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Group: Safarifriends Message: 32952 From: burch1945 Date: 5/2/2017
Subject: Re: Safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32954 From: TD Date: 5/3/2017
Subject: Re: Safari [1 Attachment]
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Subject: Re: Safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32960 From: Danny Date: 5/3/2017
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 32962 From: Bill Edwards Date: 5/4/2017
Subject: Re: Safari
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33009 From: TD Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33013 From: Larry Fasnacht Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
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Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
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Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
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Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
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Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
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Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33019 From: Larry Fasnacht Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33020 From: TD Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33024 From: TD Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33050 From: James McDaniel Date: 5/8/2017
Subject: koni shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33051 From: TD Date: 5/8/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33056 From: looking41234 Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: 2002 Zanzibar ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33057 From: Dwayne Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: 2002 Zanzibar ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33058 From: James McDaniel Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33064 From: TD Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: 2002 Zanzibar ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33067 From: Dog Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: 2002 Zanzibar ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33069 From: TD Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33072 From: TD Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33075 From: James McDaniel Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33095 From: Rob Lunday Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: 2002 Zanzibar ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33230 From: Bill Edwards Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33239 From: Dog Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
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Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
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Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
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Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
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Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
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Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
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Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34502 From: Rossluken Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34506 From: Gerry Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions [5 Attac
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Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 34626 From: Ross Luken Date: 7/13/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions
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Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34644 From: Ross Luken Date: 7/14/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari shocks and handling
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34655 From: TD Date: 7/14/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari shocks and handling



Group: Safarifriends Message: 32952 From: burch1945 Date: 5/2/2017
Subject: Re: Safari

Danny,

I purchased back in January a 1996 Sahara with a 3126 Cat engine with 80,000 miles.   It had obviously been neglected. I am going through a list of repair items, new radiator, new brakes, new ac compressor, etc.   Do I need to worry about the computer card on the engine.  Should I get another one as a spare just in case of a problem with it.?  Or is this an unnecessary expenditure.  As I said the engine runs fine.

thanks

Joe
St Augustine

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 11:39 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Thank you John and Ed,
   My Safari is a 2000 with a Cat 3126.  it has not been out for about 8 months now. I pulled Tue radiator to clean the cores on the outside as well as the intercooler; both were clogged causing fit to want to run hot. what a pain in the bottom side that was. I took the time to replace the thermostats and air filter. Another pain to get at. I have not taken it out for a test drive; since changing the air filter however the cooling issue is resolved. Loss of power due to clogged air filter is what I hope was the issue. I had surgery so taking it on the road has to wait.
I will be trying some of the inputs on sway control you both shared. Our Safari does seem like it should handle better. passing a big rig or windy days sure make for a tiring drive at the end of the day.
  Adding some of your suggestions is not an issue for me. I am certified Caterpillar and automotive mechanic and have a nice workshop I keep the Safari in.
   Thank you for what is good advice. I will be putting it to good use.

Danny Gremes
2000 Safari Continental



On April 30, 2017, at 17:50, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Danny,

 

Back to your note on the 28th Sorry I was not timely on a replay as I was out of town. But here is my take. I have a 99 Safari Continental Panther. It too has an 8 bag setup. I would suggest that 4 bags support one axel and 4 the other. These bags are about 10 inches in diameter and 9 inches tall, if they are the same as my coach. The after market units are quite a bit smaller 6 inches on the outside and double in height. 

 

To answer your question about chasing the coach in the wind. First off the Koni or Bilstines shocks will do little here. The Koni will improve ride and some handling characteristics. There are no Pioneer components to aid the handling of the air coaches that I am aware of. All of that said two items come to mind. One is a valve made by Source Engineering in Eugene, Oregon that when vertically placed in each air line above each bag it restricts the air flow exiting the bag which in turn helps control sway. Turning and wind will affect sway and how much you feel the need to chase it. 

 

The second component is Safe-T-Plus available from  Steer Safe  in Demming, New Mexico. It is a huge double acting shock installed on the cross tierod of the steering componetry to help minimize the chase time. It also has significant benifit if a flat tite or a blow out occures which is how it is advertised. Cost is in the 5 to 700 dollar range with brackets and all to install. It is user friendly.

 

The Cadillac of these devises is a Blue Ox True center. It is an electro mechanical device that is smart and is designed to aid control in the wind. It is a bit more pricey, in excess of a 1,000 dollars and I understand it is the best at what it is designed to do what it does.

 

Like you I have the same issues. I have not pulled the trigger on the latter components as I am still reying to solve an unequal filling of the air bags in front. First it is one side and then it is the other. Until I have another like coach ro aid in understanding the problem and determine its solution, then I can not install the Source valves either. 

 

Hope this helps,

 

Bill Edwards

1999 455 Contintal Panther

2001 Zanzibar  FS  

 

 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 6:11 PM, "Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I have been following this thread and learned a lot about RV shock choices. my question is how do I know what ride my Safari Continental has? it has two air bags on each axle totaling eight. the ride is ok but hard to keep on the road in wind and passing big rigs.
Thank you for suggestions.
Danny



On April 28, 2017, at 18:07, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Dave.

 

When I was conversing with Ralph and doing the upgrades he told me point blank to switch the front shock mounts left to right. That said I too would convey that message to you having a later coach and switching to Koni.. My Z has a stellar ride and handles great. By the way I did not set my shocks to full hard and it is just fine.

 

Bill Edwards

2001 Zanzibar &

1999 Panther

redundancy in spades!

 

 

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:30 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

John

 

  I’m taking you advice sending them back today and getting the right ones.

   Thanks again for all you advice

Dave

2002 safari Zanaibar

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

They lied to you, as the 1490s have a stroke of 7.8 inches and the 1641s have a stroke of 7.2 inches.

This will not be an issue, as many Safari owners, including myself, are using the 1641s on our coaches. This sock was extensively researched and real life roadtested by the late Ralph Andrews (RIP). Ralph was an engineer who founded and owned Pioneer Metal Works, and was key in engineering various products to improve handling and ride quality for our Safari coaches. Way back before Ralph discovered the 1641 shocks, he actually designed a quad shock adapter for the 1490s because they were so inadequate. I can't drive the point hard enough that you will not be happy with the 1490s, you need to return them, even if it costs you extra shipping. Three hundred dollars is a lot of money to spend on shocks that won't do the job, so please do yourself a favor and order the 88-1641 shocks.

Since the extended length on the 1641s are a bit shorter, if you find that on rare occasions that the top out on extension, you can always opt to remove the top shock mounts and flipping them upside down. Note: you will need to mount them on opposite sides for this to work, as in the right mount gets flipped and put on the left side, and vice versa for the left to the right. This drops the mount about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, which will be just about exact for the 1641s shorter extended length.

The roads I travel in the new england area are pretty brutal, with terrible bridge transitions, I have had only one very extreme occasion were I felt the shocks top out lightly when the coach got bounced up real hard.

I don't know if you are aware, but these shocks are adjustable, they come set from the factory with the least dampening set. If you travel rough roads often, I suggest you set them to the maximum dampening right from the get go.

A suggestion for returning, who ever you bought them from, just ask to return them only saying that they are the wrong ones, if they ask or claim that this is the right application, bs them and tell them that you coach had a special modification, requiring the 1641 shock, and that you just found out about it. Do what ever it takes to return them and get your money back and/or exchange for the ones you need.

If you have more questions, you can send me a PM.

Good luck.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:04 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

John

 

I did order the 88-1490 SP2 I just call Koni and they said the 88-1641 SP3 where 1 ½ inches shorter and where on recommended  for my 2002 safari Zanzabar

 

What are your thoughts

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:48 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

Which Koni shocks did you buy for the front, the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???

If you bought the 88-1490, do yourself a favor and return them, as you will have spent a lot of money and will be unhappy. They do not have nearly enough dampening as the 88-1641s.

Are you at 24 inches at all four corners???

I can not tell you if adjustment is easy, as I have never needed an adjustment. Many have done it themselves, but it seems like it involves some elbow grease and air tools.

Look in the files section, there should be a detail write up on how to do this.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

 

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:50 PM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

John

 

Thanks

I did buy shocks for the front Koni’s the other day have not put them on yet. Waiting to get more money to buy for the rear. Also my ride height is only 24” so I need to work on that also. Is that a hard job?

 

Thanks

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:57 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

I personally like the VelvetRide and am happy with it. Early and mid nineties there were little to none failure rates. From about '99 to '01 there were some failures, especially on the Zanzibar and Panther models, probably due to additional weight. The suspension is very simple and low maintenance. Like Brett stated, proper ride height is important.

I did have a clearance issue on my coach that Brett helped me resolve about 3 years ago.

There were bolts sticking out just far enough for the torsion tubes to catch them, allowing only about 1.5 inches of downward travel. This caused a very harsh, loud, and painful bottoming out on any dips and poor bridge transitions. It appears that wrong bolts were installed wrong right from the factory (to long, but could have faced the other way to compensate the wrong length) and this issue was chased for many years, because it is very hard to notice unless you happen to know what to look for. Solving the problem was just a matter of cutting the tips of the bolts off and all of a sudden the coach became a velvet ride like the name claims. If you have similar issues, do a search for "clearance issues" and you will find my write up with photos showing the issue.

If you don't have them already, Koni shocks will give you the best ride for the type of suspension you have.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i-2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-2440566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

If your coach does not have the Tiger Trak bars and radius bars made by Pioneer Metal Works, you might want to consider getting them, as they will improve stability and handling.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



John

Mine has the velvet ride what are your thoughts on it

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 32954 From: TD Date: 5/3/2017
Subject: Re: Safari [1 Attachment]
Joe,

Danny being a CAT mechanic can answer this question with a lot more expertise. That said, from observing this group, CAT computer failures seem extremely rare. When issues do turn up, they most often turn out to be problems with the wiring harness that connects the computer to the engine. Loosening of the harness plug and corrosion are the common cause when those rare issues come up.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:57 PM, burch1945@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from burch1945@... included below]

Danny,

I purchased back in January a 1996 Sahara with a 3126 Cat engine with 80,000 miles.   It had obviously been neglected. I am going through a list of repair items, new radiator, new brakes, new ac compressor, etc.   Do I need to worry about the computer card on the engine.  Should I get another one as a spare just in case of a problem with it.?  Or is this an unnecessary expenditure.  As I said the engine runs fine.

thanks

Joe
St Augustine

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 11:39 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Thank you John and Ed,
   My Safari is a 2000 with a Cat 3126.  it has not been out for about 8 months now. I pulled Tue radiator to clean the cores on the outside as well as the intercooler; both were clogged causing fit to want to run hot. what a pain in the bottom side that was. I took the time to replace the thermostats and air filter. Another pain to get at. I have not taken it out for a test drive; since changing the air filter however the cooling issue is resolved. Loss of power due to clogged air filter is what I hope was the issue. I had surgery so taking it on the road has to wait.
I will be trying some of the inputs on sway control you both shared. Our Safari does seem like it should handle better. passing a big rig or windy days sure make for a tiring drive at the end of the day.
  Adding some of your suggestions is not an issue for me. I am certified Caterpillar and automotive mechanic and have a nice workshop I keep the Safari in.
   Thank you for what is good advice. I will be putting it to good use.

Danny Gremes
2000 Safari Continental



On April 30, 2017, at 17:50, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


 

Danny,

 

Back to your note on the 28th Sorry I was not timely on a replay as I was out of town. But here is my take. I have a 99 Safari Continental Panther. It too has an 8 bag setup. I would suggest that 4 bags support one axel and 4 the other. These bags are about 10 inches in diameter and 9 inches tall, if they are the same as my coach. The after market units are quite a bit smaller 6 inches on the outside and double in height. 

