I have a 99 TREK 28" RV and note that a lot of owners put on Bilstein shocks
front and back. Also I have heard a lot of complaints about the air bags in the
front, losing air quickly, difficult to get to check/fill point etc. Please
educate me about the suspension sys. problems and recommended ways to fix them.
Do the Bilstein shocks replace the air bags in the front? Any and all info much
appreciated. Richard Lechtenberg San Diego CA 800-768-8920

In spoke to the TREK newsletter editor, Norman Biggs, yesterday and he informs
me that original shocks tend to wear out at about 20-25,500 miles and he highly
recommends replacing them at that point with the Bilstein shocks as they are a
far superior product. No problems with the air bags although it is recommended
that extensions be put on them for ease of checking and filling. Richard
Lechtenberg F262706

At 02:07 AM 01/11/2000 +0000, you wrote:

>From: prieye@...
>
> May I suggest a call to the SMC Service center in Bradenton Florida.
>Speak with the Service manager for his opinions, and then let the newsgroup
>know what he suggested.
> As we are a small newsgroup at the moment there may not be anyone
>participating who can answer your question. Look for this to change after
>the SMC homecoming in February as I will be distributing leaflets to let all
>in attendance know about this Safari Newsgroup. In the meantime, spread the
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>we will all benefit from others experiences. Trust me on this, it can work !
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--- In Safarifriends@onelist.com, dickberg@x... wrote:

> I have a 99 TREK 28" RV and note that a lot of owners put on

Bilstein shocks

> front and back. Also I have heard a lot of complaints about the air

bags in the

> front, losing air quickly, difficult to get to check/fill point

etc. Please

> educate me about the suspension sys. problems and recommended ways

to fix them.

> Do the Bilstein shocks replace the air bags in the front? Any and

all info much

> appreciated. Richard Lechtenberg San Diego CA 800-768-8920

Being new to this group is one thing but being on my second Trek
makes me an "expert".
Read the owners manual and then have your rig weighted as per the
numerous articles on the subject. I had an Izusu before the Chevy
chassis I now own. The 93 trek was like driving a truck. I
installed steering devices, i.e. Steer Safe, and Bilstien shocks.
neither helped very much. The newer Trek, a 97 2830 model drives
like a Caddy and is actually fun to drive. I carry about 90 psi in
the airbags and will probably install Bilstiens at some later date
although I don't think them necessary at this time. I highly
recommend joining Norman"s Trek Talk newsletter for the scoup on
Treks. As regards steering..... check your bell crank mounting bolts
or have a mechanic check both bell cranks for proper tightness. I
found my bolts not quite tight on the last inspection of the chassis.
I hope this adds to the discussion and will look forward to more info.
I may also be reached by email at: wjmehard@...
Bill Mehard F180579

My 2 cents worth

I have a 1996 Trek 28 foot Gas Model. I keep AirBags
at 85-90 pounds. I do not notice any appreciable
leaks. Maybe I add 5-10 pounds a year.

I have installed the following:

1. Bilstein Gas Shocks Front and Rear
2. SteerSafe
3. Henderson Ball Bearing Bell Cranks
4. A 2 3/8 inch rubber spoiler under front bumper.

1. The Bilsteins gave the coach a firm feel after
reacting to a bounce. It is not a hard ride but it
does not allow the coach to get mushy on bumps.

2. The Steersafe is for sudden wheel turning movements
[aka a tire blowout] Have not had any blowouts but
people I have talked to that had a blowout felt the
Steersafe greatly aided their controlling coach.

3. Installed Henderson Bell Cranks and realy did not
notice any big difference. My coach steered very well
before installation.

4. Rubber spoiler reduces amount of air flowing
underneath coach at speed, therefore reducing lift
which can lighten front end creating wander. An
additional byproduct is because of lower pressure
underneath I created a suction effect thru radiator
and actually run cooler.

Terryl Johnson
Titusville, FL

--- wjmehard@... wrote:

> --- In Safarifriends@onelist.com, dickberg@x...
> wrote:
> > I have a 99 TREK 28" RV and note that a lot of
> owners put on
> Bilstein shocks
> > front and back. Also I have heard a lot of
> complaints about the air
> bags in the
> > front, losing air quickly, difficult to get to
> check/fill point
> etc. Please
> > educate me about the suspension sys. problems and
> recommended ways
> to fix them.
> > Do the Bilstein shocks replace the air bags in the
> front? Any and
> all info much
> > appreciated. Richard Lechtenberg San Diego CA
> 800-768-8920

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All,

Questions: Please, you old hands, give a wannabee a break and tell
me
the straight scoop. Jump in on any or all... maybe some of my
questions are stupid, but I will ask them anyway.

The Electro Majic Bed

Is the mechanical action of the bed trouble free
for the most part? I just read a post that mentioned a problem with
the mechanism and have heard about others that have had a problem.

Chassis

Seems like the newest is the P-32. Then I noticed that in '96 it was
the P-30. Even earlier it was Izusu. Would anyone know the history
of the chassis, the differences between them and how each rates as
far
as ride and stability are concerned?

Stabilizer bars and shocks

A lot is written about Treks (and many other) needing Bilstein shocks
and/or several brands of front and rear stabilizer bars. Does the
Trek need stabilizer bars? Any testimonials on brands? Do Treks
wander or sway with passing trucks? Which chassis does and does not?
Is there any difference in the way the 24' and 28' Treks handle on
the
road. Does one or the other have more of a tendency to sway or hop
on
older concrete highways? (pull trailers & 5th wheels really can jerk
on some roads). Any problems with Toads causing adverse road
handling
(or jerking)?

Power of gas vs. diesel

I have heard that the diesel does not have enough power for the Trek.
I don't know if the diesel mentioned was the early Izusu 4-cyl or the
newer GM. I would think that a gas 290 hp (torque 410) would produce
more power than the diesel 190 hp (torque 385). Obviously, the
diesel
should get better fuel economy. What MPG are you getting - gas and
diesel?

Braking

Does the diesel come with an exhaust brake? Does it need one?

Any design faults and Misc

Any leaky roofs or other fairly common problems? Is roof caulking
required often? With a hard roof, I would think so. I understand
the
framing is metal... is there any wood in the framing? Any problems
with servicing engines or systems? Any favorite modifications or add
ons?

We are going to get a look at a 2430 this weekend so maybe some of
the
above questions will be answered then.

Hoping to be more than a Wannabee soon! Thanks for any comment.

Cliff

I can only answer a few of your questions......
The magic bed, like anything else, needs to be maintained. Check the bolts,
gears, track, etc, for signs of a problem before allowing it to occur.
Diesels will maintain their rated horsepower at altitude where a gas engine
will lose about 10 hp for every 1000 feet in elevation you climb. A diesel
driven moderately should yield you much better gas mileage than a gas
engine.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Stripling" <striplic@...>
To: <Safarifriends@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Newbie Questions:


> All,
>
> Questions: Please, you old hands, give a wannabee a break and tell
> me
> the straight scoop. Jump in on any or all... maybe some of my
> questions are stupid, but I will ask them anyway.
>
> The Electro Majic Bed
>
> Is the mechanical action of the bed trouble free
> for the most part? I just read a post that mentioned a problem with
> the mechanism and have heard about others that have had a problem.
>
> Chassis
>
> Seems like the newest is the P-32. Then I noticed that in '96 it was
> the P-30. Even earlier it was Izusu. Would anyone know the history
> of the chassis, the differences between them and how each rates as
> far
> as ride and stability are concerned?
>
> Stabilizer bars and shocks
>
> A lot is written about Treks (and many other) needing Bilstein shocks
> and/or several brands of front and rear stabilizer bars. Does the
> Trek need stabilizer bars? Any testimonials on brands? Do Treks
> wander or sway with passing trucks? Which chassis does and does not?
> Is there any difference in the way the 24' and 28' Treks handle on
> the
> road. Does one or the other have more of a tendency to sway or hop
> on
> older concrete highways? (pull trailers & 5th wheels really can jerk
> on some roads). Any problems with Toads causing adverse road
> handling
> (or jerking)?
>
> Power of gas vs. diesel
>
> I have heard that the diesel does not have enough power for the Trek.
> I don't know if the diesel mentioned was the early Izusu 4-cyl or the
> newer GM. I would think that a gas 290 hp (torque 410) would produce
> more power than the diesel 190 hp (torque 385). Obviously, the
> diesel
> should get better fuel economy. What MPG are you getting - gas and
> diesel?
>
> Braking
>
> Does the diesel come with an exhaust brake? Does it need one?
>
> Any design faults and Misc
>
> Any leaky roofs or other fairly common problems? Is roof caulking
> required often? With a hard roof, I would think so. I understand
> the
> framing is metal... is there any wood in the framing? Any problems
> with servicing engines or systems? Any favorite modifications or add
> ons?
>
> We are going to get a look at a 2430 this weekend so maybe some of
> the
> above questions will be answered then.
>
> Hoping to be more than a Wannabee soon! Thanks for any comment.
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
>
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I can comment on the Isuzu version of the Trek. We owned a 91, without a
Magic bed before trading up to a larger Safari. The Isuzu had adequate power
assuming towing a car is not a priority. (I talked to the owner of a
relatively new 28 footer recently and he claims good success towing.) Like
most motor homes you do hope for a passing lane on the long, steep hills. On
the narrower, winding roads you can seldom go faster than the engine will
allow anyway. The economy was a welcome advantage. We averaged about 12.5
miles per gallon and occasionally got over 13.5. The Isuzu came with exhaust
brakes, I don't think the GM diesels do, our Kalahari doesn't have one, but
the big disk brakes stop it just fine and you do get some enging compression
braking, though not as much as on a gas engine.

