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Group: Safarifriends Message: 34662 From: Ross Luken Date: 7/14/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari shocks and handling
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34664 From: TD Date: 7/14/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari shocks and handling
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34674 From: TD Date: 7/15/2017
Subject: Re: Koni Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34847 From: Rossluken Date: 7/19/2017
Subject: Shock nut size and handling improvements
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34927 From: Rossluken Date: 7/21/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34931 From: Dog Date: 7/21/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34985 From: Dog Date: 7/24/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35020 From: technolog1 Date: 7/25/2017
Subject: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plus an
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35044 From: Dan Sample Date: 7/25/2017
Subject: Re: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plu
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35046 From: Gary Smith Date: 7/25/2017
Subject: Re: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plu
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35084 From: Jude Casamassa Date: 7/26/2017
Subject: Re: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plu
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35103 From: Craig Burrell Date: 7/27/2017
Subject: Re: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plu
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35206 From: Ross Luken Date: 7/30/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35210 From: Dog Date: 7/31/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35211 From: Dog Date: 7/31/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35464 From: Joe George Date: 8/16/2017
Subject: Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35465 From: Gary Smith Date: 8/16/2017
Subject: Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35466 From: Joe George Date: 8/16/2017
Subject: Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35470 From: John Clevenger Date: 8/16/2017
Subject: Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36385 From: technolog1 Date: 10/15/2017
Subject: Re: Kalahari Question
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36387 From: Dale Maggio Date: 10/15/2017
Subject: Re: Kalahari Question
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36389 From: TD Date: 10/15/2017
Subject: Re: Shocks & bushings for '93 Continental [was] Kalahari Question
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36557 From: slemnah@sbcglobal.net Date: 10/28/2017
Subject: Odd wear on Steer tires
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36559 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/28/2017
Subject: Re: Odd wear on Steer tires
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36568 From: ondaflore Date: 10/29/2017
Subject: Re: Odd wear on Steer tires
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36575 From: TD Date: 10/30/2017
Subject: Re: Odd wear on Steer tires
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36656 From: TD Date: 11/7/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36667 From: technolog1 Date: 11/8/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36668 From: Bridget and Gerald Date: 11/8/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36669 From: TD Date: 11/8/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
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Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36672 From: technolog1 Date: 11/9/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36673 From: TD Date: 11/9/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36674 From: Dale Maggio Date: 11/9/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36676 From: Dale Maggio Date: 11/9/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36698 From: Bill Edwards Date: 11/9/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36707 From: Dale Maggio Date: 11/9/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36728 From: somedaysoonltd Date: 11/10/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
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Subject: Re: Koni part #s
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Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36732 From: Bill Edwards Date: 11/11/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
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Subject: Re: Koni part #s
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Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36738 From: TD Date: 11/11/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36756 From: technolog1 Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36762 From: trekker01@gmail.com Date: 11/13/2017
Subject: Re: Koni part #s
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36803 From: TD Date: 11/20/2017
Subject: Re: Drop $7K
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36812 From: Dale Maggio Date: 11/21/2017
Subject: Re: Drop $7K
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Subject: Re: Drop $7K
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37331 From: Ken Bates Date: 1/3/2018
Subject: front shocks



Group: Safarifriends Message: 34662 From: Ross Luken Date: 7/14/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari shocks and handling
John,
Good idea! I am sure they can program the transmission to do just about anything. And after 17 years there may even be some sort of update to the programming.

I am planning in taking in for an oil change and service the first time just to have everything looked over I will ask about it then. After that I will be doing it myself, I just need to find an oil pan that will hold 30qts if oil. To bad it will not fit in my lift.

Ross

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On Jul 14, 2017, at 1:19 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Ross,

I forgot to mention about your concern of the pac brake stressing your horses or mushing their noses.
For about $50 you can have Allison reprogram the pac brake pre-select to 6th or 5th gear, instead or 2nd or 4th that is common. This way you would use you down arrow on the shift pad and control the downshifts your self so they would not be as rapid and harsh. It would also make life a lot smoother when going down long steep grades, because you would pick the gear that hold your coach and not have the rapid downshifting each time you activate the brake.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd. 

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:42 AM, 'Ross Luken' rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,
I ordered two shocks for the front based on the recommendations of  others, I guess if need be I could add a second set if there an issue since I have the hardware. I did in fact order the wrong part number but changed it to the one you gave me (fyi the link you sent pulls up the incorrect part number as well). I did see that Koni in now making a 99 shock that they say is better than the 88 shocks, do you know anything about them? https://www. ultrarvproducts.com/Koni-EVO- 99B-3254-Country-Coach- Freightliner-Neway-IFS-Front- Spartan-Summit-Alpine-Front.

I weighted the coach on my way back from CA, with full fuel, almost full water and a full LP tank it was around 7500lbs in the front and 1550lbs in the rear. I have not see a 4 wheel scale but I will keep looking, I am guessing my car scales will not work.  I was looking this morning and it looks pretty straight forward if I wanted to add more weight to the front, a few steel plates bolted or welded to the frame. This may come into play more I start towing with it. I think it will that some trial and error depending how much tongue weight I end up with. 

The tires unfortunately are 7 years old Toyos. I was  told they were 4 years old when I flew out to look at it but the date codes don't lie. They are in great shape and were always covered when not in use. My plan is to change out the steer axle tires this year and change the rears next year. I have a good connection with a company that does a ton of semi tires so I am going to talk with them. 

I am in just a little west of Minneapolis MN.

Ross 

On 7/13/2017 7:25:11 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Ross,

Did you order the correct shock number for the front??? If not have it changed to the correct one. These shocks are not cheap and unless you order that specific shock, you will be wasting your money. Did you order two or four shocks for the front?
As for the shock setting, the come from the factory set at least dampening. If you are changing out all four, leave it at the factory setting, if you are only going to use two up front, and the roads you will be traveling are rough, then set it to maximum dampening.

Have your ride height checked and adjusted if needed before you take it to get aligned. Have them check over the king pins and the steering gear box. They need to make sure the wheels return to center easily and freely while the engine is running and while it's off. With all the goodies already upgraded for your suspension, that is that much less money you will have to spend out of your pocket, and they are good helpful products.
Have your coach weight fully loaded as in tanks full and all your traveling stuff including family loaded on your coach. If possible have all four corners weighed separately. This way you can balance your coach and inflate the tires properly according to weight. If you do need to adjust your ride height, you don't need to take your wheels off to do that. Look in the files section, there are two different detailed files that explain how to do this procedure.

Be sure to check the date codes on your tires to know how old they are, it doesn't matter how nice the look or how deep the tread is, they age out around 7 to 8 years depending on the climate your in and on the brand.

As for breaks, if the coach sat for a while the rotors could be rusted over, which will give you that ineffective feel, also your caliper sliders could be seized. I just posted pad and rotor part numbers for another member, so be sure to write them down, as they are the same for your coach.
BTW, if your power assist was not working, it would take two feet on your brake padel and two hands pulling on the steering wheel with all your might and prayers to boot to try to stop the coach. That happened a few years back to one of our group members. Was not a good experience...

Slightly larger tools? Lol. Yup, a one inch drive impact gun will help. Don't for get the left wheels are left hand thread and are marked with an L.

What region of the country are you in?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd. 

 

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, 'Ross Luken' rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John, 
Thanks for the helpful information! I have the Koni shocks on order and I hopefully will see them next week. It looks like you need to adjust them before you install them, I am guessing I would set them at stiffer setting?   I have an alignment scheduled for next week so I am interested to see what the number come up as. I am pretty sure that the coach is riding too low since all of the shims are in place but I need to find a level parking lot to verify that. It looks pretty easy to adjust the ride height so I may tackle that this weekend.  

At one point someone  (first owners) some money trying to make make the coach handle better with the quad shocks, Tiger traks and the steering stabilizer so I am guessing that it just out of adjustment or possibly a few worn out components. I would imagine that most of the components like steering box are standard medium duty truck parts and are pretty easy to source? 

After the handling I need to work on the brakes. I just don't feel like I am getting the power assist like I should and it pulls a little to the right. Looks like I'll have to invest in some larger tools and jacks to work on this thing, everything is slightly larger than my race car which is Mazda Miata. 

Ross

On 7/13/2017 10:48:00 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Ross,

If you are going to get new shocks go with the Koni shocks (make sure you order by part number not make of coach). As far as socks go for these VelvetRide suspensions, trying other brands is a waste of time and money. The Koni shocks with the specific part number for the front was heavily researched by the late Ralph Andrews (owner of Pioneer Metal Works), and it is the shock that best improves ride quality, getting rid of swaying and porpoising, to the point where you don't need a quad shock setup in the front.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

As mentioned before, these coaches are very light in the front, coupled with front tires being over or under inflated, these coaches will really wander  and the tail will wag the dog. That said, have your front end/suspension and ride height (25") checked. Pay particular attention to king pins, steering box and shackles for wear/looseness. Proper Caster adjustment is key to good handling. It is also possible that there could be hidden issues with the the steering gear box. I just recently heard of one with steering/handling issues. The culprit was consealed and very difficult to pin point, it was finally discovered in the steering box. No play in the box, but due to internal seals swelling and restricting flow, the steering would not return properly when under hydraulic pressure (system running), but seemed fine when engine was off, which is how the shops normally check the steering play or binding. A rebuild of the steering box resolved the issue and now the coach steers and handles really well. The symptoms were: wondering, hard to keep coach in lane, very sensitive to wind, etc. The coach was aligned, with increased caster, before the steering box issue was discovered. The increased caster helped, but the issue still persisted. The shop theorized that someone might have put power steering sealer in the system, causing the seals to swell.
This is another thing to add to the check list when one has steering issues. 

Here are the revised VelvetRide alignment specs:

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster
(4.5 absolute minimum. If coach tends to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred, 6.5 deg. max)
 If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +1 degree more can be increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable, unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need adjustment)

.125  to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road .25" is preferred)


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
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I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 











Group: Safarifriends Message: 34664 From: TD Date: 7/14/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari shocks and handling
Ross,

Just cut of the last 8 or 12 inches from the bottom of a 55 gal drum and wallah, you have yourself a nice heavy duty 30qt oil pan. You can do the same with the top and have two pans. I think Allison probably does it automatically, but just in case, make sure to specify Transynd transmission fluid, its the best stuff for those Allinsons.

As for the 99 series Koni shock. I don't know anything about them and Koni no longer publishes the detailed specs of each shock that the use to. This info even included dampening rates, it was very useful. All I can say is the 88 series in the particular part number mentioned, work really well, especially for the price. I don't have the budget to experiment on a $200 shock. I think you will be very pleased with the Konis, but I do recommend changing the rear shocks also, as those monro shocks in the rear will bounce like crazy. When you will look at your rear view camera, it will look like your toad or your trailer is bopping up and down as your drive along.

BTW, considering how short your coach is and the potential handling issue, if you do intend to tow a heavy trailer, do consider the trailer toad that Bill Edwards talked about. Odds are, you can find a nice used one for a fraction of the price of a new one.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Ross Luken rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,
Good idea! I am sure they can program the transmission to do just about anything. And after 17 years there may even be some sort of update to the programming.