 

To answer your question about chasing the coach in the wind. First off the Koni or Bilstines shocks will do little here. The Koni will improve ride and some handling characteristics. There are no Pioneer components to aid the handling of the air coaches that I am aware of. All of that said two items come to mind. One is a valve made by Source Engineering in Eugene, Oregon that when vertically placed in each air line above each bag it restricts the air flow exiting the bag which in turn helps control sway. Turning and wind will affect sway and how much you feel the need to chase it. 

 

The second component is Safe-T-Plus available from  Steer Safe  in Demming, New Mexico. It is a huge double acting shock installed on the cross tierod of the steering componetry to help minimize the chase time. It also has significant benifit if a flat tite or a blow out occures which is how it is advertised. Cost is in the 5 to 700 dollar range with brackets and all to install. It is user friendly.

 

The Cadillac of these devises is a Blue Ox True center. It is an electro mechanical device that is smart and is designed to aid control in the wind. It is a bit more pricey, in excess of a 1,000 dollars and I understand it is the best at what it is designed to do what it does.

 

Like you I have the same issues. I have not pulled the trigger on the latter components as I am still reying to solve an unequal filling of the air bags in front. First it is one side and then it is the other. Until I have another like coach ro aid in understanding the problem and determine its solution, then I can not install the Source valves either. 

 

Hope this helps,

 

Bill Edwards

1999 455 Contintal Panther

2001 Zanzibar  FS  

 

 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 6:11 PM, "Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

 

I have been following this thread and learned a lot about RV shock choices. my question is how do I know what ride my Safari Continental has? it has two air bags on each axle totaling eight. the ride is ok but hard to keep on the road in wind and passing big rigs.
Thank you for suggestions.
Danny



On April 28, 2017, at 18:07, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


 

Dave.

 

When I was conversing with Ralph and doing the upgrades he told me point blank to switch the front shock mounts left to right. That said I too would convey that message to you having a later coach and switching to Koni.. My Z has a stellar ride and handles great. By the way I did not set my shocks to full hard and it is just fine.

 

Bill Edwards

2001 Zanzibar &

1999 Panther

redundancy in spades!

 

 

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:30 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

 

John

 

  I’m taking you advice sending them back today and getting the right ones.

   Thanks again for all you advice

Dave

2002 safari Zanaibar

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

They lied to you, as the 1490s have a stroke of 7.8 inches and the 1641s have a stroke of 7.2 inches.

This will not be an issue, as many Safari owners, including myself, are using the 1641s on our coaches. This sock was extensively researched and real life roadtested by the late Ralph Andrews (RIP). Ralph was an engineer who founded and owned Pioneer Metal Works, and was key in engineering various products to improve handling and ride quality for our Safari coaches. Way back before Ralph discovered the 1641 shocks, he actually designed a quad shock adapter for the 1490s because they were so inadequate. I can't drive the point hard enough that you will not be happy with the 1490s, you need to return them, even if it costs you extra shipping. Three hundred dollars is a lot of money to spend on shocks that won't do the job, so please do yourself a favor and order the 88-1641 shocks.

Since the extended length on the 1641s are a bit shorter, if you find that on rare occasions that the top out on extension, you can always opt to remove the top shock mounts and flipping them upside down. Note: you will need to mount them on opposite sides for this to work, as in the right mount gets flipped and put on the left side, and vice versa for the left to the right. This drops the mount about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, which will be just about exact for the 1641s shorter extended length.

The roads I travel in the new england area are pretty brutal, with terrible bridge transitions, I have had only one very extreme occasion were I felt the shocks top out lightly when the coach got bounced up real hard.

I don't know if you are aware, but these shocks are adjustable, they come set from the factory with the least dampening set. If you travel rough roads often, I suggest you set them to the maximum dampening right from the get go.

A suggestion for returning, who ever you bought them from, just ask to return them only saying that they are the wrong ones, if they ask or claim that this is the right application, bs them and tell them that you coach had a special modification, requiring the 1641 shock, and that you just found out about it. Do what ever it takes to return them and get your money back and/or exchange for the ones you need.

If you have more questions, you can send me a PM.

Good luck.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:04 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

John

 

I did order the 88-1490 SP2 I just call Koni and they said the 88-1641 SP3 where 1 ½ inches shorter and where on recommended  for my 2002 safari Zanzabar

 

What are your thoughts

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:48 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

Which Koni shocks did you buy for the front, the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???

If you bought the 88-1490, do yourself a favor and return them, as you will have spent a lot of money and will be unhappy. They do not have nearly enough dampening as the 88-1641s.

Are you at 24 inches at all four corners???

I can not tell you if adjustment is easy, as I have never needed an adjustment. Many have done it themselves, but it seems like it involves some elbow grease and air tools.

Look in the files section, there should be a detail write up on how to do this.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

 

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:50 PM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

John

 

Thanks

I did buy shocks for the front Koni’s the other day have not put them on yet. Waiting to get more money to buy for the rear. Also my ride height is only 24” so I need to work on that also. Is that a hard job?

 

Thanks

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:57 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

I personally like the VelvetRide and am happy with it. Early and mid nineties there were little to none failure rates. From about '99 to '01 there were some failures, especially on the Zanzibar and Panther models, probably due to additional weight. The suspension is very simple and low maintenance. Like Brett stated, proper ride height is important.

I did have a clearance issue on my coach that Brett helped me resolve about 3 years ago.

There were bolts sticking out just far enough for the torsion tubes to catch them, allowing only about 1.5 inches of downward travel. This caused a very harsh, loud, and painful bottoming out on any dips and poor bridge transitions. It appears that wrong bolts were installed wrong right from the factory (to long, but could have faced the other way to compensate the wrong length) and this issue was chased for many years, because it is very hard to notice unless you happen to know what to look for. Solving the problem was just a matter of cutting the tips of the bolts off and all of a sudden the coach became a velvet ride like the name claims. If you have similar issues, do a search for "clearance issues" and you will find my write up with photos showing the issue.

If you don't have them already, Koni shocks will give you the best ride for the type of suspension you have.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/ i-2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i- 2440566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

If your coach does not have the Tiger Trak bars and radius bars made by Pioneer Metal Works, you might want to consider getting them, as they will improve stability and handling.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:



John

Mine has the velvet ride what are your thoughts on it

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




Group: Safarifriends Message: 32956 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 5/3/2017
Subject: Re: Safari
Just for info, a new computer for Cat 3126 installed is $3000.  I know because I had to buy one. It failed dead sitting in a parking lot. Either it was just time or it was because there was a loose connection on the starting batteries. In any case, I will never let that happen again. I understand there is a place in Texas that rebuilds them. Also, Cat will ask for more money if you want to keep the bad one.  Pete, '99 Sahara, 30'.


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:26:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

Joe,

Danny being a CAT mechanic can answer this question with a lot more expertise. That said, from observing this group, CAT computer failures seem extremely rare. When issues do turn up, they most often turn out to be problems with the wiring harness that connects the computer to the engine. Loosening of the harness plug and corrosion are the common cause when those rare issues come up.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:57 PM, burch1945@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from burch1945@... included below]

Danny,

I purchased back in January a 1996 Sahara with a 3126 Cat engine with 80,000 miles.   It had obviously been neglected. I am going through a list of repair items, new radiator, new brakes, new ac compressor, etc.   Do I need to worry about the computer card on the engine.  Should I get another one as a spare just in case of a problem with it.?  Or is this an unnecessary expenditure.  As I said the engine runs fine.

thanks

Joe
St Augustine

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 11:39 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Thank you John and Ed,
   My Safari is a 2000 with a Cat 3126.  it has not been out for about 8 months now. I pulled Tue radiator to clean the cores on the outside as well as the intercooler; both were clogged causing fit to want to run hot. what a pain in the bottom side that was. I took the time to replace the thermostats and air filter. Another pain to get at. I have not taken it out for a test drive; since changing the air filter however the cooling issue is resolved. Loss of power due to clogged air filter is what I hope was the issue. I had surgery so taking it on the road has to wait.
I will be trying some of the inputs on sway control you both shared. Our Safari does seem like it should handle better. passing a big rig or windy days sure make for a tiring drive at the end of the day.
  Adding some of your suggestions is not an issue for me. I am certified Caterpillar and automotive mechanic and have a nice workshop I keep the Safari in.
   Thank you for what is good advice. I will be putting it to good use.

Danny Gremes
2000 Safari Continental



On April 30, 2017, at 17:50, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Danny,

 

Back to your note on the 28th Sorry I was not timely on a replay as I was out of town. But here is my take. I have a 99 Safari Continental Panther. It too has an 8 bag setup. I would suggest that 4 bags support one axel and 4 the other. These bags are about 10 inches in diameter and 9 inches tall, if they are the same as my coach. The after market units are quite a bit smaller 6 inches on the outside and double in height. 

 

To answer your question about chasing the coach in the wind. First off the Koni or Bilstines shocks will do little here. The Koni will improve ride and some handling characteristics. There are no Pioneer components to aid the handling of the air coaches that I am aware of. All of that said two items come to mind. One is a valve made by Source Engineering in Eugene, Oregon that when vertically placed in each air line above each bag it restricts the air flow exiting the bag which in turn helps control sway. Turning and wind will affect sway and how much you feel the need to chase it. 

 

The second component is Safe-T-Plus available from  Steer Safe  in Demming, New Mexico. It is a huge double acting shock installed on the cross tierod of the steering componetry to help minimize the chase time. It also has significant benifit if a flat tite or a blow out occures which is how it is advertised. Cost is in the 5 to 700 dollar range with brackets and all to install. It is user friendly.

 

The Cadillac of these devises is a Blue Ox True center. It is an electro mechanical device that is smart and is designed to aid control in the wind. It is a bit more pricey, in excess of a 1,000 dollars and I understand it is the best at what it is designed to do what it does.

 

Like you I have the same issues. I have not pulled the trigger on the latter components as I am still reying to solve an unequal filling of the air bags in front. First it is one side and then it is the other. Until I have another like coach ro aid in understanding the problem and determine its solution, then I can not install the Source valves either. 

 

Hope this helps,

 

Bill Edwards

1999 455 Contintal Panther

2001 Zanzibar  FS  

 

 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 6:11 PM, "Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I have been following this thread and learned a lot about RV shock choices. my question is how do I know what ride my Safari Continental has? it has two air bags on each axle totaling eight. the ride is ok but hard to keep on the road in wind and passing big rigs.
Thank you for suggestions.
Danny



On April 28, 2017, at 18:07, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Dave.

 

When I was conversing with Ralph and doing the upgrades he told me point blank to switch the front shock mounts left to right. That said I too would convey that message to you having a later coach and switching to Koni.. My Z has a stellar ride and handles great. By the way I did not set my shocks to full hard and it is just fine.

 

Bill Edwards

2001 Zanzibar &

1999 Panther

redundancy in spades!

 

 

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:30 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

John

 

  I’m taking you advice sending them back today and getting the right ones.

   Thanks again for all you advice

Dave

2002 safari Zanaibar

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

They lied to you, as the 1490s have a stroke of 7.8 inches and the 1641s have a stroke of 7.2 inches.

This will not be an issue, as many Safari owners, including myself, are using the 1641s on our coaches. This sock was extensively researched and real life roadtested by the late Ralph Andrews (RIP). Ralph was an engineer who founded and owned Pioneer Metal Works, and was key in engineering various products to improve handling and ride quality for our Safari coaches. Way back before Ralph discovered the 1641 shocks, he actually designed a quad shock adapter for the 1490s because they were so inadequate. I can't drive the point hard enough that you will not be happy with the 1490s, you need to return them, even if it costs you extra shipping. Three hundred dollars is a lot of money to spend on shocks that won't do the job, so please do yourself a favor and order the 88-1641 shocks.

Since the extended length on the 1641s are a bit shorter, if you find that on rare occasions that the top out on extension, you can always opt to remove the top shock mounts and flipping them upside down. Note: you will need to mount them on opposite sides for this to work, as in the right mount gets flipped and put on the left side, and vice versa for the left to the right. This drops the mount about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, which will be just about exact for the 1641s shorter extended length.

