein of America warrants its gas pressure shock absorbers against defects in workmanship and materials for as long as you, the original purchaser, own your car.

If a shock/strut malfunctions and Bilstein determines it to be defective, we will either replace it or repair it depending on the term of the warranty based on the assembly's model type.

Note: If your vehicle was equipped with Bilstein from the factory (original equipment), warranty claims must be directed to the vehicle manufacturer.

Gary

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "slim_chestnut" <togocotton@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have a pair of nearly new Bilsteins for the front of a Velvet ride, $65 for the pair. They only have 1,400 miles on them. I also have a good set of rear bilsteins for VR but they have a few thousand miles of use. $35 for the pair. All 4 shocks meet Bilstiein spec and came with lifetime guanarantee. Drop me an email.
>
> This would be a cheap way to discover if you have a shock problem!
>
> Slim
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "NTRussell" <ntrussell@> wrote:
> >
> > I will jump in on the Koni bandwagon. Installed the Koni FSD's on the front of our '95 3530 with leaf spring suspension four weeks ago. The Bilstiens we had were the originals with 40k miles on them. What a difference the Koni's have made. After 300 miles or so the expansion joints are just a minor thump now instead of a sharp jolt that rattled the shelves. These were worth ever penny, one of those things we wish we would have done as sooner.
> >
> > BTW I run the Toyo M120z 9R 22.5 @ 90 front and 95 rear
> >
> > Troy R
> > Concord, Ca
> > 95 Sahara 3530
> > 03 Sport Trac toad
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can second that; I upgraded my tires with new Koni and it made a very big
> > > improvement in the ride, lower tire pressure too! JohnC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
> > >
> > > 2005 TJ/Honda
> > >
> > > (O) I I I I I I I (O)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of jquade_fwb
> > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:18 AM
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Quality of ride
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I went with the new Koni Shocks I was very please with the ride
> > > improvement, it was truely amazing. The Tech Expert at the "Other Safari
> > > Website", Ralph Andrews kind of put me onto another possible improvement
> > > which I'll be trying in a couple of months, and that is go to a Larger Set
> > > of Tires which enables you to run lesser air pressure. By the way, it was
> > > Ralph that put me onto the new Konis.
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com> , "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have been looking at ways to improve ride and handling on my 2002 Safari
> > > Zanzibar with "velvet ride".
> > > >
> > > > Based on other posts in the group I looked at air bags, but traveling to
> > > Oregon would cost me $1,800 in fuel on top of the $4,500 for the system.
> > > When I spoke to their tech support they strongly suggested that trying to do
> > > install myself might be a problem due to complexity and the 14 hours it
> > > would take.
> > > >
> > > > We just returned from a 3,000 mile trip to the Maritimes (loved it,
> > > especially PEI) but we hit some bridge approaches that shook the rig so
> > > badly all the clothes on the rear closet ended up on the floor.
> > > >
> > > > What is my next best option?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14555 From: mandolin_blue Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride sus
After reading all the posts it appears that Koni shocks are my best option but I am confused as to what models to use. When I cross reference from my Bilsteins on the Koni site they give me

Front 8805-1012 and rear 8801458sp2.

I am confused, should I use the shocks listed in the cross reference or the recommendations from Pioneer (second posting) from Slim

In a 2009 posting on this subject the following dialogue took place.

Prior postings....

RE: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?

I'm glad I saw this because I was planning on ordering shocks from the Koni website ($149 each) where they recommend for the Magnum velvet ride suspension: Front: 88-1490SP2 and Rear: 88-1458SP2. Now I'm confused as to which ones to order?

I'm also trying to improve the harsh ride. I changed the Toyo tires (date code 2001) with Michelin and this has softened and improved handling considerably. I've adjusted the ride height (removed 2 shims per stack, front only) to 43" all around and now I was replacing the tired Bilsteins with new Konis.

Are those part numbers from Koni or Ralph Andrews?

Thanks,
Jake





To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
CC: brilcristiel@...
From: togocotton@...
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:29 -0600
Subject: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?


Just got off the phone with Koni and with Ralph Andrews, VP of Safari International and owner of Pioneer Metal works. He is the guy who bought all the old Torsilastic/Velvet ride suspension parts up. A very nice contact. Thanks Gary!

The dual shock mod is no longer needed or desired. After extensive testing in cooperation with Koni the recommended adjustable shock PNs for the torsilastic rigs for years between 1993 and 2003 are:

Front 88-1641SP3 price around $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
Rear 88-1458SP1 $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair

These shocks should give even better results than the dual shock mod from Pioneer Metal Works. Ralph says these shocks also work far better than anything from Bilstein. I hope so!
KONI is closed for inventory but will be back open for business around Thursday.

My rig already has nice steering stability mods that look like they are factory or shortly thereafter but this should help that too. I just want a softer attack and a slower release which is what this provides. The recommended settings for torsilastic rigs are:

Front: run shock all the way and then back 1/2-3/4 turn
Rear: run all the way and then back 1/2 turn.

These should bolt right on to any 93-2003 Torsilastic Safari. I emphasize tht your ride height must be correct and even all round, fully loaded before installing.

FYI, I found the best price of $144 ea. at LTB MotorSports in FL with free shipping.

Slim
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14557 From: Joe Gill Date: 9/22/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
I would suggest that  you call Koni and talk to their tech guy.  I did gave him the info on my coach 96 Safari Serengeti magnum velvet ride and he told me which ones to order.  Got them and they were a perfect match and I could not be happier with the ride improvement and handling.
 
Regards
 
Joe

From: mandolin_blue <breadbaker@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride suspensin

 
After reading all the posts it appears that Koni shocks are my best option but I am confused as to what models to use. When I cross reference from my Bilsteins on the Koni site they give me

Front 8805-1012 and rear 8801458sp2.

I am confused, should I use the shocks listed in the cross reference or the recommendations from Pioneer (second posting) from Slim

In a 2009 posting on this subject the following dialogue took place.

Prior postings....

RE: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?

I'm glad I saw this because I was planning on ordering shocks from the Koni website ($149 each) where they recommend for the Magnum velvet ride suspension: Front: 88-1490SP2 and Rear: 88-1458SP2. Now I'm confused as to which ones to order?

I'm also trying to improve the harsh ride. I changed the Toyo tires (date code 2001) with Michelin and this has softened and improved handling considerably. I've adjusted the ride height (removed 2 shims per stack, front only) to 43" all around and now I was replacing the tired Bilsteins with new Konis.

Are those part numbers from Koni or Ralph Andrews?

Thanks,
Jake

To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
CC: brilcristiel@...
From: togocotton@...
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:29 -0600
Subject: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?

Just got off the phone with Koni and with Ralph Andrews, VP of Safari International and owner of Pioneer Metal works. He is the guy who bought all the old Torsilastic/Velvet ride suspension parts up. A very nice contact. Thanks Gary!

The dual shock mod is no longer needed or desired. After extensive testing in cooperation with Koni the recommended adjustable shock PNs for the torsilastic rigs for years between 1993 and 2003 are:

Front 88-1641SP3 price around $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
Rear 88-1458SP1 $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair

These shocks should give even better results than the dual shock mod from Pioneer Metal Works. Ralph says these shocks also work far better than anything from Bilstein. I hope so!
KONI is closed for inventory but will be back open for business around Thursday.

My rig already has nice steering stability mods that look like they are factory or shortly thereafter but this should help that too. I just want a softer attack and a slower release which is what this provides. The recommended settings for torsilastic rigs are:

Front: run shock all the way and then back 1/2-3/4 turn
Rear: run all the way and then back 1/2 turn.

These should bolt right on to any 93-2003 Torsilastic Safari. I emphasize tht your ride height must be correct and even all round, fully loaded before installing.

FYI, I found the best price of $144 ea. at LTB MotorSports in FL with free shipping.

