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Group: Safarifriends Message: 27594 From: James King Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: Re: Thank you.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27693 From: Conny Culver Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27695 From: Ron Anderson Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27696 From: Rick Rheinlaender Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27697 From: Ron Anderson Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27699 From: TD Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27700 From: mel96safari Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27701 From: Conny Culver Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27702 From: Conny Culver Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27703 From: Conny Culver Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27706 From: Gerald Larsen Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27708 From: mel96safari Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Bilstein Shocks (was: 2000 Safari Serengeti)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27710 From: TD Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27711 From: Izak Botha Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27716 From: Gerald Larsen Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27721 From: TD Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27730 From: D Jiang Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27731 From: Gerald Larsen Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27733 From: TD Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27734 From: TD Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27736 From: Rick Rheinlaender Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27738 From: D Jiang Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27740 From: TD Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27741 From: D Jiang Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27742 From: TD Date: 4/4/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27743 From: rob shelton Date: 4/4/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27757 From: D Jiang Date: 4/6/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27821 From: dggoldfish Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27822 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27823 From: daveg Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Tail wagging 30' Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27825 From: Mr. G. Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27827 From: Gerry, Ruth Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27829 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27831 From: Jim Exler Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27836 From: Gerry, Ruth Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28120 From: ejn200040 Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28121 From: TD Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28123 From: mel96safari Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28124 From: Rick Rheinlaender Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28127 From: Conny Culver Date: 5/21/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28128 From: j_r_ruff Date: 5/21/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28806 From: staticman4414 Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Factory wheels
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28807 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: Factory wheels
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28808 From: Lynken Toyne Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: Factory wheels
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28809 From: mel96safari Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: Factory wheels
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28810 From: Dale Maggio Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: Factory wheels
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29136 From: Gary Adams Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: Suspension Help
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29137 From: mel96safari Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: Re: Suspension Help
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29183 From: Dean Dugger Date: 10/26/2015
Subject: Re: Safari Ivory Info
Group: Safarifriends Message: 29407 From: gadams0044 Date: 11/23/2015
Subject: Re: Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara



Group: Safarifriends Message: 27594 From: James King Date: 3/5/2015
Subject: Re: Thank you.
Good day , this is a follow up from long ago . I found a bad fuse labeled pac brake that fixed my air horn, step cover,cruise control , fast idle , and the pac brake .and replacing the shocks (bilsteins) really helped the ride. Thank you all . Jim
97 Serengeti , 300 cat, 6speed Allison.

Sent from my iPhone
Group: Safarifriends Message: 27693 From: Conny Culver Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27695 From: Ron Anderson Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27696 From: Rick Rheinlaender Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27697 From: Ron Anderson Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Thanks Rick I guess the thing is to look to see which chassis it's on,  I was just trying to find out when they stopped using the Torsalastic Suspension being that everything I've found out so far is that they don't make replacement parts anymore.   Ron

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 3:32 PM, "Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"




Group: Safarifriends Message: 27699 From: TD Date: 3/30/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Ron,

They do make parts for the torsalastic suspension. This is the company that makes the parts: http://www.sulastic.com/books?pagesize=12

Failure is rare but does happen occasionally. The biggest concern on these suspensions is ride height. If your ride height is correct and you have 4 or more shims left on each corner, it is very unlikely that you will ever have issues. Search the topic rides "height adjustment" and "Velvet Ride Suspension", or VR suspension, and you will find plenty of info on what to look for. My coach has the VR Torsalastic suspension, and I'm happy with it. Its simple, very durable and low maintenance. These suspension are still used on buses in Argentina and are well known to exceed 1 million miles w/o issues, and this is on bad roads. The other important thing to be aware of, is Koni shocks are the only shocks that truly work well with this type of suspension.
If, in very rare occasion, one would need to replace the whole suspension completely, it would cost about $5K on part and probably $5K on labor, unless someone wants to do the bull work themselves. Recently a member with a Foretravel Coach that has the same type of suspension, was able to replace his torsion springs w/o the special tools, so it can be done, but it is labor intensive.
Here is a copy of what he wrote and did, but w/o pictures it is not that clear.
John
 Good news the system is in and working fine. 
No special fixture required.
Here are the steps and it works

1. Secure tube and arms to axle.
2. Align assembled shackle to arm and attach 4" C clamp at center between arm and shackle.
3. Tighten C clamp until bolt holes line up insert bolts and tighten bolts.
A threaded rod nuts and flat washer required for next step.
4. Use a large pipe wrench (24") to load shackle enough to insert threaded rod.
5, Insert Threaded rod with nut and flat washer through the plate, frame,bracket and shackle.(Remove wrench)
6. Install top nut about an inch down and start tightening bottom nut until inner shackle bolts come through
fame with enough threads to safely secure high nuts,
7. Tighten high nuts until bolts become flush with bottom of nut..
8. Remove threaded rod and install outer shackle mount bolts and nuts till flush.
9. Install shims and repeat process on other end.
10. Adjust ride. Read instructions on system settling.

Works great, comes together nicely and we had no safety issue. It is a two man job. 
Have a great day.
Robert



Below are some links from the safarifriends group, that will provide you with the needed information to help you make you decision.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Safarifriends/search/photos?query=ride%20height%20adjustment#

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Safarifriends/search/files?query=ride%20height%20adjustment

I hope this info will help you...


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.




On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks Rick I guess the thing is to look to see which chassis it's on,  I was just trying to find out when they stopped using the Torsalastic Suspension being that everything I've found out so far is that they don't make replacement parts anymore.   Ron

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 3:32 PM, "Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"







Group: Safarifriends Message: 27700 From: mel96safari Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Conny
Your 2000 Serengeti is a very nice coach.
However, you neglected to mention the 25-30 problems that had to be fixed before your coach was right.

(I've seen the list) <smile>

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <connyculver@...> wrote :

Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27701 From: Conny Culver Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Hi Mel,

Yep...lots of problems as you know. :-))
Thankfully Ron is buying in S. Cal...not Junction City, OR:-))))))

Since his question was about the suspension...we've had no problems there...

We do love the coach.

Hope to see you in July. We plan to attend Safari International & RV Diesel Club Rallies in WI. 

-Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 31, 2015, at 6:46 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Conny
Your 2000 Serengeti is a very nice coach.
However, you neglected to mention the 25-30 problems that had to be fixed before your coach was right.

(I've seen the list) <smile>

Mel
'96 Sahara



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <connyculver@...> wrote :

Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27702 From: Conny Culver Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Mel,

By the way, had the Onan and Hurricane serviced last week..5 months ahead of schedule...Junction City managed to screw those jobs up too. Thankfully this recommended mobile tech in Tucson was highly recommended.  

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 31, 2015, at 6:46 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Conny
Your 2000 Serengeti is a very nice coach.
However, you neglected to mention the 25-30 problems that had to be fixed before your coach was right.

(I've seen the list) <smile>

Mel
'96 Sahara



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <connyculver@...> wrote :

Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27703 From: Conny Culver Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Ron,

I'm not sure if ALL 2000 Serengeti's were built like ours.  Ask to see the airbags...

-Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27706 From: Gerald Larsen Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27708 From: mel96safari Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Bilstein Shocks (was: 2000 Safari Serengeti)
My coach originally came from SMC/Magnum with Bilstein shocks.

At 134k miles the originals were replaced, (with Bilsteins).

The Bilstein part numbers for the 1992-2002 Magnum chassis, (both the Blue Max and the Blue Streak), are:
B46-2092 (front)
B46-2093 (rear).

However the p/n for BOTH the front and the rear shocks on the 1998-2001 (8 air bag system) Magnum Chassis is B46-2093

Mel
'96 Sahara 3530, (on the Magunm Blue Streak chassis)


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <jerrylarsen38@...> wrote :

Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 
Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27710 From: TD Date: 3/31/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"





Group: Safarifriends Message: 27711 From: Izak Botha Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Seems everyone gets that list when the guy a Safari. Once you can start enjoying it, it seems to make it worthwhile though.

Regards

Izak

On Mar 31, 2015, at 8:46 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Conny
Your 2000 Serengeti is a very nice coach.
However, you neglected to mention the 25-30 problems that had to be fixed before your coach was right.

(I've seen the list) <smile>

Mel
'96 Sahara



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <connyculver@...> wrote :

Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27716 From: Gerald Larsen Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"





Group: Safarifriends Message: 27721 From: TD Date: 4/1/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"








Group: Safarifriends Message: 27730 From: D Jiang Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"










Group: Safarifriends Message: 27731 From: Gerald Larsen Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Hi John

I installed them about a year ago, I'll bet I got the old ones, when I get over the bug I've got ill pull them and check both the number and the settings.

Thanks

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Apr 3, 2015, at 8:16 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"










Group: Safarifriends Message: 27733 From: TD Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Bill,

If your shocks are yellow, they are most likely Biltstein or Monroe.

I will assume that you have the Velvet Ride torsional suspension, and that is what I will give info on.

I ordered my Koni shocks from LTB Autosports, they are a few dollars less, and they have free shipping.

Front:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95fr.html    (Their site shows SP2 instead of SP3, but that should not be an issue. All that denotes is an update of some kind, the dampening aspect and dimensions are the same. If you want, you could call them direct and ask for the SP3, they ship directly from Koni, even though LTB is the ones that sells them).