The roads I travel in the new england area are pretty brutal, with terrible bridge transitions, I have had only one very extreme occasion were I felt the shocks top out lightly when the coach got bounced up real hard.

I don't know if you are aware, but these shocks are adjustable, they come set from the factory with the least dampening set. If you travel rough roads often, I suggest you set them to the maximum dampening right from the get go.

A suggestion for returning, who ever you bought them from, just ask to return them only saying that they are the wrong ones, if they ask or claim that this is the right application, bs them and tell them that you coach had a special modification, requiring the 1641 shock, and that you just found out about it. Do what ever it takes to return them and get your money back and/or exchange for the ones you need.

If you have more questions, you can send me a PM.

Good luck.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:04 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

John

 

I did order the 88-1490 SP2 I just call Koni and they said the 88-1641 SP3 where 1 ½ inches shorter and where on recommended  for my 2002 safari Zanzabar

 

What are your thoughts

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:48 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

Which Koni shocks did you buy for the front, the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???

If you bought the 88-1490, do yourself a favor and return them, as you will have spent a lot of money and will be unhappy. They do not have nearly enough dampening as the 88-1641s.

Are you at 24 inches at all four corners???

I can not tell you if adjustment is easy, as I have never needed an adjustment. Many have done it themselves, but it seems like it involves some elbow grease and air tools.

Look in the files section, there should be a detail write up on how to do this.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

 

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:50 PM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

John

 

Thanks

I did buy shocks for the front Koni’s the other day have not put them on yet. Waiting to get more money to buy for the rear. Also my ride height is only 24” so I need to work on that also. Is that a hard job?

 

Thanks

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:57 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

I personally like the VelvetRide and am happy with it. Early and mid nineties there were little to none failure rates. From about '99 to '01 there were some failures, especially on the Zanzibar and Panther models, probably due to additional weight. The suspension is very simple and low maintenance. Like Brett stated, proper ride height is important.

I did have a clearance issue on my coach that Brett helped me resolve about 3 years ago.

There were bolts sticking out just far enough for the torsion tubes to catch them, allowing only about 1.5 inches of downward travel. This caused a very harsh, loud, and painful bottoming out on any dips and poor bridge transitions. It appears that wrong bolts were installed wrong right from the factory (to long, but could have faced the other way to compensate the wrong length) and this issue was chased for many years, because it is very hard to notice unless you happen to know what to look for. Solving the problem was just a matter of cutting the tips of the bolts off and all of a sudden the coach became a velvet ride like the name claims. If you have similar issues, do a search for "clearance issues" and you will find my write up with photos showing the issue.

If you don't have them already, Koni shocks will give you the best ride for the type of suspension you have.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i-2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-2440566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

If your coach does not have the Tiger Trak bars and radius bars made by Pioneer Metal Works, you might want to consider getting them, as they will improve stability and handling.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



John

Mine has the velvet ride what are your thoughts on it

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




Group: Safarifriends Message: 32960 From: Danny Date: 5/3/2017
Subject: Re: Safari [1 Attachment]

Joe,

       I would say the card is fine as the engine runs fine. The computer systems have come along way since first introduced. like any computer issues could be a problem at anytime. I would run with the one you have keeping your cost to repair down. you could spend money for a card that sits for years and never need.
      Those are my thoughts on that. And the best on getting your Safari into lasting condition. This site is full of great people with knowledge to help any issue that come up.

Danny



On May 2, 2017, at 21:58, "burch1945@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Danny,

I purchased back in January a 1996 Sahara with a 3126 Cat engine with 80,000 miles.   It had obviously been neglected. I am going through a list of repair items, new radiator, new brakes, new ac compressor, etc.   Do I need to worry about the computer card on the engine.  Should I get another one as a spare just in case of a problem with it.?  Or is this an unnecessary expenditure.  As I said the engine runs fine.

thanks

Joe
St Augustine

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 11:39 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Thank you John and Ed,
   My Safari is a 2000 with a Cat 3126.  it has not been out for about 8 months now. I pulled Tue radiator to clean the cores on the outside as well as the intercooler; both were clogged causing fit to want to run hot. what a pain in the bottom side that was. I took the time to replace the thermostats and air filter. Another pain to get at. I have not taken it out for a test drive; since changing the air filter however the cooling issue is resolved. Loss of power due to clogged air filter is what I hope was the issue. I had surgery so taking it on the road has to wait.
I will be trying some of the inputs on sway control you both shared. Our Safari does seem like it should handle better. passing a big rig or windy days sure make for a tiring drive at the end of the day.
  Adding some of your suggestions is not an issue for me. I am certified Caterpillar and automotive mechanic and have a nice workshop I keep the Safari in.
   Thank you for what is good advice. I will be putting it to good use.

Danny Gremes
2000 Safari Continental



On April 30, 2017, at 17:50, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Danny,

 

Back to your note on the 28th Sorry I was not timely on a replay as I was out of town. But here is my take. I have a 99 Safari Continental Panther. It too has an 8 bag setup. I would suggest that 4 bags support one axel and 4 the other. These bags are about 10 inches in diameter and 9 inches tall, if they are the same as my coach. The after market units are quite a bit smaller 6 inches on the outside and double in height. 

 

To answer your question about chasing the coach in the wind. First off the Koni or Bilstines shocks will do little here. The Koni will improve ride and some handling characteristics. There are no Pioneer components to aid the handling of the air coaches that I am aware of. All of that said two items come to mind. One is a valve made by Source Engineering in Eugene, Oregon that when vertically placed in each air line above each bag it restricts the air flow exiting the bag which in turn helps control sway. Turning and wind will affect sway and how much you feel the need to chase it. 

 

The second component is Safe-T-Plus available from  Steer Safe  in Demming, New Mexico. It is a huge double acting shock installed on the cross tierod of the steering componetry to help minimize the chase time. It also has significant benifit if a flat tite or a blow out occures which is how it is advertised. Cost is in the 5 to 700 dollar range with brackets and all to install. It is user friendly.

 

The Cadillac of these devises is a Blue Ox True center. It is an electro mechanical device that is smart and is designed to aid control in the wind. It is a bit more pricey, in excess of a 1,000 dollars and I understand it is the best at what it is designed to do what it does.

 

Like you I have the same issues. I have not pulled the trigger on the latter components as I am still reying to solve an unequal filling of the air bags in front. First it is one side and then it is the other. Until I have another like coach ro aid in understanding the problem and determine its solution, then I can not install the Source valves either. 

 

Hope this helps,

 

Bill Edwards

1999 455 Contintal Panther

2001 Zanzibar  FS  

 

 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 6:11 PM, "Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I have been following this thread and learned a lot about RV shock choices. my question is how do I know what ride my Safari Continental has? it has two air bags on each axle totaling eight. the ride is ok but hard to keep on the road in wind and passing big rigs.
Thank you for suggestions.
Danny



On April 28, 2017, at 18:07, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Dave.

 

When I was conversing with Ralph and doing the upgrades he told me point blank to switch the front shock mounts left to right. That said I too would convey that message to you having a later coach and switching to Koni.. My Z has a stellar ride and handles great. By the way I did not set my shocks to full hard and it is just fine.

 

Bill Edwards

2001 Zanzibar &

1999 Panther

redundancy in spades!

 

 

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:30 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

John

 

  I’m taking you advice sending them back today and getting the right ones.

   Thanks again for all you advice

Dave

2002 safari Zanaibar

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

They lied to you, as the 1490s have a stroke of 7.8 inches and the 1641s have a stroke of 7.2 inches.

This will not be an issue, as many Safari owners, including myself, are using the 1641s on our coaches. This sock was extensively researched and real life roadtested by the late Ralph Andrews (RIP). Ralph was an engineer who founded and owned Pioneer Metal Works, and was key in engineering various products to improve handling and ride quality for our Safari coaches. Way back before Ralph discovered the 1641 shocks, he actually designed a quad shock adapter for the 1490s because they were so inadequate. I can't drive the point hard enough that you will not be happy with the 1490s, you need to return them, even if it costs you extra shipping. Three hundred dollars is a lot of money to spend on shocks that won't do the job, so please do yourself a favor and order the 88-1641 shocks.

Since the extended length on the 1641s are a bit shorter, if you find that on rare occasions that the top out on extension, you can always opt to remove the top shock mounts and flipping them upside down. Note: you will need to mount them on opposite sides for this to work, as in the right mount gets flipped and put on the left side, and vice versa for the left to the right. This drops the mount about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, which will be just about exact for the 1641s shorter extended length.

The roads I travel in the new england area are pretty brutal, with terrible bridge transitions, I have had only one very extreme occasion were I felt the shocks top out lightly when the coach got bounced up real hard.

I don't know if you are aware, but these shocks are adjustable, they come set from the factory with the least dampening set. If you travel rough roads often, I suggest you set them to the maximum dampening right from the get go.

A suggestion for returning, who ever you bought them from, just ask to return them only saying that they are the wrong ones, if they ask or claim that this is the right application, bs them and tell them that you coach had a special modification, requiring the 1641 shock, and that you just found out about it. Do what ever it takes to return them and get your money back and/or exchange for the ones you need.

If you have more questions, you can send me a PM.

Good luck.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:04 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

John

 

I did order the 88-1490 SP2 I just call Koni and they said the 88-1641 SP3 where 1 ½ inches shorter and where on recommended  for my 2002 safari Zanzabar

 

What are your thoughts

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:48 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

Which Koni shocks did you buy for the front, the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???

If you bought the 88-1490, do yourself a favor and return them, as you will have spent a lot of money and will be unhappy. They do not have nearly enough dampening as the 88-1641s.

Are you at 24 inches at all four corners???

I can not tell you if adjustment is easy, as I have never needed an adjustment. Many have done it themselves, but it seems like it involves some elbow grease and air tools.

Look in the files section, there should be a detail write up on how to do this.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

 

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:50 PM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

John

 

Thanks

I did buy shocks for the front Koni’s the other day have not put them on yet. Waiting to get more money to buy for the rear. Also my ride height is only 24” so I need to work on that also. Is that a hard job?

 

Thanks

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:57 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari

 

 

Dave,

I personally like the VelvetRide and am happy with it. Early and mid nineties there were little to none failure rates. From about '99 to '01 there were some failures, especially on the Zanzibar and Panther models, probably due to additional weight. The suspension is very simple and low maintenance. Like Brett stated, proper ride height is important.

I did have a clearance issue on my coach that Brett helped me resolve about 3 years ago.

There were bolts sticking out just far enough for the torsion tubes to catch them, allowing only about 1.5 inches of downward travel. This caused a very harsh, loud, and painful bottoming out on any dips and poor bridge transitions. It appears that wrong bolts were installed wrong right from the factory (to long, but could have faced the other way to compensate the wrong length) and this issue was chased for many years, because it is very hard to notice unless you happen to know what to look for. Solving the problem was just a matter of cutting the tips of the bolts off and all of a sudden the coach became a velvet ride like the name claims. If you have similar issues, do a search for "clearance issues" and you will find my write up with photos showing the issue.

If you don't have them already, Koni shocks will give you the best ride for the type of suspension you have.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i-2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-2440566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

If your coach does not have the Tiger Trak bars and radius bars made by Pioneer Metal Works, you might want to consider getting them, as they will improve stability and handling.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



John

Mine has the velvet ride what are your thoughts on it

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 32962 From: Bill Edwards Date: 5/4/2017
Subject: Re: Safari
Danny call Dave Atherton and pose the question. It will be an education and he will save you many hours of worry and save you money.