Slim



Group: Safarifriends Message: 14569 From: CarlE Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
I installed Koni shocks on my 97 Seregeti, and went with Pioneer Metal Works, Ralph Andrews recommendations. I am very pleased with the shocks I installed and would recomend going with Ralph's guidance because of his experience with Safari coaches and chassis.
CarlGeo

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@...> wrote:
>
> After reading all the posts it appears that Koni shocks are my best option but I am confused as to what models to use. When I cross reference from my Bilsteins on the Koni site they give me
>
> Front 8805-1012 and rear 8801458sp2.
>
> I am confused, should I use the shocks listed in the cross reference or the recommendations from Pioneer (second posting) from Slim
>
> In a 2009 posting on this subject the following dialogue took place.
>
> Prior postings....
>
> RE: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
>
> I'm glad I saw this because I was planning on ordering shocks from the Koni website ($149 each) where they recommend for the Magnum velvet ride suspension: Front: 88-1490SP2 and Rear: 88-1458SP2. Now I'm confused as to which ones to order?
>
> I'm also trying to improve the harsh ride. I changed the Toyo tires (date code 2001) with Michelin and this has softened and improved handling considerably. I've adjusted the ride height (removed 2 shims per stack, front only) to 43" all around and now I was replacing the tired Bilsteins with new Konis.
>
> Are those part numbers from Koni or Ralph Andrews?
>
> Thanks,
> Jake
>
>
>
>
>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> CC: brilcristiel@
> From: togocotton@
> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:29 -0600
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
>
>
> Just got off the phone with Koni and with Ralph Andrews, VP of Safari International and owner of Pioneer Metal works. He is the guy who bought all the old Torsilastic/Velvet ride suspension parts up. A very nice contact. Thanks Gary!
>
> The dual shock mod is no longer needed or desired. After extensive testing in cooperation with Koni the recommended adjustable shock PNs for the torsilastic rigs for years between 1993 and 2003 are:
>
> Front 88-1641SP3 price around $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
> Rear 88-1458SP1 $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
>
> These shocks should give even better results than the dual shock mod from Pioneer Metal Works. Ralph says these shocks also work far better than anything from Bilstein. I hope so!
> KONI is closed for inventory but will be back open for business around Thursday.
>
> My rig already has nice steering stability mods that look like they are factory or shortly thereafter but this should help that too. I just want a softer attack and a slower release which is what this provides. The recommended settings for torsilastic rigs are:
>
> Front: run shock all the way and then back 1/2-3/4 turn
> Rear: run all the way and then back 1/2 turn.
>
> These should bolt right on to any 93-2003 Torsilastic Safari. I emphasize tht your ride height must be correct and even all round, fully loaded before installing.
>
> FYI, I found the best price of $144 ea. at LTB MotorSports in FL with free shipping.
>
> Slim
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14570 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Email Ralph directly at RAinSafari@... He is very helpful and really really knows his suspension stuff. His better half likes to kid him about the 30 plus different set of shocks he has played with on his coach. I don't know where you are located at, but Ralph "Steered" me towards Brazell's north of Centralia, Wa., and they are the ones that replaced my shocks with Konis. And they are experienced with coach leveling and have the correct Safari suspension parts to do the job.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "CarlE" <carl31538@...> wrote:
>
> I installed Koni shocks on my 97 Seregeti, and went with Pioneer Metal Works, Ralph Andrews recommendations. I am very pleased with the shocks I installed and would recomend going with Ralph's guidance because of his experience with Safari coaches and chassis.
> CarlGeo
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@> wrote:
> >
> > After reading all the posts it appears that Koni shocks are my best option but I am confused as to what models to use. When I cross reference from my Bilsteins on the Koni site they give me
> >
> > Front 8805-1012 and rear 8801458sp2.
> >
> > I am confused, should I use the shocks listed in the cross reference or the recommendations from Pioneer (second posting) from Slim
> >
> > In a 2009 posting on this subject the following dialogue took place.
> >
> > Prior postings....
> >
> > RE: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
> >
> > I'm glad I saw this because I was planning on ordering shocks from the Koni website ($149 each) where they recommend for the Magnum velvet ride suspension: Front: 88-1490SP2 and Rear: 88-1458SP2. Now I'm confused as to which ones to order?
> >
> > I'm also trying to improve the harsh ride. I changed the Toyo tires (date code 2001) with Michelin and this has softened and improved handling considerably. I've adjusted the ride height (removed 2 shims per stack, front only) to 43" all around and now I was replacing the tired Bilsteins with new Konis.
> >
> > Are those part numbers from Koni or Ralph Andrews?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > CC: brilcristiel@
> > From: togocotton@
> > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:29 -0600
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
> >
> >
> > Just got off the phone with Koni and with Ralph Andrews, VP of Safari International and owner of Pioneer Metal works. He is the guy who bought all the old Torsilastic/Velvet ride suspension parts up. A very nice contact. Thanks Gary!
> >
> > The dual shock mod is no longer needed or desired. After extensive testing in cooperation with Koni the recommended adjustable shock PNs for the torsilastic rigs for years between 1993 and 2003 are:
> >
> > Front 88-1641SP3 price around $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
> > Rear 88-1458SP1 $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
> >
> > These shocks should give even better results than the dual shock mod from Pioneer Metal Works. Ralph says these shocks also work far better than anything from Bilstein. I hope so!
> > KONI is closed for inventory but will be back open for business around Thursday.
> >
> > My rig already has nice steering stability mods that look like they are factory or shortly thereafter but this should help that too. I just want a softer attack and a slower release which is what this provides. The recommended settings for torsilastic rigs are:
> >
> > Front: run shock all the way and then back 1/2-3/4 turn
> > Rear: run all the way and then back 1/2 turn.
> >
> > These should bolt right on to any 93-2003 Torsilastic Safari. I emphasize tht your ride height must be correct and even all round, fully loaded before installing.
> >
> > FYI, I found the best price of $144 ea. at LTB MotorSports in FL with free shipping.
> >
> > Slim
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14572 From: slim_chestnut Date: 9/23/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Hi Jake,

Koni has a beta testing program and has a good list of application for velvet Safari ride coaches. You no longer need to go through Pioneer Metal Works or to use the dual shock adaptors. Just call Koni.

You may find the best pricing by using an online shock warehouse AFTER you get the correct number form KONI. Be sure to get the shock adjustment settings for your particular coach and weight.

When I installed the KONIs I found a substantial improvement.

The best results are from all the following being correct:

Shocks adjusted properly and probably the newer KONIs
Ride Height adjusted with nominal loading. [tanks half full and cargo]
Tire Pressures adjusted for load distribution
Quality tires
Excellent front end alignment
Steering stability mod may or may not help.

And of course the Velvet ride being in good working order. They seldom give problems though.

Slim

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@...> wrote:
>
> After reading all the posts it appears that Koni shocks are my best option but I am confused as to what models to use. When I cross reference from my Bilsteins on the Koni site they give me
>
> Front 8805-1012 and rear 8801458sp2.
>
> I am confused, should I use the shocks listed in the cross reference or the recommendations from Pioneer (second posting) from Slim
>
> In a 2009 posting on this subject the following dialogue took place.
>
> Prior postings....
>
> RE: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
>
> I'm glad I saw this because I was planning on ordering shocks from the Koni website ($149 each) where they recommend for the Magnum velvet ride suspension: Front: 88-1490SP2 and Rear: 88-1458SP2. Now I'm confused as to which ones to order?
>
> I'm also trying to improve the harsh ride. I changed the Toyo tires (date code 2001) with Michelin and this has softened and improved handling considerably. I've adjusted the ride height (removed 2 shims per stack, front only) to 43" all around and now I was replacing the tired Bilsteins with new Konis.
>
> Are those part numbers from Koni or Ralph Andrews?
>
> Thanks,
> Jake
>
>
>
>
>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> CC: brilcristiel@
> From: togocotton@
> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:29 -0600
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
>
>
> Just got off the phone with Koni and with Ralph Andrews, VP of Safari International and owner of Pioneer Metal works. He is the guy who bought all the old Torsilastic/Velvet ride suspension parts up. A very nice contact. Thanks Gary!
>
> The dual shock mod is no longer needed or desired. After extensive testing in cooperation with Koni the recommended adjustable shock PNs for the torsilastic rigs for years between 1993 and 2003 are:
>
> Front 88-1641SP3 price around $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
> Rear 88-1458SP1 $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
>
> These shocks should give even better results than the dual shock mod from Pioneer Metal Works. Ralph says these shocks also work far better than anything from Bilstein. I hope so!
> KONI is closed for inventory but will be back open for business around Thursday.
>
> My rig already has nice steering stability mods that look like they are factory or shortly thereafter but this should help that too. I just want a softer attack and a slower release which is what this provides. The recommended settings for torsilastic rigs are:
>
> Front: run shock all the way and then back 1/2-3/4 turn
> Rear: run all the way and then back 1/2 turn.
>
> These should bolt right on to any 93-2003 Torsilastic Safari. I emphasize tht your ride height must be correct and even all round, fully loaded before installing.
>
> FYI, I found the best price of $144 ea. at LTB MotorSports in FL with free shipping.
>
> Slim
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14599 From: Jake Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Go with Koni's recommendations either on their website or by phone. Meanwhile I'll see if I can find the paperwork from my purchase of last year