Rear:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95re.html

Be aware that the shocks come set at the softest setting, so you will need to adjust them to the firmest setting. To adust, clolapse the shock all the way in, then while holding mild downward pressure, turn counter clockwise, till you feel the adjuster notch engage, then turn clockwise till it stops turning. Note: when turning, be gentle, once it stops, don't try to force it to go further, because it can damage the shock internally. Also, when you have the front shocks at the firmest setting, they will be REALLY difficult to retract. You will need muscles and patients. There rears are easy,  but should also be set to the firmest setting.

As for replacing the shocks, it is easy, but you will need a large socket and beaker bar or an impact gun. The socket is around 1 1/4 inch, if I remember correctly. Spin the top and bottom nuts off, remove the old shocks, mount the new ones and re-tighten the nuts.

What issues are you having with ride?
Does it bottom out, bounce to much, or just ride harsh???

I hope this helps. 


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"













Group: Safarifriends Message: 27734 From: TD Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Gerald,

If you have your receipt, the shock numbers should be on there?

When you can, please describe you ride issues.

I hope you feel better real soon!

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John

I installed them about a year ago, I'll bet I got the old ones, when I get over the bug I've got ill pull them and check both the number and the settings.

Thanks

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Apr 3, 2015, at 8:16 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"













Group: Safarifriends Message: 27736 From: Rick Rheinlaender Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
When we bought our coach it had Monroe shocks on it   I changed them to Bilstines and have been very happy with them

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Apr 3, 2015, at 3:16 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bill,

If your shocks are yellow, they are most likely Biltstein or Monroe.

I will assume that you have the Velvet Ride torsional suspension, and that is what I will give info on.

I ordered my Koni shocks from LTB Autosports, they are a few dollars less, and they have free shipping.

Front:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95fr.html    (Their site shows SP2 instead of SP3, but that should not be an issue. All that denotes is an update of some kind, the dampening aspect and dimensions are the same. If you want, you could call them direct and ask for the SP3, they ship directly from Koni, even though LTB is the ones that sells them).

Rear:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95re.html

Be aware that the shocks come set at the softest setting, so you will need to adjust them to the firmest setting. To adust, clolapse the shock all the way in, then while holding mild downward pressure, turn counter clockwise, till you feel the adjuster notch engage, then turn clockwise till it stops turning. Note: when turning, be gentle, once it stops, don't try to force it to go further, because it can damage the shock internally. Also, when you have the front shocks at the firmest setting, they will be REALLY difficult to retract. You will need muscles and patients. There rears are easy,  but should also be set to the firmest setting.

As for replacing the shocks, it is easy, but you will need a large socket and beaker bar or an impact gun. The socket is around 1 1/4 inch, if I remember correctly. Spin the top and bottom nuts off, remove the old shocks, mount the new ones and re-tighten the nuts.

What issues are you having with ride?
Does it bottom out, bounce to much, or just ride harsh???

I hope this helps. 


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"













Group: Safarifriends Message: 27738 From: D Jiang Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
John,

Yes they are Biltstein. My suspension is the kind that has 8 air bags, I do not know what's its name. My ride problem is that I do not seem to be confident when driving this thing: it seems to me that I can not get the RV to go exactly where I want it to go. Sometimes I run over the center line and get people honk at me. I seem to turn either too much, or not enough. I am not sure if this is just my skill level or the suspension that is not giving me correct feedback. You guys got better ride after changing the shocks, so I am thinking about changing them. Does it sound like that I am going to do better with the Koni shocks?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Bill,

If your shocks are yellow, they are most likely Biltstein or Monroe.

I will assume that you have the Velvet Ride torsional suspension, and that is what I will give info on.

I ordered my Koni shocks from LTB Autosports, they are a few dollars less, and they have free shipping.

Front:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95fr.html    (Their site shows SP2 instead of SP3, but that should not be an issue. All that denotes is an update of some kind, the dampening aspect and dimensions are the same. If you want, you could call them direct and ask for the SP3, they ship directly from Koni, even though LTB is the ones that sells them).

Rear:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95re.html

Be aware that the shocks come set at the softest setting, so you will need to adjust them to the firmest setting. To adust, clolapse the shock all the way in, then while holding mild downward pressure, turn counter clockwise, till you feel the adjuster notch engage, then turn clockwise till it stops turning. Note: when turning, be gentle, once it stops, don't try to force it to go further, because it can damage the shock internally. Also, when you have the front shocks at the firmest setting, they will be REALLY difficult to retract. You will need muscles and patients. There rears are easy,  but should also be set to the firmest setting.

As for replacing the shocks, it is easy, but you will need a large socket and beaker bar or an impact gun. The socket is around 1 1/4 inch, if I remember correctly. Spin the top and bottom nuts off, remove the old shocks, mount the new ones and re-tighten the nuts.

What issues are you having with ride?
Does it bottom out, bounce to much, or just ride harsh???

I hope this helps. 


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.




On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"















Group: Safarifriends Message: 27740 From: TD Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Well,

First off, the shock numbers I gave you are not for your suspension, it is for the torsion spring suspension, you will have to look the proper numbers up.
As far as your steering/handling issues, the Koni shocks will help some, but I think your bigger issue maybe with incorrect tire pressure for the weight you are carrying, or worn steering parts/alignment. You need to weigh you coach, fully loaded for travel and then look up the tire pressure you need to run for the weight. Every tire company has a load inflation chart. If tires are overinflated, they will make the coach wander all over the place. You also might want to look into a steering upgrade like Safe-T-Steer, it is designed to help the steering stay centered. If you are in the west coast are, Herdersons and Redlands are good outfits that have experience with Safari coaches.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:03 PM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

Yes they are Biltstein. My suspension is the kind that has 8 air bags, I do not know what's its name. My ride problem is that I do not seem to be confident when driving this thing: it seems to me that I can not get the RV to go exactly where I want it to go. Sometimes I run over the center line and get people honk at me. I seem to turn either too much, or not enough. I am not sure if this is just my skill level or the suspension that is not giving me correct feedback. You guys got better ride after changing the shocks, so I am thinking about changing them. Does it sound like that I am going to do better with the Koni shocks?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Bill,

If your shocks are yellow, they are most likely Biltstein or Monroe.

I will assume that you have the Velvet Ride torsional suspension, and that is what I will give info on.

I ordered my Koni shocks from LTB Autosports, they are a few dollars less, and they have free shipping.

Front:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95fr.html    (Their site shows SP2 instead of SP3, but that should not be an issue. All that denotes is an update of some kind, the dampening aspect and dimensions are the same. If you want, you could call them direct and ask for the SP3, they ship directly from Koni, even though LTB is the ones that sells them).

Rear:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95re.html

Be aware that the shocks come set at the softest setting, so you will need to adjust them to the firmest setting. To adust, clolapse the shock all the way in, then while holding mild downward pressure, turn counter clockwise, till you feel the adjuster notch engage, then turn clockwise till it stops turning. Note: when turning, be gentle, once it stops, don't try to force it to go further, because it can damage the shock internally. Also, when you have the front shocks at the firmest setting, they will be REALLY difficult to retract. You will need muscles and patients. There rears are easy,  but should also be set to the firmest setting.

As for replacing the shocks, it is easy, but you will need a large socket and beaker bar or an impact gun. The socket is around 1 1/4 inch, if I remember correctly. Spin the top and bottom nuts off, remove the old shocks, mount the new ones and re-tighten the nuts.

What issues are you having with ride?
Does it bottom out, bounce to much, or just ride harsh???

I hope this helps. 


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.




On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"


















Group: Safarifriends Message: 27741 From: D Jiang Date: 4/3/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Thank you so much John! I was going to order those shocks! Now I have more homework to do. The suggested tire pressure on the stick by the driver window is 115 psi for all of them. Sounds like a big job running for the weight - I will see if I can get around doing it some day. The coach has a Howard Power Center Steering System already, and the steering system should not be worn much at only 12 thousand miles (yes 12, not 120). I am thinking that I might need to drive this thing more and get better at it.

 
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Well,

First off, the shock numbers I gave you are not for your suspension, it is for the torsion spring suspension, you will have to look the proper numbers up.
As far as your steering/handling issues, the Koni shocks will help some, but I think your bigger issue maybe with incorrect tire pressure for the weight you are carrying, or worn steering parts/alignment. You need to weigh you coach, fully loaded for travel and then look up the tire pressure you need to run for the weight. Every tire company has a load inflation chart. If tires are overinflated, they will make the coach wander all over the place. You also might want to look into a steering upgrade like Safe-T-Steer, it is designed to help the steering stay centered. If you are in the west coast are, Herdersons and Redlands are good outfits that have experience with Safari coaches.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:03 PM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

Yes they are Biltstein. My suspension is the kind that has 8 air bags, I do not know what's its name. My ride problem is that I do not seem to be confident when driving this thing: it seems to me that I can not get the RV to go exactly where I want it to go. Sometimes I run over the center line and get people honk at me. I seem to turn either too much, or not enough. I am not sure if this is just my skill level or the suspension that is not giving me correct feedback. You guys got better ride after changing the shocks, so I am thinking about changing them. Does it sound like that I am going to do better with the Koni shocks?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Bill,

If your shocks are yellow, they are most likely Biltstein or Monroe.