I am planning in taking in for an oil change and service the first time just to have everything looked over I will ask about it then. After that I will be doing it myself, I just need to find an oil pan that will hold 30qts if oil. To bad it will not fit in my lift.

Ross

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On Jul 14, 2017, at 1:19 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
 

Ross,

I forgot to mention about your concern of the pac brake stressing your horses or mushing their noses.
For about $50 you can have Allison reprogram the pac brake pre-select to 6th or 5th gear, instead or 2nd or 4th that is common. This way you would use you down arrow on the shift pad and control the downshifts your self so they would not be as rapid and harsh. It would also make life a lot smoother when going down long steep grades, because you would pick the gear that hold your coach and not have the rapid downshifting each time you activate the brake.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd. 

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:42 AM, 'Ross Luken' rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John,
I ordered two shocks for the front based on the recommendations of  others, I guess if need be I could add a second set if there an issue since I have the hardware. I did in fact order the wrong part number but changed it to the one you gave me (fyi the link you sent pulls up the incorrect part number as well). I did see that Koni in now making a 99 shock that they say is better than the 88 shocks, do you know anything about them? https://www.ultrarvproducts. com/Koni-EVO-99B-3254-Country- Coach-Freightliner-Neway-IFS- Front-Spartan-Summit-Alpine- Front.

I weighted the coach on my way back from CA, with full fuel, almost full water and a full LP tank it was around 7500lbs in the front and 1550lbs in the rear. I have not see a 4 wheel scale but I will keep looking, I am guessing my car scales will not work.  I was looking this morning and it looks pretty straight forward if I wanted to add more weight to the front, a few steel plates bolted or welded to the frame. This may come into play more I start towing with it. I think it will that some trial and error depending how much tongue weight I end up with. 

The tires unfortunately are 7 years old Toyos. I was  told they were 4 years old when I flew out to look at it but the date codes don't lie. They are in great shape and were always covered when not in use. My plan is to change out the steer axle tires this year and change the rears next year. I have a good connection with a company that does a ton of semi tires so I am going to talk with them. 

I am in just a little west of Minneapolis MN.

Ross 

On 7/13/2017 7:25:11 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Ross,

Did you order the correct shock number for the front??? If not have it changed to the correct one. These shocks are not cheap and unless you order that specific shock, you will be wasting your money. Did you order two or four shocks for the front?
As for the shock setting, the come from the factory set at least dampening. If you are changing out all four, leave it at the factory setting, if you are only going to use two up front, and the roads you will be traveling are rough, then set it to maximum dampening.

Have your ride height checked and adjusted if needed before you take it to get aligned. Have them check over the king pins and the steering gear box. They need to make sure the wheels return to center easily and freely while the engine is running and while it's off. With all the goodies already upgraded for your suspension, that is that much less money you will have to spend out of your pocket, and they are good helpful products.
Have your coach weight fully loaded as in tanks full and all your traveling stuff including family loaded on your coach. If possible have all four corners weighed separately. This way you can balance your coach and inflate the tires properly according to weight. If you do need to adjust your ride height, you don't need to take your wheels off to do that. Look in the files section, there are two different detailed files that explain how to do this procedure.

Be sure to check the date codes on your tires to know how old they are, it doesn't matter how nice the look or how deep the tread is, they age out around 7 to 8 years depending on the climate your in and on the brand.

As for breaks, if the coach sat for a while the rotors could be rusted over, which will give you that ineffective feel, also your caliper sliders could be seized. I just posted pad and rotor part numbers for another member, so be sure to write them down, as they are the same for your coach.
BTW, if your power assist was not working, it would take two feet on your brake padel and two hands pulling on the steering wheel with all your might and prayers to boot to try to stop the coach. That happened a few years back to one of our group members. Was not a good experience...

Slightly larger tools? Lol. Yup, a one inch drive impact gun will help. Don't for get the left wheels are left hand thread and are marked with an L.

What region of the country are you in?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd. 

 

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, 'Ross Luken' rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John, 
Thanks for the helpful information! I have the Koni shocks on order and I hopefully will see them next week. It looks like you need to adjust them before you install them, I am guessing I would set them at stiffer setting?   I have an alignment scheduled for next week so I am interested to see what the number come up as. I am pretty sure that the coach is riding too low since all of the shims are in place but I need to find a level parking lot to verify that. It looks pretty easy to adjust the ride height so I may tackle that this weekend.  

At one point someone  (first owners) some money trying to make make the coach handle better with the quad shocks, Tiger traks and the steering stabilizer so I am guessing that it just out of adjustment or possibly a few worn out components. I would imagine that most of the components like steering box are standard medium duty truck parts and are pretty easy to source? 

After the handling I need to work on the brakes. I just don't feel like I am getting the power assist like I should and it pulls a little to the right. Looks like I'll have to invest in some larger tools and jacks to work on this thing, everything is slightly larger than my race car which is Mazda Miata. 

Ross

On 7/13/2017 10:48:00 AM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

Ross,

If you are going to get new shocks go with the Koni shocks (make sure you order by part number not make of coach). As far as socks go for these VelvetRide suspensions, trying other brands is a waste of time and money. The Koni shocks with the specific part number for the front was heavily researched by the late Ralph Andrews (owner of Pioneer Metal Works), and it is the shock that best improves ride quality, getting rid of swaying and porpoising, to the point where you don't need a quad shock setup in the front.

Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need.

Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.

As mentioned before, these coaches are very light in the front, coupled with front tires being over or under inflated, these coaches will really wander  and the tail will wag the dog. That said, have your front end/suspension and ride height (25") checked. Pay particular attention to king pins, steering box and shackles for wear/looseness. Proper Caster adjustment is key to good handling. It is also possible that there could be hidden issues with the the steering gear box. I just recently heard of one with steering/handling issues. The culprit was consealed and very difficult to pin point, it was finally discovered in the steering box. No play in the box, but due to internal seals swelling and restricting flow, the steering would not return properly when under hydraulic pressure (system running), but seemed fine when engine was off, which is how the shops normally check the steering play or binding. A rebuild of the steering box resolved the issue and now the coach steers and handles really well. The symptoms were: wondering, hard to keep coach in lane, very sensitive to wind, etc. The coach was aligned, with increased caster, before the steering box issue was discovered. The increased caster helped, but the issue still persisted. The shop theorized that someone might have put power steering sealer in the system, causing the seals to swell.
This is another thing to add to the check list when one has steering issues. 

Here are the revised VelvetRide alignment specs:

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster
(4.5 absolute minimum. If coach tends to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred, 6.5 deg. max)
 If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +1 degree more can be increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable, unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need adjustment)

.125  to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road .25" is preferred)


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM, rossluken@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
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I am happy to say that I am the pound new owner of a 2000 32’ Safari Sahara. I found it in Sacramento Ca and I flew out there Thursday to look at it, and ended up driving it back to MN over the weekend (1900 miles).  I am glad to say the everything went pretty smoothly except A water temp light coming on at the top of two passes, which I am not super worried about as it was 108 outside and I may have been pushing harder than I should have.

But after my maiden voyage I have a few question that hopefully you may be able to help answer.

Suspension: The steering feels pretty lose and the shocks feel like they need to be replaced. On some roads the crown in the roads could turn into quite the battle to keep it on the road. After about 500 miles I stopped and added more air to the tires (they were at 85 hot and I went to 100 hot) and that seem to make it a little better but still a challenge. What are some things that I should be looking for to help correct this?  It has a track bar set up on it and Monroe shocks (4 in front 2 in rear). What brand shocks would you recommend? I was looking at the bilstein as I have good luck with them on my dually. I am not looking for the best ride just better handling? Would ride height play into the handling as well? Where would I find the correct number?

Seatbelts: I did not find any seat belts under the couch in the slide out. Can I add them? My 7 year old will need to have something.  

Trailer brake controller: I need to install a trailer brake controller, does anyone know if they come prewired for one?

Brakes: The brakes seem like you have to press the pedal pretty had to get the brakes to bite, this is different than other medium duty trucks that I have driven. Could this be normal or could a booster be going out? The brakes work just have more of a manual brake feel.   The Pace brake works great, almost too well in some cases as it downshifts very hard in to a lower gear, almost feels like it drops two gears.  Maybe this is something that could be change with programming? I worry that with trailer with a horse that this could cause issue.

 

Awning adjustment: The awning does not close all of the way, so you have to use the hand crank for the last 1” or 2”. Is there an adjustment for this?

 

I really like my new motorhome and quality is outstanding for something that 17 years old, I can see why these have a good following! And this group is great. I have been reading as much as I can for the past few weeks. Knowing that there is a strong community of Safari owners factored into my decision to get one.  And I pasted 3 (if not more) this weekend long I-80!

Thanks for any information. We have a first family trip planned in 2 weeks and I am ready to start prepping for it.  

Ross

 














Group: Safarifriends Message: 34674 From: TD Date: 7/15/2017
Subject: Re: Koni Shocks
Pete,

If it works that well, why mess with it?

As for drag links, I'm pretty sure someone posted recently various part numbers for different companies including Moog. NAPA's NCP line is as good as Moog, so if you can't get Moog, go with NCP.

I'm glad to hear that the shocks improved things for you.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Pete Judd kd7lmq@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


After 2 camping trips and over 400 miles what a dif.  I set them on the most stiff, and I think I will back them off one notch. No more pushing me out of the lane when a semi passes.

Still need the moog part number for the drag link ends.

Pete
95 ivroy
8.3 cummings velvet ride 38 ft.



Group: Safarifriends Message: 34847 From: Rossluken Date: 7/19/2017
Subject: Shock nut size and handling improvements
My new shocks will be here tomorrow and i am going to try to install them tomorrow night. Does anyone happen to know what bsize the nuts are? I have some fairly large wrenchs but it would be great to pick up a sockets. I forget to go out and measure before it got dark.

So far I have adjusted my ride hieght, which was 1" low on the driver's front and 3/4" lownon the front passenger side. It made some Improvement in the handling. I also has a shop do an alignment today and d look over the the front end. It was toed out by about an 1/8th, now it is about 1/4' toed in. Camber was good and the caster was at 5.5 at 10 degrees and 5.0 at 15 degrees. They did find that the driver side tiger track Rod bushings where lose, I am going to call then tomorrow fo replacements.

Overall an improvement in handling but not as much as I had hoped. Next step is the shocks, I'll let you know what Improvement is see from them. If it is not significant I may be installing the air bag kit.

I will update my original post once bi get the shocks on.

Thanks
Ross
2000 32' Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 34927 From: Rossluken Date: 7/21/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling
I wanted to post an update in this thread about what I have done to improve the handling of my Safari. 