Jake (25/09/2011)
2002 Safari Zanzibar

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "slim_chestnut" <togocotton@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jake,
>
> Koni has a beta testing program and has a good list of application for velvet Safari ride coaches. You no longer need to go through Pioneer Metal Works or to use the dual shock adaptors. Just call Koni.
>
> You may find the best pricing by using an online shock warehouse AFTER you get the correct number form KONI. Be sure to get the shock adjustment settings for your particular coach and weight.
>
> When I installed the KONIs I found a substantial improvement.
>
> The best results are from all the following being correct:
>
> Shocks adjusted properly and probably the newer KONIs
> Ride Height adjusted with nominal loading. [tanks half full and cargo]
> Tire Pressures adjusted for load distribution
> Quality tires
> Excellent front end alignment
> Steering stability mod may or may not help.
>
> And of course the Velvet ride being in good working order. They seldom give problems though.
>
> Slim
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@> wrote:
> >
> > After reading all the posts it appears that Koni shocks are my best option but I am confused as to what models to use. When I cross reference from my Bilsteins on the Koni site they give me
> >
> > Front 8805-1012 and rear 8801458sp2.
> >
> > I am confused, should I use the shocks listed in the cross reference or the recommendations from Pioneer (second posting) from Slim
> >
> > In a 2009 posting on this subject the following dialogue took place.
> >
> > Prior postings....
> >
> > RE: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
> >
> > I'm glad I saw this because I was planning on ordering shocks from the Koni website ($149 each) where they recommend for the Magnum velvet ride suspension: Front: 88-1490SP2 and Rear: 88-1458SP2. Now I'm confused as to which ones to order?
> >
> > I'm also trying to improve the harsh ride. I changed the Toyo tires (date code 2001) with Michelin and this has softened and improved handling considerably. I've adjusted the ride height (removed 2 shims per stack, front only) to 43" all around and now I was replacing the tired Bilsteins with new Konis.
> >
> > Are those part numbers from Koni or Ralph Andrews?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > CC: brilcristiel@
> > From: togocotton@
> > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:29 -0600
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
> >
> >
> > Just got off the phone with Koni and with Ralph Andrews, VP of Safari International and owner of Pioneer Metal works. He is the guy who bought all the old Torsilastic/Velvet ride suspension parts up. A very nice contact. Thanks Gary!
> >
> > The dual shock mod is no longer needed or desired. After extensive testing in cooperation with Koni the recommended adjustable shock PNs for the torsilastic rigs for years between 1993 and 2003 are:
> >
> > Front 88-1641SP3 price around $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
> > Rear 88-1458SP1 $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
> >
> > These shocks should give even better results than the dual shock mod from Pioneer Metal Works. Ralph says these shocks also work far better than anything from Bilstein. I hope so!
> > KONI is closed for inventory but will be back open for business around Thursday.
> >
> > My rig already has nice steering stability mods that look like they are factory or shortly thereafter but this should help that too. I just want a softer attack and a slower release which is what this provides. The recommended settings for torsilastic rigs are:
> >
> > Front: run shock all the way and then back 1/2-3/4 turn
> > Rear: run all the way and then back 1/2 turn.
> >
> > These should bolt right on to any 93-2003 Torsilastic Safari. I emphasize tht your ride height must be correct and even all round, fully loaded before installing.
> >
> > FYI, I found the best price of $144 ea. at LTB MotorSports in FL with free shipping.
> >
> > Slim
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14616 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/25/2011
Subject: Re: Ride improvement on 2002 Safari Zanzibar with Magnum Velvet Ride
Was looking for something else in my electronic laptop library and ran across the email from Ralph. Here is the appropriate part numbers for:

"The dual shock mod is no longer needed or desired. After extensive testing in cooperation with Koni the recommended adjustable shock PNs for the torsilastic rigs for years between 1993 and 2003 are:

Front 88-1641SP3 price around $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
Rear 88-1458SP1 $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair"

Hope this is what you're looking for.


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Jake" <jjbelisle@...> wrote:
>
> Go with Koni's recommendations either on their website or by phone. Meanwhile I'll see if I can find the paperwork from my purchase of last year
>
> Jake (25/09/2011)
> 2002 Safari Zanzibar
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "slim_chestnut" <togocotton@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jake,
> >
> > Koni has a beta testing program and has a good list of application for velvet Safari ride coaches. You no longer need to go through Pioneer Metal Works or to use the dual shock adaptors. Just call Koni.
> >
> > You may find the best pricing by using an online shock warehouse AFTER you get the correct number form KONI. Be sure to get the shock adjustment settings for your particular coach and weight.
> >
> > When I installed the KONIs I found a substantial improvement.
> >
> > The best results are from all the following being correct:
> >
> > Shocks adjusted properly and probably the newer KONIs
> > Ride Height adjusted with nominal loading. [tanks half full and cargo]
> > Tire Pressures adjusted for load distribution
> > Quality tires
> > Excellent front end alignment
> > Steering stability mod may or may not help.
> >
> > And of course the Velvet ride being in good working order. They seldom give problems though.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "mandolin_blue" <breadbaker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > After reading all the posts it appears that Koni shocks are my best option but I am confused as to what models to use. When I cross reference from my Bilsteins on the Koni site they give me
> > >
> > > Front 8805-1012 and rear 8801458sp2.
> > >
> > > I am confused, should I use the shocks listed in the cross reference or the recommendations from Pioneer (second posting) from Slim
> > >
> > > In a 2009 posting on this subject the following dialogue took place.
> > >
> > > Prior postings....
> > >
> > > RE: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
> > >
> > > I'm glad I saw this because I was planning on ordering shocks from the Koni website ($149 each) where they recommend for the Magnum velvet ride suspension: Front: 88-1490SP2 and Rear: 88-1458SP2. Now I'm confused as to which ones to order?
> > >
> > > I'm also trying to improve the harsh ride. I changed the Toyo tires (date code 2001) with Michelin and this has softened and improved handling considerably. I've adjusted the ride height (removed 2 shims per stack, front only) to 43" all around and now I was replacing the tired Bilsteins with new Konis.
> > >
> > > Are those part numbers from Koni or Ralph Andrews?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jake
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > CC: brilcristiel@
> > > From: togocotton@
> > > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:45:29 -0600
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Koni or other shock modification Pictures and docs?
> > >
> > >
> > > Just got off the phone with Koni and with Ralph Andrews, VP of Safari International and owner of Pioneer Metal works. He is the guy who bought all the old Torsilastic/Velvet ride suspension parts up. A very nice contact. Thanks Gary!
> > >
> > > The dual shock mod is no longer needed or desired. After extensive testing in cooperation with Koni the recommended adjustable shock PNs for the torsilastic rigs for years between 1993 and 2003 are:
> > >
> > > Front 88-1641SP3 price around $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
> > > Rear 88-1458SP1 $147.00 from KONI, $294/pair
> > >
> > > These shocks should give even better results than the dual shock mod from Pioneer Metal Works. Ralph says these shocks also work far better than anything from Bilstein. I hope so!
> > > KONI is closed for inventory but will be back open for business around Thursday.
> > >
> > > My rig already has nice steering stability mods that look like they are factory or shortly thereafter but this should help that too. I just want a softer attack and a slower release which is what this provides. The recommended settings for torsilastic rigs are:
> > >
> > > Front: run shock all the way and then back 1/2-3/4 turn
> > > Rear: run all the way and then back 1/2 turn.
> > >
> > > These should bolt right on to any 93-2003 Torsilastic Safari. I emphasize tht your ride height must be correct and even all round, fully loaded before installing.
> > >
> > > FYI, I found the best price of $144 ea. at LTB MotorSports in FL with free shipping.
> > >
> > > Slim
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15295 From: Bubba Date: 11/12/2011
Subject: Re: Front Shocks for '91 Safari Serengeti
Do you have single or duel front shocks?
:)