Bill Edwards
1999 Panther


On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 5:52 PM, "Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Joe,
       I would say the card is fine as the engine runs fine. The computer systems have come along way since first introduced. like any computer issues could be a problem at anytime. I would run with the one you have keeping your cost to repair down. you could spend money for a card that sits for years and never need.
      Those are my thoughts on that. And the best on getting your Safari into lasting condition. This site is full of great people with knowledge to help any issue that come up.
Danny


On May 2, 2017, at 21:58, "burch1945@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Danny,
I purchased back in January a 1996 Sahara with a 3126 Cat engine with 80,000 miles.   It had obviously been neglected. I am going through a list of repair items, new radiator, new brakes, new ac compressor, etc.   Do I need to worry about the computer card on the engine.  Should I get another one as a spare just in case of a problem with it.?  Or is this an unnecessary expenditure.  As I said the engine runs fine.
thanks
Joe
St Augustine
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 11:39 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari
 
 
Thank you John and Ed,
   My Safari is a 2000 with a Cat 3126.  it has not been out for about 8 months now. I pulled Tue radiator to clean the cores on the outside as well as the intercooler; both were clogged causing fit to want to run hot. what a pain in the bottom side that was. I took the time to replace the thermostats and air filter. Another pain to get at. I have not taken it out for a test drive; since changing the air filter however the cooling issue is resolved. Loss of power due to clogged air filter is what I hope was the issue. I had surgery so taking it on the road has to wait.
I will be trying some of the inputs on sway control you both shared. Our Safari does seem like it should handle better. passing a big rig or windy days sure make for a tiring drive at the end of the day.
  Adding some of your suggestions is not an issue for me. I am certified Caterpillar and automotive mechanic and have a nice workshop I keep the Safari in.
   Thank you for what is good advice. I will be putting it to good use.
Danny Gremes
2000 Safari Continental


On April 30, 2017, at 17:50, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Danny,
 
Back to your note on the 28th Sorry I was not timely on a replay as I was out of town. But here is my take. I have a 99 Safari Continental Panther. It too has an 8 bag setup. I would suggest that 4 bags support one axel and 4 the other. These bags are about 10 inches in diameter and 9 inches tall, if they are the same as my coach. The after market units are quite a bit smaller 6 inches on the outside and double in height. 
 
To answer your question about chasing the coach in the wind. First off the Koni or Bilstines shocks will do little here. The Koni will improve ride and some handling characteristics. There are no Pioneer components to aid the handling of the air coaches that I am aware of. All of that said two items come to mind. One is a valve made by Source Engineering in Eugene, Oregon that when vertically placed in each air line above each bag it restricts the air flow exiting the bag which in turn helps control sway. Turning and wind will affect sway and how much you feel the need to chase it. 
 
The second component is Safe-T-Plus available from  Steer Safe  in Demming, New Mexico. It is a huge double acting shock installed on the cross tierod of the steering componetry to help minimize the chase time. It also has significant benifit if a flat tite or a blow out occures which is how it is advertised. Cost is in the 5 to 700 dollar range with brackets and all to install. It is user friendly.
 
The Cadillac of these devises is a Blue Ox True center. It is an electro mechanical device that is smart and is designed to aid control in the wind. It is a bit more pricey, in excess of a 1,000 dollars and I understand it is the best at what it is designed to do what it does.
 
Like you I have the same issues. I have not pulled the trigger on the latter components as I am still reying to solve an unequal filling of the air bags in front. First it is one side and then it is the other. Until I have another like coach ro aid in understanding the problem and determine its solution, then I can not install the Source valves either. 
 
Hope this helps,
 
Bill Edwards
1999 455 Contintal Panther
2001 Zanzibar  FS  
 
 
On Friday, April 28, 2017 6:11 PM, "Danny gremessr@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
I have been following this thread and learned a lot about RV shock choices. my question is how do I know what ride my Safari Continental has? it has two air bags on each axle totaling eight. the ride is ok but hard to keep on the road in wind and passing big rigs.
Thank you for suggestions.
Danny


On April 28, 2017, at 18:07, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Dave.
 
When I was conversing with Ralph and doing the upgrades he told me point blank to switch the front shock mounts left to right. That said I too would convey that message to you having a later coach and switching to Koni.. My Z has a stellar ride and handles great. By the way I did not set my shocks to full hard and it is just fine.
 
Bill Edwards
2001 Zanzibar &
1999 Panther
redundancy in spades!
 
 
On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:30 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
John
 
  I’m taking you advice sending them back today and getting the right ones.
   Thanks again for all you advice
Dave
2002 safari Zanaibar
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari
 
 
Dave,
They lied to you, as the 1490s have a stroke of 7.8 inches and the 1641s have a stroke of 7.2 inches.
This will not be an issue, as many Safari owners, including myself, are using the 1641s on our coaches. This sock was extensively researched and real life roadtested by the late Ralph Andrews (RIP). Ralph was an engineer who founded and owned Pioneer Metal Works, and was key in engineering various products to improve handling and ride quality for our Safari coaches. Way back before Ralph discovered the 1641 shocks, he actually designed a quad shock adapter for the 1490s because they were so inadequate. I can't drive the point hard enough that you will not be happy with the 1490s, you need to return them, even if it costs you extra shipping. Three hundred dollars is a lot of money to spend on shocks that won't do the job, so please do yourself a favor and order the 88-1641 shocks.
Since the extended length on the 1641s are a bit shorter, if you find that on rare occasions that the top out on extension, you can always opt to remove the top shock mounts and flipping them upside down. Note: you will need to mount them on opposite sides for this to work, as in the right mount gets flipped and put on the left side, and vice versa for the left to the right. This drops the mount about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, which will be just about exact for the 1641s shorter extended length.
The roads I travel in the new england area are pretty brutal, with terrible bridge transitions, I have had only one very extreme occasion were I felt the shocks top out lightly when the coach got bounced up real hard.
I don't know if you are aware, but these shocks are adjustable, they come set from the factory with the least dampening set. If you travel rough roads often, I suggest you set them to the maximum dampening right from the get go.
A suggestion for returning, who ever you bought them from, just ask to return them only saying that they are the wrong ones, if they ask or claim that this is the right application, bs them and tell them that you coach had a special modification, requiring the 1641 shock, and that you just found out about it. Do what ever it takes to return them and get your money back and/or exchange for the ones you need.
If you have more questions, you can send me a PM.
Good luck.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.
 
On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 10:04 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
John
 
I did order the 88-1490 SP2 I just call Koni and they said the 88-1641 SP3 where 1 ½ inches shorter and where on recommended  for my 2002 safari Zanzabar
 
What are your thoughts
Dave
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:48 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari
 
 
Dave,

Which Koni shocks did you buy for the front, the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
If you bought the 88-1490, do yourself a favor and return them, as you will have spent a lot of money and will be unhappy. They do not have nearly enough dampening as the 88-1641s.
Are you at 24 inches at all four corners???
I can not tell you if adjustment is easy, as I have never needed an adjustment. Many have done it themselves, but it seems like it involves some elbow grease and air tools.
Look in the files section, there should be a detail write up on how to do this.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.
 
 
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:50 PM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
John
 
Thanks
I did buy shocks for the front Koni’s the other day have not put them on yet. Waiting to get more money to buy for the rear. Also my ride height is only 24” so I need to work on that also. Is that a hard job?
 
Thanks
Dave
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:57 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Safari
 
 
Dave,
I personally like the VelvetRide and am happy with it. Early and mid nineties there were little to none failure rates. From about '99 to '01 there were some failures, especially on the Zanzibar and Panther models, probably due to additional weight. The suspension is very simple and low maintenance. Like Brett stated, proper ride height is important.
I did have a clearance issue on my coach that Brett helped me resolve about 3 years ago.
There were bolts sticking out just far enough for the torsion tubes to catch them, allowing only about 1.5 inches of downward travel. This caused a very harsh, loud, and painful bottoming out on any dips and poor bridge transitions. It appears that wrong bolts were installed wrong right from the factory (to long, but could have faced the other way to compensate the wrong length) and this issue was chased for many years, because it is very hard to notice unless you happen to know what to look for. Solving the problem was just a matter of cutting the tips of the bolts off and all of a sudden the coach became a velvet ride like the name claims. If you have similar issues, do a search for "clearance issues" and you will find my write up with photos showing the issue.
If you don't have them already, Koni shocks will give you the best ride for the type of suspension you have.
Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i-2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-2440566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
If your coach does not have the Tiger Trak bars and radius bars made by Pioneer Metal Works, you might want to consider getting them, as they will improve stability and handling.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.
 
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John

Mine has the velvet ride what are your thoughts on it

Dave
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 33009 From: TD Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Larry,

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
Do you have any issues with the coach easily bottoming out with a loud bang up front?
If you yes, you might have some clearance issues like I had on my coach (same year), and I would suggest to do a search on this group for "clearance issues" and you will find a detailed wright up I did and how to resolve it, photos included.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Anyone know what is the best front shock replacement for the 1995 safari serengetti 38 foot?
Thanks,
Larry



Group: Safarifriends Message: 33013 From: Larry Fasnacht Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Thank you they are on back order for 4 months. I will search the internet


On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:47 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Larry,

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
Do you have any issues with the coach easily bottoming out with a loud bang up front?
If you yes, you might have some clearance issues like I had on my coach (same year), and I would suggest to do a search on this group for "clearance issues" and you will find a detailed wright up I did and how to resolve it, photos included.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Anyone know what is the best front shock replacement for the 1995 safari serengetti 38 foot?
Thanks,
Larry



Group: Safarifriends Message: 33014 From: TD Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Larry,

Pioneer Metal Works might have them in stock, but they will probably cost more.

What brand shocks do you have on right now, or at least what color?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thank you they are on back order for 4 months. I will search the internet


On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:47 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
 

Larry,

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
Do you have any issues with the coach easily bottoming out with a loud bang up front?
If you yes, you might have some clearance issues like I had on my coach (same year), and I would suggest to do a search on this group for "clearance issues" and you will find a detailed wright up I did and how to resolve it, photos included.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Anyone know what is the best front shock replacement for the 1995 safari serengetti 38 foot?
Thanks,
Larry






Group: Safarifriends Message: 33015 From: Pete Judd Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Larry I got mine from Ultra RV  Safari Velvet Ride Quick Guide about 150 bucks each with free shipping.


Pete





From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 1995 safari serengetti front shocks

 
Larry,

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
Do you have any issues with the coach easily bottoming out with a loud bang up front?
If you yes, you might have some clearance issues like I had on my coach (same year), and I would suggest to do a search on this group for "clearance issues" and you will find a detailed wright up I did and how to resolve it, photos included.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Anyone know what is the best front shock replacement for the 1995 safari serengetti 38 foot?
Thanks,
Larry





Group: Safarifriends Message: 33016 From: Larry Fasnacht Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Koni orange color 
Just cant read part number

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 5:02 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Larry,

Pioneer Metal Works might have them in stock, but they will probably cost more.

What brand shocks do you have on right now, or at least what color?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thank you they are on back order for 4 months. I will search the internet


 

Larry,

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
Do you have any issues with the coach easily bottoming out with a loud bang up front?
If you yes, you might have some clearance issues like I had on my coach (same year), and I would suggest to do a search on this group for "clearance issues" and you will find a detailed wright up I did and how to resolve it, photos included.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Anyone know what is the best front shock replacement for the 1995 safari serengetti 38 foot?
Thanks,
Larry






Group: Safarifriends Message: 33017 From: Larry Fasnacht Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
I have the same coach. Thank you and have a nice day


On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 5:02 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Larry,

Pioneer Metal Works might have them in stock, but they will probably cost more.