First I adjusted the ride height, the rears were both at 25", the drivers front was at 23 3/4" and the Passenger's side was 24 1/4". They are all at 25" now give or take 1/4". It was a pretty straight forward job other then a few messed up threads which I repaired using a small hacksaw blade. The handling improved about 15%

Second step was to have an alignment done. The front was toed out slightly and is now set to a strong 1/8" toed in. Caster was set at 5.5 at 10 degrees and 5 at 15 degrees The improvement in handling was about 10% better

Third I replaced the rear shocks with Koni's SP3's set on full stiff. It was an easy swap and took about 30 to do. The ride isfirmer in the rear which I sort of like, but the handling improvement was 30% better.

Forth I replaced the front shocks with the newest Koni's. This turned out to be a challenging project since it had quad shocks on it before. The double shock mount was welded to the stock mount and I didn't want to cut them off and possibly weaken the mount. So I ended up mounting the new shocks in the second position which is about 4" rearward from the stock mount. The hole in the mount was a 1" hole and shocks have a 3/4" hole so I installed some bronze bushings that I found and used 3/4" grade 8 hardware. I did have to uses a few washers as spacers since the shock would hit the mount.  One benefit of moving them reward is that I am able to turn shaper (maybe 8-10 degrees) as the steering arm was hitting the old shock set up. The handling improvement with changing the fronts is about 35% 

So with all of this I would say that it handles 90% better than it did when I picked it up. 

The last thing I want to look at is the Safe T Plus that is mounted on it. With the wheels in the air I feel about 1/2 of play in the wheels when I move them side to side. At first I thought it was a steering part but on further inspection it was moving that much before the Safe T would engage. I don't know if this is normal or not? Maybe its an adjustment or it could be worn out? I need to do some more research on how it is supposed to work. 

I plan on taking a long day trip in it this weekend to verify my results on different types of roads, but so far so good.

Ross
2000 Safari Saharia 32'

Group: Safarifriends Message: 34931 From: Dog Date: 7/21/2017
Subject: Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

Ross

I also have a 2002 safari Zanzibar and I also put the Koni shock on my rig. But I also installed air bags and that made a great difference in the ride and handling.

 

Dave

2002 Safari Zanibar

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:32 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Pround New Owner of a 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

 

 

I wanted to post an update in this thread about what I have done to improve the handling of my Safari. 

 

First I adjusted the ride height, the rears were both at 25", the drivers front was at 23 3/4" and the Passenger's side was 24 1/4". They are all at 25" now give or take 1/4". It was a pretty straight forward job other then a few messed up threads which I repaired using a small hacksaw blade. The handling improved about 15%

 

Second step was to have an alignment done. The front was toed out slightly and is now set to a strong 1/8" toed in. Caster was set at 5.5 at 10 degrees and 5 at 15 degrees The improvement in handling was about 10% better

 

Third I replaced the rear shocks with Koni's SP3's set on full stiff. It was an easy swap and took about 30 to do. The ride isfirmer in the rear which I sort of like, but the handling improvement was 30% better.

 

Forth I replaced the front shocks with the newest Koni's. This turned out to be a challenging project since it had quad shocks on it before. The double shock mount was welded to the stock mount and I didn't want to cut them off and possibly weaken the mount. So I ended up mounting the new shocks in the second position which is about 4" rearward from the stock mount. The hole in the mount was a 1" hole and shocks have a 3/4" hole so I installed some bronze bushings that I found and used 3/4" grade 8 hardware. I did have to uses a few washers as spacers since the shock would hit the mount.  One benefit of moving them reward is that I am able to turn shaper (maybe 8-10 degrees) as the steering arm was hitting the old shock set up. The handling improvement with changing the fronts is about 35% 

 

So with all of this I would say that it handles 90% better than it did when I picked it up. 

 

The last thing I want to look at is the Safe T Plus that is mounted on it. With the wheels in the air I feel about 1/2 of play in the wheels when I move them side to side. At first I thought it was a steering part but on further inspection it was moving that much before the Safe T would engage. I don't know if this is normal or not? Maybe its an adjustment or it could be worn out? I need to do some more research on how it is supposed to work. 

 

I plan on taking a long day trip in it this weekend to verify my results on different types of roads, but so far so good.

 

Ross

2000 Safari Saharia 32'

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 34985 From: Dog Date: 7/24/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

Ross

I bought mine at 

   http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/suspension-air-bags

 

Dave

2002 safari zanzibar

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:44 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

 

 

Dave,

Where did you get your air bag set up? It may be something that I do in the future, but it feels pretty good so far.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 35020 From: technolog1 Date: 7/25/2017
Subject: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plus an

just bought a nice one and would like to ask question to people with one. I need shocks, rear sway bar bushings,. what ac belt it needs, coolant sytem hoses, and any manuals you may have. I will pay to have scanned or buy outright.

also the dash button lights do not light up. anyone know what fuse or anything about why.

Thanks.

Mr.b

1993 safari continental 250 hp and 6sp.


Group: Safarifriends Message: 35044 From: Dan Sample Date: 7/25/2017
Subject: Re: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plu
I'd split the cost of scanning.
Dan Sample



From: "technolog1@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:51 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plus any one has one would like to talk to.



just bought a nice one and would like to ask question to people with one. I need shocks, rear sway bar bushings,. what ac belt it needs, coolant sytem hoses, and any manuals you may have. I will pay to have scanned or buy outright.
also the dash button lights do not light up. anyone know what fuse or anything about why.
Thanks.
Mr.b
1993 safari continental 250 hp and 6sp.






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Group: Safarifriends Message: 35046 From: Gary Smith Date: 7/25/2017
Subject: Re: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plu



A guess on the dash lights, but on both my Safari coaches one of the rocker switches actually turns on the lights for all the other rocker switches.  On my Sahara it is the top left hand switch and has a symbol on it that kinda looks like a rheostat.

For the parts issues, it might help to know what chassis is under your Continental and what Cummins engine it has, however the radiator and hoses were separately purchased by SMC to add to the engine, so you may have to remove a hose and take it to your local NAPA or other auto parts store to match up to their catalog based on shape and size.  Likewise for anything associated with the alternator (belt), as the engine came without an alternator.

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:51 PM, technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

just bought a nice one and would like to ask question to people with one. I need shocks, rear sway bar bushings,. what ac belt it needs, coolant sytem hoses, and any manuals you may have. I will pay to have scanned or buy outright.

also the dash button lights do not light up. anyone know what fuse or anything about why.

Thanks.

Mr.b

1993 safari continental 250 hp and 6sp.





--
Gary Smith
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35084 From: Jude Casamassa Date: 7/26/2017
Subject: Re: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plu
I'll  pay for scanning . If you have any manuals. Please


On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 




A guess on the dash lights, but on both my Safari coaches one of the rocker switches actually turns on the lights for all the other rocker switches.  On my Sahara it is the top left hand switch and has a symbol on it that kinda looks like a rheostat.

For the parts issues, it might help to know what chassis is under your Continental and what Cummins engine it has, however the radiator and hoses were separately purchased by SMC to add to the engine, so you may have to remove a hose and take it to your local NAPA or other auto parts store to match up to their catalog based on shape and size.  Likewise for anything associated with the alternator (belt), as the engine came without an alternator.

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:51 PM, technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

just bought a nice one and would like to ask question to people with one. I need shocks, rear sway bar bushings,. what ac belt it needs, coolant sytem hoses, and any manuals you may have. I will pay to have scanned or buy outright.

also the dash button lights do not light up. anyone know what fuse or anything about why.

Thanks.

Mr.b

1993 safari continental 250 hp and 6sp.





--
Gary Smith
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35103 From: Craig Burrell Date: 7/27/2017
Subject: Re: 1993 safafi continental owners manual and or chassas manual. plu
I thank you and will ck for that switch. I figured that is what I would have to do for the hoses 


On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 




A guess on the dash lights, but on both my Safari coaches one of the rocker switches actually turns on the lights for all the other rocker switches.  On my Sahara it is the top left hand switch and has a symbol on it that kinda looks like a rheostat.

For the parts issues, it might help to know what chassis is under your Continental and what Cummins engine it has, however the radiator and hoses were separately purchased by SMC to add to the engine, so you may have to remove a hose and take it to your local NAPA or other auto parts store to match up to their catalog based on shape and size.  Likewise for anything associated with the alternator (belt), as the engine came without an alternator.

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:51 PM, technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

just bought a nice one and would like to ask question to people with one. I need shocks, rear sway bar bushings,. what ac belt it needs, coolant sytem hoses, and any manuals you may have. I will pay to have scanned or buy outright.

also the dash button lights do not light up. anyone know what fuse or anything about why.

Thanks.

Mr.b

1993 safari continental 250 hp and 6sp.





--
Gary Smith
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35206 From: Ross Luken Date: 7/30/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling
Dave,
Did they have annair bag kit or did you put together our own? How many bags per side do you have? Henderson's sells a kit but its $2,600.

We did our first trip towing the horses, and it went pretty well. My wife wasn't too happy with the stiff ride of the new shock so I am thinking about the air bags.

Ross
2000 Sahara 32'

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On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:37 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Ross

I bought mine at 

   http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/suspension-air-bags

 

Dave

2002 safari zanzibar

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:44 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

 

 

Dave,

Where did you get your air bag set up? It may be something that I do in the future, but it feels pretty good so far.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 35210 From: Dog Date: 7/31/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

Ross

  I bought the Hellwig  6400 kit and did some mod on the brackets. Bill  was a great help with making the mod on the brackets.

 

Dave

2002 safari Zanaibar

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:06 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

 

 

Dave,

Did they have annair bag kit or did you put together our own? How many bags per side do you have? Henderson's sells a kit but its $2,600.

We did our first trip towing the horses, and it went pretty well. My wife wasn't too happy with the stiff ride of the new shock so I am thinking about the air bags.

Ross

2000 Sahara 32'

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On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:37 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ross

I bought mine at 

   http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/suspension-air-bags

 

Dave

2002 safari zanzibar

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:44 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

 

 

Dave,

Where did you get your air bag set up? It may be something that I do in the future, but it feels pretty good so far.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 35211 From: Dog Date: 7/31/2017
Subject: Re: 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

Ross

 

1 bag on each side in the front and 2 on each side in the back

 

Dave

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:06 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

 

 

Dave,

Did they have annair bag kit or did you put together our own? How many bags per side do you have? Henderson's sells a kit but its $2,600.

We did our first trip towing the horses, and it went pretty well. My wife wasn't too happy with the stiff ride of the new shock so I am thinking about the air bags.

Ross

2000 Sahara 32'

Sent from BlueMail

On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:37 AM, "'Dog' dlswood@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Ross

I bought mine at 

   http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/suspension-air-bags

 

Dave

2002 safari zanzibar

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:44 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] 2000 32' Safari! Shocks and handling

 

 

Dave,

Where did you get your air bag set up? It may be something that I do in the future, but it feels pretty good so far.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 35464 From: Joe George Date: 8/16/2017
Subject: Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
Joe,

I just called Pioneer Metal and was informed they only have bushing set for the Velvet Ride suspension.  I don't have Velvet Ride (I don't think) as I have shocks on my Safari.  However I noticed in your signature block you have a 1996 Safari Sahara so either I do have Velvet Ride or I didn't describe what I needed well when I called Pioneer Metal.  Can you confirm what you purchased from Pioneer Metal?

thanks,

Joe/1997 Sahara/3550/300 




From: "Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 
John,

I just replaced the front sway bar bushings on my 96 sahara and my sway bar was quite rusted under the middle bushings so I removed the entire sway bar, sanded it down and painted it and replaced the center bushing (as well as the end bushings) with the set from Pioneer Metal.   If the center bushings are still good you may want to consider removing them anyway and doing some rust removal/preventative maintence there.