--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "vp21lh1" <ron@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a number or size so I xan order a pair;
>
> Can't read the numbers on mine.
>
> thanks
>
> ron@...
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15306 From: vp21lh1 Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Re: Front Shocks for '91 Safari Serengeti
I have single front shocks


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Bubba" <woodlandrjs@...> wrote:
>
> Do you have single or duel front shocks?
> :)
>
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "vp21lh1" <ron@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have a number or size so I xan order a pair;
> >
> > Can't read the numbers on mine.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > ron@
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15308 From: Bill Date: 11/14/2011
Subject: Re: Front Shocks for '91 Safari Serengeti
Call http://www.eshocks.com 800-303-6211
That's where I got mine. fronts B46-2092, Rears B46-2093 Bilsteins

Bill
95 Sahara
Cummins B230
pulling 2007 jeep GC diesel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15547 From: TERRY SELVIDGE Date: 12/8/2011
Subject: Re: Missi Blue II Has a New Set Of Shoes
About $2400. with new Bilstein shocks.....terry sahara 250
cat....with toyos











"Andy Haiduck" <andrew.haiduck@...> wrote:
> Would you mind sharing what they cost?
> Andy Haiduck
> 98 Serengeti 4006 also needing new shoes
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb"
><jquade@...> wrote:
>>
>> Specifically, Toyo M-120Z's in 255 R70 / 22.5's all the
>>way around. Ride actually seemed to improve, especially
>>when going over highway/bridge joints. The Sumitomo's
>>kind of "Banged" going over joints, the Toyo's are
>>smooth, no banging.
>>
>
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15978 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Check the ride height, should be 42" to the band above the basement doors. Also check & see if the coach sets level. There are 10 shims per stack....so a total of 80 shims on the front & rear.
I put quad Konie shocks on the front, that helped alot, or I should say Ralph did....LOL. His stuff is pretty good too. Call him, he'll tell you more that you can digest.
Whats the mileage on the coach? Mine is over 115K, I've only removed a few shims in the front, to level it out.
1997 Serengeti
Ohio

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@...> wrote:
>
> Velvet Ride Suspension Parts Update. Last year when I was at Brazel's north of Centralia Wa., (I-5 Exit 88) I asked them about the suspension parts availability & expertise. I was told they bought all of Ralph's parts and were very experienced in working with them.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Haiduck" <andrew.haiduck@> wrote:
> >
> > Sven - I own a 98 Serengeti with Velvet Ride that I've had for 4 years now. We love the coach, but if I had it to do over again I'd stay away from Velvet Ride. My ride height adjustments are maxed out. Any further height adjustments will require either adding air bags or replacing the torsilastic components (if they can be found) - both pretty expensive options. Other than salvage yards, the only source of suspension parts is Ralph Andrews (509-750-0248), who bought up all the Velvet Ride parts from Monaco. The last time I talked to him he was in the process of replacing his Magnum chassis with an Alpine chassis that he found in a salvage yard (I think he really likes to tinker!).
> >
> > If I was in the market for another coach right now, I'd be looking for something on a Freightliner or Spartan chassis - nothing manufacturer specific.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > Andy Haiduck
> > 98 Serengeti 4006
> >
> > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: I believe the Serengetti has the Velvet Ride being standard. They didn't indicate in the ad, but would probably mention air bags if that were the case.
> > 7-10 doesn't sound bad.
> > Sven
> >
> > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote: What suspension is on the 1999 Serengeti?
> > My milage ranges from 7-10 mpg
> > 1997 Serengeti
> >
> > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: With retirement bearing down on me, we are considering "moving up" to a 1999 Serengetti 3726 from a '96 Sahara. The advantages would be the slide, an improved ride (we are on springs) and a longer couch for when I get myself in trouble. I've asked about slides previously and found that a number of you were pretty happy with them. Has anyone regreted moving to a larger rig with regard to manueverability, parking, etc. and what was is the observed fuel consumption of these rigs?
> > Thank you again for your views.
> > Sven
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15980 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
I appreciate the comments. As for the Freightliner or Spartan chassis, I am not considering any brand other than Safari. The main reason is the aluminum sides and paint. I've had a fiberglass coach with decals, and won't do that again. As it is, the fiberglass front cap of my Sahara is taking a beating from the southern California sun.
I'm not really familiar with the Velvet ride shims - are they wearing out? The coach I am considering has 29,000 miles; I realize that low mileage is not necessarily a good thing on these coaches, but probably good for the suspension. I can also expect to replace all the tires.
Still not sure about the extra 4' more than my 33'.
Sven

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:
>
> Check the ride height, should be 42" to the band above the basement doors. Also check & see if the coach sets level. There are 10 shims per stack....so a total of 80 shims on the front & rear.
> I put quad Konie shocks on the front, that helped alot, or I should say Ralph did....LOL. His stuff is pretty good too. Call him, he'll tell you more that you can digest.
> Whats the mileage on the coach? Mine is over 115K, I've only removed a few shims in the front, to level it out.
> 1997 Serengeti
> Ohio
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@> wrote:
> >
> > Velvet Ride Suspension Parts Update. Last year when I was at Brazel's north of Centralia Wa., (I-5 Exit 88) I asked them about the suspension parts availability & expertise. I was told they bought all of Ralph's parts and were very experienced in working with them.
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Haiduck" <andrew.haiduck@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sven - I own a 98 Serengeti with Velvet Ride that I've had for 4 years now. We love the coach, but if I had it to do over again I'd stay away from Velvet Ride. My ride height adjustments are maxed out. Any further height adjustments will require either adding air bags or replacing the torsilastic components (if they can be found) - both pretty expensive options. Other than salvage yards, the only source of suspension parts is Ralph Andrews (509-750-0248), who bought up all the Velvet Ride parts from Monaco. The last time I talked to him he was in the process of replacing his Magnum chassis with an Alpine chassis that he found in a salvage yard (I think he really likes to tinker!).
> > >
> > > If I was in the market for another coach right now, I'd be looking for something on a Freightliner or Spartan chassis - nothing manufacturer specific.
> > >
> > > Just my two cents.
> > >
> > > Andy Haiduck
> > > 98 Serengeti 4006
> > >
> > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: I believe the Serengetti has the Velvet Ride being standard. They didn't indicate in the ad, but would probably mention air bags if that were the case.
> > > 7-10 doesn't sound bad.
> > > Sven
> > >
> > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote: What suspension is on the 1999 Serengeti?
> > > My milage ranges from 7-10 mpg
> > > 1997 Serengeti
> > >
> > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: With retirement bearing down on me, we are considering "moving up" to a 1999 Serengetti 3726 from a '96 Sahara. The advantages would be the slide, an improved ride (we are on springs) and a longer couch for when I get myself in trouble. I've asked about slides previously and found that a number of you were pretty happy with them. Has anyone regreted moving to a larger rig with regard to manueverability, parking, etc. and what was is the observed fuel consumption of these rigs?
> > > Thank you again for your views.
> > > Sven
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15981 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 2/12/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Sven, The shims are just that shims. What wears is the rubber part of the suspension. You remove shims to raise the coach. Measure height, if low you remove shims. When you are too low and out of shims you are out of luck. You must have correct ride height for correct driveline angle.

If you are going to get a different Safari, get one with the 8 air bag suspension. Forget the Velvet Ride ones.