I will assume that you have the Velvet Ride torsional suspension, and that is what I will give info on.

I ordered my Koni shocks from LTB Autosports, they are a few dollars less, and they have free shipping.

Front:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95fr.html    (Their site shows SP2 instead of SP3, but that should not be an issue. All that denotes is an update of some kind, the dampening aspect and dimensions are the same. If you want, you could call them direct and ask for the SP3, they ship directly from Koni, even though LTB is the ones that sells them).

Rear:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95re.html

Be aware that the shocks come set at the softest setting, so you will need to adjust them to the firmest setting. To adust, clolapse the shock all the way in, then while holding mild downward pressure, turn counter clockwise, till you feel the adjuster notch engage, then turn clockwise till it stops turning. Note: when turning, be gentle, once it stops, don't try to force it to go further, because it can damage the shock internally. Also, when you have the front shocks at the firmest setting, they will be REALLY difficult to retract. You will need muscles and patients. There rears are easy,  but should also be set to the firmest setting.

As for replacing the shocks, it is easy, but you will need a large socket and beaker bar or an impact gun. The socket is around 1 1/4 inch, if I remember correctly. Spin the top and bottom nuts off, remove the old shocks, mount the new ones and re-tighten the nuts.

What issues are you having with ride?
Does it bottom out, bounce to much, or just ride harsh???

I hope this helps. 


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.




On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"




















Group: Safarifriends Message: 27742 From: TD Date: 4/4/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Ideally, you want to go to the type of scales that can weigh all four corners, but even getting weighed at trucks scales will give you what you weigh at front axle and rear axle and combined. It is simple and easy to do, and is very important. Do not chock this off as driver inexperience, you should not be constantly fighting and correcting the wheel, that is NOT normal. Have you had an alignment done? Lack of Caster setting will increase the issues you are having.
What brand tires do you have???

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:39 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thank you so much John! I was going to order those shocks! Now I have more homework to do. The suggested tire pressure on the stick by the driver window is 115 psi for all of them. Sounds like a big job running for the weight - I will see if I can get around doing it some day. The coach has a Howard Power Center Steering System already, and the steering system should not be worn much at only 12 thousand miles (yes 12, not 120). I am thinking that I might need to drive this thing more and get better at it.

 
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Well,

First off, the shock numbers I gave you are not for your suspension, it is for the torsion spring suspension, you will have to look the proper numbers up.
As far as your steering/handling issues, the Koni shocks will help some, but I think your bigger issue maybe with incorrect tire pressure for the weight you are carrying, or worn steering parts/alignment. You need to weigh you coach, fully loaded for travel and then look up the tire pressure you need to run for the weight. Every tire company has a load inflation chart. If tires are overinflated, they will make the coach wander all over the place. You also might want to look into a steering upgrade like Safe-T-Steer, it is designed to help the steering stay centered. If you are in the west coast are, Herdersons and Redlands are good outfits that have experience with Safari coaches.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:03 PM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

Yes they are Biltstein. My suspension is the kind that has 8 air bags, I do not know what's its name. My ride problem is that I do not seem to be confident when driving this thing: it seems to me that I can not get the RV to go exactly where I want it to go. Sometimes I run over the center line and get people honk at me. I seem to turn either too much, or not enough. I am not sure if this is just my skill level or the suspension that is not giving me correct feedback. You guys got better ride after changing the shocks, so I am thinking about changing them. Does it sound like that I am going to do better with the Koni shocks?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Bill,

If your shocks are yellow, they are most likely Biltstein or Monroe.

I will assume that you have the Velvet Ride torsional suspension, and that is what I will give info on.

I ordered my Koni shocks from LTB Autosports, they are a few dollars less, and they have free shipping.

Front:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95fr.html    (Their site shows SP2 instead of SP3, but that should not be an issue. All that denotes is an update of some kind, the dampening aspect and dimensions are the same. If you want, you could call them direct and ask for the SP3, they ship directly from Koni, even though LTB is the ones that sells them).

Rear:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95re.html

Be aware that the shocks come set at the softest setting, so you will need to adjust them to the firmest setting. To adust, clolapse the shock all the way in, then while holding mild downward pressure, turn counter clockwise, till you feel the adjuster notch engage, then turn clockwise till it stops turning. Note: when turning, be gentle, once it stops, don't try to force it to go further, because it can damage the shock internally. Also, when you have the front shocks at the firmest setting, they will be REALLY difficult to retract. You will need muscles and patients. There rears are easy,  but should also be set to the firmest setting.

As for replacing the shocks, it is easy, but you will need a large socket and beaker bar or an impact gun. The socket is around 1 1/4 inch, if I remember correctly. Spin the top and bottom nuts off, remove the old shocks, mount the new ones and re-tighten the nuts.

What issues are you having with ride?
Does it bottom out, bounce to much, or just ride harsh???

I hope this helps. 


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.




On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"























Group: Safarifriends Message: 27743 From: rob shelton Date: 4/4/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Bill, as John said, the tire pressure must be set for the load you are carrying. The sticker shows the maximum pressure. You need to look up a RV tire pressure chart preferably for the brand of tires you have and adjust your pressures. It is hard to do but try to balance your load, left to right as much as you can while loading. Heavy tools on one side, groceries , canned goods on the other, etc. as much as you can if you can't weigh four corners. Another tip, try steering with your hand on the bottom of the steering wheel instead of the top, on the top you have a tendency to oversteer. Also you are driving a wider vehicle and it will take some time to find where your left front wheel is in relation to your left knee. The tire ruts on the highway may not be where you think you are. Don't get discouraged, you will make it. Rob Shelton

From: "D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Thank you so much John! I was going to order those shocks! Now I have more homework to do. The suggested tire pressure on the stick by the driver window is 115 psi for all of them. Sounds like a big job running for the weight - I will see if I can get around doing it some day. The coach has a Howard Power Center Steering System already, and the steering system should not be worn much at only 12 thousand miles (yes 12, not 120). I am thinking that I might need to drive this thing more and get better at it.

 
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd



From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Well,

First off, the shock numbers I gave you are not for your suspension, it is for the torsion spring suspension, you will have to look the proper numbers up.
As far as your steering/handling issues, the Koni shocks will help some, but I think your bigger issue maybe with incorrect tire pressure for the weight you are carrying, or worn steering parts/alignment. You need to weigh you coach, fully loaded for travel and then look up the tire pressure you need to run for the weight. Every tire company has a load inflation chart. If tires are overinflated, they will make the coach wander all over the place. You also might want to look into a steering upgrade like Safe-T-Steer, it is designed to help the steering stay centered. If you are in the west coast are, Herdersons and Redlands are good outfits that have experience with Safari coaches.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:03 PM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

Yes they are Biltstein. My suspension is the kind that has 8 air bags, I do not know what's its name. My ride problem is that I do not seem to be confident when driving this thing: it seems to me that I can not get the RV to go exactly where I want it to go. Sometimes I run over the center line and get people honk at me. I seem to turn either too much, or not enough. I am not sure if this is just my skill level or the suspension that is not giving me correct feedback. You guys got better ride after changing the shocks, so I am thinking about changing them. Does it sound like that I am going to do better with the Koni shocks?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2015 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Bill,

If your shocks are yellow, they are most likely Biltstein or Monroe.

I will assume that you have the Velvet Ride torsional suspension, and that is what I will give info on.

I ordered my Koni shocks from LTB Autosports, they are a few dollars less, and they have free shipping.

Front:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95fr.html    (Their site shows SP2 instead of SP3, but that should not be an issue. All that denotes is an update of some kind, the dampening aspect and dimensions are the same. If you want, you could call them direct and ask for the SP3, they ship directly from Koni, even though LTB is the ones that sells them).

Rear:  http://ltbautosports.com/samave95re.html

Be aware that the shocks come set at the softest setting, so you will need to adjust them to the firmest setting. To adust, clolapse the shock all the way in, then while holding mild downward pressure, turn counter clockwise, till you feel the adjuster notch engage, then turn clockwise till it stops turning. Note: when turning, be gentle, once it stops, don't try to force it to go further, because it can damage the shock internally. Also, when you have the front shocks at the firmest setting, they will be REALLY difficult to retract. You will need muscles and patients. There rears are easy,  but should also be set to the firmest setting.

As for replacing the shocks, it is easy, but you will need a large socket and beaker bar or an impact gun. The socket is around 1 1/4 inch, if I remember correctly. Spin the top and bottom nuts off, remove the old shocks, mount the new ones and re-tighten the nuts.

What issues are you having with ride?
Does it bottom out, bounce to much, or just ride harsh???

I hope this helps. 


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.




On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, D Jiang dfjiang@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,

I looked at my shocks the only thing I can tell is that they are yellow. How do I know what version I have? If  88-1641 SP3 can improve ride I am interested in replacing them. They are available on ebay for about $145 each. Is it hard to replace them yourself or it has to be done by a shop?
 