Joe Burch
96 Safari Sahara
St Augustine



From: "'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 
I took the old one to NAPA  and he gave me eight new one, was PIA to put back on; as the old were total worn down and had to use a jacks to move the sway bar. JohnC
 
 
96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
2015 TJ/Fusion
(O) I I I I I I I (O)
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 4:37 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
 
 
Where did you find the bushings?  Web site/part number/etc...
 
Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550 300 
 
 

From: "'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yah oogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
 
 
If the bushing are not tight you need to replace them, I did that last year too! JohnC
 
96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
2015 TJ/Fusion
(O) I I I I I I I (O)
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:44 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
 
 
No, that is NOT correct.

The bushings (polyurethane is superior to rubber here) should be under slight tension/ very slightly compressed.

If there is any play or slack, the bar will do nothing to control sway.
 




Group: Safarifriends Message: 35465 From: Gary Smith Date: 8/16/2017
Subject: Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
Joe,
Both suspension types use shock absorbers.  Does yours use leaf springs up front (and rear),   Both chassis are Magnum, but different types of suspension systems. 

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT w/Velvetride

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Joe George jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Joe,

I just called Pioneer Metal and was informed they only have bushing set for the Velvet Ride suspension.  I don't have Velvet Ride (I don't think) as I have shocks on my Safari.  However I noticed in your signature block you have a 1996 Safari Sahara so either I do have Velvet Ride or I didn't describe what I needed well when I called Pioneer Metal.  Can you confirm what you purchased from Pioneer Metal?

thanks,

Joe/1997 Sahara/3550/300 




From: "Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com " <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 
John,

I just replaced the front sway bar bushings on my 96 sahara and my sway bar was quite rusted under the middle bushings so I removed the entire sway bar, sanded it down and painted it and replaced the center bushing (as well as the end bushings) with the set from Pioneer Metal.   If the center bushings are still good you may want to consider removing them anyway and doing some rust removal/preventative maintence there.

Joe Burch
96 Safari Sahara
St Augustine



From: "'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 
I took the old one to NAPA  and he gave me eight new one, was PIA to put back on; as the old were total worn down and had to use a jacks to move the sway bar. JohnC
 
 
96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
2015 TJ/Fusion
(O) I I I I I I I (O)
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 4:37 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
 
 
Where did you find the bushings?  Web site/part number/etc...
 
Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550 300 
 
 

From: "'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: Safarifriends@yah oogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
 
 
If the bushing are not tight you need to replace them, I did that last year too! JohnC
 
96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
2015 TJ/Fusion
(O) I I I I I I I (O)
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:44 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
 
 
No, that is NOT correct.

The bushings (polyurethane is superior to rubber here) should be under slight tension/ very slightly compressed.

If there is any play or slack, the bar will do nothing to control sway.
 







--
Gary Smith
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35466 From: Joe George Date: 8/16/2017
Subject: Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
I will confirm tonight but I am pretty sure I have springs.

Joe/1997 Sahara/3550/300 

From: "Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 
Joe,
Both suspension types use shock absorbers.  Does yours use leaf springs up front (and rear),   Both chassis are Magnum, but different types of suspension systems. 

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT w/Velvetride

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Joe George jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Joe,

I just called Pioneer Metal and was informed they only have bushing set for the Velvet Ride suspension.  I don't have Velvet Ride (I don't think) as I have shocks on my Safari.  However I noticed in your signature block you have a 1996 Safari Sahara so either I do have Velvet Ride or I didn't describe what I needed well when I called Pioneer Metal.  Can you confirm what you purchased from Pioneer Metal?

thanks,

Joe/1997 Sahara/3550/300 




From: "Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com " <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 
John,

I just replaced the front sway bar bushings on my 96 sahara and my sway bar was quite rusted under the middle bushings so I removed the entire sway bar, sanded it down and painted it and replaced the center bushing (as well as the end bushings) with the set from Pioneer Metal.   If the center bushings are still good you may want to consider removing them anyway and doing some rust removal/preventative maintence there.

Joe Burch
96 Safari Sahara
St Augustine



From: "'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 
I took the old one to NAPA  and he gave me eight new one, was PIA to put back on; as the old were total worn down and had to use a jacks to move the sway bar. JohnC
 
 
96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
2015 TJ/Fusion
(O) I I I I I I I (O)
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 4:37 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
 
 
Where did you find the bushings?  Web site/part number/etc...
 
Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550 300 
 
 

From: "'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: Safarifriends@yah oogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
 
 
If the bushing are not tight you need to replace them, I did that last year too! JohnC
 
96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat
2015 TJ/Fusion
(O) I I I I I I I (O)
 
From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@ yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:44 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar
 
 
No, that is NOT correct.

The bushings (polyurethane is superior to rubber here) should be under slight tension/ very slightly compressed.

If there is any play or slack, the bar will do nothing to control sway.
 







--
Gary Smith


Group: Safarifriends Message: 35470 From: John Clevenger Date: 8/16/2017
Subject: Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

I went to NAPA and go a set, just standard ½  bushing. JohnC

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2015 TJ/Fusion

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:31 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 

 

Joe,

Both suspension types use shock absorbers.  Does yours use leaf springs up front (and rear),   Both chassis are Magnum, but different types of suspension systems. 

Gary

'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT w/Velvetride

 

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Joe George jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Joe,

 

I just called Pioneer Metal and was informed they only have bushing set for the Velvet Ride suspension.  I don't have Velvet Ride (I don't think) as I have shocks on my Safari.  However I noticed in your signature block you have a 1996 Safari Sahara so either I do have Velvet Ride or I didn't describe what I needed well when I called Pioneer Metal.  Can you confirm what you purchased from Pioneer Metal?

 

thanks,

 

Joe/1997 Sahara/3550/300 

 

 


From: "Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 

 

John,

 

I just replaced the front sway bar bushings on my 96 sahara and my sway bar was quite rusted under the middle bushings so I removed the entire sway bar, sanded it down and painted it and replaced the center bushing (as well as the end bushings) with the set from Pioneer Metal.   If the center bushings are still good you may want to consider removing them anyway and doing some rust removal/preventative maintence there.

 

Joe Burch

96 Safari Sahara

St Augustine

 


From: "'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 

 

I took the old one to NAPA  and he gave me eight new one, was PIA to put back on; as the old were total worn down and had to use a jacks to move the sway bar. JohnC

 

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2015 TJ/Fusion

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 4:37 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 

 

Where did you find the bushings?  Web site/part number/etc...

 

Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550 300 

 

 


From: "'John Clevenger' johnkclevenger@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yah oogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 

 

If the bushing are not tight you need to replace them, I did that last year too! JohnC

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2015 TJ/Fusion

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:44 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: 1997 Sahara Safari Sway Bar

 

 

No, that is NOT correct.

The bushings (polyurethane is superior to rubber here) should be under slight tension/ very slightly compressed.

If there is any play or slack, the bar will do nothing to control sway.

 

 

 




--

Gary Smith

Group: Safarifriends Message: 36385 From: technolog1 Date: 10/15/2017
Subject: Re: Kalahari Question
I have a 93 continental 50 k on it. and I just changed oil filters, water filters, transmission filters, and all fluids and replaced water engine hoses which are very hard to find the very short right angle ones. I went to muffler shop and had them make  me 2 inch by 4 inch right angle. 
I spent around $650. I did the work.

6 new tires at three hundred bucks a piece including mounting and those were dunlap's. 
 I still want to replace the fuel lines and I would like to replace the heater hoses all the way to the front but right now I'm broke.
I also need shocks, and sway bar busshing, any ideas of where to get the sway bar bushings and know which ones I need.

Bought it to retire with in 3 years so have some time to work on it.


Craig
93 continental  8.3. 6sp



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 10/14/17 10:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Kalahari Question

 

Bruce,

The line up for Safari coaches, starting from lowest to highest is:
Trek
Kalahari
Sahara
Serengeti
Continental
Panther, which is a Continental with the big CAT C12 engine package

Later models included Zanzibar, but I don't know where they stand in the lineup. My guess would be between Serengeti and Continental.

If you want a shorter coach, I would suggest to look at the Sahara, if bigger, then a Serengeti or higher. The Sahara and higher model coaches are very similar in the better quality build and good diesel engines paired with the Allison transmission, the only difference between the Sahara and the higher models is more and fancier options.

If you like the simple mechanical diesel engines, then the '94 to '95 models years would be the ones to look for. If you like and/or prefer the CAT electronic diesel engine, then the '96 and newer would be the years to look for. Both engines are excellent, it's just a matter of personal preference. Its unlikely to have issues on either engine, but if you would have fuel system issues, like needing injectors, they are more expensive for the CAT engine, for obvious reasons. Again, both engines have a stellar reputation and are mated to the superb Allison transmission, which makes for a rock solid drivetrain.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 10:43 PM, birdshill123@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks for the replies. I figured it was an entry level unit. The 6.5 was never one of may favorites!! SOOO another question. Where does the Serengeti lie in the line up. Just above the Safari? Having repaired and restored a few  Classics I am aware that just the basics: New tires, batteries, fluid changes, air,fuel and oil filters, belts and hoses can easily be between $5000 and say $7500. However I am not familiar enough with Safaris to know about brand specific problems.


Bruce




Group: Safarifriends Message: 36387 From: Dale Maggio Date: 10/15/2017
Subject: Re: Kalahari Question
Pioneer Metal works in Quincy WA has a stock of the proper urathane bushings.

-=Dale=-

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 10/15/17, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Kalahari Question
To: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 15, 2017, 12:07 AM


 











I have a 93 continental 50 k on it. and I just
changed oil filters, water filters, transmission filters,
and all fluids and replaced water engine hoses which are
very hard to find the very short right angle ones. I went to
muffler shop and had them make  me 2 inch by 4 inch right
angle. I spent around $650. I did the
work.
6 new tires at
three hundred bucks a piece including mounting and those
were dunlap's.  I still want to replace the
fuel lines and I would like to replace the heater hoses all
the way to the front but right now I'm
broke.I also need shocks, and sway bar busshing,
any ideas of where to get the sway bar bushings and know
which ones I need.
Bought it to retire with in 3 years
so have some time to work on it.

Craig93 continental
 8.3. 6sp


Sent from my Verizon,
Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "TD sdjhtm@...
[Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>

Date: 10/14/17 10:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Kalahari
Question


 






Bruce,

The line up for Safari
coaches, starting from lowest to highest is:
Trek
Kalahari
Sahara
Serengeti

Continental
Panther, which is a Continental with the
big CAT C12 engine package

Later models included Zanzibar, but I
don't know where they stand in the lineup. My guess
would be between Serengeti and Continental.