The overall quality of the Trek, IMHO, was very good. We had no wandering
problems, but notable, our Kalahari, which we bought used, has add on
stabilizers and air suspension, so??? We had over 70k, everything worked
but the backup camera and the whole rig was amazingly free of leaks, squeeks
and rattles considering it's a big box flexing down the road.

All things being equal, I would look for a diesel. Also, I wouldn't choose a
magic bed rig if your partner's slleping habits aren't the same as yours. I
arise very early. My wife doesn't and a magic bed would be a serious
problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: RG [mailto:prieye@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 9:00 PM
To: Safarifriends@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Newbie Questions:


I can only answer a few of your questions......
The magic bed, like anything else, needs to be maintained. Check the bolts,
gears, track, etc, for signs of a problem before allowing it to occur.
Diesels will maintain their rated horsepower at altitude where a gas engine
will lose about 10 hp for every 1000 feet in elevation you climb. A diesel
driven moderately should yield you much better gas mileage than a gas
engine.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Stripling" <striplic@...>
To: <Safarifriends@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Newbie Questions:


> All,
>
> Questions: Please, you old hands, give a wannabee a break and tell
> me
> the straight scoop. Jump in on any or all... maybe some of my
> questions are stupid, but I will ask them anyway.
>
> The Electro Majic Bed
>
> Is the mechanical action of the bed trouble free
> for the most part? I just read a post that mentioned a problem with
> the mechanism and have heard about others that have had a problem.
>
> Chassis
>
> Seems like the newest is the P-32. Then I noticed that in '96 it was
> the P-30. Even earlier it was Izusu. Would anyone know the history
> of the chassis, the differences between them and how each rates as
> far
> as ride and stability are concerned?
>
> Stabilizer bars and shocks
>
> A lot is written about Treks (and many other) needing Bilstein shocks
> and/or several brands of front and rear stabilizer bars. Does the
> Trek need stabilizer bars? Any testimonials on brands? Do Treks
> wander or sway with passing trucks? Which chassis does and does not?
> Is there any difference in the way the 24' and 28' Treks handle on
> the
> road. Does one or the other have more of a tendency to sway or hop
> on
> older concrete highways? (pull trailers & 5th wheels really can jerk
> on some roads). Any problems with Toads causing adverse road
> handling
> (or jerking)?
>
> Power of gas vs. diesel
>
> I have heard that the diesel does not have enough power for the Trek.
> I don't know if the diesel mentioned was the early Izusu 4-cyl or the
> newer GM. I would think that a gas 290 hp (torque 410) would produce
> more power than the diesel 190 hp (torque 385). Obviously, the
> diesel
> should get better fuel economy. What MPG are you getting - gas and
> diesel?
>
> Braking
>
> Does the diesel come with an exhaust brake? Does it need one?
>
> Any design faults and Misc
>
> Any leaky roofs or other fairly common problems? Is roof caulking
> required often? With a hard roof, I would think so. I understand
> the
> framing is metal... is there any wood in the framing? Any problems
> with servicing engines or systems? Any favorite modifications or add
> ons?
>
> We are going to get a look at a 2430 this weekend so maybe some of
> the
> above questions will be answered then.
>
> Hoping to be more than a Wannabee soon! Thanks for any comment.
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
>
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--- In Safarifriends@egroups.com, "Cliff Stripling" <striplic@t...>
wrote:

> All,
>
> Questions: Please, you old hands, give a wannabee a break and tell
> me
> the straight scoop. Jump in on any or all... maybe some of my
> questions are stupid, but I will ask them anyway.
>
> The Electro Majic Bed
>
> Is the mechanical action of the bed trouble free
> for the most part? I just read a post that mentioned a problem with
> the mechanism and have heard about others that have had a problem.
>

I have a 94, Izusu and had to replace the EMB motor last year. In the
Izusu it is a real pain since the bed is slightly forward from the
Chevy and if the bed is stuck in the down position (as mine was)
while remote camping in Washington State. I finally figured out how
to remove the bed from the tracks, cut the wiring and move the bed
back and hang it between the top of the couch and the chair. Braced
it there, put the mattress on the floor and continued my trip. Motor
was replace for about $700.

> Chassis
>
> Seems like the newest is the P-32. Then I noticed that in '96 it

was

> the P-30. Even earlier it was Izusu. Would anyone know the

history

> of the chassis, the differences between them and how each rates as
> far
> as ride and stability are concerned?

Izusu was used through 94. We where at the Homecoming that year and
all kind of stories were floating around. One was that the Izusa
chassis had gotten so expensive that Safri felt it would be priced
out of the market. Another stories was that GM trying to get the
motorhome industry in their desiel made Safri an offer that couldn't
be refused. Another story is that a change in California regulations
concerning braking would require the use of the next size up Izusu
chassis and again that was a cost problem for Safri.

In general the Izusu chassis and engine are much more heavier
constructed and much more reliable with a very long life. The Izusu
NPR chassis is the bases for the most popular delivery vans in the
world. BUT. The Izusu is very underpowered for hill climbing. I can
easily go way too fast on level ground, 75 or so, but on a grade
forget it. Usually top a long 6% grade at about 25. The worst in
starting from dead stop on a grade, a turtle will beat me.The Izusa
is noisy and more hard riding than the P-30 and the chassis is 6"
narrower. The bed is more forward, giving more headroom in the living
area but required the seats to be raked back to lower the bed. The
Izusu 24 has very limited storage.

So for speed, comfort and slighty more room, the Chevy. For
reliablity and life span in the 200K mile range the Izusu. For me,
the next step in a 30 foot Safri or Beaver when I can find the right
one and sell my Trek.

>
> Stabilizer bars and shocks
>

I use the Safty Steer, it works great and was a major help. I also
installed some Trimprims, which are hard rubber mounts at all 4
corners between axle and body. They make the ride even firmer but
elimiate body sway on corners. Mine handles like a sport car now. A
slow and hard riding sport car.

> A lot is written about Treks (and many other) needing Bilstein

shocks

> and/or several brands of front and rear stabilizer bars. Does the
> Trek need stabilizer bars? Any testimonials on brands? Do Treks
> wander or sway with passing trucks? Which chassis does and does

not?

I have 45K miles on Standard shocks, next replacement I will use
Bilstins.

> Is there any difference in the way the 24' and 28' Treks handle on
> the
> road. Does one or the other have more of a tendency to sway or hop
> on
> older concrete highways? (pull trailers & 5th wheels really can

jerk

> on some roads). Any problems with Toads causing adverse road
> handling
> (or jerking)?
>

I tow a Mercury Capri conv with no problems. I don't even notice it.

> Power of gas vs. diesel
>
> I have heard that the diesel does not have enough power for the

Trek.

> I don't know if the diesel mentioned was the early Izusu 4-cyl or

the

> newer GM. I would think that a gas 290 hp (torque 410) would

produce

> more power than the diesel 190 hp (torque 385). Obviously, the
> diesel
> should get better fuel economy. What MPG are you getting - gas and
> diesel?

The Izusa came only in diesel and I get about 12.5 mpg

>
> Braking
>
> Does the diesel come with an exhaust brake? Does it need one?

Izusu came with exhaust break and it works great.

>
> Any design faults and Misc
>
> Any leaky roofs or other fairly common problems? Is roof caulking
> required often? With a hard roof, I would think so. I understand
> the
> framing is metal... is there any wood in the framing? Any problems
> with servicing engines or systems? Any favorite modifications or

add

> ons?

Roof, I have just started having leaks and am looking into how to
reseal.