Jim
'96 Sahara

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@..." <svensd@...> wrote:
>
> I appreciate the comments. As for the Freightliner or Spartan chassis, I am not considering any brand other than Safari. The main reason is the aluminum sides and paint. I've had a fiberglass coach with decals, and won't do that again. As it is, the fiberglass front cap of my Sahara is taking a beating from the southern California sun.
> I'm not really familiar with the Velvet ride shims - are they wearing out? The coach I am considering has 29,000 miles; I realize that low mileage is not necessarily a good thing on these coaches, but probably good for the suspension. I can also expect to replace all the tires.
> Still not sure about the extra 4' more than my 33'.
> Sven
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote:
> >
> > Check the ride height, should be 42" to the band above the basement doors. Also check & see if the coach sets level. There are 10 shims per stack....so a total of 80 shims on the front & rear.
> > I put quad Konie shocks on the front, that helped alot, or I should say Ralph did....LOL. His stuff is pretty good too. Call him, he'll tell you more that you can digest.
> > Whats the mileage on the coach? Mine is over 115K, I've only removed a few shims in the front, to level it out.
> > 1997 Serengeti
> > Ohio
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Velvet Ride Suspension Parts Update. Last year when I was at Brazel's north of Centralia Wa., (I-5 Exit 88) I asked them about the suspension parts availability & expertise. I was told they bought all of Ralph's parts and were very experienced in working with them.
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Haiduck" <andrew.haiduck@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sven - I own a 98 Serengeti with Velvet Ride that I've had for 4 years now. We love the coach, but if I had it to do over again I'd stay away from Velvet Ride. My ride height adjustments are maxed out. Any further height adjustments will require either adding air bags or replacing the torsilastic components (if they can be found) - both pretty expensive options. Other than salvage yards, the only source of suspension parts is Ralph Andrews (509-750-0248), who bought up all the Velvet Ride parts from Monaco. The last time I talked to him he was in the process of replacing his Magnum chassis with an Alpine chassis that he found in a salvage yard (I think he really likes to tinker!).
> > > >
> > > > If I was in the market for another coach right now, I'd be looking for something on a Freightliner or Spartan chassis - nothing manufacturer specific.
> > > >
> > > > Just my two cents.
> > > >
> > > > Andy Haiduck
> > > > 98 Serengeti 4006
> > > >
> > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: I believe the Serengetti has the Velvet Ride being standard. They didn't indicate in the ad, but would probably mention air bags if that were the case.
> > > > 7-10 doesn't sound bad.
> > > > Sven
> > > >
> > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote: What suspension is on the 1999 Serengeti?
> > > > My milage ranges from 7-10 mpg
> > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > >
> > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: With retirement bearing down on me, we are considering "moving up" to a 1999 Serengetti 3726 from a '96 Sahara. The advantages would be the slide, an improved ride (we are on springs) and a longer couch for when I get myself in trouble. I've asked about slides previously and found that a number of you were pretty happy with them. Has anyone regreted moving to a larger rig with regard to manueverability, parking, etc. and what was is the observed fuel consumption of these rigs?
> > > > Thank you again for your views.
> > > > Sven
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15982 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 2/13/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
We went from a 34 ft Cruise Master to the 38 ft Serengeti.
The length didn't bother me as much as the width. It took me two seasons to feel comfortable in the Cruise Master, but only one to feel good in the Safari. Also the Safari weight is much more.
I believe there are air bags to supliment the torsilastic, when it gets to that point.
1997 Serengeti
Ohio

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
>
> Sven, The shims are just that shims. What wears is the rubber part of the suspension. You remove shims to raise the coach. Measure height, if low you remove shims. When you are too low and out of shims you are out of luck. You must have correct ride height for correct driveline angle.
>
> If you are going to get a different Safari, get one with the 8 air bag suspension. Forget the Velvet Ride ones.
>
> Jim
> '96 Sahara
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote:
> >
> > I appreciate the comments. As for the Freightliner or Spartan chassis, I am not considering any brand other than Safari. The main reason is the aluminum sides and paint. I've had a fiberglass coach with decals, and won't do that again. As it is, the fiberglass front cap of my Sahara is taking a beating from the southern California sun.
> > I'm not really familiar with the Velvet ride shims - are they wearing out? The coach I am considering has 29,000 miles; I realize that low mileage is not necessarily a good thing on these coaches, but probably good for the suspension. I can also expect to replace all the tires.
> > Still not sure about the extra 4' more than my 33'.
> > Sven
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Check the ride height, should be 42" to the band above the basement doors. Also check & see if the coach sets level. There are 10 shims per stack....so a total of 80 shims on the front & rear.
> > > I put quad Konie shocks on the front, that helped alot, or I should say Ralph did....LOL. His stuff is pretty good too. Call him, he'll tell you more that you can digest.
> > > Whats the mileage on the coach? Mine is over 115K, I've only removed a few shims in the front, to level it out.
> > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > Ohio
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Velvet Ride Suspension Parts Update. Last year when I was at Brazel's north of Centralia Wa., (I-5 Exit 88) I asked them about the suspension parts availability & expertise. I was told they bought all of Ralph's parts and were very experienced in working with them.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Haiduck" <andrew.haiduck@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sven - I own a 98 Serengeti with Velvet Ride that I've had for 4 years now. We love the coach, but if I had it to do over again I'd stay away from Velvet Ride. My ride height adjustments are maxed out. Any further height adjustments will require either adding air bags or replacing the torsilastic components (if they can be found) - both pretty expensive options. Other than salvage yards, the only source of suspension parts is Ralph Andrews (509-750-0248), who bought up all the Velvet Ride parts from Monaco. The last time I talked to him he was in the process of replacing his Magnum chassis with an Alpine chassis that he found in a salvage yard (I think he really likes to tinker!).
> > > > >
> > > > > If I was in the market for another coach right now, I'd be looking for something on a Freightliner or Spartan chassis - nothing manufacturer specific.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my two cents.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Haiduck
> > > > > 98 Serengeti 4006
> > > > >
> > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: I believe the Serengetti has the Velvet Ride being standard. They didn't indicate in the ad, but would probably mention air bags if that were the case.
> > > > > 7-10 doesn't sound bad.
> > > > > Sven
> > > > >
> > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote: What suspension is on the 1999 Serengeti?
> > > > > My milage ranges from 7-10 mpg
> > > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > >
> > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: With retirement bearing down on me, we are considering "moving up" to a 1999 Serengetti 3726 from a '96 Sahara. The advantages would be the slide, an improved ride (we are on springs) and a longer couch for when I get myself in trouble. I've asked about slides previously and found that a number of you were pretty happy with them. Has anyone regreted moving to a larger rig with regard to manueverability, parking, etc. and what was is the observed fuel consumption of these rigs?
> > > > > Thank you again for your views.
> > > > > Sven
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 15997 From: pschafersr Date: 2/14/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Hi All, haven't posted for some time (long time I guess) but it just so happens I can give EVERYONE with a BF Goodrich Torsilastic Suspension (Velvet Ride) some good news...

My 01 Safari Zanzibar is in the shop as we speak (Redlands Truck & RV, Redlands, CA) having the suspension replaced, with new torque tubes and related parts. My ride height could no longer be adjusted. We live in the coach, travel about 10,000 miles a year, and have been struggling with the suspension issue for a few years now. Everyone else I talked to at convensions and rallies gave their condolences or told me I was screwed when I mentioned BF Goodrich suspension issues. However, the parts are available and there are people who know what they are doing with them.

It is expensive. The parts alone are about $3,000 per axle, and the job is very labor intensive. I am taking pictures of the project and will try to post them next week.

We are excited to ride down the road in the coach the way it was meant to be! More later...