If you want a shorter
coach, I would suggest to look at the Sahara, if bigger,
then a Serengeti or higher. The Sahara and higher model
coaches are very similar in the better quality build and
good diesel engines paired with the Allison transmission,
the only difference between the Sahara and the higher models
is more and fancier options.

If you like the simple mechanical diesel
engines, then the '94 to '95 models years would be
the ones to look for. If you like and/or prefer the CAT
electronic diesel engine, then the '96 and newer would
be the years to look for. Both engines are excellent,
it's just a matter of personal preference. Its unlikely
to have issues on either engine, but if you would have fuel
system issues, like needing injectors, they are more
expensive for the CAT engine, for obvious reasons. Again,
both engines have a stellar reputation and are mated to the
superb Allison transmission, which makes for a rock solid
drivetrain.

John

'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,
Allison

6spd.

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at
10:43 PM, birdshill123@...
[Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

























Thanks for the replies. I figured it was an entry level
unit. The 6.5 was never one of may favorites!! SOOO another
question. Where does the Serengeti lie in the line up. Just
above the Safari? Having repaired and restored a few 
Classics I am aware that just the basics: New tires,
batteries, fluid changes, air,fuel and oil filters, belts
and hoses can easily be between $5000 and say $7500. However
I am not familiar enough with Safaris to know about brand
specific problems.
Bruce







































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Group: Safarifriends Message: 36389 From: TD Date: 10/15/2017
Subject: Re: Shocks & bushings for '93 Continental [was] Kalahari Question
Craing,

It is very likely that your coach was still built on the Oshkosh chassis, if that is the case, it is unlikely that Pioneer Metal Works will have the stuff you need, but call them just in case. The oshkosh chassis was bought out by Freightliner and is still supported by them, so give them a call and give them your chassis model, they should have the right info and/or parts for you.

I will see if I can dig up some info on the shocks, when I have a chance.

BTW, what size tires did you buy?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Dale Maggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Pioneer Metal works in Quincy WA has a stock of the proper urathane bushings.

-=Dale=-

------------------------------ --------------
On Sun, 10/15/17, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 I have a 93 continental 50 k on it. and I just
 changed oil filters, water filters, transmission filters,
 and all fluids and replaced water engine hoses which are
 very hard to find the very short right angle ones. I went to
 muffler shop and had them make  me 2 inch by 4 inch right
 angle. I spent around $650. I did the
 work.
 6 new tires at
 three hundred bucks a piece including mounting and those
 were dunlap's.  I still want to replace the
 fuel lines and I would like to replace the heater hoses all
 the way to the front but right now I'm
 broke.I also need shocks, and sway bar busshing,
 any ideas of where to get the sway bar bushings and know
 which ones I need.
 Bought it to retire with in 3 years
 so have some time to work on it.

 Craig93 continental
  8.3. 6sp


 Sent from my Verizon,
 Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 -------- Original message --------
 From: "TD sdjhtm@...
 [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >

 Date: 10/14/17  10:17 PM  (GMT-06:00)
 To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."
 <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
 Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Kalahari
 Question


  






       Bruce,

 The line up for Safari
 coaches, starting from lowest to highest is:
 Trek
 Kalahari
 Sahara
 Serengeti

 Continental
 Panther, which is a Continental with the
 big CAT C12 engine package

 Later models included Zanzibar, but I
 don't know where they stand in the lineup. My guess
 would be between Serengeti and Continental.

 If you want a shorter
 coach, I would suggest to look at the Sahara, if bigger,
 then a Serengeti or higher. The Sahara and higher model
 coaches are very similar in the better quality build and
 good diesel engines paired with the Allison transmission,
 the only difference between the Sahara and the higher models
 is more and fancier options.

 If you like the simple mechanical diesel
 engines, then the '94 to '95 models years would be
 the ones to look for. If you like and/or prefer the CAT
 electronic diesel engine, then the '96 and newer would
 be the years to look for. Both engines are excellent,
 it's just a matter of personal preference. Its unlikely
 to have issues on either engine, but if you would have fuel
 system issues, like needing injectors, they are more
 expensive for the CAT engine, for obvious reasons. Again,
 both engines have a stellar reputation and are mated to the
 superb Allison transmission, which makes for a rock solid
 drivetrain.

 John

 '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,
 Allison

 6spd.

 On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at
 10:43 PM, birdshill123@...
 [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
 wrote:

 Thanks for the replies. I figured it was an entry level
 unit. The 6.5 was never one of may favorites!! SOOO another
 question. Where does the Serengeti lie in the line up. Just
 above the Safari? Having repaired and restored a few 
 Classics I am aware that just the basics: New tires,
 batteries, fluid changes, air,fuel and oil filters, belts
 and hoses can easily be between $5000 and say $7500. However
 I am not familiar enough with Safaris to know about brand
 specific problems.
 Bruce



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Group: Safarifriends Message: 36557 From: slemnah@sbcglobal.net Date: 10/28/2017
Subject: Odd wear on Steer tires
Attachments :

    I have a 2005 Safari Panther with an "S" series tag axle chassis. I purchased it 4 years ago and have put around 26,000 mi on it since I purchased it. I replaced all 8 tires when I bought it with Michelin XZA2 Energy 295-80R22.5. I have had no issues with the front end, I have lubed it a couple of times, the king pins were checked and are tight, had a little looseness in the left wheel bearing which I tightened today. I noticed the other day that the left side tire is worn down to the wear bars on the inside of the tire with some wear across the face with the outside tread being the thickest. I also noticed that the right tire has plenty of tread across the face but the very inside edge is worn down. I have not had it aligned but it was aligned before I bought it. It doesn't look like camber or toe wear on either tire. I don't believe it is shocks because it is even wear rather than choppy wear. The right side tire may be due to "rivering" although that is usually a wavy wear pattern. I have a feeling that the there may be a misalignment problem with the rear axle although the rear tires are all wearing evenly. I can't believe that I have to replace 2 tires after only 26k miles. Has anyone run into this problem before?  Hope to hear from some of you experienced chassis guys.


    Steve

    05 Panther

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36559 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/28/2017
    Subject: Re: Odd wear on Steer tires
    Steve,
    What part of the country (at least tot he state level) are you in.  Looks like an alignment problem, and maybe someone can recommend a quality shop in your part of the world.  I know of 4 places in the US I would recommend, but not knowing where you are, would not want to send you thousands of miles away for that task.

    River run is a known and expected problem on the Goodyear tires, but I do not think it is common with the Michelin.  Have you shown these to the place you got your tires?  Could be a poorly mounted tire on the rim.  The clearest of the two images looks like there is some cupping on the second rib.

    Gary
    '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

    On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 8:00 PM, slemnah@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    I have a 2005 Safari Panther with an "S" series tag axle chassis. I purchased it 4 years ago and have put around 26,000 mi on it since I purchased it. I replaced all 8 tires when I bought it with Michelin XZA2 Energy 295-80R22.5. I have had no issues with the front end, I have lubed it a couple of times, the king pins were checked and are tight, had a little looseness in the left wheel bearing which I tightened today. I noticed the other day that the left side tire is worn down to the wear bars on the inside of the tire with some wear across the face with the outside tread being the thickest. I also noticed that the right tire has plenty of tread across the face but the very inside edge is worn down. I have not had it aligned but it was aligned before I bought it. It doesn't look like camber or toe wear on either tire. I don't believe it is shocks because it is even wear rather than choppy wear. The right side tire may be due to "rivering" although that is usually a wavy wear pattern. I have a feeling that the there may be a misalignment problem with the rear axle although the rear tires are all wearing evenly. I can't believe that I have to replace 2 tires after only 26k miles. Has anyone run into this problem before?  Hope to hear from some of you experienced chassis guys.


    Steve

    05 Panther




    --
    Gary Smith
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36568 From: ondaflore Date: 10/29/2017
    Subject: Re: Odd wear on Steer tires
    Well Steve, Yahoo ate your pictures.  I did see them in the notification email that I received. It would help interpret the pictures if you added a photo of a rear tire showing "no" wear for comparison.

    Typically, if caster and camber are not noticeably out of wack, wear on the inside of the left front tire is a tale tell sign of toed OUT tires.  The right side tire runs true, while the left side tire tends to steer "up hill" towards the crown of the road.  Excessive toe in shows on the outside of the right side tire as the left side runs true and the right side steers "up hill" towards the crown of the road.  A weak left tie rod end will allow inside wear due to deflection during braking, however there is usually some cupping and feathering noticeable as well.

    Are you running the correct tire pressures as recommended by the tire manufacturer?  The recommended pressures on your specification plaque are useless you are riding on the original tires (which you aren't.)  It is imperative that you weigh your coach and adjust tire pressure as recommended in the inflation chart for your specific tire brand, model and size.

    Have you rotated your tires?  Safari recommends this.  Steer tires move to the rear inside, the rear insides move to the rear outside, and the rear outsides move to the front.

    I think you said you have a tag axle.  Those tag tires make the coach want to go straight when you are making a turn.  Lots of sharp turns (like city driving) or driving twisty mountain roads is going to hasten wear on the front tires.

    Unless this wear pattern has recently appeared, as opposed to being cumulative over 4 years, rotating tires should get you down the road before your tires age out.

    Lastly, you can use a plumb bob, some masking tape and a tape measure to check and adjust toe in to within 1/16" or better. Some RV manufacturers actually  recommend this method in their owners manual.  I can't remember if it in my Zanzibar manual or if I saw it in a Fleetwood manual, but I've been using it for years on cars.

    Lastly,  I'd love to have a chance to wear out a set of tires instead of replacing what appear to be brand new tires because they aged out.

    Bob
    2001


    ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <slemnah@...> wrote :

    I have a 2005 Safari Panther with an "S" series tag axle chassis. I purchased it 4 years ago and have put around 26,000 mi on it since I purchased it. I replaced all 8 tires when I bought it with Michelin XZA2 Energy 295-80R22.5. I have had no issues with the front end, I have lubed it a couple of times, the king pins were checked and are tight, had a little looseness in the left wheel bearing which I tightened today. I noticed the other day that the left side tire is worn down to the wear bars on the inside of the tire with some wear across the face with the outside tread being the thickest. I also noticed that the right tire has plenty of tread across the face but the very inside edge is worn down. I have not had it aligned but it was aligned before I bought it. It doesn't look like camber or toe wear on either tire. I don't believe it is shocks because it is even wear rather than choppy wear. The right side tire may be due to "rivering" although that is usually a wavy wear pattern. I have a feeling that the there may be a misalignment problem with the rear axle although the rear tires are all wearing evenly. I can't believe that I have to replace 2 tires after only 26k miles. Has anyone run into this problem before?  Hope to hear from some of you experienced chassis guys.