Ernie, Ventura Ca

Springs should last almost forever. The first culprit would be the shocks.
It is their job to smooth out the ride. How many miles did you say were on
the vehicle ? RG

----- Original Message -----
From: "george" <avt2000@...>
To: <Safarifriends@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] ride


> the ride is very hard if you go over a bump the dash shakes it is like
poor
> spring action??
>
> george
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: RG

To: Safarifriends@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:42 AM

Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] ride

Springs should last almost forever. The first culprit would be the shocks.
It is their job to smooth out the ride. How many miles did you say were on
the vehicle ? RG
----- Original Message -----
From: "george" <avt2000@...>
To: <Safarifriends@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] ride


> the ride is very hard if you go over a bump the dash shakes it is like
poor
> spring action??
>
> george
>
>
>
>
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hi

does anybody have a source for the shocks if possible part no my vehicule
is 1991 safari trek 28 ft.

I plan to take it down to mexico again this winter so better ride is
important

george

There is no doubt in my mind that a reputable Midas Muffler and Shock type
store could easily set you up with new shocks just by measuring yours. Heck,
I bet SEARS could do it. RG

----- Original Message -----
From: "george" <avt2000@...>
To: <Safarifriends@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] rideain this winter


>
> hi
>
> does anybody have a source for the shocks if possible part no my vehicule
> is 1991 safari trek 28 ft.
>
> I plan to take it down to mexico again this winter so better ride is
> important
>
> george
>
>
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Thanks to all for the input on bed entry. We found a folding step
from Fred Meyers made by Samsonite with a padded top step
that will fold and fit under the sleeper sofa (we think) . We are
in a rather odd situation in that the unit we purchased has no
instructions or warranty paperworwork. We are hoping to be
able to replace these later but in the meantime we hope to
get alot of our little questions answered here. Do we have
a rubber roof? How about a steering stabilizer? Bilstein
shocks? Should we get a ladder to the top & do they usually
come from the factory with one? Is a superfan in the bathroom
worthwhile or should we stick with the little fan thats already
there? Being here in Fairbanks we don't really have an easy
option of hitting the Rallys or RV shows so we are really going
to be dependent upon advice from our Trekkie friends for a
while. Thank you all very much for your help. Denny & Nancy

----- Original Message -----

From: nancimac@...

To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:46 AM

Subject: [Safarifriends] Thanks All! We got more questions!

Thanks to all for the input on bed entry. We found a folding step
from Fred Meyers made by Samsonite with a padded top step
that will fold and fit under the sleeper sofa (we think) . We are
in a rather odd situation in that the unit we purchased  has no
instructions or warranty paperworwork. We are hoping to be
able to replace these later but in the meantime we hope to
get  alot of our little questions answered here. Do we have
a rubber roof? How about a steering stabilizer? Bilstein
shocks? Should we get a ladder to the top & do they usually
come from the factory with one? Is a superfan in the bathroom
worthwhile or should we stick with the little fan thats already
there? Being here in Fairbanks we don't really have an easy
option of  hitting the Rallys or RV shows so we are really going
to be dependent upon advice from our Trekkie friends for a
while. Thank you all very much for your help. Denny & Nancy 



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Hello All. I had a problem with the steering when I bought my 93 Kalahari.
Here is what I did to fix it. First I installed a Steer Safe Stabilizer. Nice
improvement, firmer feel, added a center feel, but I wanted to make it better
still. Next I replaced the shocks with Bilstein's. Better still but not quite
there yet. I had the alignment checked (it was good) and the tires balanced.
The front tires needed balancing so this helped still more. Lastly I found a
table for proper tire inflation for a given weight. I took the coach to a
truck scale and had it weighed. I found that I could reduce the pressure in
the front tires and still have plenty of load carrying capability. I reduced
the pressure in the tires and I'm happy with the steering now. FYI The
Kalahari has a Spicer front axle and a Spartan 1K chassis. You can check out
the installation of the Steer Safe at my web site (projects page). It was a
snap to install and I recommend it. They are a good bunch of people also.
http://www.steersafe.com/
The tire inflation table is here. http://www.trucktires.com/Loadinfl/b4-3.htm
I hope I don't offend anyone by adding URL's to my post. Some groups get
upset about doing that.
God bless
Slider
http://www.austintec.net/rv

SAS wrote:

> >>>What year is your 28 ft TREK and how many miles and diesel or gas
> ?????and
> who replaced the bellcranks and the other stuff. and about how much$$$$$$
> We
> have been thinking about it but have conflicting info... Thanks.ELLEN<<<
>
> Ellen,
>
> I have not done any of the work yet. I was only curious if anyone had done
> any modification to the suspension, and what their result was.
>
> For the record we have a 24 ft. Trek with a 6.5 liter diesel (1998)
>
> Shawn
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I have a '94 trek 24' on an Isuzu diesel Chassis. I too added the Steer Safe and the Bilstien Shocks, which added a much better ride and handling properties. It was money well spent. I also added a system called Propane Infusion, which increased the power for better hill climbing and faster get-up and go--safer entering freeways.

Today we looked at the new 2001 Treks and are almost ready to
purchase one. They had the new 8.1L Votec and a wide track front end
on both the 24' and 28' models. After reading about all of the
modifications to the chassis on Treks up to this model, I am
wondering if these changes to the Workhorse eliminates them. Does
anybody on this group have one of the new wide tracks with the 340HP
engine? It never made sense to me to buy a new MH and then have to
install new heavier shocks, stabilizer bars, etc to make it handle
properly. I have been putting off buying a Trek hoping all of the
handling problems would be eliminated. I still like to older boxy
design but at least the front wheels now come all of the way to the
outside of the body. Comments please.
Larry Hasiak

Hi All,

As a wanabee I've been reading all the archival material with great
interest, and have now found a 28ft '93 Trek (rear QB + EMG in
front), and would appreciate any comments from those familar with
this model/year.

This nice looking Pathfinder Edition Isuzu diesel only has 40,000
miles and the owner states that notwithstanding slow performance
going up grades, it cruises nicely at 60 MPH and gets 12-13 MPG with
little oil useage. Would that be consistent with other's
experiences?

I've seen other comments about Steer Safe and Bilstein shocks (which
this unit does not have), but wondered if handling performance is
compromised without them? The RV Consumer group gave this Trek a
poor safety rating due to its short wheelbase/length ratio and
placement of the freshwater tank. However, do owners of this unit
share that concern based on their driving experiences?

I'll have a qualified mechanic check out all systems before
purchasing, but if there's anything in particular to lookout for I'm
all ears!! :)

Thanks for sharing any comments.

Rich

I owned a similar 91 Trek with about 80k miles and the information you have
on performance and economy is right on. I did not have the upgraded shocks
or the steer safe and the handling was adequate. The smaller engine has the
additional benefit of being chealer to maintain. About $50 for an oil/filter
change as opposed to $100 on the GM diesel Kalahari. However, I bought a
newer Kalahari with steer safe. It is nicer on rutted freeways and when
being passed by big rigs. The only reason we traded up was the need for more
space. We didn't want the majic bed so did not buy a newer Trek.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: trek@... [mailto:trek@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:03 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] '93 Trek


Hi All,

As a wanabee I've been reading all the archival material with great
interest, and have now found a 28ft '93 Trek (rear QB + EMG in
front), and would appreciate any comments from those familar with
this model/year.

This nice looking Pathfinder Edition Isuzu diesel only has 40,000
miles and the owner states that notwithstanding slow performance
going up grades, it cruises nicely at 60 MPH and gets 12-13 MPG with
little oil useage. Would that be consistent with other's
experiences?

I've seen other comments about Steer Safe and Bilstein shocks (which
this unit does not have), but wondered if handling performance is
compromised without them? The RV Consumer group gave this Trek a
poor safety rating due to its short wheelbase/length ratio and
placement of the freshwater tank. However, do owners of this unit
share that concern based on their driving experiences?

I'll have a qualified mechanic check out all systems before
purchasing, but if there's anything in particular to lookout for I'm
all ears!! :)

Thanks for sharing any comments.

Rich


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I have a '94 trek-24'. I am amazed at what that little Isuzu diesel
does. Until I need extra power for diff. reasons, it performs very
well. Mileage is great & handling was satisfactory. But I wante d
better, so I had Camping World install the Bilstien Shocks and the
Steer- Safe unit & they improved handeling & ride a lot. I consider it
money well spent. The weight to horsepower ratio for diesels showed the
24' unit performance in hill pulling to be adequate, and the 28' to be
underpowered. that's why I purchased the 24'. But you can improve that
considerably by installing a Propane Infusion system, which I did on my
unit. I'll repeat what I've written in the past. With this system my
performance is equal to the 454 powered sportscoach I previously owned.
We're talking about a 3.9 ltr. diesel compared to a 7.2 ltr. gas
motor--almost double the diff. I now avge. 14 to 15 mpg, with an
occasional 16 & 17 mpg. I can climb hills 10 mph faster than before.
Almost sounds like a sales pitch, but it isn't. It's just that I now
love my unit so much I don't plan to ever get rid of it. With a poss.
300,000 mi. service before it needs a simple re-build, it will outlast
me. I'm 71 yrs. young. Drive it, & if you're satisfied with the
performance, then I would buy it. If not I would recommend doing what I
did & you will have one heck of a unit. Isuzu has been building and
selling diesel trucks worldwide since the 20's or 30's. They're are not
newcomers with diesel units. Anyhow if it checks out well mechanically
I would highly recommend it.
If yu do buy it and later want to improve power & performance, e-mail me
& I'll give you the address to where I bought mine.
Good luck!!
fr140@...