Phil

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
>
> Sven, The shims are just that shims. What wears is the rubber part of the suspension. You remove shims to raise the coach. Measure height, if low you remove shims. When you are too low and out of shims you are out of luck. You must have correct ride height for correct driveline angle.
>
> If you are going to get a different Safari, get one with the 8 air bag suspension. Forget the Velvet Ride ones.
>
> Jim
> '96 Sahara
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote:
> >
> > I appreciate the comments. As for the Freightliner or Spartan chassis, I am not considering any brand other than Safari. The main reason is the aluminum sides and paint. I've had a fiberglass coach with decals, and won't do that again. As it is, the fiberglass front cap of my Sahara is taking a beating from the southern California sun.
> > I'm not really familiar with the Velvet ride shims - are they wearing out? The coach I am considering has 29,000 miles; I realize that low mileage is not necessarily a good thing on these coaches, but probably good for the suspension. I can also expect to replace all the tires.
> > Still not sure about the extra 4' more than my 33'.
> > Sven
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Check the ride height, should be 42" to the band above the basement doors. Also check & see if the coach sets level. There are 10 shims per stack....so a total of 80 shims on the front & rear.
> > > I put quad Konie shocks on the front, that helped alot, or I should say Ralph did....LOL. His stuff is pretty good too. Call him, he'll tell you more that you can digest.
> > > Whats the mileage on the coach? Mine is over 115K, I've only removed a few shims in the front, to level it out.
> > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > Ohio
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Velvet Ride Suspension Parts Update. Last year when I was at Brazel's north of Centralia Wa., (I-5 Exit 88) I asked them about the suspension parts availability & expertise. I was told they bought all of Ralph's parts and were very experienced in working with them.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Haiduck" <andrew.haiduck@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sven - I own a 98 Serengeti with Velvet Ride that I've had for 4 years now. We love the coach, but if I had it to do over again I'd stay away from Velvet Ride. My ride height adjustments are maxed out. Any further height adjustments will require either adding air bags or replacing the torsilastic components (if they can be found) - both pretty expensive options. Other than salvage yards, the only source of suspension parts is Ralph Andrews (509-750-0248), who bought up all the Velvet Ride parts from Monaco. The last time I talked to him he was in the process of replacing his Magnum chassis with an Alpine chassis that he found in a salvage yard (I think he really likes to tinker!).
> > > > >
> > > > > If I was in the market for another coach right now, I'd be looking for something on a Freightliner or Spartan chassis - nothing manufacturer specific.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my two cents.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Haiduck
> > > > > 98 Serengeti 4006
> > > > >
> > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: I believe the Serengetti has the Velvet Ride being standard. They didn't indicate in the ad, but would probably mention air bags if that were the case.
> > > > > 7-10 doesn't sound bad.
> > > > > Sven
> > > > >
> > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote: What suspension is on the 1999 Serengeti?
> > > > > My milage ranges from 7-10 mpg
> > > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > >
> > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: With retirement bearing down on me, we are considering "moving up" to a 1999 Serengetti 3726 from a '96 Sahara. The advantages would be the slide, an improved ride (we are on springs) and a longer couch for when I get myself in trouble. I've asked about slides previously and found that a number of you were pretty happy with them. Has anyone regreted moving to a larger rig with regard to manueverability, parking, etc. and what was is the observed fuel consumption of these rigs?
> > > > > Thank you again for your views.
> > > > > Sven
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16000 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
What size tube's are they using on your coach?
I forget what size the newer coach's have, but I think they're smaller than the older ones
3 1/2" square?????
1997 Serengeti
Ohio

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "pschafersr" <pschafersr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All, haven't posted for some time (long time I guess) but it just so happens I can give EVERYONE with a BF Goodrich Torsilastic Suspension (Velvet Ride) some good news...
>
> My 01 Safari Zanzibar is in the shop as we speak (Redlands Truck & RV, Redlands, CA) having the suspension replaced, with new torque tubes and related parts. My ride height could no longer be adjusted. We live in the coach, travel about 10,000 miles a year, and have been struggling with the suspension issue for a few years now. Everyone else I talked to at convensions and rallies gave their condolences or told me I was screwed when I mentioned BF Goodrich suspension issues. However, the parts are available and there are people who know what they are doing with them.
>
> It is expensive. The parts alone are about $3,000 per axle, and the job is very labor intensive. I am taking pictures of the project and will try to post them next week.
>
> We are excited to ride down the road in the coach the way it was meant to be! More later...
>
> Phil
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@> wrote:
> >
> > Sven, The shims are just that shims. What wears is the rubber part of the suspension. You remove shims to raise the coach. Measure height, if low you remove shims. When you are too low and out of shims you are out of luck. You must have correct ride height for correct driveline angle.
> >
> > If you are going to get a different Safari, get one with the 8 air bag suspension. Forget the Velvet Ride ones.
> >
> > Jim
> > '96 Sahara
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I appreciate the comments. As for the Freightliner or Spartan chassis, I am not considering any brand other than Safari. The main reason is the aluminum sides and paint. I've had a fiberglass coach with decals, and won't do that again. As it is, the fiberglass front cap of my Sahara is taking a beating from the southern California sun.
> > > I'm not really familiar with the Velvet ride shims - are they wearing out? The coach I am considering has 29,000 miles; I realize that low mileage is not necessarily a good thing on these coaches, but probably good for the suspension. I can also expect to replace all the tires.
> > > Still not sure about the extra 4' more than my 33'.
> > > Sven
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Check the ride height, should be 42" to the band above the basement doors. Also check & see if the coach sets level. There are 10 shims per stack....so a total of 80 shims on the front & rear.
> > > > I put quad Konie shocks on the front, that helped alot, or I should say Ralph did....LOL. His stuff is pretty good too. Call him, he'll tell you more that you can digest.
> > > > Whats the mileage on the coach? Mine is over 115K, I've only removed a few shims in the front, to level it out.
> > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > Ohio
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Velvet Ride Suspension Parts Update. Last year when I was at Brazel's north of Centralia Wa., (I-5 Exit 88) I asked them about the suspension parts availability & expertise. I was told they bought all of Ralph's parts and were very experienced in working with them.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Haiduck" <andrew.haiduck@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sven - I own a 98 Serengeti with Velvet Ride that I've had for 4 years now. We love the coach, but if I had it to do over again I'd stay away from Velvet Ride. My ride height adjustments are maxed out. Any further height adjustments will require either adding air bags or replacing the torsilastic components (if they can be found) - both pretty expensive options. Other than salvage yards, the only source of suspension parts is Ralph Andrews (509-750-0248), who bought up all the Velvet Ride parts from Monaco. The last time I talked to him he was in the process of replacing his Magnum chassis with an Alpine chassis that he found in a salvage yard (I think he really likes to tinker!).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I was in the market for another coach right now, I'd be looking for something on a Freightliner or Spartan chassis - nothing manufacturer specific.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just my two cents.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Haiduck
> > > > > > 98 Serengeti 4006
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: I believe the Serengetti has the Velvet Ride being standard. They didn't indicate in the ad, but would probably mention air bags if that were the case.
> > > > > > 7-10 doesn't sound bad.
> > > > > > Sven
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote: What suspension is on the 1999 Serengeti?
> > > > > > My milage ranges from 7-10 mpg
> > > > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote: With retirement bearing down on me, we are considering "moving up" to a 1999 Serengetti 3726 from a '96 Sahara. The advantages would be the slide, an improved ride (we are on springs) and a longer couch for when I get myself in trouble. I've asked about slides previously and found that a number of you were pretty happy with them. Has anyone regreted moving to a larger rig with regard to manueverability, parking, etc. and what was is the observed fuel consumption of these rigs?
> > > > > > Thank you again for your views.
> > > > > > Sven
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16001 From: pschafersr Date: 2/15/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Not sure what size the tubes are, I will check when I go back out later.
I do know the front tubes are a different size than the rear tubes. When
we ordered the parts, we gave them the gawr of both axles, and they are
sized accordingly. When I post the pix you will see the differences.

I can give an update, however on the progress. They have finished the
front, and the first impression is that the front end is still up on
jacks (but it's not)! The difference in height between the front and
rear, measured at the trim, vertically centered at the wheel, is 4". I
can't wait until they get the rear done!

More tomorrow...