    Steve

    05 Panther

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36575 From: TD Date: 10/30/2017
    Subject: Re: Odd wear on Steer tires
    Steve,

    The tire wear you have on the inside or your right tire, Michelin calls this wear "shoulder step wear". Slow wearing, high mileage tires a more prone to this wear issue, and it is exacerbated by issues like loose wheel bearings, worn King pins, and/or misaligned rear axles. Once a tire starts this pattern, it won't stop. Michelin and other makers say that one can continue using the tire.

    Your other tire looks like a combination of a bit of camber being off, which the bearing likely contributed to, and the toe being out of specs.
    You stated that you had the king pins checked and that they are tight. Were they checked properly with a dial indicator??? With large tires, the slightest wear gets magnified. Often king pins are the cause of odd wear and and/or steering handling issues, but get overlooked because they aren't checked properly.

    Go to a Michelin dealer and see what they say.

    Here is a link to Michelin's PDF file: https://www.michelinb2b.com/wps/b2bcontent/PDF/Usual_Suspects_Trailer_BFG_EN.pdf


    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 8:00 PM, slemnah@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    I have a 2005 Safari Panther with an "S" series tag axle chassis. I purchased it 4 years ago and have put around 26,000 mi on it since I purchased it. I replaced all 8 tires when I bought it with Michelin XZA2 Energy 295-80R22.5. I have had no issues with the front end, I have lubed it a couple of times, the king pins were checked and are tight, had a little looseness in the left wheel bearing which I tightened today. I noticed the other day that the left side tire is worn down to the wear bars on the inside of the tire with some wear across the face with the outside tread being the thickest. I also noticed that the right tire has plenty of tread across the face but the very inside edge is worn down. I have not had it aligned but it was aligned before I bought it. It doesn't look like camber or toe wear on either tire. I don't believe it is shocks because it is even wear rather than choppy wear. The right side tire may be due to "rivering" although that is usually a wavy wear pattern. I have a feeling that the there may be a misalignment problem with the rear axle although the rear tires are all wearing evenly. I can't believe that I have to replace 2 tires after only 26k miles. Has anyone run into this problem before?  Hope to hear from some of you experienced chassis guys.


    Steve

    05 Panther




    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36656 From: TD Date: 11/7/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s

    Dale,


    Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need. I will also send you this info via direct email, so you would get it quicker.

    Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

    Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

    This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

    Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.


    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer wants the information now. What is the part number for the rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?
    99 Sahara Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone



    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36667 From: technolog1 Date: 11/8/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the same
    Craigslist 93  8.3 6sp



    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     

    Dale,


    Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need. I will also send you this info via direct email, so you would get it quicker.

    Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

    Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

    This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

    Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.


    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer wants the information now. What is the part number for the rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?
    99 Sahara Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone



    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36668 From: Bridget and Gerald Date: 11/8/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    John, we have a 95 Ivory 38 foot.  Gerald is thinking about putting in new shocks.  Would ours take the same shocks?  What color are they?  We currently have blue Koni's on the front.

    Bridget Post



    On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 1:28 PM, "technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


     
    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the same
    Craigslist 93  8.3 6sp



    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     
    Dale,

    Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need. I will also send you this info via direct email, so you would get it quicker.

    Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

    Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
    This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
    Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.


    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer wants the information now. What is the part number for the rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?
    99 Sahara Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone





    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36669 From: TD Date: 11/8/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Bridget,

    Yes, they are the same numbers, make sure you order by numbers and not by make and model. I set mine at maximum dampening, because road conditions require it where I live and travel. I am confident that if you order the correct ones, you will be very satisfied. For quite some time LTB Autosports had the lowest prices with free shipping. I have not checked recently but it is likely that it's still the case. The shocks are supposed to be red, and my front ones were, but the back ones were black. I called Koni and they claimed that the black shocks were still the Koni Reds and that they sometimes come in black color. They must have ran short on red paint! Lol.

    Greetings to Gerald!

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd. 

    On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Bridget and Gerald outpost1939@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    John, we have a 95 Ivory 38 foot.  Gerald is thinking about putting in new shocks.  Would ours take the same shocks?  What color are they?  We currently have blue Koni's on the front.

    Bridget Post



    On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 1:28 PM, "technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


     
    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the same
    Craigslist 93  8.3 6sp



    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     
    Dale,

    Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need. I will also send you this info via direct email, so you would get it quicker.

    Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

    Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx
    This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.
    Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.


    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer wants the information now. What is the part number for the rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?
    99 Sahara Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone








    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36670 From: TD Date: 11/8/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Craig,

    I don't know, and I doubt it, as I'm pretty sure your chassis is an Oshkosh, not a Magnum. I am pressed for time, so try looking up the shocks by Safari year and make, noting the chassis, then send me the Koni numbers they list, and I will able to tell you if it is the same w/o the updated number, or if the are completely different.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:26 PM, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the same
    Craigslist 93  8.3 6sp



    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     

    Dale,


    Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need. I will also send you this info via direct email, so you would get it quicker.

    Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

    Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

    This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

    Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.


    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer wants the information now. What is the part number for the rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?
    99 Sahara Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone






    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36672 From: technolog1 Date: 11/9/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s

    It is a magium. It had a decal on back of rv. Is that not normal for year? Thanks
    Craig
    93 cont. 8.3  6sp


    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: 11/9/17 1:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     

    Craig,

    I don't know, and I doubt it, as I'm pretty sure your chassis is an Oshkosh, not a Magnum. I am pressed for time, so try looking up the shocks by Safari year and make, noting the chassis, then send me the Koni numbers they list, and I will able to tell you if it is the same w/o the updated number, or if the are completely different.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:26 PM, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the same
    Craigslist 93  8.3 6sp



    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     

    Dale,


    Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need. I will also send you this info via direct email, so you would get it quicker.

    Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

    Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

    This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

    Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.


    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer wants the information now. What is the part number for the rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?
    99 Sahara Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone







    Posted by: TD <sdjhtm@...>
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36673 From: TD Date: 11/9/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    That decal does not mean anything, as they were known to label the Oshkosh chassis as Magnum, because they modified the chassis to fit the torsion springs, but it is still not the same chassis. As far as I know, the true Magnum chassis began in '94 model year.
    Do you have the same size basement bin doors as the '95 and newer coaches, or are your doors smaller. Send me a side shot of the coach so I can see how it was set up.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:38 AM, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



    It is a magium. It had a decal on back of rv. Is that not normal for year? Thanks
    Craig
    93 cont. 8.3  6sp


    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Date: 11/9/17 1:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     

    Craig,

    I don't know, and I doubt it, as I'm pretty sure your chassis is an Oshkosh, not a Magnum. I am pressed for time, so try looking up the shocks by Safari year and make, noting the chassis, then send me the Koni numbers they list, and I will able to tell you if it is the same w/o the updated number, or if the are completely different.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:26 PM, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the same
    Craigslist 93  8.3 6sp



    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     

    Dale,


    Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need. I will also send you this info via direct email, so you would get it quicker.

    Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

    Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

    This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

    Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with weaker front shocks that will not work well.


    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer wants the information now. What is the part number for the rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?
    99 Sahara Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone







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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36674 From: Dale Maggio Date: 11/9/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    "I set mine at maximum dampening, because road conditions require it where I live and travel." Me too. California, richest state in the Nation, has some of the crappiest roads.

    -=Dale=-

    --------------------------------------------
    On Wed, 11/8/17, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 11:12 PM


     









    Bridget,

    Yes, they are the same
    numbers, make sure you order by numbers and not by make and
    model. I set mine at maximum dampening, because road
    conditions require it where I live and travel. I am
    confident that if you order the correct ones, you will be
    very satisfied. For quite some time LTB Autosports had the
    lowest prices with free shipping. I have not checked
    recently but it is likely that it's still the case. The
    shocks are supposed to be red, and my front ones were, but
    the back ones were black. I called Koni and they claimed
    that the black shocks were still the Koni Reds and that they
    sometimes come in black color. They must have ran short on
    red paint! Lol.

    Greetings to Gerald!

    John

    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,
    Allison

    6spd. 
    On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:16
    PM, Bridget and Gerald outpost1939@...
    [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    wrote:




















    John,
    we have a 95 Ivory 38 foot.  Gerald is thinking about
    putting in new shocks.  Would ours take the same shocks? 
    What color are they?  We currently have blue Koni's on
    the front.
    Bridget
    Post




    On Wednesday,
    November 8, 2017 1:28 PM, "technolog1 technolog1@...
    [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > wrote:



     











    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the
    sameCraigslist 93  8.3 6sp


    Sent from my
    Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

    -------- Original message
    --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@...
    [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    >
    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)

    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    >
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part
    #s


     







    Dale,

    Here
    are the

    Koni

    shock
    part
    numbers
    that you need. I will also send you this info via direct
    email, so you would get it quicker.



    Here is the link to the front
    shocks,
    part
    # 88-1641SP3:

    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k
    oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx



    Link to the rear
    shocks,
    part
    # 88-1458SP2 :

    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k
    oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx


    This
    site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.


    Make sure you order these by part
    number
    and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with
    weaker front
    shocks
    that will not work well.


    John

    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,
    Allison

    6spd.

    On
    Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@...
    [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > wrote:






















    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before
    but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer
    wants the information now. What is the part number for the
    rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?99 Sahara
    Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft
    Sent from my
    Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


































































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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36676 From: Dale Maggio Date: 11/9/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Always been curious about that myself. Koni's come in red, blue, gold and possibly more. Does color mean anything or is it whatever was on the shelf that day.

    -=Dale=-

    --------------------------------------------
    On Wed, 11/8/17, Bridget and Gerald outpost1939@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s
    To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 4:16 PM


     









    John,
    we have a 95 Ivory 38 foot.  Gerald is thinking about
    putting in new shocks.  Would ours take the same shocks? 
    What color are they?  We currently have blue Koni's on
    the front.
    Bridget
    Post



    On Wednesday,
    November 8, 2017 1:28 PM, "technolog1
    technolog1@... [Safarifriends]"
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



     











    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the
    sameCraigslist 93  8.3 6sp


    Sent from my
    Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

    -------- Original message
    --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@...
    [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>

    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s


     







    Dale,

    Here
    are the

    Koni
    shock
    part
    numbers
    that you need. I will also send you this info via direct
    email, so you would get it quicker.



    Here is the link to the front
    shocks,
    part
    # 88-1641SP3:

    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k
    oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx



    Link to the rear
    shocks,
    part
    # 88-1458SP2 :

    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k
    oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx


    This site is usually the
    lowest price with free shipping.


    Make sure you order these by part
    number
    and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with
    weaker front
    shocks
    that will not work well.


    John

    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,
    Allison

    6spd.

    On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56
    PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@...
    [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    wrote:






















    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before
    but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer
    wants the information now. What is the part number for the
    rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?99 Sahara
    Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft
    Sent from my
    Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone















































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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36698 From: Bill Edwards Date: 11/9/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Dale if it is the richest state in the union why is it almost broke!*:( sad*:-/ confused*:) happy

    Bill Edwards
    1999 Panther


    On Thursday, November 9, 2017 9:23 AM, "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


     
    "I set mine at maximum dampening, because road conditions require it where I live and travel." Me too. California, richest state in the Nation, has some of the crappiest roads.