May poverty always be a days march behind us !

Hi, I have a 94 Model 2830 with 50K miles. Getting ready to leave on
a 3 month to 6 month trip to the East coast in 2 weeks. Live in
Ventura CA and over the past 6 years have done the entire West Coast
but never across the Mississippi. Heading North to Seattle then right
to New Bruswick then right to Key West, then right and home. Whether
we end up with the Trek at home will be dependend upon what we find
for sale on the road. At A show today I saw a Beaver 33 which sure
looked good.

Our Trek had the Steer-safe but still factory shocks. Thinking about
the Bilsteins. A few years ago install the Trimbrim rubber isolators
on both axles which removed body sway but harden the ride.

Also in 1996 I too had the failed EMB and, of course, on an Isuzi,
that is a real problem since one cannot drive with the bed down.

After numerous phoncalls I talked to a tech at Safri who told me the
only way to get the bed out of the way was to remove the track and
lift in back. Which we did, lying across the coach from the top of
the couch to the little table. Drove like that for a thousand miles
sleeping on the floor at night. When I got to Harrrisburg told they
couldn't get to me for 6 weeks. Plus the usual crap about the bed
motor never fails. Found out later that I was the 2nd person in
customer service that day with a failed bed. Well eventually a new
motor in, everything works find and now onto the road again.

Our 1994 Model 2830 has left home in Ventura Ca starting its 4 month
clockwise circle of the US. Today is day 6 and we are leaving San
Fransico heading North on Route 1, next planned stop Grants Pass
Oregon for new shocks at Henderson's, then on to Asland for the plays.

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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:14 AM

Subject: [Safarifriends] Treking around the country

Our 1994 Model 2830 has left home in Ventura Ca starting its 4 month
clockwise circle of the US. Today is day 6 and we are leaving San
Fransico heading North on Route 1, next planned stop Grants Pass
Oregon for new shocks at Henderson's, then on to Asland for the plays.


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Two years ago, when we were looking for a Trek, we drove two older
(93 &94) models)Isuzu's. We live in Arizona and the ability to climb
was important to me since I tow a 98 Jeep Wrangler with lift and 33"
tires. (probably outways your Outback Sport). In any case, I was not
impressed with the Isuzu and decided that I needed the big block
chevy. I then drove a newer Trek that had a big block (454) but was
not the new generation Vortec engine. Impressed but still not sold on
it. Then I drove the 98 with the Vortec motor. I was definetly
impressed and although I originally had no intent of purchasing a new
coach, I did just to get the Vortec motor. My 98 is not a Workhorse
chassis but is considered a P32 and I do not think there is much
difference. I have installed Bilstein Shocks and a Steer Safe. (both
worth the money) Only other thing I am considering is the Banks
setup. I really don't think it is necessary for most users but I have
a habit of modifying just about everything I own and I would like to
see if it really is possible to climb out of Salt River Canyon in
third gear vs second while towing the jeep. With 15,000 miles, maybe
all the bugs have been worked out of the coach by the previous owner.
I hope so because my coach has been a nightmare since I bought it.
Two Generators, two Air Conditioners, three windows replaced, roof
leaks, floor leaks on and on and on. Don't get me wrong, we love our
Trek but I really wish the SMC would get a new dictionary and look up
the phrase "Quality Control". Another story, another day. The
numbers do not sound bad on the trade but as you know, the RV market
is so fickle that what looks good today may be off base tomorrow.

Good luck with your decision.

Rick Buddrus
Tucson

--- In Safarifriends@y..., steel_knee@y... wrote:
> While kicking tires in Junction City I got serious with a dealer
and
> got the following offer,
>
> MY perfect 94 Isuzi 2830 with 53,000 miles and $35,800 for a
perfect
> 99 Vortec 2830 with 15,000 miles. I'm considering it since I'm a
> little tired of crawling up grades and just bougt a tow car that is
> 550 lbs heavier than the one I had. Replaced a 2550 ilb 94 Capri
XR2
> with a 3050 lb 2002 Outback Sport.
>
> ANy comments on the trade numbers, or the idea of going from the
> Isuzi to the Workhouse?

--- In Safarifriends@y..., "Rick Buddrus" <rbuddrus@e...> wrote:

> Two years ago, when we were looking for a Trek, we drove two older
> (93 &94) models)Isuzu's. We live in Arizona and the ability to

climb

> was important to me since I tow a 98 Jeep Wrangler with lift and

33"

> tires. (probably outways your Outback Sport). In any case, I was

not

> impressed with the Isuzu and decided that I needed the big block
> chevy. I then drove a newer Trek that had a big block (454) but was
> not the new generation Vortec engine. Impressed but still not sold

on

> it. Then I drove the 98 with the Vortec motor. I was definetly
> impressed and although I originally had no intent of purchasing a

new

> coach, I did just to get the Vortec motor. My 98 is not a Workhorse
> chassis but is considered a P32 and I do not think there is much
> difference. I have installed Bilstein Shocks and a Steer Safe.

(both

> worth the money) Only other thing I am considering is the Banks
> setup. I really don't think it is necessary for most users but I

have

> a habit of modifying just about everything I own and I would like

to

> see if it really is possible to climb out of Salt River Canyon in
> third gear vs second while towing the jeep. With 15,000 miles,

maybe

> all the bugs have been worked out of the coach by the previous

owner.

> I hope so because my coach has been a nightmare since I bought it.
> Two Generators, two Air Conditioners, three windows replaced, roof
> leaks, floor leaks on and on and on. Don't get me wrong, we love

our

> Trek but I really wish the SMC would get a new dictionary and look

up

> the phrase "Quality Control". Another story, another day. The
> numbers do not sound bad on the trade but as you know, the RV

market

> is so fickle that what looks good today may be off base tomorrow.
>
> Good luck with your decision.
>
> Rick Buddrus
> Tucson
>
> --- In Safarifriends@y..., steel_knee@y... wrote:
> > While kicking tires in Junction City I got serious with a dealer
> and
> > got the following offer,
> >
> > MY perfect 94 Isuzi 2830 with 53,000 miles and $35,800 for a
> perfect
> > 99 Vortec 2830 with 15,000 miles. I'm considering it since I'm a
> > little tired of crawling up grades and just bougt a tow car that

is

> > 550 lbs heavier than the one I had. Replaced a 2550 ilb 94 Capri
> XR2
> > with a 3050 lb 2002 Outback Sport.
> >
> > ANy comments on the trade numbers, or the idea of going from the
> > Isuzi to the Workhouse?

'steel knee'-Re the Banks power pack on your 99 Vortec. I put one on my
2000 Trek 2830 and was amazed at the difference, primarily in that it didn't
upshift as much on a slight grade. I can pull grades now in high gear
without shifting and when it does shift it doesn't shift as much as before
the installation. Mileage doesn't seem to be much different; I get about 9
without towing and 8.5 when towing a Honda Accord at highway speeds. In
summary, I think if you were to install it, you would definitely like the
behavior on hills, particularly in the areas of the country where we have a
lot of them, and would definitely notice the difference in horsepower.


Clay Burke
'cburke@...'


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1. Re: Re: Treking around the country
From: Ernie Thorpe <steel_knee@...>
2. Thinking about another Trek
From: steel_knee@...
3. Re: Thinking about another Trek
From: "James Bassett" <jambon@...>
4. Re: Thinking about another Trek
From: "Rick Buddrus" <rbuddrus@...>
5. Re: Thinking about another Trek
From: "Rick Buddrus" <rbuddrus@...>
6. Re: Thinking about another Trek
From: steel_knee@...


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ernie Thorpe <steel_knee@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Treking around the country


--- steel_knee@... wrote:

> --- In Safarifriends@y..., "Gary Wolfer" <gary@r...>
> wrote:
> > My name is Gary Wolfer we recently purchased a 94
> Safari Sahara. We
> live in the country between Lebanon and Albany Or.
> just off 1-5 If
> you are traveling this way you would be more welcome
> to camp at our
> place for a few nites there is electric hook-up here
> and plenty of
> room and a beautiful view. Please feel free to call
> me at out toll
> free# at 1-800-229-5342 and let me know if you would
> like also if you
> are going to be in this area the albany pre rally
> will be august 8th
> thru 11th and the fmca rally is right after that
> many people will be
> going to Redmond in a caravan sounds like fun. Have
> fun on your trip
> I know you will probably need to save money for a
> venture like this
> so feel free to stay here if you like sincerely Gary
>
> Gary, Thank you, that was a very nice offer. Just
> read our mail
> tonight. We are staying the night at Guarnty RV in
> Junction City.
> Looking and kicking tires on new rigs. Have to get
> the tow bar
> brackets on my tow car welding tommorrow, bed them
> hitting a curb
> while trying to make a too tight u-turn. So we will
> be here at leaqst
> tommorrow. Also waiting to pick up mail in Eugene.
> If you have time
> for coffee, my cell number is 8705-794-5086.
>
> Opps, my cell number is area code 805 not 705. Well

we have decided to go to Albany pre-rally. Staying in
Portland tonight after three dqays on coast. Bought a
new tow car in Eugene, a 2002 Outback Sport but
roadmaster brackets for it wouldn't be ready for a
week. Driving alone with wife driving the car has been
a pleasant change for a week.


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:10:09 -0000
From: steel_knee@...
Subject: Thinking about another Trek

While kicking tires in Junction City I got serious with a dealer and
got the following offer,

MY perfect 94 Isuzi 2830 with 53,000 miles and $35,800 for a perfect
99 Vortec 2830 with 15,000 miles. I'm considering it since I'm a
little tired of crawling up grades and just bougt a tow car that is
550 lbs heavier than the one I had. Replaced a 2550 ilb 94 Capri XR2
with a 3050 lb 2002 Outback Sport.

ANy comments on the trade numbers, or the idea of going from the
Isuzi to the Workhouse?



________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 06:25:30 -0600
From: "James Bassett" <jambon@...>
Subject: Re: Thinking about another Trek

are you keeping the house part and just exchanging chassis?
Thats what it sounds like. I never heard of this but I guess it would
work out ok if it doesn't cost to much to exchage chassis. Jim
in NM



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:21:41 -0000
From: "Rick Buddrus" <rbuddrus@...>
Subject: Re: Thinking about another Trek

Two years ago, when we were looking for a Trek, we drove two older
(93 &94) models)Isuzu's. We live in Arizona and the ability to climb
was important to me since I tow a 98 Jeep Wrangler with lift and 33"
tires. (probably outways your Outback Sport). In any case, I was not
impressed with the Isuzu and decided that I needed the big block
chevy. I then drove a newer Trek that had a big block (454) but was
not the new generation Vortec engine. Impressed but still not sold on
it. Then I drove the 98 with the Vortec motor. I was definetly
impressed and although I originally had no intent of purchasing a new
coach, I did just to get the Vortec motor. My 98 is not a Workhorse
chassis but is considered a P32 and I do not think there is much
difference. I have installed Bilstein Shocks and a Steer Safe. (both
worth the money) Only other thing I am considering is the Banks
setup. I really don't think it is necessary for most users but I have
a habit of modifying just about everything I own and I would like to
see if it really is possible to climb out of Salt River Canyon in
third gear vs second while towing the jeep. With 15,000 miles, maybe
all the bugs have been worked out of the coach by the previous owner.
I hope so because my coach has been a nightmare since I bought it.
Two Generators, two Air Conditioners, three windows replaced, roof
leaks, floor leaks on and on and on. Don't get me wrong, we love our
Trek but I really wish the SMC would get a new dictionary and look up
the phrase "Quality Control". Another story, another day. The
numbers do not sound bad on the trade but as you know, the RV market
is so fickle that what looks good today may be off base tomorrow.

Good luck with your decision.

Rick Buddrus
Tucson

--- In Safarifriends@y..., steel_knee@y... wrote:
> While kicking tires in Junction City I got serious with a dealer
and
> got the following offer,
>
> MY perfect 94 Isuzi 2830 with 53,000 miles and $35,800 for a
perfect
> 99 Vortec 2830 with 15,000 miles. I'm considering it since I'm a
> little tired of crawling up grades and just bougt a tow car that is
> 550 lbs heavier than the one I had. Replaced a 2550 ilb 94 Capri
XR2
> with a 3050 lb 2002 Outback Sport.
>
> ANy comments on the trade numbers, or the idea of going from the
> Isuzi to the Workhouse?



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:27:39 -0000
From: "Rick Buddrus" <rbuddrus@...>
Subject: Re: Thinking about another Trek



Maybe next time I will check my message for errors before I send it
out. Replace "outways" with "outweighs" please.

Thanks

Rick
Tucson


--- In Safarifriends@y..., steel_knee@y... wrote:
> While kicking tires in Junction City I got serious with a dealer
and
> got the following offer,
>
> MY perfect 94 Isuzi 2830 with 53,000 miles and $35,800 for a
perfect
> 99 Vortec 2830 with 15,000 miles. I'm considering it since I'm a
> little tired of crawling up grades and just bougt a tow car that is
> 550 lbs heavier than the one I had. Replaced a 2550 ilb 94 Capri
XR2
> with a 3050 lb 2002 Outback Sport.
>
> ANy comments on the trade numbers, or the idea of going from the
> Isuzi to the Workhouse?



________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 04:35:45 -0000
From: steel_knee@...
Subject: Re: Thinking about another Trek

--- In Safarifriends@y..., "Rick Buddrus" <rbuddrus@e...> wrote:
> Two years ago, when we were looking for a Trek, we drove two older
> (93 &94) models)Isuzu's. We live in Arizona and the ability to
climb
> was important to me since I tow a 98 Jeep Wrangler with lift and
33"
> tires. (probably outways your Outback Sport). In any case, I was
not
> impressed with the Isuzu and decided that I needed the big block
> chevy. I then drove a newer Trek that had a big block (454) but was
> not the new generation Vortec engine. Impressed but still not sold
on
> it. Then I drove the 98 with the Vortec motor. I was definetly
> impressed and although I originally had no intent of purchasing a
new
> coach, I did just to get the Vortec motor. My 98 is not a Workhorse
> chassis but is considered a P32 and I do not think there is much
> difference. I have installed Bilstein Shocks and a Steer Safe.
(both
> worth the money) Only other thing I am considering is the Banks
> setup. I really don't think it is necessary for most users but I
have
> a habit of modifying just about everything I own and I would like
to
> see if it really is possible to climb out of Salt River Canyon in
> third gear vs second while towing the jeep. With 15,000 miles,
maybe
> all the bugs have been worked out of the coach by the previous
owner.
> I hope so because my coach has been a nightmare since I bought it.
> Two Generators, two Air Conditioners, three windows replaced, roof
> leaks, floor leaks on and on and on. Don't get me wrong, we love
our
> Trek but I really wish the SMC would get a new dictionary and look
up
> the phrase "Quality Control". Another story, another day. The
> numbers do not sound bad on the trade but as you know, the RV
market
> is so fickle that what looks good today may be off base tomorrow.
>
> Good luck with your decision.
>
> Rick Buddrus
> Tucson
>
> --- In Safarifriends@y..., steel_knee@y... wrote:
> > While kicking tires in Junction City I got serious with a dealer
> and
> > got the following offer,
> >
> > MY perfect 94 Isuzi 2830 with 53,000 miles and $35,800 for a
> perfect
> > 99 Vortec 2830 with 15,000 miles. I'm considering it since I'm a
> > little tired of crawling up grades and just bougt a tow car that
is
> > 550 lbs heavier than the one I had. Replaced a 2550 ilb 94 Capri
> XR2
> > with a 3050 lb 2002 Outback Sport.
> >
> > ANy comments on the trade numbers, or the idea of going from the
> > Isuzi to the Workhouse?



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--- fqo63@... wrote:

> Hello everyone..
> I just found this board and hope to take advantage
> of your experience.
> My wife and I are interested in the advantages and
> disadvantages of
> the various Trek lay-outs, the Magic Bed, Isuzu vs.
> the later,
> larger, diesel engines. Of particular interest, as I
> do my own
> maintenance, is the accessability of the V8 diesels
> for such things
> as changing belts and radiator hoses, adjusting
> valves, removing and
> replacing injectors, etc.
> We are planning to move abourd our new Trek full
> time and travel
> every back road we come to. Trek's reputation for
> being a quality MH
> is one of many reasons for this choice.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help..Tad & Sherry
>
> I have a 94 Trek 2830, an Isuzu, but have several

times considered buying a newer one. So let me comment
on the differences.

The Isuzu is 6" narrower than the GM. The electromajic
bed is further forward in the cab, so you have to
lower the seats to lower bed all the way, an
unnecessary step in the GM. But the bed further
forward has one small and one large advantage. The
small is that the point of lesser headroom in the
Isuzu is in the driver's area, not the living area,
unimportant unless you are 6"3 which I am. The bigger
disadvantage of the bed position in the GM is that in
order to move the bed back they moved the door 6" to
the rear, hence limiting the space around the table.

Frame size and long term chassis reliability better in
the Isuzu. Power MUCH better in the GM gas engine. I
have heard nothing good about the GM desiel. The Isuzu
find on flats, has diffuclity climbing grades at any
decent speed. Ride somewhat better in GM and GM seems
quieter. Driver and passenger seats in GM more
comfortable.

Outside storage in GM 24 much better than Isuzu 24,
not much difference in 28s.

So if long life and lower fuel cost major issue to you
you are Isuzu material, if power and little more room,
then GM.

Bed, you either hate it or like it. Me, I have had
seven years in mine, quite comfortable, somewhat
inconvient putting it up and down but the advantages
of bigger gallery and bath worth it to us. You will
someday have a bed motor failure, mine was 4 years
ago.

we have just returned, today from a 19 week, 13,000
mile trip around the country, no problems at all.

There is no V-8 desiel, the Isuzu is an inter-cooled,
turbo, Four, Good access, I can't comment on GM.

On mine we have added Steer-safe, Bilstein shocks and
Timbraum rubber isolaters on all 4 corners, Handles
beautifully.

Again the only negative comment I can make on the
Isuzu is the poor hill climbing capability. If you
want 300,000 miles reliability and the ability to
climb a 6 % grade that is several weeks long without
overheating, but taking three weeks to climb it, the
Isuzu is a great rig. At least one person here has
installed a propane infusion system that helps the
power problem on the Isuzu, I have thought about it
but am also thinking of selling my rig so have delayed
the decision till I decide if next springs trip is
going to be in the TREK or something bigger. We are
thinking about a Safari or Beaver 36.




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Re the discussion 24 vs 28 and diesel vs gas-I have the 29' 2000 with
7.4liter v-8 (2830vortec). Ample power with the Banks conversion, but
somewhat borderline without. Before conversion there was excessive
transmission shifting on grades, which was agravated when in cruise control.


What we need is the 2000 body style with the bigger 8100 V-8 and wider
stance. But I am not holding my breath.

Clay Burke
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Topics in this digest:

1. Rian Guards for basement
From: "Bill Schroeder" <buffalobilly@...>
2. Re: Rian Guards for basement
From: "Jim" <jambon@...>
3. Re: Rain Guards for basement
From: "Bill Schroeder" <buffalobilly@...>
4. Re: Rain Guards for basement
From: "Jim" <jambon@...>
5. Re: Wanted: Opinions about 24 and 28 foot Treks.
From: Ernie Thorpe <steel_knee@...>
6. Re: Wanted: Opinions about 24 and 28 foot Treks.
From: trekje@...
7. Re:Magic bed & Isuzu
From: John/Joann Figueras <j.figueras@...>
8. thermostat problems 98 trek 28"
From: "jim kelley" <jkelley@...>
9. Re: thermostat problems 98 trek 28"
From: "Rick Buddrus" <rbuddrus@...>
10. Re: Re:Magic bed & Isuzu
From: jtwii@...
11. Re: Wanted: Opinions about 24 and 28 foot Treks.
From: "jim kelley" <jkelley@...>


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:31:15 -0000
From: "Bill Schroeder" <buffalobilly@...>
Subject: Rian Guards for basement

I have a problem with water getting into the back part of the
basement when driving on wet roads. Talked to Safari tech. service
people. They said to install some rain guards in front of the rear
wheels. They are to be about 12 X 14 aluminum attached to the skirt
support angle and the bottom of the coach floor. Has anyone done this
or have them on their unit?

Buffalobilly
95 Safari Sahara
B 230 Cummins
Pulling a 96 Jeep GJ



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:03:32 -0000
From: "Jim" <jambon@...>
Subject: Re: Rian Guards for basement

--- In Safarifriends@y..., "Bill Schroeder" <buffalobilly@a...> wrote:
> I have a problem with water getting into the back part of the
> basement when driving on wet roads. Talked to Safari tech. service
> people. They said to install some rain guards in front of the rear
> wheels. They are to be about 12 X 14 aluminum attached to the skirt
> support angle and the bottom of the coach floor. Has anyone done
this
> or have them on their unit?
>
> Buffalobilly
> 95 Safari Sahara
> B 230 Cummins
> Pulling a 96 Jeep GJ

Bill that makes no sense at all. I'm surprised he didn't tell
you to "Don't drive on wet roads". If you can find the leaks
buy some cans of urethane foam from Home Depot and spray the
area where the leak is to seal it up. If its coming in around
the doors then adjustment of the doors, and or new weather
stripping is needed. Hope this helps....Jim in NM

2000 Renegade pushed by a Jeep Liberty



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:04:15 -0000
From: "Bill Schroeder" <buffalobilly@...>
Subject: Re: Rain Guards for basement


Jim:
The idea of the rain guards is to stop the water thrown forward by
the rear tires form going over the propane tank against the rear wall
of the basement. The only way to get to the back of the basement from
the outside is to remove the propane tank, not a pretty picture.
Agreed using foam is the best way plug up the holes but foam will not
maintain a tight seal with water being thrown at is with some force.
Does the Renegade have any kind of wheel well liners? My Sahara does
not.
Thanks for the input.

Buffalobilly
95 Safari Sahara
B 230 Cummins
Pulling a 96 Jeep GJ



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 01:46:59 -0000
From: "Jim" <jambon@...>
Subject: Re: Rain Guards for basement

--- In Safarifriends@y..., "Bill Schroeder" <buffalobilly@a...> wrote:
>
> Jim:
> The idea of the rain guards is to stop the water thrown forward by
> the rear tires form going over the propane tank against the rear
wall
> of the basement.

I guess they are configured completely different as my propane tank
is up at the front end just behind the front wheels extending all the
way across side to side. I don't think there are liners over and in
front of my rear wheels. The bottom of the floor is right there. I'm
sure Harney would not have spent any extra money on something that
you couldn't see. RE: Cheap drawer sliders hidden in the cabinet out
of sight untill they brake and the drawer hits the floor while in
motion on a busy freeway during rush hour friday afternoon. Sorry I
get carried away sometimes. Jim in NM




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:58:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Ernie Thorpe <steel_knee@...>
Subject: Re: Wanted: Opinions about 24 and 28 foot Treks.

--- fqo63@... wrote:
> Hello everyone..
> I just found this board and hope to take advantage
> of your experience.
> My wife and I are interested in the advantages and
> disadvantages of
> the various Trek lay-outs, the Magic Bed, Isuzu vs.
> the later,
> larger, diesel engines. Of particular interest, as I
> do my own
> maintenance, is the accessability of the V8 diesels
> for such things
> as changing belts and radiator hoses, adjusting
> valves, removing and
> replacing injectors, etc.
> We are planning to move abourd our new Trek full
> time and travel
> every back road we come to. Trek's reputation for
> being a quality MH
> is one of many reasons for this choice.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help..Tad & Sherry
>
> I have a 94 Trek 2830, an Isuzu, but have several
times considered buying a newer one. So let me comment
on the differences.

The Isuzu is 6" narrower than the GM. The electromajic
bed is further forward in the cab, so you have to
lower the seats to lower bed all the way, an
unnecessary step in the GM. But the bed further
forward has one small and one large advantage. The
small is that the point of lesser headroom in the
Isuzu is in the driver's area, not the living area,
unimportant unless you are 6"3 which I am. The bigger
disadvantage of the bed position in the GM is that in
order to move the bed back they moved the door 6" to
the rear, hence limiting the space around the table.

Frame size and long term chassis reliability better in
the Isuzu. Power MUCH better in the GM gas engine. I
have heard nothing good about the GM desiel. The Isuzu
find on flats, has diffuclity climbing grades at any
decent speed. Ride somewhat better in GM and GM seems
quieter. Driver and passenger seats in GM more
comfortable.

Outside storage in GM 24 much better than Isuzu 24,
not much difference in 28s.

So if long life and lower fuel cost major issue to you
you are Isuzu material, if power and little more room,
then GM.

Bed, you either hate it or like it. Me, I have had
seven years in mine, quite comfortable, somewhat
inconvient putting it up and down but the advantages
of bigger gallery and bath worth it to us. You will
someday have a bed motor failure, mine was 4 years
ago.

we have just returned, today from a 19 week, 13,000
mile trip around the country, no problems at all.

There is no V-8 desiel, the Isuzu is an inter-cooled,
turbo, Four, Good access, I can't comment on GM.

On mine we have added Steer-safe, Bilstein shocks and
Timbraum rubber isolaters on all 4 corners, Handles
beautifully.

Again the only negative comment I can make on the
Isuzu is the poor hill climbing capability. If you
want 300,000 miles reliability and the ability to
climb a 6 % grade that is several weeks long without
overheating, but taking three weeks to climb it, the
Isuzu is a great rig. At least one person here has
installed a propane infusion system that helps the
power problem on the Isuzu, I have thought about it
but am also thinking of selling my rig so have delayed
the decision till I decide if next springs trip is
going to be in the TREK or something bigger. We are
thinking about a Safari or Beaver 36.




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:59:52 EST
From: trekje@...
Subject: Re: Wanted: Opinions about 24 and 28 foot Treks.

Hello,
24 versus 28.....Assuming the same basic floor plan.

On the inside the big difference between the two is the two sets of
drawers..
one in the kitchen and one on the opposite site near the bathroom.
The set of drawers in the kitchen makes the kitchen counter longer, adds
cabinet space above it and visually opens up the space. It provides space
for
"odds and ends"
The second set of drawers in the bathroom is were we keep all our "foldable"

clothes. Frankly I would not know what to do without it.

As far as the bed.. In the middle is better than up front incase of motor
failure... you can drive with the bed down.. we did!!! We have a 1995 Trek
We were told that the post 1998 beds have an improved motor/shaft and should

not have any problems.
Since there really is not 4 ft difference between the two (more like 2 1/2)
I
would go for the 28 ft. We have driven ours everywhere and can fit in 2
parking spaces at a normal parking lot.
We have the GM diesel. It is underpowered but we get around 11-12 miles per
gallon. Just "did" Alaska and some 10% grades... On our diesel we have a
brake retarder (US Gear) that we use when needed. It is a big help and saves

the brakes.
There is only one belt in the engine...Serpentine..
Hope this is of some help. If you need more info feel free to contact us
at... Trekje@.... ELLEN



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:58:57 -0500
From: John/Joann Figueras <j.figueras@...>
Subject: Re:Magic bed & Isuzu

I didn't know about the door being moved back in the GM, but for us, the big
advantage of the the forward bed (which has NOT caused trouble) is that with
the bed lowered, there is a chair and half the sofa for sitting--great when
one of us wants to go to bed early. I made a black curtain that hooks to
the ceiling with velcro to close off the bed--also very good on the forward
side for keeping the interior dark when parked under lights at night.

We too are thinking about adding a propane injector, and we prefer the
narrower width of the Isuzu. We're doing everything we can to preserve our
coach because "they don't make 'em like they used to" and I've spent years
customizing ours.

Joann



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:40:26 -0500
From: "jim kelley" <jkelley@...>
Subject: thermostat problems 98 trek 28"

can't seem to get a stable temperature in my coach during the winter
have tried:
putting thick plastic washers behind the tstat to move it away from the wall
sealing the hole where the tstat wires come out
replacing the tstat

it is mounted in a terrible position - the refrig wall, which is essentially
an outside wall.

has anybody solved this problem??
jim kelley



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:47:07 -0000
From: "Rick Buddrus" <rbuddrus@...>
Subject: Re: thermostat problems 98 trek 28"

Jim,

Two summer's ago when I was fighting problems with my Air
Conditioner cycling on - off and generally having a mind of it's
own, we finally replaced the entire roof unit. Problem persisted and
then I read something about a thermostat recall on the 98 Trek's.
Seems like the wrong ones were installed. I think I read that on this
forum...in any case, we changed out the thermostat and problems went
away. Just a possibility that you are seeing this same thing again. I
do remember that Safari was aware of the thermostat problem but did
not advertise it. Just a thought.

Rick Buddrus
Tucson



--- In Safarifriends@y..., "jim kelley" <jkelley@p...> wrote:
> can't seem to get a stable temperature in my coach during the winter
> have tried:
> putting thick plastic washers behind the tstat to move it away from
the wall
> sealing the hole where the tstat wires come out
> replacing the tstat
>
> it is mounted in a terrible position - the refrig wall, which is
essentially
> an outside wall.
>
> has anybody solved this problem??
> jim kelley



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:47:53 EST
From: jtwii@...
Subject: Re: Re:Magic bed & Isuzu

You are certainly doing the right thing by customizing your unit and keeping

it until it expires. In my opinion, Safari has made a mistake that may come
back to haunt them. They have changed the profile and eliminated the
appearance factor which appeals to most Trek lovers. The 2001s & 2s are just

another stubby motorhome with an outrageous price tag and fewer advantages
than the 'bus' type.


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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:34:58 -0500
From: "jim kelley" <jkelley@...>
Subject: Re: Wanted: Opinions about 24 and 28 foot Treks.

i would take a hard look at the cargo carrying capacity of the 24'
after you fill the fluids, add the body weight of the driver and
passenger(s), will there be enough weight capacity for your "stuff"... my
very hazy recollection of 4 years ago was that the 24 only had about 7-800
lbs. cargo capacity.
(if this isn"t clear to you, you can email me direct jkwhimsey@...



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I have a '99 Trek, 28 ft., P-32 chassis, with 41K for miles and I
still have the original shocks. I assume it is time to get new
shocks. What have you put on for new shocks? Ron Rodda, San Jose

You'll need shocks when you go over bumps and the coach continues to
bounce. This sounds a little earlier unless you have noticed the
above.
The only shocks to consider are Bilstiens, available @ Camping World
and many other places.

--- In Safarifriends@y..., RRodda1@a... wrote:
> I have a '99 Trek, 28 ft., P-32 chassis, with 41K for miles and I
> still have the original shocks. I assume it is time to get new
> shocks. What have you put on for new shocks? Ron Rodda, San Jose

Ron,
We have a 1998 28' and I just replaced the shocks this summer.
This is an easy one to answer, Bilstein, Bilstein, Bilstein. Don't
even look at anything else. They are more expensive but you get what
you pay for and in this case, they are the best. Period.

Camping World is competative on their pricing and if you can wait,
they are always having a sale on installation. They installed mine
for $5.00 each.

Godd Luck,

Rick Buddrus
Tucson

--- In Safarifriends@y..., RRodda1@a... wrote:
> I have a '99 Trek, 28 ft., P-32 chassis, with 41K for miles and I
> still have the original shocks. I assume it is time to get new
> shocks. What have you put on for new shocks? Ron Rodda, San Jose

We too put on the Bilstein Shocks. I notice a big difference when trucks
pass. No more being pushed around. We already had a safe T steer put on but I
believe the shocks made a bigger difference.
We are still debating if we should replace the bellcranks. That is supposed
to make an even bigger improvement. One of the techs at Camping world told us
that it is an immediate and very noticeable improvement.
Maybe next time. Most Campingworld do not have them in stock.
Happy Trekking... ELLEN

We have 99 Trek 28" and bilstein shocks helped
steering but putting on after market bell cranks made
a HUGE difference....now it is like driving a car. No
more constant steering corrections. We have our work
done here by RV Specialists and they are great. Dick
in San Diego.


--- trekje@... wrote:

> We too put on the Bilstein Shocks. I notice a big
> difference when trucks
> pass. No more being pushed around. We already had a
> safe T steer put on but I
> believe the shocks made a bigger difference.
> We are still debating if we should replace the
> bellcranks. That is supposed
> to make an even bigger improvement. One of the techs
> at Camping world told us
> that it is an immediate and very noticeable
> improvement.
> Maybe next time. Most Campingworld do not have them
> in stock.
> Happy Trekking... ELLEN
>

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How much did the bell-crank upgrade cost you. Which brand did you use?

Rick
Tucson

--- In Safarifriends@y..., Dick Berg <dickberg69@y...> wrote:
> We have 99 Trek 28" and bilstein shocks helped
> steering but putting on after market bell cranks made
> a HUGE difference....now it is like driving a car. No
> more constant steering corrections. We have our work
> done here by RV Specialists and they are great. Dick
> in San Diego.
>
>
> --- trekje@a... wrote:
> > We too put on the Bilstein Shocks. I notice a big
> > difference when trucks
> > pass. No more being pushed around. We already had a
> > safe T steer put on but I
> > believe the shocks made a bigger difference.
> > We are still debating if we should replace the
> > bellcranks. That is supposed
> > to make an even bigger improvement. One of the techs
> > at Camping world told us
> > that it is an immediate and very noticeable
> > improvement.
> > Maybe next time. Most Campingworld do not have them
> > in stock.
> > Happy Trekking... ELLEN
> >
>
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Rick, each one cost about $250 plus labor and alignment afterwards...so think about $700.  Do not remember brand name and receipt is in my RV in storage about 7 miles away and cannot look up immediately.  If you send me your direct email, can tell you on Thursday when I pick it up. Or you can call Mark Cooley at RV Specialists at 858-455-9898 and he can tell you.  Lot of us folks down here have a lot of faith in him and his shop.  Dick

At 07:16 PM 12/2/2001 +0000, you wrote:

Dick,

How much did the bell-crank upgrade cost you. Which brand did you use?

Rick
Tucson


--- In Safarifriends@y..., Dick Berg <dickberg69@y...> wrote:
> We have 99 Trek 28" and bilstein shocks helped
> steering but putting on after market bell cranks made
> a HUGE difference....now it is like driving a car. No
> more constant steering corrections.  We have our work
> done here by RV Specialists and they are great.  Dick
> in San Diego. 
>
>
> --- trekje@a... wrote:
> > We too put on the Bilstein Shocks. I notice a big
> > difference when trucks
> > pass. No more being pushed around. We already had a
> > safe T steer put on but I
> > believe the shocks made a bigger difference.
> > We are still debating if we should replace the
> > bellcranks. That is supposed
> > to make an even bigger improvement. One of the techs
> > at Camping world told us
> > that it is an immediate and very noticeable
> > improvement.
> > Maybe next time. Most Campingworld do not have them
> > in stock.
> > Happy Trekking... ELLEN
> >
>
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I appreciate all the feedback on getting new shocks. I had it done
Wednesday at Camping World and I could definitely tell the difference
before I was out of their parking lot.

Although there is not a lot of activity on this group, I appreciated
the quantity and usefulness of the responses I have gotten when
posting a question. That tells me that this group has a lot of
readers. Ron Rodda in San Jose, now driving more on the level.

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At 08:38 PM 12/12/2001 -0800, you wrote:

Larry I have found out people can be mean and nasty  about viruses, something you never know til you've been there, I went several years til I got a sircam2 virus and it mailed viruses to everybody in my address book, I had to go to nortons site and found a cure(God Bless Norton) after I cleared my virus I went down to Costco and bought Norton 2001 and it updates my virus protection whenever I go on line. I would recommend anyone with a computer to invest a few dollars in peace of mind. I never said anything when you were being bashed here but I know what you are going thru. Good Luck Gary Wolfer wolf97321

I am very sorry about the email that got sent to this board. My Norton AntiVirus LiveUpdate expired a month or so ago and I was hit by the Magistr virus and something called Kakworm.

One or both of these viruses picked up addresses and data from my computer and emailed it all over the place. The lesson here is not to let your guard down even a short period of time. Yesterday I spent most of the day installing new Internet Security and scanning all of my disk space. I found 6 infected files.

Once again, I want to apologize for what happened. I read this board regularly but have never posted to it. I own a 2001 Trek 24' with an 8.1 Vortec. I notice that a lot of people don�t like the looks of the new Treks but with the new engine, wide stance, Bilstein shocks and Steersafe all as standard equipment it is a great motorhome. This our second Safari and we are keeping this one!

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At 08:38 PM 12/12/2001 -0800, you wrote:

Larry I have found out people can be mean and nasty  about viruses, something you never know til you've been there, I went several years til I got a sircam2 virus and it mailed viruses to everybody in my address book, I had to go to nortons site and found a cure(God Bless Norton) after I cleared my virus I went down to Costco and bought Norton 2001 and it updates my virus protection whenever I go on line. I would recommend anyone with a computer to invest a few dollars in peace of mind. I never said anything when you were being bashed here but I know what you are going thru. Good Luck Gary Wolfer wolf97321

I am very sorry about the email that got sent to this board. My Norton AntiVirus LiveUpdate expired a month or so ago and I was hit by the Magistr virus and something called Kakworm.

One or both of these viruses picked up addresses and data from my computer and emailed it all over the place. The lesson here is not to let your guard down even a short period of time. Yesterday I spent most of the day installing new Internet Security and scanning all of my disk space. I found 6 infected files.

Once again, I want to apologize for what happened. I read this board regularly but have never posted to it. I own a 2001 Trek 24' with an 8.1 Vortec. I notice that a lot of people don’t like the looks of the new Treks but with the new engine, wide stance, Bilstein shocks and Steersafe all as standard equipment it is a great motorhome. This our second Safari and we are keeping this one!

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If anyone knows of someone looking for an Isuzu, mine
was one of the last ones built (July 94).

It has 64,000 miles (last 13k these past 4 months in
my trip around the country). Everything works and it is in
perfect shape.

Over the past several years many refitting,
replacements including:

Radiator, Inverter, Custom Galley Sink( Larger and
deeper double than original), Head, EMB Motor, Tires,
Batteries, Electric steps, A/C controls, belts,
refrigator boards, complete overhaul of generator.
Have added Safety-Plus, new Bilstins shocks, Timbrin
Axle supports, CD player, CB radio, upgraded speakers
and audio amplifier, roof mounted sat dish. Have had
all body trim pieces replaced (they were peeling paint
and rusting). Body and interior is in perfect
condition.

Selling cause my bad knee is making the EMB difficult.
Have had one knee replaced (Steel_Knee) and plan to
replace other next spring.

Located Ventura California, non-smoking. Photos
available. Model 2830 is the one with the Big
bathroom.

Have you tried eshocks.com
http://www.eshocks.com/bil_veh.asp?Model=Isuzu_NPR_(GVW_13,250_lbs)
&Make=Safari/Beaver&Group1=Motorhomes&Make_Long=Safari%2FBeaver

Buffalobilly
95 Sahara
B 230 Cummins
Pulling a 96 Jeep GC

they have the same story, not in stock and the factory doesn't know
when they'll make more.

Tom

--- In Safarifriends@y..., "buffalobilly2" <buffalobilly@a...> wrote:
> Have you tried eshocks.com
> http://www.eshocks.com/bil_veh.asp?Model=Isuzu_NPR_(GVW_13,250_lbs)
> &Make=Safari/Beaver&Group1=Motorhomes&Make_Long=Safari%2FBeaver
>
> Buffalobilly
> 95 Sahara
> B 230 Cummins
> Pulling a 96 Jeep GC

I may be baised, espically since I have a 94 Trek 28
for sale in mid 30s. but following comments.

I have had mine since new with 66K miles on it,
Although I have had to replace many things:Invertor,
head, refrigrator circuit board, bed electric motor,
electric steps, radiator: I have had no problems with
chassis or engine. The engine is unbreakable with
expected life in the many, many, hundreds of thousand
miles.

It is underpowered for hill climbing, but but on flat
no problem. I can drive all day at 70 towing a car
with no problems. Six percent long mountain grades you
will top at 25 or so, but you will never overheat.

I have added Safety Plus and Bilstein shocks and it
handles wonderfully. The interior stays new looking if
you take care of it because the cabinets are great
solid alder.

I have never heard of a 28 with rear bed, they made a
26 with a rear bedroom with a much smaller front
living area since the table takes the place of where
the curb side recliner is in the 28.

I remember the 26 came several models, with twin beds,
witrh what they called the bunkhouse model, stacked
bunk twins on both sides, and with a queen.

The things I would check to see if they have been
replaced are: the bed motor if it has an EMB, and
shocks.

If you are interested in pictures of a model 2830, ask
me and I can send.

Key point in the Trek is the trade off of reliability,
more living space (with EMB) verus hill climping
torque.

--- cpajob1 <cpajob1@...> wrote:

> I am looking at 28', 1994 diesel Trek with the rear
> queen
> configuration. The coach has 42K miles and the
> price is in the mid
> 30s. Can anyone tell me if this is a good
> configuration? Is this
> motorhome underpowered? Is the Isuzu reliable?
> Would I be better
> off purchasing a later model gas coach? I plan to
> use the motorhome
> as a weekend getaway, and will tow a trailer with a
> motorcyle in it.
>
> This motorhome is well within my budget. I can
> afford a newer and
> more expensive motorhome, but this is the length I
> want and is
> certainly inexpensive. This is also my first
> motorhome.
>
> Any input would be appreciated.
>
> Great forum, very informative and interesting.
>
> Thanks.
>
>

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Where can I get the best price on Bilstein shocks? Is there an
internet site? I live in the Chicago area. Thanks bob

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I got mine @ Camping World. I got 10% off on the whoe package with
Presidents club. They had the shocks AND the labor on sale. That was
the best deal I could find. But you have to wait until they are put on
sale.

Bob,

Got mine at camping world also. They usually go on sale once or twice
a year. Last fall, they also had installation for $5.00 each.

Rick

--- In Safarifriends@y..., "ventus2b2001" <gliderg1@a...> wrote:
> Where can I get the best price on Bilstein shocks? Is there an
> internet site? I live in the Chicago area. Thanks bob

I searched on Google; used a west coast company and had them shipped to my
installer, who said he would have a problem getting them. He also tried to
talk us out of Bilsteins.

> Where can I get the best price on Bilstein shocks? Is there an
> internet site? I live in the Chicago area. Thanks bob

I did the search for Bilstien's for my Isuzu Trek about 3 months ago.
I tired at least 6 places, it all came back to them calling the factory and the factory was out of stock and production of more was not planned at that time. So my alignment shop found another suitable "gas" shock and used them. They were less expensive and we have no complaints about the ride.
Tom

--- In Safarifriends@y..., John/Joann Figueras <j.figueras@v...> wrote:
> I searched on Google; used a west coast company and had them shipped to my
> installer, who said he would have a problem getting them. He also tried to
> talk us out of Bilsteins.
>
> > Where can I get the best price on Bilstein shocks? Is there an
> > internet site? I live in the Chicago area. Thanks bob