What brand shocks do you have on right now, or at least what color?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thank you they are on back order for 4 months. I will search the internet


 

Larry,

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
Do you have any issues with the coach easily bottoming out with a loud bang up front?
If you yes, you might have some clearance issues like I had on my coach (same year), and I would suggest to do a search on this group for "clearance issues" and you will find a detailed wright up I did and how to resolve it, photos included.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Anyone know what is the best front shock replacement for the 1995 safari serengetti 38 foot?
Thanks,
Larry






Group: Safarifriends Message: 33018 From: TD Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Larry,

The might still be what is called Koni Reds and are likely adjustable. If they are adjustable, try setting them to a higher setting (more dampening). You might not need to get new ones yet.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Koni orange color 
Just cant read part number

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 5:02 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
 

Larry,

Pioneer Metal Works might have them in stock, but they will probably cost more.

What brand shocks do you have on right now, or at least what color?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Thank you they are on back order for 4 months. I will search the internet


 

Larry,

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
Do you have any issues with the coach easily bottoming out with a loud bang up front?
If you yes, you might have some clearance issues like I had on my coach (same year), and I would suggest to do a search on this group for "clearance issues" and you will find a detailed wright up I did and how to resolve it, photos included.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Anyone know what is the best front shock replacement for the 1995 safari serengetti 38 foot?
Thanks,
Larry









Group: Safarifriends Message: 33019 From: Larry Fasnacht Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Thanks they are the originals. So i want to replace. 


On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 5:47 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Larry,

The might still be what is called Koni Reds and are likely adjustable. If they are adjustable, try setting them to a higher setting (more dampening). You might not need to get new ones yet.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Koni orange color 
Just cant read part number

 

Larry,

Pioneer Metal Works might have them in stock, but they will probably cost more.

What brand shocks do you have on right now, or at least what color?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Thank you they are on back order for 4 months. I will search the internet


 

Larry,

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
Do you have any issues with the coach easily bottoming out with a loud bang up front?
If you yes, you might have some clearance issues like I had on my coach (same year), and I would suggest to do a search on this group for "clearance issues" and you will find a detailed wright up I did and how to resolve it, photos included.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Anyone know what is the best front shock replacement for the 1995 safari serengetti 38 foot?
Thanks,
Larry









Group: Safarifriends Message: 33020 From: TD Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
Larry,

Most places on the internet that sell Koni shocks sell/send them factory direct, and thus the 4 month back log. Some sellers actually stock the shocks, like PMW, so if cost is less of an issue than having to wait 4 months, then PMW or the other outfit suggested by Pete would be sources to check.
Good luck, just be sure to order by the part numbers given, not by make/model.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks they are the originals. So i want to replace. 


On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 5:47 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
 

Larry,

The might still be what is called Koni Reds and are likely adjustable. If they are adjustable, try setting them to a higher setting (more dampening). You might not need to get new ones yet.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Koni orange color 
Just cant read part number

 

Larry,

Pioneer Metal Works might have them in stock, but they will probably cost more.

What brand shocks do you have on right now, or at least what color?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Thank you they are on back order for 4 months. I will search the internet


 

Larry,

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
Make sure you order by these part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.
Do you have any issues with the coach easily bottoming out with a loud bang up front?
If you yes, you might have some clearance issues like I had on my coach (same year), and I would suggest to do a search on this group for "clearance issues" and you will find a detailed wright up I did and how to resolve it, photos included.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Larry Fasnacht larry.fasnacht@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Anyone know what is the best front shock replacement for the 1995 safari serengetti 38 foot?
Thanks,
Larry












Group: Safarifriends Message: 33024 From: TD Date: 5/7/2017
Subject: Re: 1995 safari serengetti front shocks
MJ,

The front and rear shocks are the same for the Sahara with leaf spring chassis (EliptiRide) too.
Make sure your order by those shock numbers not by the year and make of coach, otherwise you will get the ineffective set of shocks for the front...

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 7:41 PM, MJ Johnson mjmokiej@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Would the front shock part numbers be the same for a 1995 Sahara?
Thanks
MJ



Group: Safarifriends Message: 33050 From: James McDaniel Date: 5/8/2017
Subject: koni shocks
Does anyone know the Koni  part numbers for a 1999 Safari, Continental Panther 425. 40 Footer.
I would like the adjustable shocks for the front and back. Thank you for your help in advance.

Jim and Kathy
1999 Safari Panther 425
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow
Group: Safarifriends Message: 33051 From: TD Date: 5/8/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
Jim and Kathy,

What suspension do you have on your Panther??? VelvetRide (torsional suspension) or the 8 airbag air suspension?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:29 PM, James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Does anyone know the Koni  part numbers for a 1999 Safari, Continental Panther 425. 40 Footer.
I would like the adjustable shocks for the front and back. Thank you for your help in advance.

Jim and Kathy
1999 Safari Panther 425
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow



Group: Safarifriends Message: 33056 From: looking41234 Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: 2002 Zanzibar ride

We just returned to Michigan from a trip to Florida and I just installed new koni shocks all 4 sides. I still hit very hard when going over bridges and bad bumps. Does anyone know what can be done about the hard hitting going over bridges.


2002 Zanzibar

Valvet Ride


Dave

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33057 From: Dwayne Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: 2002 Zanzibar ride
I drive a large crane without much suspension. There is not much defense against dropped bridge approach slabs. 
Watch the vehicles ahead of you and slow down when you see them dip. 
Most states have online reporting for road hazards. Report them. 

Dwayne
96 safari Sahara
P&H 20 ton crane 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 9, 2017, at 7:02 AM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We just returned to Michigan from a trip to Florida and I just installed new koni shocks all 4 sides. I still hit very hard when going over bridges and bad bumps. Does anyone know what can be done about the hard hitting going over bridges.


2002 Zanzibar

Valvet Ride


Dave

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33058 From: James McDaniel Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
Hi John,

I have the 8 air bag suspension.


On Monday, May 8, 2017 8:40 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Jim and Kathy,

What suspension do you have on your Panther??? VelvetRide (torsional suspension) or the 8 airbag air suspension?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:29 PM, James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Does anyone know the Koni  part numbers for a 1999 Safari, Continental Panther 425. 40 Footer.
I would like the adjustable shocks for the front and back. Thank you for your help in advance.

Jim and Kathy
1999 Safari Panther 425
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow





Group: Safarifriends Message: 33064 From: TD Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: 2002 Zanzibar ride
Dave,

What is your ride height (measure at each wheel, from the belt line to the center of the wheel. Post the measurements you get at each wheel)???

If I remember correctly, you mentioned that your ride height was at least an inch below specs, this will definitely be a big contributor to your bottoming out issues.

Also, you need to search this site for "clearance issues", look at that write up and the photos in the attachment section and then check your front suspension for potential clearance issues. Also look at the top of your square torsion tubes, in the area where the rubber bump stops would come in contact when you bottom out. If the bump stops are hitting often, you will see a very visible imprint on the torsion tubes (front ones).

Also, have you weighed the coach, if yes, are you running tire pressures according to the weight of your axles???

If you have more questions, send me a private message, and I will give you my number.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


We just returned to Michigan from a trip to Florida and I just installed new koni shocks all 4 sides. I still hit very hard when going over bridges and bad bumps. Does anyone know what can be done about the hard hitting going over bridges.


2002 Zanzibar

Valvet Ride


Dave




Group: Safarifriends Message: 33067 From: Dog Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: 2002 Zanzibar ride

John

What is the best way to weight the coach?

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 3:40 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] 2002 Zanzibar ride

 

 

Dave,

What is your ride height (measure at each wheel, from the belt line to the center of the wheel. Post the measurements you get at each wheel)???

If I remember correctly, you mentioned that your ride height was at least an inch below specs, this will definitely be a big contributor to your bottoming out issues.

Also, you need to search this site for "clearance issues", look at that write up and the photos in the attachment section and then check your front suspension for potential clearance issues. Also look at the top of your square torsion tubes, in the area where the rubber bump stops would come in contact when you bottom out. If the bump stops are hitting often, you will see a very visible imprint on the torsion tubes (front ones).

Also, have you weighed the coach, if yes, are you running tire pressures according to the weight of your axles???

 

If you have more questions, send me a private message, and I will give you my number.

 John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We just returned to Michigan from a trip to Florida and I just installed new koni shocks all 4 sides. I still hit very hard when going over bridges and bad bumps. Does anyone know what can be done about the hard hitting going over bridges.

 

2002 Zanzibar

Valvet Ride

 

Dave

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33069 From: TD Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
Jim,

I am working on getting some numbers for you, as they are different than what is used on the VelvetRide and leaf spring suspensions.
Koni only lists the FSD model shocks, which are not adjustable.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM, James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John,

I have the 8 air bag suspension.


On Monday, May 8, 2017 8:40 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


 
Jim and Kathy,

What suspension do you have on your Panther??? VelvetRide (torsional suspension) or the 8 airbag air suspension?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:29 PM, James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Does anyone know the Koni  part numbers for a 1999 Safari, Continental Panther 425. 40 Footer.
I would like the adjustable shocks for the front and back. Thank you for your help in advance.

Jim and Kathy
1999 Safari Panther 425
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow








Group: Safarifriends Message: 33072 From: TD Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
Jim,

After a lot of digging I finally dug up the shock numbers for your air ride coach.

If you want the Koni Reds that are adjustable, the part number is:
88-1458SP2 [front and rear] there is also an 88-1458SP1 that is identical (except for slight difference in dampening), the latter will give you a somewhat smoother ride as far as the small jarring bumps go, but at a small sacrifice of less dampening on rebound. Looking at their numbers the dampening on rebound is not that much different, between the SP1 and SP2, but there is much less dampening on the SP1 on the downward stroke, and this is what gives you a much smother ride with the annoying jarring bumps.

So you decide what your driving needs are, either will fit and work.

If you want to go with the Koni FSD (road sensing/non adjustable) shocks the part numbers are:

Front: 8805-1004SP1

Rear:  8805-1005SP1

Note: the FSD part numbers are different, but same shock, just slightly different dampening. Also, the FSD shocks are about $45 per shock more then the adjustable Reds.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM, James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John,

I have the 8 air bag suspension.


On Monday, May 8, 2017 8:40 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


 
Jim and Kathy,

What suspension do you have on your Panther??? VelvetRide (torsional suspension) or the 8 airbag air suspension?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:29 PM, James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Does anyone know the Koni  part numbers for a 1999 Safari, Continental Panther 425. 40 Footer.
I would like the adjustable shocks for the front and back. Thank you for your help in advance.

Jim and Kathy
1999 Safari Panther 425
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow








Group: Safarifriends Message: 33075 From: James McDaniel Date: 5/9/2017
Subject: Re: koni shocks
John,

Thank you so much for your research, that helps a lot.
Now I feel comfortable ordering the koni shocks.


Jim and Kathy 1999 Safari Continental Panther 425
With a 1014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow



On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:22 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Jim,

After a lot of digging I finally dug up the shock numbers for your air ride coach.

If you want the Koni Reds that are adjustable, the part number is:
88-1458SP2 [front and rear] there is also an 88-1458SP1 that is identical (except for slight difference in dampening), the latter will give you a somewhat smoother ride as far as the small jarring bumps go, but at a small sacrifice of less dampening on rebound. Looking at their numbers the dampening on rebound is not that much different, between the SP1 and SP2, but there is much less dampening on the SP1 on the downward stroke, and this is what gives you a much smother ride with the annoying jarring bumps.

So you decide what your driving needs are, either will fit and work.

If you want to go with the Koni FSD (road sensing/non adjustable) shocks the part numbers are:

Front: 8805-1004SP1

Rear:  8805-1005SP1

Note: the FSD part numbers are different, but same shock, just slightly different dampening. Also, the FSD shocks are about $45 per shock more then the adjustable Reds.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM, James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John,

I have the 8 air bag suspension.