    -=Dale=-

    --------------------------------------------
    On Wed, 11/8/17, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 11:12 PM


     









    Bridget,

    Yes, they are the same
    numbers, make sure you order by numbers and not by make and
    model. I set mine at maximum dampening, because road
    conditions require it where I live and travel. I am
    confident that if you order the correct ones, you will be
    very satisfied. For quite some time LTB Autosports had the
    lowest prices with free shipping. I have not checked
    recently but it is likely that it's still the case. The
    shocks are supposed to be red, and my front ones were, but
    the back ones were black. I called Koni and they claimed
    that the black shocks were still the Koni Reds and that they
    sometimes come in black color. They must have ran short on
    red paint! Lol.

    Greetings to Gerald!

    John

    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,
    Allison

    6spd. 
    On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:16
    PM, Bridget and Gerald outpost1939@...
    [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    wrote:




















    John,
    we have a 95 Ivory 38 foot.  Gerald is thinking about
    putting in new shocks.  Would ours take the same shocks? 
    What color are they?  We currently have blue Koni's on
    the front.
    Bridget
    Post




    On Wednesday,
    November 8, 2017 1:28 PM, "technolog1 technolog1@...
    [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > wrote:



     











    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the
    sameCraigslist 93  8.3 6sp


    Sent from my
    Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

    -------- Original message
    --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@...
    [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    >
    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)

    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    >
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part
    #s


     







    Dale,

    Here
    are the

    Koni

    shock
    part
    numbers
    that you need. I will also send you this info via direct
    email, so you would get it quicker.



    Here is the link to the front
    shocks,
    part
    # 88-1641SP3:

    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k
    oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx



    Link to the rear
    shocks,
    part
    # 88-1458SP2 :

    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k
    oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx


    This
    site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.


    Make sure you order these by part
    number
    and not by year and make, other wise you will end up with
    weaker front
    shocks
    that will not work well.


    John

    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,
    Allison

    6spd.

    On
    Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio dalemaggio@...
    [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > wrote:






















    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before
    but I'm in the field with only my phone and my installer
    wants the information now. What is the part number for the
    rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?99 Sahara
    Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft
    Sent from my
    Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone


































































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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36707 From: Dale Maggio Date: 11/9/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    I believe that funds (taxes) are not used in what they were collected for. It just goes into the big black hole of California government. And like celestial black holes, nothing comes out.

    -=Dale=-

    --------------------------------------------
    On Thu, 11/9/17, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s
    To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: Thursday, November 9, 2017, 7:14 PM


     









    Dale
    if it is the richest state in the union why is it almost
    broke!
    Bill
    Edwards1999
    Panther

    On Thursday, November
    9, 2017 9:23 AM, "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@...
    [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    wrote:



     









    "I set mine at maximum dampening, because
    road conditions require it where I live and travel."
    Me too. California, richest state in the Nation, has some
    of the crappiest roads.



    -=Dale=-



    --------------------------------------------

    On Wed, 11/8/17, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>

    Date: Wednesday, November 8, 2017, 11:12 PM





     



















    Bridget,



    Yes, they are the same

    numbers, make sure you order by numbers and not by make
    and

    model. I set mine at maximum dampening, because road

    conditions require it where I live and travel. I am

    confident that if you order the correct ones, you will
    be

    very satisfied. For quite some time LTB Autosports had
    the

    lowest prices with free shipping. I have not checked

    recently but it is likely that it's still the case.
    The

    shocks are supposed to be red, and my front ones were,
    but

    the back ones were black. I called Koni and they claimed

    that the black shocks were still the Koni Reds and that
    they

    sometimes come in black color. They must have ran short
    on

    red paint! Lol.



    Greetings to Gerald!



    John



    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,

    Allison



    6spd. 

    On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:16

    PM, Bridget and Gerald outpost1939@...

    [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>

    wrote:









































    John,

    we have a 95 Ivory 38 foot.  Gerald is thinking about

    putting in new shocks.  Would ours take the same
    shocks? 

    What color are they?  We currently have blue Koni's
    on

    the front.

    Bridget

    Post









    On Wednesday,

    November 8, 2017 1:28 PM, "technolog1
    technolog1@...

    [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com

    > wrote:







     























    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the

    sameCraigslist 93  8.3 6sp





    Sent from my

    Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



    -------- Original message

    --------

    From: "TD sdjhtm@...

    [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com

    >

    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)



    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y."

    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com

    >

    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part

    #s





     















    Dale,



    Here

    are the



    Koni



    shock

    part

    numbers

    that you need. I will also send you this info via direct

    email, so you would get it quicker.







    Here is the link to the front

    shocks,

    part

    # 88-1641SP3:



    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k

    oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx







    Link to the rear

    shocks,

    part

    # 88-1458SP2 :



    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k

    oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx





    This

    site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.





    Make sure you order these by part

    number

    and not by year and make, other wise you will end up
    with

    weaker front

    shocks

    that will not work well.





    John



    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,

    Allison



    6spd.



    On

    Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:56 PM, dalemaggio
    dalemaggio@...

    [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com

    > wrote:













































    Sorry guys I know this is been posted many times before

    but I'm in the field with only my phone and my
    installer

    wants the information now. What is the part number for
    the

    rear Koni's to go on a 3506 Sahara?99 Sahara

    Magnum Tortilistic, 35ft

    Sent from my

    Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone





































































































































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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36728 From: somedaysoonltd Date: 11/10/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Bridgett & Gerald.  I was under the belief that Koni Shocks were lifetime guaranteed.  So, if that is true, they would replace your shocks for free.

    Al Wilson
    1996 Sahara 3550
    Cat 3126 250HP
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36730 From: msgt.wolfe@gmail.com Date: 11/11/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    I believe the Bilstein shocks are considered best for long term use.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36731 From: wolfe102001 Date: 11/11/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Both Koni and Bilstein are top quality shocks.

    They have different dampening characteristics, but both are top quality.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36732 From: Bill Edwards Date: 11/11/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Automotive shocks have the lifetime warranty
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36736 From: Bridget and Gerald Date: 11/11/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Al Wilson, that might be something to check out.  The shocks that are in there now are not the same number that the group is recommending.  Ours were purchased in a kit from Brazel's in Washington that added 2 more shocks to the front and Gerald installed them 10 years ago.  All 6 are the same number. 

    Bridget Post
    95 Ivory 38'


    On Saturday, November 11, 2017 2:07 PM, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


     
    You would have to  call Pioneer Metal works in Quincy Washington

    Bill Edwards
    1999 Panther


    On Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:50 AM, "Craig Burrell technolog1@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


     
    93 Continental is there any way to add airbags to it


    On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     
    Forty years in the automotive repair business I have never heard that claim about Bilstines.




    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36737 From: Bridget and Gerald Date: 11/11/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Gerald just told me that the rear shocks are Bilstseins not Konis  The kit from Brazel's was for the front.   I thought that kit was for all the shocks not just the front. 

    Bridget


    On Saturday, November 11, 2017 9:05 PM, Bridget and Gerald <outpost1939@...> wrote:


    Al Wilson, that might be something to check out.  The shocks that are in there now are not the same number that the group is recommending.  Ours were purchased in a kit from Brazel's in Washington that added 2 more shocks to the front and Gerald installed them 10 years ago.  All 6 are the same number. 

    Bridget Post
    95 Ivory 38'


    On Saturday, November 11, 2017 2:07 PM, "Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


     
    You would have to  call Pioneer Metal works in Quincy Washington

    Bill Edwards
    1999 Panther


    On Saturday, November 11, 2017 6:50 AM, "Craig Burrell technolog1@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


     
    93 Continental is there any way to add airbags to it


    On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 7:48 AM, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     
    Forty years in the automotive repair business I have never heard that claim about Bilstines.






    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36738 From: TD Date: 11/11/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    msgt?,

    I don't know about longevity, but if you have a torsional suspension, you would be best off with a Koni shock...

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 8:22 AM, msgt.wolfe@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


    I believe the Bilstein shocks are considered best for long term use.


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36756 From: technolog1 Date: 11/13/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    What is the name of the company where you guys order suspension parts for a 93 cont. safari? 
    Craig 93 continental 8.3 6sp


    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: 11/9/17 10:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     

    That decal does not mean anything, as they were known to label the Oshkosh chassis as Magnum, because they modified the chassis to fit the torsion springs, but it is still not the same chassis. As far as I know, the true Magnum chassis began in '94 model year.
    Do you have the same size basement bin doors as the '95 and newer coaches, or are your doors smaller. Send me a side shot of the coach so I can see how it was set up.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:38 AM, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



    It is a magium. It had a decal on back of rv. Is that not normal for year? Thanks
    Craig
    93 cont. 8.3  6sp


    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Date: 11/9/17 1:16 AM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     

    Craig,

    I don't know, and I doubt it, as I'm pretty sure your chassis is an Oshkosh, not a Magnum. I am pressed for time, so try looking up the shocks by Safari year and make, noting the chassis, then send me the Koni numbers they list, and I will able to tell you if it is the same w/o the updated number, or if the are completely different.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:26 PM, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


    Need shocks for 93 contenintal.would these be the same
    Craigslist 93  8.3 6sp



    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


    -------- Original message --------
    From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Date: 11/7/17 3:05 PM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Koni part #s

     

    Dale,


    Here are the Koni shock part numbers that you need. I will also send you this info via direct email, so you would get it quicker.

    Here is the link to the front shocks, part # 88-1641SP3:
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/foretravel/881641sp3/i -2440381.aspx

    Link to the rear shocks, part # 88-1458SP2 :
    http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0566.aspx

    This site is usually the lowest price with free shipping.

    Make sure you order these by part number and not by year and make, other wise
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36762 From: trekker01@gmail.com Date: 11/13/2017
    Subject: Re: Koni part #s
    Craig,
    Need to sign each and every post so you get help applicable to your needs.  Latest post just asks where we get parts.  What parts?  Are you looking for shocks?  Springs?  Or what?  Answer will be different depending on what it is you are looking for, I am sure. 

    Gary
    '98 Sahara 3006 CAT300
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36803 From: TD Date: 11/20/2017
    Subject: Re: Drop $7K
    Dale,

    Has the idle been raised on the engine by any chance??? I know on my last coach, the idle was a tad to low and sometimes under load backing into tight spots she would stall. So, I had the mechanic turn the idle up, he turned it up a bit too high, and boy did first gear start banging, especially when coming to a stop.

    As for climbing up a steep driveway and reving up with no power? My guess would be that your torque converter is no longer engaging in first gear. Normally when in drive, the torque converter doesn't engage until 2nd gear and reaching the speed of 15mph, but when you have the transmission shift pad set for first gear only, the torque converter locks up fairly soon after you start rolling. Maybe go to an Allison shop, not a CAT shop that works on Allison transmissions. If you don't have an Allison shop near by, go back to Quinn's and have them reprogram first gear, or have them but the programming exactly as it was before. BTW, I'm sure you already know this, but slamming gears with the kind of torque that the CAT has is NOT good for the drive-train.
    As for the exhaust brake preselect? The Allison tech should be able to program the preselect anywhere from 2nd gear to 6th(no preselect). Common is 2nd or 4th, if you use in on long mountain grades and don't like it to hunt through the gears every time the brake engages, then 5th or 6th would work best for you. As far as I know, that adjustment is separate from the latch or cruise programing, as they are two different functions, even though its done through the same Allison programming.