--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...>
wrote:
>
> What size tube's are they using on your coach?
> I forget what size the newer coach's have, but I think they're smaller
than the older ones
> 3 1/2" square?????
> 1997 Serengeti
> Ohio
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "pschafersr" pschafersr@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi All, haven't posted for some time (long time I guess) but it just
so happens I can give EVERYONE with a BF Goodrich Torsilastic Suspension
(Velvet Ride) some good news...
> >
> > My 01 Safari Zanzibar is in the shop as we speak (Redlands Truck &
RV, Redlands, CA) having the suspension replaced, with new torque tubes
and related parts. My ride height could no longer be adjusted. We live
in the coach, travel about 10,000 miles a year, and have been struggling
with the suspension issue for a few years now. Everyone else I talked to
at convensions and rallies gave their condolences or told me I was
screwed when I mentioned BF Goodrich suspension issues. However, the
parts are available and there are people who know what they are doing
with them.
> >
> > It is expensive. The parts alone are about $3,000 per axle, and the
job is very labor intensive. I am taking pictures of the project and
will try to post them next week.
> >
> > We are excited to ride down the road in the coach the way it was
meant to be! More later...
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks"
<jimlyndabrooks@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sven, The shims are just that shims. What wears is the rubber part
of the suspension. You remove shims to raise the coach. Measure height,
if low you remove shims. When you are too low and out of shims you are
out of luck. You must have correct ride height for correct driveline
angle.
> > >
> > > If you are going to get a different Safari, get one with the 8 air
bag suspension. Forget the Velvet Ride ones.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > '96 Sahara
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate the comments. As for the Freightliner or Spartan
chassis, I am not considering any brand other than Safari. The main
reason is the aluminum sides and paint. I've had a fiberglass coach with
decals, and won't do that again. As it is, the fiberglass front cap of
my Sahara is taking a beating from the southern California sun.
> > > > I'm not really familiar with the Velvet ride shims - are they
wearing out? The coach I am considering has 29,000 miles; I realize that
low mileage is not necessarily a good thing on these coaches, but
probably good for the suspension. I can also expect to replace all the
tires.
> > > > Still not sure about the extra 4' more than my 33'.
> > > > Sven
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72"
<cdl45309@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Check the ride height, should be 42" to the band above the
basement doors. Also check & see if the coach sets level. There are 10
shims per stack....so a total of 80 shims on the front & rear.
> > > > > I put quad Konie shocks on the front, that helped alot, or I
should say Ralph did....LOL. His stuff is pretty good too. Call him,
he'll tell you more that you can digest.
> > > > > Whats the mileage on the coach? Mine is over 115K, I've only
removed a few shims in the front, to level it out.
> > > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > > Ohio
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Velvet Ride Suspension Parts Update. Last year when I was at
Brazel's north of Centralia Wa., (I-5 Exit 88) I asked them about the
suspension parts availability & expertise. I was told they bought all of
Ralph's parts and were very experienced in working with them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Haiduck"
<andrew.haiduck@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sven - I own a 98 Serengeti with Velvet Ride that I've had
for 4 years now. We love the coach, but if I had it to do over again I'd
stay away from Velvet Ride. My ride height adjustments are maxed out.
Any further height adjustments will require either adding air bags or
replacing the torsilastic components (if they can be found) - both
pretty expensive options. Other than salvage yards, the only source of
suspension parts is Ralph Andrews (509-750-0248), who bought up all the
Velvet Ride parts from Monaco. The last time I talked to him he was in
the process of replacing his Magnum chassis with an Alpine chassis that
he found in a salvage yard (I think he really likes to tinker!).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I was in the market for another coach right now, I'd be
looking for something on a Freightliner or Spartan chassis - nothing
manufacturer specific.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just my two cents.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Haiduck
> > > > > > > 98 Serengeti 4006
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@>
wrote: I believe the Serengetti has the Velvet Ride being standard. They
didn't indicate in the ad, but would probably mention air bags if that
were the case.
> > > > > > > 7-10 doesn't sound bad.
> > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72"
<cdl45309@> wrote: What suspension is on the 1999 Serengeti?
> > > > > > > My milage ranges from 7-10 mpg
> > > > > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@>
wrote: With retirement bearing down on me, we are considering "moving
up" to a 1999 Serengetti 3726 from a '96 Sahara. The advantages would be
the slide, an improved ride (we are on springs) and a longer couch for
when I get myself in trouble. I've asked about slides previously and
found that a number of you were pretty happy with them. Has anyone
regreted moving to a larger rig with regard to manueverability, parking,
etc. and what was is the observed fuel consumption of these rigs?
> > > > > > > Thank you again for your views.
> > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16065 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
I talked to the owner of the Serengetti and she said that it has air bags - she recently replaced three of them, which concerns me. It is a '99 and has 28,000 miles (!), but not thinking the low miles is a good thing - RV's like to be driven. If the bags developed cracks from being deflated while in long storage I might have to replace the others, not to mention seals, etc. that might be an issue. I would be interested in hearing about your experiences with air bags and thoughts regarding 13 year old rig with very low mileage (tires were replace 3 years ago). The rig looks like new from the photos.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "pschafersr" <pschafersr@...> wrote:
>
>
> Not sure what size the tubes are, I will check when I go back out later.
> I do know the front tubes are a different size than the rear tubes. When
> we ordered the parts, we gave them the gawr of both axles, and they are
> sized accordingly. When I post the pix you will see the differences.
>
> I can give an update, however on the progress. They have finished the
> front, and the first impression is that the front end is still up on
> jacks (but it's not)! The difference in height between the front and
> rear, measured at the trim, vertically centered at the wheel, is 4". I
> can't wait until they get the rear done!
>
> More tomorrow...
>
>
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What size tube's are they using on your coach?
> > I forget what size the newer coach's have, but I think they're smaller
> than the older ones
> > 3 1/2" square?????
> > 1997 Serengeti
> > Ohio
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "pschafersr" pschafersr@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All, haven't posted for some time (long time I guess) but it just
> so happens I can give EVERYONE with a BF Goodrich Torsilastic Suspension
> (Velvet Ride) some good news...
> > >
> > > My 01 Safari Zanzibar is in the shop as we speak (Redlands Truck &
> RV, Redlands, CA) having the suspension replaced, with new torque tubes
> and related parts. My ride height could no longer be adjusted. We live
> in the coach, travel about 10,000 miles a year, and have been struggling
> with the suspension issue for a few years now. Everyone else I talked to
> at convensions and rallies gave their condolences or told me I was
> screwed when I mentioned BF Goodrich suspension issues. However, the
> parts are available and there are people who know what they are doing
> with them.
> > >
> > > It is expensive. The parts alone are about $3,000 per axle, and the
> job is very labor intensive. I am taking pictures of the project and
> will try to post them next week.
> > >
> > > We are excited to ride down the road in the coach the way it was
> meant to be! More later...
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks"
> <jimlyndabrooks@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sven, The shims are just that shims. What wears is the rubber part
> of the suspension. You remove shims to raise the coach. Measure height,
> if low you remove shims. When you are too low and out of shims you are
> out of luck. You must have correct ride height for correct driveline
> angle.
> > > >
> > > > If you are going to get a different Safari, get one with the 8 air
> bag suspension. Forget the Velvet Ride ones.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > '96 Sahara
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I appreciate the comments. As for the Freightliner or Spartan
> chassis, I am not considering any brand other than Safari. The main
> reason is the aluminum sides and paint. I've had a fiberglass coach with
> decals, and won't do that again. As it is, the fiberglass front cap of
> my Sahara is taking a beating from the southern California sun.
> > > > > I'm not really familiar with the Velvet ride shims - are they
> wearing out? The coach I am considering has 29,000 miles; I realize that
> low mileage is not necessarily a good thing on these coaches, but
> probably good for the suspension. I can also expect to replace all the
> tires.
> > > > > Still not sure about the extra 4' more than my 33'.
> > > > > Sven
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72"
> <cdl45309@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check the ride height, should be 42" to the band above the
> basement doors. Also check & see if the coach sets level. There are 10
> shims per stack....so a total of 80 shims on the front & rear.
> > > > > > I put quad Konie shocks on the front, that helped alot, or I
> should say Ralph did....LOL. His stuff is pretty good too. Call him,
> he'll tell you more that you can digest.
> > > > > > Whats the mileage on the coach? Mine is over 115K, I've only
> removed a few shims in the front, to level it out.
> > > > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > > > Ohio
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Velvet Ride Suspension Parts Update. Last year when I was at
> Brazel's north of Centralia Wa., (I-5 Exit 88) I asked them about the
> suspension parts availability & expertise. I was told they bought all of
> Ralph's parts and were very experienced in working with them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Haiduck"
> <andrew.haiduck@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sven - I own a 98 Serengeti with Velvet Ride that I've had
> for 4 years now. We love the coach, but if I had it to do over again I'd
> stay away from Velvet Ride. My ride height adjustments are maxed out.
> Any further height adjustments will require either adding air bags or
> replacing the torsilastic components (if they can be found) - both
> pretty expensive options. Other than salvage yards, the only source of
> suspension parts is Ralph Andrews (509-750-0248), who bought up all the
> Velvet Ride parts from Monaco. The last time I talked to him he was in
> the process of replacing his Magnum chassis with an Alpine chassis that
> he found in a salvage yard (I think he really likes to tinker!).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If I was in the market for another coach right now, I'd be
> looking for something on a Freightliner or Spartan chassis - nothing
> manufacturer specific.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just my two cents.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy Haiduck
> > > > > > > > 98 Serengeti 4006
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@>
> wrote: I believe the Serengetti has the Velvet Ride being standard. They
> didn't indicate in the ad, but would probably mention air bags if that
> were the case.
> > > > > > > > 7-10 doesn't sound bad.
> > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72"
> <cdl45309@> wrote: What suspension is on the 1999 Serengeti?
> > > > > > > > My milage ranges from 7-10 mpg
> > > > > > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@>
> wrote: With retirement bearing down on me, we are considering "moving
> up" to a 1999 Serengetti 3726 from a '96 Sahara. The advantages would be
> the slide, an improved ride (we are on springs) and a longer couch for
> when I get myself in trouble. I've asked about slides previously and
> found that a number of you were pretty happy with them. Has anyone
> regreted moving to a larger rig with regard to manueverability, parking,
> etc. and what was is the observed fuel consumption of these rigs?
> > > > > > > > Thank you again for your views.
> > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16066 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 2/20/2012
Subject: Re: Serengetti 3726
Forgot to ask about SE Gi "snakey" windows - where they used in all dual windows for all the older rigs?