On Monday, May 8, 2017 8:40 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


 
Jim and Kathy,

What suspension do you have on your Panther??? VelvetRide (torsional suspension) or the 8 airbag air suspension?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:29 PM, James McDaniel jimmy_mcd@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Does anyone know the Koni  part numbers for a 1999 Safari, Continental Panther 425. 40 Footer.
I would like the adjustable shocks for the front and back. Thank you for your help in advance.

Jim and Kathy
1999 Safari Panther 425
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee in tow










Group: Safarifriends Message: 33095 From: Rob Lunday Date: 5/10/2017
Subject: Re: 2002 Zanzibar ride
Having recently been annoyed by A 7 mile stretch of I 40 between Ashfork and Williams I'm really curious to what Arizona is doing with all her highway funds??? 

I'm sure everyone has stretchs of potholes in there recent memory.

Rob Lunday
Have A Blessed Day

On May 9, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Dwayne knollibe@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I drive a large crane without much suspension. There is not much defense against dropped bridge approach slabs. 
Watch the vehicles ahead of you and slow down when you see them dip. 
Most states have online reporting for road hazards. Report them. 

Dwayne
96 safari Sahara
P&H 20 ton crane 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 9, 2017, at 7:02 AM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

We just returned to Michigan from a trip to Florida and I just installed new koni shocks all 4 sides. I still hit very hard when going over bridges and bad bumps. Does anyone know what can be done about the hard hitting going over bridges.


2002 Zanzibar

Valvet Ride


Dave

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33230 From: Bill Edwards Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI


On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:


Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

Bill Edwards
1999 Panther






Group: Safarifriends Message: 33239 From: Dog Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI

Bill

They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted

 

Thanks

Dave

 

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:

 

Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33243 From: Bill Edwards Date: 5/23/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
Dave

I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.

B


On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Bill
They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted
 
Thanks
Dave
 
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI
 
 
 
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:
 
Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 
 
Bill Edwards
1999 Panther
 
 
 
 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 33247 From: Dog Date: 5/24/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI

Bill

That would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave

 

I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.

 

B

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Bill

They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted

 

Thanks

Dave

 

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:

 

Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

 

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33263 From: Dog Date: 5/24/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI

Bill

I can tie into  the exhaust brake compressor right ?  Where is the compressor at on the Zanzibar?

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave

 

I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.

 

B

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Bill

They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted

 

Thanks

Dave

 

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:

 

Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

 

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33266 From: Bill Edwards Date: 5/24/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
Yes you can use the pack Brake pump...I added another 2 gallon tank in the system when I did mine. In the Z it sits on the cross member in front of the engine above the tranny.

Bill Edwards
1999 Panther


On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:37 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Bill
I can tie into  the exhaust brake compressor right ?  Where is the compressor at on the Zanzibar?
 
Dave
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI
 
 
Dave
 
I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.
 
B
 
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
Bill
They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted
 
Thanks
Dave
 
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI
 
 
 
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:
 
Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 
 
Bill Edwards
1999 Panther
 
 
 
 
 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 33268 From: Dog Date: 5/25/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI

Bill

Thanks again I will look today and see if I can locate it.  I’m planning on putting the regulators in drivers compartment like you suggested. I will make a nice wood compartment to house them.

 

Thanks

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:14 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Yes you can use the pack Brake pump...I added another 2 gallon tank in the system when I did mine. In the Z it sits on the cross member in front of the engine above the tranny.

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 4:37 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Bill

I can tie into  the exhaust brake compressor right ?  Where is the compressor at on the Zanzibar?

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave

 

I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.

 

B

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Bill

They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted

 

Thanks

Dave

 

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:

 

Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33368 From: Dog Date: 5/31/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
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Bill

Well I started to look into installing my air bags on front today and frond that the lug nuts where right to loosen and left to tighten did not know that. Then I found no hole in my frame for the top mount on the front. So I do not have a reference for the to mount. Picture attached

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave

 

I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.

 

B

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Bill

They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted

 

Thanks

Dave

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:

 

Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

 

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33369 From: Bill Edwards Date: 5/31/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI [1 Attachment]
DAVE,

 Drivers side only   i will get to that for you today, this afternoon

Bill Edwards
 


On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:45 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
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Bill
Well I started to look into installing my air bags on front today and frond that the lug nuts where right to loosen and left to tighten did not know that. Then I found no hole in my frame for the top mount on the front. So I do not have a reference for the to mount. Picture attached
 
Dave
 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI
 
 
Dave
 
I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.
 
B
 
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
Bill
They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted
 
Thanks
Dave
 
 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI
 
 
 
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:
 
Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 
 
Bill Edwards
1999 Panther
 
 
 
 
 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 33382 From: TD Date: 5/31/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI [1 Attachment]
Dave,

You can see on your photo, that your bump stops are hitting hard against the torsion beam. Did you end up doing a ride height adjustment???
If yes, did the ride improve?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:45 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Dog included below]

Bill

Well I started to look into installing my air bags on front today and frond that the lug nuts where right to loosen and left to tighten did not know that. Then I found no hole in my frame for the top mount on the front. So I do not have a reference for the to mount. Picture attached

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave

 

I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.

 

B

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

 

Bill

They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted

 

Thanks

Dave

 

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:

 

Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

 

 

 

 




Group: Safarifriends Message: 33390 From: rob shelton Date: 5/31/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
Dave, I am not sure but I think I remember my tire man telling me that the left side lug nuts were different from the right side? If you haven't checked both front wheels, look closely at the threads. rob shelton 98' serengeti, 37' cat 300, allison 6spd



From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 
Dave,

You can see on your photo, that your bump stops are hitting hard against the torsion beam. Did you end up doing a ride height adjustment???
If yes, did the ride improve?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:45 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Dog included below]

Bill
Well I started to look into installing my air bags on front today and frond that the lug nuts where right to loosen and left to tighten did not know that. Then I found no hole in my frame for the top mount on the front. So I do not have a reference for the to mount. Picture attached
 
Dave
 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI
 
 
Dave
 
I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.
 
B
 
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
 
 
Bill
They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted
 
Thanks
Dave
 
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI
 
 
 
On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:
 
Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 
 
Bill Edwards
1999 Panther
 
 
 
 
 





Group: Safarifriends Message: 33411 From: Dog Date: 6/1/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI

John

Yes I did do a height adjustment 5 shims on drivers side and 4 shims on passenger side. Back height was ok just did front.

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:14 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave,

You can see on your photo, that your bump stops are hitting hard against the torsion beam. Did you end up doing a ride height adjustment???

If yes, did the ride improve?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:45 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

[Attachment(s) from Dog included below]

Bill

Well I started to look into installing my air bags on front today and frond that the lug nuts where right to loosen and left to tighten did not know that. Then I found no hole in my frame for the top mount on the front. So I do not have a reference for the to mount. Picture attached

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave

 

I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.

 

B

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Bill

They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted

 

Thanks

Dave

 

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:

 

Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 33424 From: TD Date: 6/1/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI
Dave,

Has the ride improved, since you adjusted the ride height?


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:26 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John

Yes I did do a height adjustment 5 shims on drivers side and 4 shims on passenger side. Back height was ok just did front.

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:14 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave,

You can see on your photo, that your bump stops are hitting hard against the torsion beam. Did you end up doing a ride height adjustment???

If yes, did the ride improve?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:45 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

[Attachment(s) from Dog included below]

Bill

Well I started to look into installing my air bags on front today and frond that the lug nuts where right to loosen and left to tighten did not know that. Then I found no hole in my frame for the top mount on the front. So I do not have a reference for the to mount. Picture attached

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave

 

I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.

 

B

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

 

Bill

They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted

 

Thanks

Dave

 

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:

 

Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




Group: Safarifriends Message: 33435 From: Dog Date: 6/2/2017
Subject: Re: Air bags 96 SerengetI

John

Yes the ride did improve

 

Thanks

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:25 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave,

Has the ride improved, since you adjusted the ride height?


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:26 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

John

Yes I did do a height adjustment 5 shims on drivers side and 4 shims on passenger side. Back height was ok just did front.

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:14 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave,

You can see on your photo, that your bump stops are hitting hard against the torsion beam. Did you end up doing a ride height adjustment???

If yes, did the ride improve?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:45 AM, 'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

[Attachment(s) from Dog included below]

Bill

Well I started to look into installing my air bags on front today and frond that the lug nuts where right to loosen and left to tighten did not know that. Then I found no hole in my frame for the top mount on the front. So I do not have a reference for the to mount. Picture attached

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

Dave

 

I get that pricing thing and Pioneer at 3 grand I think it prices them out of the market and makes one look else where for a similar product. I am not adverse to making a dimensional drawing of the mounts on the Zanzibar for you along with locations.

 

B

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:16 PM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Bill

They are WAY Cheaper then Pioneers Metal Works  kit . What I’m trying to accomplish is see how they fit front and back  and what it will take to install them. If it is not too bad I will order the back air bags. I will keep you posted

 

Thanks

Dave

 

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Yahoogroups
Subject: Fw: [Safarifriends] Air bags 96 SerengetI

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:19 AM, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:

 

Ordering only two for the front will be like installing two new shocks to replace 2 when 4 are needed.   Another analogy, If the front springs (2) were broken one would replace them both not just one and expect satisfactory results. . If the vehicle needed two torsion bars one would not install one to verify that the handling was improving. The physics do not add up.What are you going to compare the addition of two front ait bags to? 

 

Bill Edwards

1999 Panther

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 34502 From: Rossluken Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions

I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 34506 From: Gerry Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions [5 Attac
Ross, you are embarking on a steep learning curve.  Read through this web site for many answers to questions you will have. There was just a long discussion here on cleaning your CAC/Radiator to prevent engine overheating.
  I will answer a couple of your questions here.  Yes you can add seat belts, I added 2 for the couch.  Also your pac brake probably need to be lubricated, all the pivot points need oil, especially the one going down to the butterfly valve.  A sticking valve makes for rough shifting.  There are other possibilities but you should try that first.
I have previously posted the changes I made to my unit to improve the lousy handling.  Go find that discussion.  New shocks made little to no improvement to my handling problems.
Happy travels,
Gerry
1997 Sahara 32'

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 34508 From: Jason Ellis Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions [5 Attac
Great looking coach!  Very similar to mine.  You can do the seat belts, I looked into it and i probably will do it eventually, but we decided to strap our 6 year old in the front seat and my wife sits on the couch.  We use a ridesafer travel vest.  It's a little pricey, but it protects as well as a real booster seat and shoulder belt would.  It uses a tether to the seat frame over the back of the seat to attach to the vest.

If you decide to do it installing yours would be a little different than mine since I believe your couch is in the slide.  You'll have to account for the fender washers and bolts clearing when you bring the slide in, but it should be doable.  Just bolts and fender washers.  If you look at a factory installed belt in similar locations that's what they do on a lot of them.

Jason
97 Sahara
250 CAT

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from rossluken@... [Safarifriends] included below]

I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 





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Jason
97 Safari Sahara 30'
250hp CAT 3126
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34509 From: Jason Ellis Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions [5 Attac
I have a little experience with the rough handling, there are lots of threads on this board about the handling in the shorter versions of our coaches.  First thing you should do, and this made the biggest difference in mine, is go get a 4 corner weighing.  Then look up your tires and set the pressure for the actual load plus a little buffer.  My front tires were at 100psi and i ended up taking them down to 75, my rears i took from 105 to 100.  Try to keep a full load of fuel and fresh water as our coaches are a little light in the front and that helps.

Once i got the tires right per the load actually on the rig it handled SOOO much better. I couldn't believe it.  It would probably handle a little better if I bolted about 1000lbs up front, but its fine as is now.

Jason
97 Sahara 3044
250 CAT

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
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I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 





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Jason
97 Safari Sahara 30'
250hp CAT 3126
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34512 From: Rossluken Date: 7/10/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions
He is Bill's reply 


Ross

Great the coach looks very nice and lucky you, There will be many that chime in on this for sure.