Thanks,
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
Gerald,

Which Koni shock did you have installed the 88-1641 SP3 or the 88-1490 SP2???
There is a big difference in dampening between the two shocks, per Ralf Andrew (RIP), the owner of Pioneer Metal Works, the 88-1641 SP3 is the shock to use. The 88-1490 SP2 was the original shock and was and is NOT adequate, in fact, with the old number our Safaris required a quad shock upgrade to improve ride and handling, but with the newer number, it is not needed. I have the 88-1641 SP3 installed on my coach, and the difference is huge.

Do you have bottoming out issues, as in the front of the coach bottoms out easily with a loud bang??? If yes, you might need to check for clearance issues, like my coach had. Search the files and photos section on this topic.
Also, did you weigh the coach, and are you running the proper tire pressure according the your weight???

If you want to give me a call, let me know, and I will email you my number.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi John
The ride in front is rough and really bad if I hit a bump or rough road. I had the front shocks to the max, leveled the chassis, the most notable improvement was from sway bar kits front and rear. I think I'll try to find an alignment shop here locally, I spent a bunch in Yuma with no results at (specialty) shops with no help. I have it up for sale but I won't come off my price. I wanted to get something a little smaller, but I had the rear cap, the top trim peace and the whole bottom painted last month, so with the interior still looking great and the exterior beautiful, I'm having mixed emotions, besides I'm old and cranky.  Thanks for the input.  I'm going to pull the front shocks and verify they are set correctly.

Jerry
97 Sere 40'

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:27 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Gerald,

Did you set the Koni shocks for the stiffest setting, as in maximum dampening??? (this is key to ride quality and control/stability)
What issues are you having that you had no improvement?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Gerald Larsen jerrylarsen38@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Did you mean to say , you changed your shocks BACK to Billstiens?  I went to Koni and I'm sure not thrilled with them, $800.00 and no improvement. 

Jerry
97 Sere 40'
4 sale

Sent from Jerry's iPad

On Mar 30, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Rick Rheinlaender texsailor320@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
We have a 2000 safari  Continental 40'. It is on the  Magnun chassis with the 8 airbags.  I think the thing is to look at which chassis the unit is on .   I also changed. The shocks but to Bilstines and it rides great   Mine has 75000 mi on it

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Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Conny thanks for the info, does that mean that in 2000 all  the Serengeti's had air suspension and they at that point had done away with the Torsalastic Suspensions?  If so I feel much better knowing that.  Thanks    Ron
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"



On Monday, March 30, 2015 11:17 AM, "Conny Culver connyculver@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Ron,

We have a 2000 Serengeti, Magnum with 8 air bags.  We love it, no problems at 126,000 miles. We did add Koni shocks.

Conny

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On Mar 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Ron Anderson ronanderson57@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
 Hi my name is Ron, I'm considering buying a 2000 Safari Serengeti and after researching I'm having concerns with the suspension systems that Safari used.  If anyone has any input as to what concerns I should have I would greatly appreciate it. Things I'm concerned about are how long do the suspension system parts last?   Is it a mileage gauge or is it a time gauge or both?  And are parts still available?  I'm going to look at this Safar on Wednesday so any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks  Ron Anderson

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming,
     "WOW WHAT A RIDE!!"






















Group: Safarifriends Message: 27757 From: D Jiang Date: 4/6/2015
Subject: Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti
Thank everyone for the help here. I have a Magnum suspension with 8 air bags. The front has 4 shocks each located close by an air bag, and the rear has only 2 shocks located close to the air bags towards the end of the vehicle. I will try to get weight and set the pressure right first and see if more needs to be done. I have been riding motorcycle since 1993. The pure size of the motorhome got me intimidated to begin with. I can not just jack it up and take off the wheels and play with them like I used to do with those cycles!

I like these Safarifriends! Thanks a lot! 
Have a nice day everyone!
 
Bill Jiang
1999 Continental 3706, Cat, Allison 6spd



From: "'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

 
If Bill has a torsionelastic suspension, he should check the tie rod, (or whatever that thing  that goes from the frame back to the axle is called). In '99 they only put one on the drivers side to stop movement of the axle from steering pressure. The factory, long ago, told me to put one on the other side also. In any case, if the big bolts holding that rod, which is adjustable if not frozen, are loose, it will make the wander much worse. If one of the bolts has been loose for a while, the hole in the frame goes egg shape, making things even worse. The other thing I discovered is that there is enough play in the suspension that  the front axle can wind up not parallel with the rear axle, causing the coach to crab. Mine was out by 3/8".  It may be corrected by adjusting that tie rod. You have to figure out how to measure front to rear axle distance on each side which isn't easy, but it can be done.


From: "purrn2@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 5:32:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 2000 Safari Serengeti

Hi Bill, Our Safari was doing the same thing, wandering.  Took it to a truck repair center and they said the steering box needed to be rebuilt. It was done and all is well.   Irtys Miller


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27821 From: dggoldfish Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Dan,   Yes I  have handling issues.I have refuced tire air pressures, installed  a steering stabilizer, replaced the shocks, and reduced my speed to 60-65. These have all helped but i still have my moments.
     One of the othet members,  Paul, if i remember correctly, gave some other places to check but i haven't been able too yet.
   If Paul us not the name of the man who helped me, i apologise, and when i get back to my pc i will look up who it was and acknowledge him properly. 

   Dale 98 Safari 30' Cat pusher


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Dan Bissell dxb0078@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/20/2015 10:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

Dggoldfish, i habe 30' Safari  Sahara, Do You have issues with dog tail wagging when you have a side wind?

-----Original Message-----
From: "dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends]"
Sent: Apr 19, 2015 11:55 AM
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

My dash air is useless. I have to run the lp generator, too.
   I have a spare mounted on a rack above the front bumper.

 Dale '98 Safari Sahara 30' Cat diesel.


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Nautserv@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/19/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

When I bought my MH 2 years ago, the owner told be that the dash air had a slow leak and that he added  'hot shot' to it right before he was going on a trip and it lasted for weeks and then slowly leaked out.  I have been using the generator while traveling when it is hot, but being that it is LPG, it gets a bit expensive to run it all day.
 
Just curious how many of you have dash ac that actually works....have you converted it to R134a from R12?  How effective is it when you are running or do you still need the roof air?  It seems like there are plenty of opportunities for leaks between the compressor in the rear on the engine and the evaporator all the way up front....hoses with hose clamps to steel pipes...many sections and connections.
 
Second question.....I just replaced all of the tires and kept the best old one for a spare...unmounted.  I was thinking about carrying it with me if I ever get out on the road for any distance and was trying to figure a place to put it....there is a big area under the coach behind the fuel tank and forward of the rear axle that I can sit up it when I am looking around underneath.  Its about 6" too narrow to allow the 19.5 tire to be tucked up there....maybe on an angle somehow, like you see on some tractor trailers.  Any ideas on this one?
 
Thanks, as usual.
 
jon 
 
1992 Safari Serengeti 3450, Cummins/Allison

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27822 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Dale, take a look under the front. There should be at least one adjustable  stabilizer from the axle forward to the frame. Some later coaches had two, one on each side. Check to see if the big bolt on each end is really tight. The air pressure should only be 80PSI in front. What did you use for shocks? Konis made a fantastic difference for me. Dan's front mounted spare is a great idea. By the old rule of thumb, there should be 1200 lbs more weight in front for correct balance. The factory put a big chunk of cast iron in the '99s to help but I don't think the '98s have it. All that being said, the beasts will always wander a little, so just say awake. Email me at nanandpete@... if I can help.  Paul- '99 sahara 30'


From: "dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 5:24:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

Dan,   Yes I  have handling issues.I have refuced tire air pressures, installed  a steering stabilizer, replaced the shocks, and reduced my speed to 60-65. These have all helped but i still have my moments.
     One of the othet members,  Paul, if i remember correctly, gave some other places to check but i haven't been able too yet.
   If Paul us not the name of the man who helped me, i apologise, and when i get back to my pc i will look up who it was and acknowledge him properly. 

   Dale 98 Safari 30' Cat pusher


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Dan Bissell dxb0078@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/20/2015 10:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

Dggoldfish, i habe 30' Safari  Sahara, Do You have issues with dog tail wagging when you have a side wind?

-----Original Message-----
From: "dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends]"
Sent: Apr 19, 2015 11:55 AM
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

My dash air is useless. I have to run the lp generator, too.
   I have a spare mounted on a rack above the front bumper.

 Dale '98 Safari Sahara 30' Cat diesel.


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Nautserv@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/19/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

When I bought my MH 2 years ago, the owner told be that the dash air had a slow leak and that he added  'hot shot' to it right before he was going on a trip and it lasted for weeks and then slowly leaked out.  I have been using the generator while traveling when it is hot, but being that it is LPG, it gets a bit expensive to run it all day.
 
Just curious how many of you have dash ac that actually works....have you converted it to R134a from R12?  How effective is it when you are running or do you still need the roof air?  It seems like there are plenty of opportunities for leaks between the compressor in the rear on the engine and the evaporator all the way up front....hoses with hose clamps to steel pipes...many sections and connections.
 