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@..." <svensd@...> wrote:
>
> I talked to the owner of the Serengetti and she said that it has air bags - she recently replaced three of them, which concerns me. It is a '99 and has 28,000 miles (!), but not thinking the low miles is a good thing - RV's like to be driven. If the bags developed cracks from being deflated while in long storage I might have to replace the others, not to mention seals, etc. that might be an issue. I would be interested in hearing about your experiences with air bags and thoughts regarding 13 year old rig with very low mileage (tires were replace 3 years ago). The rig looks like new from the photos.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "pschafersr" <pschafersr@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Not sure what size the tubes are, I will check when I go back out later.
> > I do know the front tubes are a different size than the rear tubes. When
> > we ordered the parts, we gave them the gawr of both axles, and they are
> > sized accordingly. When I post the pix you will see the differences.
> >
> > I can give an update, however on the progress. They have finished the
> > front, and the first impression is that the front end is still up on
> > jacks (but it's not)! The difference in height between the front and
> > rear, measured at the trim, vertically centered at the wheel, is 4". I
> > can't wait until they get the rear done!
> >
> > More tomorrow...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > What size tube's are they using on your coach?
> > > I forget what size the newer coach's have, but I think they're smaller
> > than the older ones
> > > 3 1/2" square?????
> > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > Ohio
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "pschafersr" pschafersr@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All, haven't posted for some time (long time I guess) but it just
> > so happens I can give EVERYONE with a BF Goodrich Torsilastic Suspension
> > (Velvet Ride) some good news...
> > > >
> > > > My 01 Safari Zanzibar is in the shop as we speak (Redlands Truck &
> > RV, Redlands, CA) having the suspension replaced, with new torque tubes
> > and related parts. My ride height could no longer be adjusted. We live
> > in the coach, travel about 10,000 miles a year, and have been struggling
> > with the suspension issue for a few years now. Everyone else I talked to
> > at convensions and rallies gave their condolences or told me I was
> > screwed when I mentioned BF Goodrich suspension issues. However, the
> > parts are available and there are people who know what they are doing
> > with them.
> > > >
> > > > It is expensive. The parts alone are about $3,000 per axle, and the
> > job is very labor intensive. I am taking pictures of the project and
> > will try to post them next week.
> > > >
> > > > We are excited to ride down the road in the coach the way it was
> > meant to be! More later...
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks"
> > <jimlyndabrooks@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sven, The shims are just that shims. What wears is the rubber part
> > of the suspension. You remove shims to raise the coach. Measure height,
> > if low you remove shims. When you are too low and out of shims you are
> > out of luck. You must have correct ride height for correct driveline
> > angle.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are going to get a different Safari, get one with the 8 air
> > bag suspension. Forget the Velvet Ride ones.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > > > '96 Sahara
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I appreciate the comments. As for the Freightliner or Spartan
> > chassis, I am not considering any brand other than Safari. The main
> > reason is the aluminum sides and paint. I've had a fiberglass coach with
> > decals, and won't do that again. As it is, the fiberglass front cap of
> > my Sahara is taking a beating from the southern California sun.
> > > > > > I'm not really familiar with the Velvet ride shims - are they
> > wearing out? The coach I am considering has 29,000 miles; I realize that
> > low mileage is not necessarily a good thing on these coaches, but
> > probably good for the suspension. I can also expect to replace all the
> > tires.
> > > > > > Still not sure about the extra 4' more than my 33'.
> > > > > > Sven
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72"
> > <cdl45309@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Check the ride height, should be 42" to the band above the
> > basement doors. Also check & see if the coach sets level. There are 10
> > shims per stack....so a total of 80 shims on the front & rear.
> > > > > > > I put quad Konie shocks on the front, that helped alot, or I
> > should say Ralph did....LOL. His stuff is pretty good too. Call him,
> > he'll tell you more that you can digest.
> > > > > > > Whats the mileage on the coach? Mine is over 115K, I've only
> > removed a few shims in the front, to level it out.
> > > > > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > > > > Ohio
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Velvet Ride Suspension Parts Update. Last year when I was at
> > Brazel's north of Centralia Wa., (I-5 Exit 88) I asked them about the
> > suspension parts availability & expertise. I was told they bought all of
> > Ralph's parts and were very experienced in working with them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Haiduck"
> > <andrew.haiduck@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sven - I own a 98 Serengeti with Velvet Ride that I've had
> > for 4 years now. We love the coach, but if I had it to do over again I'd
> > stay away from Velvet Ride. My ride height adjustments are maxed out.
> > Any further height adjustments will require either adding air bags or
> > replacing the torsilastic components (if they can be found) - both
> > pretty expensive options. Other than salvage yards, the only source of
> > suspension parts is Ralph Andrews (509-750-0248), who bought up all the
> > Velvet Ride parts from Monaco. The last time I talked to him he was in
> > the process of replacing his Magnum chassis with an Alpine chassis that
> > he found in a salvage yard (I think he really likes to tinker!).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If I was in the market for another coach right now, I'd be
> > looking for something on a Freightliner or Spartan chassis - nothing
> > manufacturer specific.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just my two cents.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Andy Haiduck
> > > > > > > > > 98 Serengeti 4006
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@>
> > wrote: I believe the Serengetti has the Velvet Ride being standard. They
> > didn't indicate in the ad, but would probably mention air bags if that
> > were the case.
> > > > > > > > > 7-10 doesn't sound bad.
> > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72"
> > <cdl45309@> wrote: What suspension is on the 1999 Serengeti?
> > > > > > > > > My milage ranges from 7-10 mpg
> > > > > > > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "svenbeck@" <svensd@>
> > wrote: With retirement bearing down on me, we are considering "moving
> > up" to a 1999 Serengetti 3726 from a '96 Sahara. The advantages would be
> > the slide, an improved ride (we are on springs) and a longer couch for
> > when I get myself in trouble. I've asked about slides previously and
> > found that a number of you were pretty happy with them. Has anyone
> > regreted moving to a larger rig with regard to manueverability, parking,
> > etc. and what was is the observed fuel consumption of these rigs?
> > > > > > > > > Thank you again for your views.
> > > > > > > > > Sven
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>