To answer some of your questions, The shorter coaches have som inherant handling issues and some can be corrected or at least improvec for sure. First I am going to assume it is a BFG Velvet ride rig. You should check the ride height first of all. Measure from the bottom of the belt line (Molding that runs the length of the coach) to the center of each axle/wheel. This number should be 24 inches I believe. If not it should be corrected before you do anything else including changing the shocks.

All of us here will tell you forget the Bilstines. In this applications Koni make a better choice. I too have Bilstines on my 350 Fors 7.3 dually and Konis on my coach.

Better handling comes from Pioneer Metal Works in Quincy Washington. Called Tiger Trax. It is specialty built componetry for Safari by a long time Safari owner now passed. It is not expensive stuff but worth every nickel.I will not be the only one that touts this.

Seat belts, yes they can be retrofitted 

Awning is a Girard and yes I have one as well. It is adjustable. Call their tech line and help is readily available. You have what s referred to as a Girard "pocket" awning. It is very problematic, not mechanically or by Girard but by the way Safari installed it, in a pocket. Great idea I think but it is prone to leak into the coach. That said you are fore warned to keep your eye on the seams and seals around it to prevent leaking.  I have the same setup and a watchful eye working.

Trailer brake, it is not pre-wired but all the wiring back there is readily accessible I suggest you do a bit of home work on controleres as you will get what you pay for, for sure. Amazon is a good source for the equipment and best pricing...look at Tekonsha, my top choice for sure, and buy the best that they have about 120/130 bucks. It comes with a color coded plug in pigtail and most do today.

Hauling a trailer with any tongue weight will exacerbate the short wheel base issues of the coach. I wrote an article on this a couple weeks ago that you might look for. If you cannot find it let me know and I will send a copy to you. You can also visit Trailertoad.com for a look and the perfect solution.

Have fun and good luck

Bill Edwards
1999 Panther
2001 Zanzibar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34619 From: TD Date: 7/13/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions [5 Attac
Ross,

If you are going to get new shocks go with the Koni shocks (make sure you order by part number not make of coach). As far as socks go for these VelvetRide suspensions, trying other brands is a waste of time and money. The Koni shocks with the specific part number for the front was heavily researched by the late Ralph Andrews (owner of Pioneer Metal Works), and it is the shock that best improves ride quality, getting rid of swaying and porpoising, to the point where you don't need a quad shock setup in the front.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

As mentioned before, these coaches are very light in the front, coupled with front tires being over or under inflated, these coaches will really wander  and the tail will wag the dog. That said, have your front end/suspension and ride height (25") checked. Pay particular attention to king pins, steering box and shackles for wear/looseness. Proper Caster adjustment is key to good handling. It is also possible that there could be hidden issues with the the steering gear box. I just recently heard of one with steering/handling issues. The culprit was consealed and very difficult to pin point, it was finally discovered in the steering box. No play in the box, but due to internal seals swelling and restricting flow, the steering would not return properly when under hydraulic pressure (system running), but seemed fine when engine was off, which is how the shops normally check the steering play or binding. A rebuild of the steering box resolved the issue and now the coach steers and handles really well. The symptoms were: wondering, hard to keep coach in lane, very sensitive to wind, etc. The coach was aligned, with increased caster, before the steering box issue was discovered. The increased caster helped, but the issue still persisted. The shop theorized that someone might have put power steering sealer in the system, causing the seals to swell.
This is another thing to add to the check list when one has steering issues. 

Here are the revised VelvetRide alignment specs:

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster
(4.5 absolute minimum. If coach tends to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred, 6.5 deg. max)
 If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +1 degree more can be increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable, unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need adjustment)

.125  to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road .25" is preferred)


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from rossluken@... [Safarifriends] included below]

I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 





Group: Safarifriends Message: 34626 From: Ross Luken Date: 7/13/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions
John, 
Thanks for the helpful information! I have the Koni shocks on order and I hopefully will see them next week. It looks like you need to adjust them before you install them, I am guessing I would set them at stiffer setting?   I have an alignment scheduled for next week so I am interested to see what the number come up as. I am pretty sure that the coach is riding too low since all of the shims are in place but I need to find a level parking lot to verify that. It looks pretty easy to adjust the ride height so I may tackle that this weekend.  

At one point someone  (first owners) some money trying to make make the coach handle better with the quad shocks, Tiger traks and the steering stabilizer so I am guessing that it just out of adjustment or possibly a few worn out components. I would imagine that most of the components like steering box are standard medium duty truck parts and are pretty easy to source? 

After the handling I need to work on the brakes. I just don't feel like I am getting the power assist like I should and it pulls a little to the right. Looks like I'll have to invest in some larger tools and jacks to work on this thing, everything is slightly larger than my race car which is Mazda Miata. 

Ross

On 7/13/2017 10:48:00 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ross,

If you are going to get new shocks go with the Koni shocks (make sure you order by part number not make of coach). As far as socks go for these VelvetRide suspensions, trying other brands is a waste of time and money. The Koni shocks with the specific part number for the front was heavily researched by the late Ralph Andrews (owner of Pioneer Metal Works), and it is the shock that best improves ride quality, getting rid of swaying and porpoising, to the point where you don't need a quad shock setup in the front.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

As mentioned before, these coaches are very light in the front, coupled with front tires being over or under inflated, these coaches will really wander  and the tail will wag the dog. That said, have your front end/suspension and ride height (25") checked. Pay particular attention to king pins, steering box and shackles for wear/looseness. Proper Caster adjustment is key to good handling. It is also possible that there could be hidden issues with the the steering gear box. I just recently heard of one with steering/handling issues. The culprit was consealed and very difficult to pin point, it was finally discovered in the steering box. No play in the box, but due to internal seals swelling and restricting flow, the steering would not return properly when under hydraulic pressure (system running), but seemed fine when engine was off, which is how the shops normally check the steering play or binding. A rebuild of the steering box resolved the issue and now the coach steers and handles really well. The symptoms were: wondering, hard to keep coach in lane, very sensitive to wind, etc. The coach was aligned, with increased caster, before the steering box issue was discovered. The increased caster helped, but the issue still persisted. The shop theorized that someone might have put power steering sealer in the system, causing the seals to swell.
This is another thing to add to the check list when one has steering issues. 

Here are the revised VelvetRide alignment specs:

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster
(4.5 absolute minimum. If coach tends to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred, 6.5 deg. max)
 If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +1 degree more can be increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable, unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need adjustment)

.125  to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road .25" is preferred)


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from rossluken@... [Safarifriends] included below]

I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 





Group: Safarifriends Message: 34638 From: TD Date: 7/13/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! I have questions
Ross,

Did you order the correct shock number for the front??? If not have it changed to the correct one. These shocks are not cheap and unless you order that specific shock, you will be wasting your money. Did you order two or four shocks for the front?
As for the shock setting, the come from the factory set at least dampening. If you are changing out all four, leave it at the factory setting, if you are only going to use two up front, and the roads you will be traveling are rough, then set it to maximum dampening.

Have your ride height checked and adjusted if needed before you take it to get aligned. Have them check over the king pins and the steering gear box. They need to make sure the wheels return to center easily and freely while the engine is running and while it's off. With all the goodies already upgraded for your suspension, that is that much less money you will have to spend out of your pocket, and they are good helpful products.
Have your coach weight fully loaded as in tanks full and all your traveling stuff including family loaded on your coach. If possible have all four corners weighed separately. This way you can balance your coach and inflate the tires properly according to weight. If you do need to adjust your ride height, you don't need to take your wheels off to do that. Look in the files section, there are two different detailed files that explain how to do this procedure.

Be sure to check the date codes on your tires to know how old they are, it doesn't matter how nice the look or how deep the tread is, they age out around 7 to 8 years depending on the climate your in and on the brand.

As for breaks, if the coach sat for a while the rotors could be rusted over, which will give you that ineffective feel, also your caliper sliders could be seized. I just posted pad and rotor part numbers for another member, so be sure to write them down, as they are the same for your coach.
BTW, if your power assist was not working, it would take two feet on your brake padel and two hands pulling on the steering wheel with all your might and prayers to boot to try to stop the coach. That happened a few years back to one of our group members. Was not a good experience...

Slightly larger tools? Lol. Yup, a one inch drive impact gun will help. Don't for get the left wheels are left hand thread and are marked with an L.

What region of the country are you in?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd. 

 

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, 'Ross Luken' rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John, 
Thanks for the helpful information! I have the Koni shocks on order and I hopefully will see them next week. It looks like you need to adjust them before you install them, I am guessing I would set them at stiffer setting?   I have an alignment scheduled for next week so I am interested to see what the number come up as. I am pretty sure that the coach is riding too low since all of the shims are in place but I need to find a level parking lot to verify that. It looks pretty easy to adjust the ride height so I may tackle that this weekend.  

At one point someone  (first owners) some money trying to make make the coach handle better with the quad shocks, Tiger traks and the steering stabilizer so I am guessing that it just out of adjustment or possibly a few worn out components. I would imagine that most of the components like steering box are standard medium duty truck parts and are pretty easy to source? 

After the handling I need to work on the brakes. I just don't feel like I am getting the power assist like I should and it pulls a little to the right. Looks like I'll have to invest in some larger tools and jacks to work on this thing, everything is slightly larger than my race car which is Mazda Miata. 

Ross

On 7/13/2017 10:48:00 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Ross,

If you are going to get new shocks go with the Koni shocks (make sure you order by part number not make of coach). As far as socks go for these VelvetRide suspensions, trying other brands is a waste of time and money. The Koni shocks with the specific part number for the front was heavily researched by the late Ralph Andrews (owner of Pioneer Metal Works), and it is the shock that best improves ride quality, getting rid of swaying and porpoising, to the point where you don't need a quad shock setup in the front.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

As mentioned before, these coaches are very light in the front, coupled with front tires being over or under inflated, these coaches will really wander  and the tail will wag the dog. That said, have your front end/suspension and ride height (25") checked. Pay particular attention to king pins, steering box and shackles for wear/looseness. Proper Caster adjustment is key to good handling. It is also possible that there could be hidden issues with the the steering gear box. I just recently heard of one with steering/handling issues. The culprit was consealed and very difficult to pin point, it was finally discovered in the steering box. No play in the box, but due to internal seals swelling and restricting flow, the steering would not return properly when under hydraulic pressure (system running), but seemed fine when engine was off, which is how the shops normally check the steering play or binding. A rebuild of the steering box resolved the issue and now the coach steers and handles really well. The symptoms were: wondering, hard to keep coach in lane, very sensitive to wind, etc. The coach was aligned, with increased caster, before the steering box issue was discovered. The increased caster helped, but the issue still persisted. The shop theorized that someone might have put power steering sealer in the system, causing the seals to swell.
This is another thing to add to the check list when one has steering issues. 

Here are the revised VelvetRide alignment specs:

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster
(4.5 absolute minimum. If coach tends to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred, 6.5 deg. max)
 If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +1 degree more can be increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable, unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need adjustment)

.125  to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road .25" is preferred)


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
[Attachment(s) from rossluken@... [Safarifriends] included below]

I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 








Group: Safarifriends Message: 34644 From: Ross Luken Date: 7/14/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari shocks and handling
John,
I ordered two shocks for the front based on the recommendations of  others, I guess if need be I could add a second set if there an issue since I have the hardware. I did in fact order the wrong part number but changed it to the one you gave me (fyi the link you sent pulls up the incorrect part number as well). I did see that Koni in now making a 99 shock that they say is better than the 88 shocks, do you know anything about them?https://www.ultrarvproducts.com/Koni-EVO-99B-3254-Country-Coach-Freightliner-Neway-IFS-Front-Spartan-Summit-Alpine-Front.