    How much did the Allison service cost you, and how much for the botched reprogramming?

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    When you had your front shocks replaced, did you have the correct Koni shock numbers for the front??? The ones Koni lists are not the correct ones for our VelvetRide suspensions...

    On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Dale Maggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    So today, the Sahara got all the old sealer peeled off the roof, new sealer put on everywhere, Tiger Trak installed front and rear, and new Koni's in the back (already had them in the front, and urathanes for the sway bars.

    Then to the tire place for 4 Toyos and Alcoas on the rear. (Front already has new Michleins and Alcoas.)

    Then to Quinn Catapillar for an Allison service.  It hadn't been done before that I know of so I like a baseline with a new vehicle.  And a re-program of the PacBrake/ECU.

    Here's the disappointments.  The Alli shifts hard in 1st.  Both when accelerating and when stopping.  In fact when stopping it pretty much clunks into 1st.  When going up a steep driveway (mine) I usually set it to 1st and ease up the drive.  Now it seems to have no power and I have to rev the Cat much higher than before.

    2nd problem is the PacBrake.  It's been a long time since I took Brett's notes and I should have reviewed them before going to Quinn.  Factory setting has the PacBrake stepping down to 2nd gear.  I wanted it to only step down to 5th and I could take it from there.  The Quinn tech says there are only 3 adjustments for the Alli and the Pac: Auto - latching - Cruise.  It was in Auto, he set it to latching.  The Alli clunks into first without the ExBrake on so I know that isn't causing the hard shifting.

    So the questions are:  What do we re-program to get the ExBrake to only downshift to 5th?

    And what in the world is wrong with 1 gear?

    The Alcoa's have other problems, but I will talk about that in another post.

    -=Dale=-


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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36812 From: Dale Maggio Date: 11/21/2017
    Subject: Re: Drop $7K
    Hi John. The re-program fee was $65. Nothing in the engine programming was touched as far as I know. The service was for the Alli and an Cat oil change. Oddly enough, the oil was "Cat" oil, but the tranny fluid was Mobil 1.

    -=Dale=-

    --------------------------------------------
    On Mon, 11/20/17, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Drop $7K
    To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: Monday, November 20, 2017, 9:11 PM


    Dale,

    Has the idle been raised
    on the engine by any chance??? I know on my last coach, the
    idle was a tad to low and sometimes under load backing into
    tight spots she would stall. So, I had the mechanic turn the
    idle up, he turned it up a bit too high, and boy did first
    gear start banging, especially when coming to a stop.

    As for climbing up a
    steep driveway and reving up with no power? My guess would
    be that your torque converter is no longer engaging in first
    gear. Normally when in drive, the torque converter
    doesn't engage until 2nd gear and reaching the speed of
    15mph, but when you have the transmission shift pad set for
    first gear only, the torque converter locks up fairly soon
    after you start rolling. Maybe go to an Allison shop, not a
    CAT shop that works on Allison transmissions. If you
    don't have an Allison shop near by, go back to
    Quinn's and have them reprogram first gear, or have them
    but the programming exactly as it was before. BTW, I'm
    sure you already know this, but slamming gears with the kind
    of torque that the CAT has is NOT good for the
    drive-train.
    As for the exhaust
    brake preselect? The Allison tech should be able to program
    the preselect anywhere from 2nd gear to 6th(no preselect).
    Common is 2nd or 4th, if you use in on long mountain grades
    and don't like it to hunt through the gears every time
    the brake engages, then 5th or 6th would work best for you.
    As far as I know, that adjustment is separate from the latch
    or cruise programing, as they are two different functions,
    even though its done through the same Allison
    programming.

    How
    much did the Allison service cost you, and how much for the
    botched reprogramming?

    John

    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,
    Allison

    6spd.
    When you had
    your front shocks replaced, did you have the correct Koni
    shock numbers for the front??? The ones Koni lists are not
    the correct ones for our VelvetRide suspensions...

    On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at
    11:00 PM, Dale Maggio dalemaggio@...
    [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    wrote:
    So today, the Sahara got all the old sealer peeled
    off the roof, new sealer put on everywhere, Tiger Trak
    installed front and rear, and new Koni's in the back
    (already had them in the front, and urathanes for the sway
    bars.



    Then to the tire place for 4 Toyos and Alcoas on the rear.
    (Front already has new Michleins and Alcoas.)



    Then to Quinn Catapillar for an Allison service.  It
    hadn't been done before that I know of so I like a
    baseline with a new vehicle.  And a re-program of the
    PacBrake/ECU.



    Here's the disappointments.  The Alli shifts hard in
    1st.  Both when accelerating and when stopping.  In fact
    when stopping it pretty much clunks into 1st.  When going
    up a steep driveway (mine) I usually set it to 1st and ease
    up the drive.  Now it seems to have no power and I have to
    rev the Cat much higher than before.



    2nd problem is the PacBrake.  It's been a long time
    since I took Brett's notes and I should have reviewed
    them before going to Quinn.  Factory setting has the
    PacBrake stepping down to 2nd gear.  I wanted it to only
    step down to 5th and I could take it from there.  The Quinn
    tech says there are only 3 adjustments for the Alli and the
    Pac: Auto - latching - Cruise.  It was in Auto, he set it
    to latching.  The Alli clunks into first without the
    ExBrake on so I know that isn't causing the hard
    shifting.



    So the questions are:  What do we re-program to get the
    ExBrake to only downshift to 5th?



    And what in the world is wrong with 1 gear?



    The Alcoa's have other problems, but I will talk about
    that in another post.



    -=Dale=-





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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36814 From: TD Date: 11/21/2017
    Subject: Re: Drop $7K
    Dale,

    Was the Mobil 1 transmission fluid spec TES 295???

    Allison shows that the approved Mobil trans fluid is Mobil Delvac Synthetic ATF™ / Mobil Delvac 1 ATF™, not Mobil one. This might be your issue. In any case, make sure the jug has the TES 295 spec on it.

    http://www.allisontransmission.com/parts-service/approved-fluids/on-highway-fluids

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Dale Maggio dalemaggio@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    Hi John.  The re-program fee was $65.  Nothing in the engine programming was touched as far as I know.  The service was for the Alli and an Cat oil change.  Oddly enough, the oil was "Cat" oil, but the tranny fluid was Mobil 1.

    -=Dale=-

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    On Mon, 11/20/17, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

     Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Drop $7K
     To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
     Date: Monday, November 20, 2017, 9:11 PM


           Dale,

     Has the idle been raised
     on the engine by any chance??? I know on my last coach, the
     idle was a tad to low and sometimes under load backing into
     tight spots she would stall. So, I had the mechanic turn the
     idle up, he turned it up a bit too high, and boy did first
     gear start banging, especially when coming to a stop.

     As for climbing up a
     steep driveway and reving up with no power? My guess would
     be that your torque converter is no longer engaging in first
     gear. Normally when in drive, the torque converter
     doesn't engage until 2nd gear and reaching the speed of
     15mph, but when you have the transmission shift pad set for
     first gear only, the torque converter locks up fairly soon
     after you start rolling. Maybe go to an Allison shop, not a
     CAT shop that works on Allison transmissions. If you
     don't have an Allison shop near by, go back to
     Quinn's and have them reprogram first gear, or have them
     but the programming exactly as it was before. BTW, I'm
     sure you already know this, but slamming gears with the kind
     of torque that the CAT has is NOT good for the
     drive-train.
     As for the exhaust
     brake preselect? The Allison tech should be able to program
     the preselect anywhere from 2nd gear to 6th(no preselect).
     Common is 2nd or 4th, if you use in on long mountain grades
     and don't like it to hunt through the gears every time
     the brake engages, then 5th or 6th would work best for you.
     As far as I know, that adjustment is separate from the latch
     or cruise programing, as they are two different functions,
     even though its done through the same Allison
     programming.

     How
     much did the Allison service cost you, and how much for the
     botched reprogramming?

     John

     '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA,
     Allison

     6spd.
     When you had
     your front shocks replaced, did you have the correct Koni
     shock numbers for the front??? The ones Koni lists are not
     the correct ones for our VelvetRide suspensions...

     On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at
     11:00 PM, Dale Maggio dalemaggio@...
     [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
     wrote:
     So today, the Sahara got all the old sealer peeled
     off the roof, new sealer put on everywhere, Tiger Trak
     installed front and rear, and new Koni's in the back
     (already had them in the front, and urathanes for the sway
     bars.



     Then to the tire place for 4 Toyos and Alcoas on the rear.
     (Front already has new Michleins and Alcoas.)



     Then to Quinn Catapillar for an Allison service.  It
     hadn't been done before that I know of so I like a
     baseline with a new vehicle.  And a re-program of the
     PacBrake/ECU.



     Here's the disappointments.  The Alli shifts hard in
     1st.  Both when accelerating and when stopping.  In fact
     when stopping it pretty much clunks into 1st.  When going
     up a steep driveway (mine) I usually set it to 1st and ease
     up the drive.  Now it seems to have no power and I have to
     rev the Cat much higher than before.



     2nd problem is the PacBrake.  It's been a long time
     since I took Brett's notes and I should have reviewed
     them before going to Quinn.  Factory setting has the
     PacBrake stepping down to 2nd gear.  I wanted it to only
     step down to 5th and I could take it from there.  The Quinn
     tech says there are only 3 adjustments for the Alli and the
     Pac: Auto - latching - Cruise.  It was in Auto, he set it
     to latching.  The Alli clunks into first without the
     ExBrake on so I know that isn't causing the hard
     shifting.



     So the questions are:  What do we re-program to get the
     ExBrake to only downshift to 5th?



     And what in the world is wrong with 1 gear?



     The Alcoa's have other problems, but I will talk about
     that in another post.



     -=Dale=-





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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37331 From: Ken Bates Date: 1/3/2018
    Subject: front shocks
    Hello to all and wishing you a happy new year. My latest obsession is trying to find a compatible front shock for my '95 Sahara with Magnum Chassis and leaf springs. The shock must be approx 21 inches extended and have both top and bottom 3/4 in I.D. bushings to go over my 3/4 in bolts. The Monroe equivalent is the 65432 model but no one in Quartzsite or Lake Havasu seem to be able to get their hands on this. I don't know the equivalents in the other shock makers such as Bilstein or Koni. I have looked at previous postings for the Koni and it leads to a number that fits on the GM P30 Chassis and that does not fit on mine. If anyone has those numbers, or whatever will work for me, I would appreciate your getting back to me. I have told them what I need and so far 3 places have ordered the wrong shock and it's wearing me out...not really but it is driving my wife crazy...delaying travel to wait for shocks to come in and then them being the wrong ones. Thanks to all. Ken
    '95 Sahara, 35 ft, 5.9 Cummins, 6 sp Allison.