Second question.....I just replaced all of the tires and kept the best old one for a spare...unmounted.  I was thinking about carrying it with me if I ever get out on the road for any distance and was trying to figure a place to put it....there is a big area under the coach behind the fuel tank and forward of the rear axle that I can sit up it when I am looking around underneath.  Its about 6" too narrow to allow the 19.5 tire to be tucked up there....maybe on an angle somehow, like you see on some tractor trailers.  Any ideas on this one?
 
Thanks, as usual.
 
jon 
 
1992 Safari Serengeti 3450, Cummins/Allison

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27823 From: daveg Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Tail wagging 30' Sahara
Dan, I too have a 30' Sahara.  I don't have tail wagging.  It is blown around some by gusty side winds. 

I had trouble when I first bought it with steering/handling.  I am fortunate to have spoken with Ralph Andrews who owned Pioneer Metal Works.  He walked me through what to look for.  Mine already had all the Pioneer Metal Works suspension enhancements.  1999 and later models already had weight added to the front by Safari, but I don't know what year was the first.

Like Dale, the most important I found was to weigh all four corners while loaded for travel and setting each individual tire pressure by the tire manufacturers recommendations.  That did it for me.

Can you give us a few more details?  What year?  Which chassis and suspension?  What shocks and how old?  Is the suspension completely stock or does it have any of the upgrades?  More details on the tail wagging?  I.e., does it happen on cornering?  Gusty winds or steady side winds? 

If it's the Velvet Ride suspension, check your ride height.  I've checked but haven't yet adjusted.

Hope this helps.

--
- Dave Guyer, 1999 30' Safari Sahara, 300 Cat 3126B, Allison 6

On 4/21/2015 5:24 AM, dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
Dan,   Yes I  have handling issues.I have refuced tire air pressures, installed  a steering stabilizer, replaced the shocks, and reduced my speed to 60-65. These have all helped but i still have my moments.
     One of the othet members,  Paul, if i remember correctly, gave some other places to check but i haven't been able too yet.
   If Paul us not the name of the man who helped me, i apologise, and when i get back to my pc i will look up who it was and acknowledge him properly. 

   Dale 98 Safari 30' Cat pusher

-------- Original message --------
From: "Dan Bissell dxb0078@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/20/2015 10:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
 
Dggoldfish, i habe 30' Safari  Sahara, Do You have issues with dog tail wagging when you have a side wind?

-----Original Message-----
From: "dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends]"
Sent: Apr 19, 2015 11:55 AM
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

<snip>

 Dale '98 Safari Sahara 30' Cat diesel.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 27825 From: Mr. G. Date: 4/21/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Out of curiosity... take a string and measure from the center of the front wheel to the center of the rear wheel... then repeat on the opposite side and see if there is any discrepancy in distance between the two sides....
RG  moderator
 

To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 07:24:40 -0500
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage



Dan,   Yes I  have handling issues.I have refuced tire air pressures, installed  a steering stabilizer, replaced the shocks, and reduced my speed to 60-65. These have all helped but i still have my moments.
     One of the othet members,  Paul, if i remember correctly, gave some other places to check but i haven't been able too yet.
   If Paul us not the name of the man who helped me, i apologise, and when i get back to my pc i will look up who it was and acknowledge him properly. 

   Dale 98 Safari 30' Cat pusher


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Dan Bissell dxb0078@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/20/2015 10:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

Dggoldfish, i habe 30' Safari  Sahara, Do You have issues with dog tail wagging when you have a side wind?

-----Original Message-----
From: "dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends]"
Sent: Apr 19, 2015 11:55 AM
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

My dash air is useless. I have to run the lp generator, too.
   I have a spare mounted on a rack above the front bumper.

 Dale '98 Safari Sahara 30' Cat diesel.


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Nautserv@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/19/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

When I bought my MH 2 years ago, the owner told be that the dash air had a slow leak and that he added  'hot shot' to it right before he was going on a trip and it lasted for weeks and then slowly leaked out.  I have been using the generator while traveling when it is hot, but being that it is LPG, it gets a bit expensive to run it all day.
 
Just curious how many of you have dash ac that actually works....have you converted it to R134a from R12?  How effective is it when you are running or do you still need the roof air?  It seems like there are plenty of opportunities for leaks between the compressor in the rear on the engine and the evaporator all the way up front....hoses with hose clamps to steel pipes...many sections and connections.
 
Second question.....I just replaced all of the tires and kept the best old one for a spare...unmounted.  I was thinking about carrying it with me if I ever get out on the road for any distance and was trying to figure a place to put it....there is a big area under the coach behind the fuel tank and forward of the rear axle that I can sit up it when I am looking around underneath.  Its about 6" too narrow to allow the 19.5 tire to be tucked up there....maybe on an angle somehow, like you see on some tractor trailers.  Any ideas on this one?
 
Thanks, as usual.
 
jon 
 
1992 Safari Serengeti 3450, Cummins/Allison





Group: Safarifriends Message: 27827 From: Gerry, Ruth Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Gentlemen,
I have a 1997 30' Sahara with leaf spring suspension.  I previously posted all of the mods that I dId in an attempt to correct the horrible handling of my unit.  If you missed my posting and need help, look for those previous posts.  The bottom line is that with the leaf spring chassis, the short wheelbase and the excessive weight of the engine, transmission, 6 batteries and generator behind the rear wheels and very little weight on the front end,  you have the recipe for poor handling (unless you have some other major steering/frame malfunction).   The solution is to have a Custom panrod type improvement to the chassis.   You have to lock down the chassis to the house frame. I did both the front and the rear end.  I no longer get blown around and can travel at speeds up to 75 miles keeping the motorhome under control.  Now there is no need to reduce tire pressure.
Gerry

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 21, 2015, at 8:17 PM, 'Mr. G.' prieye@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Out of curiosity... take a string and measure from the center of the front wheel to the center of the rear wheel... then repeat on the opposite side and see if there is any discrepancy in distance between the two sides....
RG  moderator
 

To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 07:24:40 -0500
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage



Dan,   Yes I  have handling issues.I have refuced tire air pressures, installed  a steering stabilizer, replaced the shocks, and reduced my speed to 60-65. These have all helped but i still have my moments.
     One of the othet members,  Paul, if i remember correctly, gave some other places to check but i haven't been able too yet.
   If Paul us not the name of the man who helped me, i apologise, and when i get back to my pc i will look up who it was and acknowledge him properly. 

   Dale 98 Safari 30' Cat pusher


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Dan Bissell dxb0078@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/20/2015 10:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

Dggoldfish, i habe 30' Safari  Sahara, Do You have issues with dog tail wagging when you have a side wind?

-----Original Message-----
From: "dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends]"
Sent: Apr 19, 2015 11:55 AM
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

My dash air is useless. I have to run the lp generator, too.
   I have a spare mounted on a rack above the front bumper.

 Dale '98 Safari Sahara 30' Cat diesel.


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Nautserv@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/19/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

When I bought my MH 2 years ago, the owner told be that the dash air had a slow leak and that he added  'hot shot' to it right before he was going on a trip and it lasted for weeks and then slowly leaked out.  I have been using the generator while traveling when it is hot, but being that it is LPG, it gets a bit expensive to run it all day.
 
Just curious how many of you have dash ac that actually works....have you converted it to R134a from R12?  How effective is it when you are running or do you still need the roof air?  It seems like there are plenty of opportunities for leaks between the compressor in the rear on the engine and the evaporator all the way up front....hoses with hose clamps to steel pipes...many sections and connections.
 
Second question.....I just replaced all of the tires and kept the best old one for a spare...unmounted.  I was thinking about carrying it with me if I ever get out on the road for any distance and was trying to figure a place to put it....there is a big area under the coach behind the fuel tank and forward of the rear axle that I can sit up it when I am looking around underneath.  Its about 6" too narrow to allow the 19.5 tire to be tucked up there....maybe on an angle somehow, like you see on some tractor trailers.  Any ideas on this one?
 
Thanks, as usual.
 
jon 
 
1992 Safari Serengeti 3450, Cummins/Allison





Group: Safarifriends Message: 27829 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
The problem with this method is the front wheels have to be perfectly straight or you get erroneous info. A better way, and a lot more work, is to drop a plumb bob line from each side of both axels to a mark on the floor and then measure. My result was 1/2" difference. Easy to correct if you have the adjustable tie rods on each side of the front axle. Maybe it is my imagination, but I think the adjustment made the ride better. We are getting ready for 8,000 miles, Tucson, New York, Florida , etc, so we will see.



From: "'Mr. G.' prieye@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 5:17:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

Out of curiosity... take a string and measure from the center of the front wheel to the center of the rear wheel... then repeat on the opposite side and see if there is any discrepancy in distance between the two sides....
RG  moderator
 

To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 07:24:40 -0500
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage



Dan,   Yes I  have handling issues.I have refuced tire air pressures, installed  a steering stabilizer, replaced the shocks, and reduced my speed to 60-65. These have all helped but i still have my moments.
     One of the othet members,  Paul, if i remember correctly, gave some other places to check but i haven't been able too yet.
   If Paul us not the name of the man who helped me, i apologise, and when i get back to my pc i will look up who it was and acknowledge him properly. 

   Dale 98 Safari 30' Cat pusher


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Dan Bissell dxb0078@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/20/2015 10:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

Dggoldfish, i habe 30' Safari  Sahara, Do You have issues with dog tail wagging when you have a side wind?

-----Original Message-----
From: "dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends]"
Sent: Apr 19, 2015 11:55 AM
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

My dash air is useless. I have to run the lp generator, too.
   I have a spare mounted on a rack above the front bumper.

 Dale '98 Safari Sahara 30' Cat diesel.


Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Nautserv@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/19/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 

When I bought my MH 2 years ago, the owner told be that the dash air had a slow leak and that he added  'hot shot' to it right before he was going on a trip and it lasted for weeks and then slowly leaked out.  I have been using the generator while traveling when it is hot, but being that it is LPG, it gets a bit expensive to run it all day.
 
Just curious how many of you have dash ac that actually works....have you converted it to R134a from R12?  How effective is it when you are running or do you still need the roof air?  It seems like there are plenty of opportunities for leaks between the compressor in the rear on the engine and the evaporator all the way up front....hoses with hose clamps to steel pipes...many sections and connections.
 
Second question.....I just replaced all of the tires and kept the best old one for a spare...unmounted.  I was thinking about carrying it with me if I ever get out on the road for any distance and was trying to figure a place to put it....there is a big area under the coach behind the fuel tank and forward of the rear axle that I can sit up it when I am looking around underneath.  Its about 6" too narrow to allow the 19.5 tire to be tucked up there....maybe on an angle somehow, like you see on some tractor trailers.  Any ideas on this one?
 
Thanks, as usual.
 
jon 
 
1992 Safari Serengeti 3450, Cummins/Allison





Group: Safarifriends Message: 27831 From: Jim Exler Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Gerry and ‘others’,
 
First, I want to know what the handling of a 30’ coach has to do with the subject line you are posting under; Dash air cond & spare tire storage. This is the main reason people can’t find answers searching the message file.  If you want to discuss an issue, do so under a proper subject line; don’t pirate one that is not relevant for convenience.
 
Now, to the real issue, tire pressure.  The ‘Rules’ state that the tire pressure should be set based on the weight that the tire is carrying. It does not care what kind of suspension is used as long as it is not worn out.
 
A tire properly inflated for its load should have an approximately square footprint.  That means that the shoulder rib of the tread on the ground should be roughly equal to the width of the tire.  Next time you are near a semi tractor, look at his front tires.
 
Running a tire with too much pressure rides mainly on the center ribs but each time you hit a bump the shoulders are forced down and contact the road with a scrubbing action that ends up cupping both sides of the tire.
 
I will post a document I gleaned from a Yokohama tire guide and also a spreadsheet I customized that will provide recommended tire pressures based on the weight on each axle.
 
Jim Exler, Nampa, ID formerly 98 30’ Sahara
 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
 
 

Gentlemen,
I have a 1997 30' Sahara with leaf spring suspension.  I previously posted all of the mods that I dId in an attempt to correct the horrible handling of my unit.  If you missed my posting and need help, look for those previous posts.  The bottom line is that with the leaf spring chassis, the short wheelbase and the excessive weight of the engine, transmission, 6 batteries and generator behind the rear wheels and very little weight on the front end,  you have the recipe for poor handling (unless you have some other major steering/frame malfunction).   The solution is to have a Custom panrod type improvement to the chassis.   You have to lock down the chassis to the house frame. I did both the front and the rear end.  I no longer get blown around and can travel at speeds up to 75 miles keeping the motorhome under control.  Now there is no need to reduce tire pressure.
Gerry

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 21, 2015, at 8:17 PM, 'Mr. G.' prieye@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Out of curiosity... take a string and measure from the center of the front wheel to the center of the rear wheel... then repeat on the opposite side and see if there is any discrepancy in distance between the two sides....
RG  moderator
 

To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 07:24:40 -0500
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage



Dan,   Yes I  have handling issues.I have refuced tire air pressures, installed  a steering stabilizer, replaced the shocks, and reduced my speed to 60-65. These have all helped but i still have my moments.
     One of the othet members,  Paul, if i remember correctly, gave some other places to check but i haven't been able too yet.
   If Paul us not the name of the man who helped me, i apologise, and when i get back to my pc i will look up who it was and acknowledge him properly.
 
   Dale 98 Safari 30' Cat pusher
 
 
Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Dan Bissell dxb0078@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/20/2015 10:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
 
 
 
Dggoldfish, i habe 30' Safari  Sahara, Do You have issues with dog tail wagging when you have a side wind?

-----Original Message-----
From: "dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends]"
Sent: Apr 19, 2015 11:55 AM
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 
 
My dash air is useless. I have to run the lp generator, too.
   I have a spare mounted on a rack above the front bumper.
 
Dale '98 Safari Sahara 30' Cat diesel.
 
 
Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Nautserv@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/19/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
 
 

When I bought my MH 2 years ago, the owner told be that the dash air had a slow leak and that he added  'hot shot' to it right before he was going on a trip and it lasted for weeks and then slowly leaked out.  I have been using the generator while traveling when it is hot, but being that it is LPG, it gets a bit expensive to run it all day.
 
Just curious how many of you have dash ac that actually works....have you converted it to R134a from R12?  How effective is it when you are running or do you still need the roof air?  It seems like there are plenty of opportunities for leaks between the compressor in the rear on the engine and the evaporator all the way up front....hoses with hose clamps to steel pipes...many sections and connections.
 
Second question.....I just replaced all of the tires and kept the best old one for a spare...unmounted.  I was thinking about carrying it with me if I ever get out on the road for any distance and was trying to figure a place to put it....there is a big area under the coach behind the fuel tank and forward of the rear axle that I can sit up it when I am looking around underneath.  Its about 6" too narrow to allow the 19.5 tire to be tucked up there....maybe on an angle somehow, like you see on some tractor trailers.  Any ideas on this one?
 
Thanks, as usual.
 
jon 
 
1992 Safari Serengeti 3450, Cummins/Allison

 
 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 27836 From: Gerry, Ruth Date: 4/22/2015
Subject: Re: Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
Jim,
Maybe you can explain what your rendition on tire pressure has to do with dash air and spare tire storage?
You do have a point but keep in mind we are just trying to help other Safari owners overcome their problems.
Gerry

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 22, 2015, at 2:48 PM, 'Jim Exler' jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Gerry and ‘others’,
 
First, I want to know what the handling of a 30’ coach has to do with the subject line you are posting under; Dash air cond & spare tire storage. This is the main reason people can’t find answers searching the message file.  If you want to discuss an issue, do so under a proper subject line; don’t pirate one that is not relevant for convenience.
 
Now, to the real issue, tire pressure.  The ‘Rules’ state that the tire pressure should be set based on the weight that the tire is carrying. It does not care what kind of suspension is used as long as it is not worn out.
 
A tire properly inflated for its load should have an approximately square footprint.  That means that the shoulder rib of the tread on the ground should be roughly equal to the width of the tire.  Next time you are near a semi tractor, look at his front tires.
 
Running a tire with too much pressure rides mainly on the center ribs but each time you hit a bump the shoulders are forced down and contact the road with a scrubbing action that ends up cupping both sides of the tire.
 
I will post a document I gleaned from a Yokohama tire guide and also a spreadsheet I customized that will provide recommended tire pressures based on the weight on each axle.
 
Jim Exler, Nampa, ID formerly 98 30’ Sahara
 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
 
 

Gentlemen,
I have a 1997 30' Sahara with leaf spring suspension.  I previously posted all of the mods that I dId in an attempt to correct the horrible handling of my unit.  If you missed my posting and need help, look for those previous posts.  The bottom line is that with the leaf spring chassis, the short wheelbase and the excessive weight of the engine, transmission, 6 batteries and generator behind the rear wheels and very little weight on the front end,  you have the recipe for poor handling (unless you have some other major steering/frame malfunction).   The solution is to have a Custom panrod type improvement to the chassis.   You have to lock down the chassis to the house frame. I did both the front and the rear end.  I no longer get blown around and can travel at speeds up to 75 miles keeping the motorhome under control.  Now there is no need to reduce tire pressure.
Gerry

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 21, 2015, at 8:17 PM, 'Mr. G.' prieye@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Out of curiosity... take a string and measure from the center of the front wheel to the center of the rear wheel... then repeat on the opposite side and see if there is any discrepancy in distance between the two sides....
RG  moderator
 

To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 07:24:40 -0500
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage



Dan,   Yes I  have handling issues.I have refuced tire air pressures, installed  a steering stabilizer, replaced the shocks, and reduced my speed to 60-65. These have all helped but i still have my moments.
     One of the othet members,  Paul, if i remember correctly, gave some other places to check but i haven't been able too yet.
   If Paul us not the name of the man who helped me, i apologise, and when i get back to my pc i will look up who it was and acknowledge him properly.
 
   Dale 98 Safari 30' Cat pusher
 
 
Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Dan Bissell dxb0078@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/20/2015 10:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
 
 
 
Dggoldfish, i habe 30' Safari  Sahara, Do You have issues with dog tail wagging when you have a side wind?

-----Original Message-----
From: "dggoldfish dggoldfish@... [Safarifriends]"
Sent: Apr 19, 2015 11:55 AM
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage

 
 
My dash air is useless. I have to run the lp generator, too.
   I have a spare mounted on a rack above the front bumper.
 
Dale '98 Safari Sahara 30' Cat diesel.
 
 
Sent from my Galaxy S®III


-------- Original message --------
From: "Nautserv@... [Safarifriends]"
Date:04/19/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Safarifriends] Dash air conditioning and spare tire storage
 
 

When I bought my MH 2 years ago, the owner told be that the dash air had a slow leak and that he added  'hot shot' to it right before he was going on a trip and it lasted for weeks and then slowly leaked out.  I have been using the generator while traveling when it is hot, but being that it is LPG, it gets a bit expensive to run it all day.
 
Just curious how many of you have dash ac that actually works....have you converted it to R134a from R12?  How effective is it when you are running or do you still need the roof air?  It seems like there are plenty of opportunities for leaks between the compressor in the rear on the engine and the evaporator all the way up front....hoses with hose clamps to steel pipes...many sections and connections.
 
Second question.....I just replaced all of the tires and kept the best old one for a spare...unmounted.  I was thinking about carrying it with me if I ever get out on the road for any distance and was trying to figure a place to put it....there is a big area under the coach behind the fuel tank and forward of the rear axle that I can sit up it when I am looking around underneath.  Its about 6" too narrow to allow the 19.5 tire to be tucked up there....maybe on an angle somehow, like you see on some tractor trailers.  Any ideas on this one?
 
Thanks, as usual.
 
jon 
 
1992 Safari Serengeti 3450, Cummins/Allison

 
 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 28120 From: ejn200040 Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Shocks

I'M due for

 new shocks and looking for input and opinions on brand part#  etc. I have a 2000 Panther 40' with the Magnum C-Series Air Ride Chassis 425 HP.

Ed Nelson

2000 Panther/2014 Focus

Group: Safarifriends Message: 28121 From: TD Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
Ed,

I can't help you on the part number, but Koni adjustable shocks would be the way to go. If your coach tends to bounce and say a lot, then adjust the shocks to the max dampening right from the get go.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:36 PM, ejn200040@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I'M due for

 new shocks and looking for input and opinions on brand part#  etc. I have a 2000 Panther 40' with the Magnum C-Series Air Ride Chassis 425 HP.

Ed Nelson

2000 Panther/2014 Focus




Group: Safarifriends Message: 28123 From: mel96safari Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
I replaced my original Bilsteins for the 1st time 3 years ago at 130,000 miles...(with new Bilsteines).
Mel
'96 Sahara 3530


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <ejn200040@...> wrote :

I'M due for

 new shocks and looking for input and opinions on brand part#  etc. I have a 2000 Panther 40' with the Magnum C-Series Air Ride Chassis 425 HP.

Ed Nelson

2000 Panther/2014 Focus

Group: Safarifriends Message: 28124 From: Rick Rheinlaender Date: 5/20/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
I replaced mine last year with bilsteins  from shock wear house after 80000 miles and it rides much better.  They are not hard to put on just takes the right tools


Sent from my iPad
Rick Rheinlaender
40' safari continental, 2000


On May 20, 2015, at 2:18 PM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I replaced my original Bilsteins for the 1st time 3 years ago at 130,000 miles...(with new Bilsteines).
Mel
'96 Sahara 3530



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <ejn200040@...> wrote :

I'M due for

 new shocks and looking for input and opinions on brand part#  etc. I have a 2000 Panther 40' with the Magnum C-Series Air Ride Chassis 425 HP.

Ed Nelson

2000 Panther/2014 Focus

Group: Safarifriends Message: 28127 From: Conny Culver Date: 5/21/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
We have Koni and have been very pleased. 

Installed by Hendersons Lineup in Grants Pass, OR

Conny
2000 Serengeti Magnum Chassis, 8 Airbags

“With heart and hand let us stand as one today -- one people under God, determined that our future shall be worthy of our past.”
President Ronald Reagan, January 21, 1985















On May 20, 2015, at 9:36 AM, ejn200040@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I'M due for

 new shocks and looking for input and opinions on brand part#  etc. I have a 2000 Panther 40' with the Magnum C-Series Air Ride Chassis 425 HP.

Ed Nelson

2000 Panther/2014 Focus

Group: Safarifriends Message: 28128 From: j_r_ruff Date: 5/21/2015
Subject: Re: Shocks
When people replace their worn shocks, they usually sing the praises of the new shocks no matter what brand they are.  This is usually because the new shocks are always better than the worn out shocks that they replaced.

I my case I replaced all my Bilsteins that were only a year old with Koni Shocks.  I liked them better.

A cheap new shock is always better than an old worn out shock.

John Ruff
96 Safari Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28806 From: staticman4414 Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Factory wheels
I have a 1997 safari serengetti m4040 and it appears to have reasonably thick aluminum wheels on the outside and steel wheels on the inner duels. I took it in for an inspection by a local diesel service shop and they are telling me the lugs are not long enough. They are saying they could not pass it for a DOT inspection because the lugs are so short. This is the way I bought it and I have had no problems but I have no idea if the wheels are stock or have been replaced with thicker ones etc. They are quoting replacing all the studs. Does this seem legit.

Also on the front to hubs I added gear lube until it started to seep out a hole in the middle of a green outer plastic cap. It is now still seeping from this hole. I assume thus means I over filled it. They are glaiming it needs New hub seals. What are your thoughts.

I also adjusted front ride height and replaced bolts with grade 8 bolts since old ones were in poor shape. Pushed inner bolts up from bottom. Ran out of time and asked the. To do rear. They quoted me 3 hours max for that and labor to replace shocks on rear. I thought that was reasonable and told them to do it. After a couple days I went by and they said they were struggling to get the rear realigned and back together. Turns out they replaced all bolts from the top like it was and took shackles apart. Wondering how much they are going to want to charge me.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28807 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: Factory wheels
With respect to the front hubs, the gear lube is supposed to be just between the 2 circular lines you will see on the clear plastic cover. Not up as far as the green plug. The green plug should not have any holes in it. If it leaks you can get new ones at any large auto parts store. They do tend to get old and hard. Not sure what they are talking about on the rear studs. Normally the inner wheel is held on with a nut that has male threads also to accept the outer wheel. Those nuts would normally have enough thread to accept an aluminum wheel. Maybe you need a different shop? Pete '99 Sahara














----- Original Message -----
From: "jconley4414@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 12:31:07 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Factory wheels

I have a 1997 safari serengetti m4040 and it appears to have reasonably thick aluminum wheels on the outside and steel wheels on the inner duels. I took it in for an inspection by a local diesel service shop and they are telling me the lugs are not long enough. They are saying they could not pass it for a DOT inspection because the lugs are so short. This is the way I bought it and I have had no problems but I have no idea if the wheels are stock or have been replaced with thicker ones etc. They are quoting replacing all the studs. Does this seem legit.

Also on the front to hubs I added gear lube until it started to seep out a hole in the middle of a green outer plastic cap. It is now still seeping from this hole. I assume thus means I over filled it. They are glaiming it needs New hub seals. What are your thoughts.

I also adjusted front ride height and replaced bolts with grade 8 bolts since old ones were in poor shape. Pushed inner bolts up from bottom. Ran out of time and asked the. To do rear. They quoted me 3 hours max for that and labor to replace shocks on rear. I thought that was reasonable and told them to do it. After a couple days I went by and they said they were struggling to get the rear realigned and back together. Turns out they replaced all bolts from the top like it was and took shackles apart. Wondering how much they are going to want to charge me.

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Group: Safarifriends Message: 28808 From: Lynken Toyne Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: Factory wheels
The wheels on my coach use what's called a bud wheel. It's a inner stud bolt. That may be what you have. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 25, 2015, at 4:22 PM, 'nanandpete@...' nanandpete@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

With respect to the front hubs, the gear lube is supposed to be just between the 2 circular lines you will see on the clear plastic cover. Not up as far as the green plug. The green plug should not have any holes in it. If it leaks you can get new ones at any large auto parts store. They do tend to get old and hard. Not sure what they are talking about on the rear studs. Normally the inner wheel is held on with a nut that has male threads also to accept the outer wheel. Those nuts would normally have enough thread to accept an aluminum wheel. Maybe you need a different shop? Pete '99 Sahara

----- Original Message -----
From: "jconley4414@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 12:31:07 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Factory wheels

I have a 1997 safari serengetti m4040 and it appears to have reasonably thick aluminum wheels on the outside and steel wheels on the inner duels. I took it in for an inspection by a local diesel service shop and they are telling me the lugs are not long enough. They are saying they could not pass it for a DOT inspection because the lugs are so short. This is the way I bought it and I have had no problems but I have no idea if the wheels are stock or have been replaced with thicker ones etc. They are quoting replacing all the studs. Does this seem legit.

Also on the front to hubs I added gear lube until it started to seep out a hole in the middle of a green outer plastic cap. It is now still seeping from this hole. I assume thus means I over filled it. They are glaiming it needs New hub seals. What are your thoughts.

I also adjusted front ride height and replaced bolts with grade 8 bolts since old ones were in poor shape. Pushed inner bolts up from bottom. Ran out of time and asked the. To do rear. They quoted me 3 hours max for that and labor to replace shocks on rear. I thought that was reasonable and told them to do it. After a couple days I went by and they said they were struggling to get the rear realigned and back together. Turns out they replaced all bolts from the top like it was and took shackles apart. Wondering how much they are going to want to charge me.

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Group: Safarifriends Message: 28809 From: mel96safari Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: Factory wheels
jconley4414
Me thinks someone replaced the original steel wheels on your coach with aluminum wheels.
I had always assumed that the wheel lugs/studs on a steel wheel equipt coach might not be long enough for aluminum wheels.
Apparently I assumed correctly.

You definitely over filled your oil bath hubs!.....(See the full level ring on the hub in the photo here:
http://www.kamtrucking.com/drivers/wheelends_files/oillevel.jpg)

Mel
'96 Sahara

 

---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <jconley4414@...> wrote :

I have a 1997 safari serengetti m4040 and it appears to have reasonably thick aluminum wheels on the outside and steel wheels on the inner duels. I took it in for an inspection by a local diesel service shop and they are telling me the lugs are not long enough. They are saying they could not pass it for a DOT inspection because the lugs are so short. This is the way I bought it and I have had no problems but I have no idea if the wheels are stock or have been replaced with thicker ones etc. They are quoting replacing all the studs. Does this seem legit.

Also on the front to hubs I added gear lube until it started to seep out a hole in the middle of a green outer plastic cap. It is now still seeping from this hole. I assume thus means I over filled it. They are glaiming it needs New hub seals. What are your thoughts.

I also adjusted front ride height and replaced bolts with grade 8 bolts since old ones were in poor shape. Pushed inner bolts up from bottom. Ran out of time and asked the. To do rear. They quoted me 3 hours max for that and labor to replace shocks on rear. I thought that was reasonable and told them to do it. After a couple days I went by and they said they were struggling to get the rear realigned and back together. Turns out they replaced all bolts from the top like it was and took shackles apart. Wondering how much they are going to want to charge me.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 28810 From: Dale Maggio Date: 8/25/2015
Subject: Re: Factory wheels
I had also replaced the front steels with Alcoas. Here's the deal. Yes the studs are too short, but...

Any nut manufacturer will tell you that the nut is not up to rating unless the threads are full. However....

My nuts are 2 threads short of being full. My tire guy, the biggest truck dealer in the county and the one most RV dealers in the outlaying counties send their machines to, says they are going to work just fine. I made the drive from California to Wyoming 2 years ago with no problems. I also survived Sacramento. If anyone wants to test the sturdiness of their coach or see how well the cabinets are attached to the walls, the stretch of I-80 through Sacramento has to be the worst paved Interstate in the Nation. That includes the recently re-done areas.

At some point I will add Alcoas to the rear also and I expect the studs will also be a few threads too short. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

-=Dale=-

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On Tue, 8/25/15, jconley4414@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Safarifriends] Factory wheels
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2015, 12:31 PM

I have a 1997 safari serengetti m4040 and it
appears to have reasonably thick aluminum wheels on the
outside and steel wheels on the inner duels. I took it in
for an inspection by a local diesel service shop and they
are telling me the lugs are not long enough. They are saying
they could not pass it for a DOT inspection because the lugs
are so short. This is the way I bought it and I have had no
problems but I have no idea if the wheels are stock or have
been replaced with thicker ones etc. They are quoting
replacing all the studs. Does this seem legit.



Also on the front to hubs I added gear lube until it started
to seep out a hole in the middle of a green outer plastic
cap. It is now still seeping from this hole. I assume thus
means I over filled it. They are glaiming it needs New hub
seals. What are your thoughts.



I also adjusted front ride height and replaced bolts with
grade 8 bolts since old ones were in poor shape. Pushed
inner bolts up from bottom. Ran out of time and asked the.
To do rear. They quoted me 3 hours max for that and labor to
replace shocks on rear. I thought that was reasonable and
told them to do it. After a couple days I went by and they
said they were struggling to get the rear realigned and back
together. Turns out they replaced all bolts from the top
like it was and took shackles apart. Wondering how much they
are going to want to charge me.









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Group: Safarifriends Message: 29136 From: Gary Adams Date: 10/24/2015
Subject: Suspension Help
Attachments :

    Have a 1998 30’ Safari .. Sahara Edition

    Magnum Chassis with the Velvet Ride

    300 Cat Engine, 161000 miles and one slide

     

    Note: Love our coach (original owner)..(Do not want to trade)

    But…Need to deal with the suspension:

              -Shims removed a few years back

              -Blue-Ox True Center (35270) Installed 2013

              -Koni Shocks (8814585P2 & 8816415P3) Installed 2013

              -Adjusted tire pressure to coach weight

              -Front Weight 6,520Lbs … Back 16,415Lbs

     

              Understand I need to add Front End weight?

              Is there a way to improve or replace the Velvet Ride ?

     

    Thanks … Gary (In The Villages)

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 29137 From: mel96safari Date: 10/24/2015
    Subject: Re: Suspension Help
    Gary
    Because my coach  has the Magunm Blue Steak chassis with the "Eliptiride", (elliptical spring suspension) I'm not familiar with the VelvetRide, (Torsilastic), suspension

    Hopefully someone, (like Brett Wolfe), with a working knowledge of the VelvetRide suspension will reply.

    BTW,
    here's a link to some "Safari Velvet Ride Upgrade" kits.
    http://tinyurl.com/pdumhs2

    Mel
    '96 Sahara


    ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <togaryadams@...> wrote :


    Have a 1998 30’ Safari .. Sahara Edition

    Magnum Chassis with the Velvet Ride

    300 Cat Engine, 161000 miles and one slide

     

    Note: Love our coach (original owner)..(Do not want to trade)

    But…Need to deal with the suspension:

              -Shims removed a few years back

              -Blue-Ox True Center (35270) Installed 2013

              -Koni Shocks (8814585P2 & 8816415P3) Installed 2013

              -Adjusted tire pressure to coach weight

              -Front Weight 6,520Lbs … Back 16,415Lbs

     

              Understand I need to add Front End weight?

              Is there a way to improve or replace the Velvet Ride ?

     

    Thanks … Gary (In The Villages)

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 29183 From: Dean Dugger Date: 10/26/2015
    Subject: Re: Safari Ivory Info

    I wouldn't answer this email, but I feel I owe you my time and experience with this coach. You have been protecting this great county, I feel I owe you! I for one think it is the greatest country, and I am proud of it, Thanks for your service.

     I have a 95 Ivory 37' 300 cummins Velvet ride, Magnum chassis. Almost 100,000 miles, this is a top dollar coach, if you take care of it, they all need lots of TLC?  Safari like most have gone out of business, you can hardly get parts any more, the thing with the ride is to keep up to date maintenance on the suspension, such as adjustable Koni shocks, this is important.

      I do not know, if you have purchased this coach or not, it will only get older until you retire, not good. If I were you and you want air ride suspension and a coach you can get parts for I would choose a Foretravel U320 they are the only coach company that I know of that will go to extremes to get repair parts for your coach, and they have some class. It is a top dollar coach, but you must keep in mind the price of fuel and also it is hard to get shops to work on the rear engine these days? Hope this helps you decide. Feel free to ask more questions, if I can help. Dean  (Thanks for serving)


    From: "tjdnc22@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 8:03:14 PM
    Subject: [Safarifriends] Safari Ivory Info

     

    Greetings to all.  My name is Tom, 65yo and I live in NC.  My parents were very much into RVing so my experience is as a youngster - teenager.  However, I consider myself a "newbie."  My wife is retired and I will retire in about 2 years.  I am retired Army and have seen the world and now we want to see the US.  I can think of no better way than to see it by Motorhome.


    I recently came across a 1997 Safari Ivory, Velvet Ride, Cat 3120 with 48k miles.  The price is most reasonable and it appears to be in great condition.  Are there any other Group members that have experience with the Ivory?  I seek your advice for areas of concern that I should check closely.  I would have the engine and drivetrain checked by a professional.  I have also read a great deal about the Velvet Ride suspension and aware of its short comings.  I have found that there is an airbag system by Super Steer and a Super Trac that can be added to make the ride more comfortable and safe.  Is there anyone that has experience with these systems? 


    I thank you in advance for any direction that you can give.


    Regards,

      Thomas



    Group: Safarifriends Message: 29407 From: gadams0044 Date: 11/23/2015
    Subject: Re: Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara
    Came across your old posting ... also have a 1998 30Ft and love it but (had it since new) ... Would like to add the quad shocks and weight to the front ... can you tell me how it was done .... Many thanks
    Gary Adams ... The Villages, Florida
    ToGaryAdams@...