I weighted the coach on my way back from CA, with full fuel, almost full water and a full LP tank it was around 7500lbs in the front and 1550lbs in the rear. I have not see a 4 wheel scale but I will keep looking, I am guessing my car scales will not work.  I was looking this morning and it looks pretty straight forward if I wanted to add more weight to the front, a few steel plates bolted or welded to the frame. This may come into play more I start towing with it. I think it will that some trial and error depending how much tongue weight I end up with. 

The tires unfortunately are 7 years old Toyos. I was  told they were 4 years old when I flew out to look at it but the date codes don't lie. They are in great shape and were always covered when not in use. My plan is to change out the steer axle tires this year and change the rears next year. I have a good connection with a company that does a ton of semi tires so I am going to talk with them. 

I am in just a little west of Minneapolis MN.

Ross 

On 7/13/2017 7:25:11 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ross,

Did you order the correct shock number for the front??? If not have it changed to the correct one. These shocks are not cheap and unless you order that specific shock, you will be wasting your money. Did you order two or four shocks for the front?
As for the shock setting, the come from the factory set at least dampening. If you are changing out all four, leave it at the factory setting, if you are only going to use two up front, and the roads you will be traveling are rough, then set it to maximum dampening.

Have your ride height checked and adjusted if needed before you take it to get aligned. Have them check over the king pins and the steering gear box. They need to make sure the wheels return to center easily and freely while the engine is running and while it's off. With all the goodies already upgraded for your suspension, that is that much less money you will have to spend out of your pocket, and they are good helpful products.
Have your coach weight fully loaded as in tanks full and all your traveling stuff including family loaded on your coach. If possible have all four corners weighed separately. This way you can balance your coach and inflate the tires properly according to weight. If you do need to adjust your ride height, you don't need to take your wheels off to do that. Look in the files section, there are two different detailed files that explain how to do this procedure.

Be sure to check the date codes on your tires to know how old they are, it doesn't matter how nice the look or how deep the tread is, they age out around 7 to 8 years depending on the climate your in and on the brand.

As for breaks, if the coach sat for a while the rotors could be rusted over, which will give you that ineffective feel, also your caliper sliders could be seized. I just posted pad and rotor part numbers for another member, so be sure to write them down, as they are the same for your coach.
BTW, if your power assist was not working, it would take two feet on your brake padel and two hands pulling on the steering wheel with all your might and prayers to boot to try to stop the coach. That happened a few years back to one of our group members. Was not a good experience...

Slightly larger tools? Lol. Yup, a one inch drive impact gun will help. Don't for get the left wheels are left hand thread and are marked with an L.

What region of the country are you in?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd. 

 

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, 'Ross Luken' rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John, 
Thanks for the helpful information! I have the Koni shocks on order and I hopefully will see them next week. It looks like you need to adjust them before you install them, I am guessing I would set them at stiffer setting?   I have an alignment scheduled for next week so I am interested to see what the number come up as. I am pretty sure that the coach is riding too low since all of the shims are in place but I need to find a level parking lot to verify that. It looks pretty easy to adjust the ride height so I may tackle that this weekend.  

At one point someone  (first owners) some money trying to make make the coach handle better with the quad shocks, Tiger traks and the steering stabilizer so I am guessing that it just out of adjustment or possibly a few worn out components. I would imagine that most of the components like steering box are standard medium duty truck parts and are pretty easy to source? 

After the handling I need to work on the brakes. I just don't feel like I am getting the power assist like I should and it pulls a little to the right. Looks like I'll have to invest in some larger tools and jacks to work on this thing, everything is slightly larger than my race car which is Mazda Miata. 

Ross

On 7/13/2017 10:48:00 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Ross,

If you are going to get new shocks go with the Koni shocks (make sure you order by part number not make of coach). As far as socks go for these VelvetRide suspensions, trying other brands is a waste of time and money. The Koni shocks with the specific part number for the front was heavily researched by the late Ralph Andrews (owner of Pioneer Metal Works), and it is the shock that best improves ride quality, getting rid of swaying and porpoising, to the point where you don't need a quad shock setup in the front.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

As mentioned before, these coaches are very light in the front, coupled with front tires being over or under inflated, these coaches will really wander  and the tail will wag the dog. That said, have your front end/suspension and ride height (25") checked. Pay particular attention to king pins, steering box and shackles for wear/looseness. Proper Caster adjustment is key to good handling. It is also possible that there could be hidden issues with the the steering gear box. I just recently heard of one with steering/handling issues. The culprit was consealed and very difficult to pin point, it was finally discovered in the steering box. No play in the box, but due to internal seals swelling and restricting flow, the steering would not return properly when under hydraulic pressure (system running), but seemed fine when engine was off, which is how the shops normally check the steering play or binding. A rebuild of the steering box resolved the issue and now the coach steers and handles really well. The symptoms were: wondering, hard to keep coach in lane, very sensitive to wind, etc. The coach was aligned, with increased caster, before the steering box issue was discovered. The increased caster helped, but the issue still persisted. The shop theorized that someone might have put power steering sealer in the system, causing the seals to swell.
This is another thing to add to the check list when one has steering issues. 

Here are the revised VelvetRide alignment specs:

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster
(4.5 absolute minimum. If coach tends to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred, 6.5 deg. max)
 If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +1 degree more can be increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable, unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need adjustment)

.125  to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road .25" is preferred)


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
[Attachment(s) from rossluken@... [Safarifriends] included below]

I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 








Group: Safarifriends Message: 34655 From: TD Date: 7/14/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari shocks and handling
Ross,

I forgot to mention about your concern of the pac brake stressing your horses or mushing their noses.
For about $50 you can have Allison reprogram the pac brake pre-select to 6th or 5th gear, instead or 2nd or 4th that is common. This way you would use you down arrow on the shift pad and control the downshifts your self so they would not be as rapid and harsh. It would also make life a lot smoother when going down long steep grades, because you would pick the gear that hold your coach and not have the rapid downshifting each time you activate the brake.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd. 

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:42 AM, 'Ross Luken' rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,
I ordered two shocks for the front based on the recommendations of  others, I guess if need be I could add a second set if there an issue since I have the hardware. I did in fact order the wrong part number but changed it to the one you gave me (fyi the link you sent pulls up the incorrect part number as well). I did see that Koni in now making a 99 shock that they say is better than the 88 shocks, do you know anything about them?https://www. ultrarvproducts.com/Koni-EVO- 99B-3254-Country-Coach- Freightliner-Neway-IFS-Front- Spartan-Summit-Alpine-Front.

I weighted the coach on my way back from CA, with full fuel, almost full water and a full LP tank it was around 7500lbs in the front and 1550lbs in the rear. I have not see a 4 wheel scale but I will keep looking, I am guessing my car scales will not work.  I was looking this morning and it looks pretty straight forward if I wanted to add more weight to the front, a few steel plates bolted or welded to the frame. This may come into play more I start towing with it. I think it will that some trial and error depending how much tongue weight I end up with. 

The tires unfortunately are 7 years old Toyos. I was  told they were 4 years old when I flew out to look at it but the date codes don't lie. They are in great shape and were always covered when not in use. My plan is to change out the steer axle tires this year and change the rears next year. I have a good connection with a company that does a ton of semi tires so I am going to talk with them. 

I am in just a little west of Minneapolis MN.

Ross 

On 7/13/2017 7:25:11 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Ross,

Did you order the correct shock number for the front??? If not have it changed to the correct one. These shocks are not cheap and unless you order that specific shock, you will be wasting your money. Did you order two or four shocks for the front?
As for the shock setting, the come from the factory set at least dampening. If you are changing out all four, leave it at the factory setting, if you are only going to use two up front, and the roads you will be traveling are rough, then set it to maximum dampening.

Have your ride height checked and adjusted if needed before you take it to get aligned. Have them check over the king pins and the steering gear box. They need to make sure the wheels return to center easily and freely while the engine is running and while it's off. With all the goodies already upgraded for your suspension, that is that much less money you will have to spend out of your pocket, and they are good helpful products.
Have your coach weight fully loaded as in tanks full and all your traveling stuff including family loaded on your coach. If possible have all four corners weighed separately. This way you can balance your coach and inflate the tires properly according to weight. If you do need to adjust your ride height, you don't need to take your wheels off to do that. Look in the files section, there are two different detailed files that explain how to do this procedure.

Be sure to check the date codes on your tires to know how old they are, it doesn't matter how nice the look or how deep the tread is, they age out around 7 to 8 years depending on the climate your in and on the brand.

As for breaks, if the coach sat for a while the rotors could be rusted over, which will give you that ineffective feel, also your caliper sliders could be seized. I just posted pad and rotor part numbers for another member, so be sure to write them down, as they are the same for your coach.
BTW, if your power assist was not working, it would take two feet on your brake padel and two hands pulling on the steering wheel with all your might and prayers to boot to try to stop the coach. That happened a few years back to one of our group members. Was not a good experience...

Slightly larger tools? Lol. Yup, a one inch drive impact gun will help. Don't for get the left wheels are left hand thread and are marked with an L.

What region of the country are you in?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd. 

 

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, 'Ross Luken' rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John, 
Thanks for the helpful information! I have the Koni shocks on order and I hopefully will see them next week. It looks like you need to adjust them before you install them, I am guessing I would set them at stiffer setting?   I have an alignment scheduled for next week so I am interested to see what the number come up as. I am pretty sure that the coach is riding too low since all of the shims are in place but I need to find a level parking lot to verify that. It looks pretty easy to adjust the ride height so I may tackle that this weekend.  

At one point someone  (first owners) some money trying to make make the coach handle better with the quad shocks, Tiger traks and the steering stabilizer so I am guessing that it just out of adjustment or possibly a few worn out components. I would imagine that most of the components like steering box are standard medium duty truck parts and are pretty easy to source? 

After the handling I need to work on the brakes. I just don't feel like I am getting the power assist like I should and it pulls a little to the right. Looks like I'll have to invest in some larger tools and jacks to work on this thing, everything is slightly larger than my race car which is Mazda Miata. 

Ross

On 7/13/2017 10:48:00 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Ross,

If you are going to get new shocks go with the Koni shocks (make sure you order by part number not make of coach). As far as socks go for these VelvetRide suspensions, trying other brands is a waste of time and money. The Koni shocks with the specific part number for the front was heavily researched by the late Ralph Andrews (owner of Pioneer Metal Works), and it is the shock that best improves ride quality, getting rid of swaying and porpoising, to the point where you don't need a quad shock setup in the front.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

As mentioned before, these coaches are very light in the front, coupled with front tires being over or under inflated, these coaches will really wander  and the tail will wag the dog. That said, have your front end/suspension and ride height (25") checked. Pay particular attention to king pins, steering box and shackles for wear/looseness. Proper Caster adjustment is key to good handling. It is also possible that there could be hidden issues with the the steering gear box. I just recently heard of one with steering/handling issues. The culprit was consealed and very difficult to pin point, it was finally discovered in the steering box. No play in the box, but due to internal seals swelling and restricting flow, the steering would not return properly when under hydraulic pressure (system running), but seemed fine when engine was off, which is how the shops normally check the steering play or binding. A rebuild of the steering box resolved the issue and now the coach steers and handles really well. The symptoms were: wondering, hard to keep coach in lane, very sensitive to wind, etc. The coach was aligned, with increased caster, before the steering box issue was discovered. The increased caster helped, but the issue still persisted. The shop theorized that someone might have put power steering sealer in the system, causing the seals to swell.
This is another thing to add to the check list when one has steering issues. 

Here are the revised VelvetRide alignment specs:

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster
(4.5 absolute minimum. If coach tends to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred, 6.5 deg. max)
 If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +1 degree more can be increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable, unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need adjustment)

.125  to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road .25" is preferred)


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
[Attachment(s) from rossluken@... [Safarifriends] included below]

I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross