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Group: Safarifriends Message: 16671 From: Bryan Moore Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: If you are thinking Koni's
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16672 From: rpalominod90@yahoo.com Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: If you are thinking Koni's
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16894 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Re: 95 serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16897 From: Sandy Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Re: 95 serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16911 From: fountking Date: 5/10/2012
Subject: Re: leaky valve stem core
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17114 From: scootn2 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: 96 30 ft Sahara - rear sag and shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17115 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: 96 30 ft Sahara - rear sag and shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17127 From: TERRY SELVIDGE Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: 96 30 ft Sahara - rear sag and shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17134 From: scootn2 Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: 96 30 ft Sahara - rear sag and shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17534 From: jquade_fwb Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: Suspension popping noise
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17563 From: jquade_fwb Date: 6/30/2012
Subject: Re: front end alignment
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17564 From: jquade_fwb Date: 6/30/2012
Subject: Re: front end alignment
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17590 From: gary_wolfer Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: Suspension popping noise
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17803 From: Brett the Elder Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17804 From: Scott Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17805 From: Fred Broussard Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17806 From: Fred Broussard Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17809 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17811 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Re: Capacity (was: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17822 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 7/20/2012
Subject: Re: 1997 Serengheti 40ft
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17824 From: jquade_fwb Date: 7/20/2012
Subject: Re: 1997 Serengheti 40ft
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17845 From: John n Kay Date: 7/20/2012
Subject: Re: 1997 Serengheti 40ft
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18051 From: rebacider Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for info good or bad
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18054 From: Dan J Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for info good or bad
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18058 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for info good or bad
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18199 From: jquade_fwb Date: 8/15/2012
Subject: Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "T
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18200 From: Kenagy Randy Date: 8/15/2012
Subject: Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "T
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18342 From: Michael Trainham Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "T
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18349 From: Kenagy Randy Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "T
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18656 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18657 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18658 From: Scott Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18660 From: Gary Smith Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18665 From: The Buck Stops Here Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18670 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18684 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18752 From: The Buck Stops Here Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18753 From: dddugger9@q.com Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18754 From: ART Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18758 From: The Buck Stops Here Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18761 From: The Buck Stops Here Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18762 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18765 From: Bubba Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18767 From: ART Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18773 From: Andy Haiduck Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18802 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18866 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19123 From: Drake Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: Re: Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19158 From: Dan Date: 10/27/2012
Subject: Re: Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19243 From: beowolf_2012 Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Re: Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara



Group: Safarifriends Message: 16671 From: Bryan Moore Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: If you are thinking Koni's
Just wondering if the koni's and Safe-T-Steer would work on a 2001 safari with velvet ride. 

Sent from Bryan's iPod

On 2012-04-25, at 9:22 AM, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@...> wrote:

 

Rico,

 

I install both three years ago and outstanding improvements! No more side way movement when a big rig goes by and big improvement on the ride! The Safe-T-Steer is a must for me because of the improvements and sate-t of a front blowout! If you have never seen one they are big! Get the big blue one just bolts on! I installed both in one day!

 

Rico what part of the states are you? I live outside of Ft Worth; we look like we have the same rig. JohnC

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2005 TJ/Honda

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rpalominod90@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:36 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: If you are thinking Koni's

 

 

Did you install these on the velvet ride?
If so has anyone installed the Koni  recommended shocks on a leaf sprung yet.
I'm looking at getting some before summer as well as adding the Safe-T-Steer as well.

Thanks
Rico
1996 Sahara 250CAT.


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From: TheMopedWhiz <themopedwhiz@...>
To:
Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Wed, Apr 25, 2012 06:44:43 GMT+00:00
Subject:
[Safarifriends] Re: If you are thinking Koni's

 

new front shocks are mounted friday and short test ride to dump the holding tanks and goto the pharmacy completed on monday
definite improvement
the old monroe shocks were easy to collapse, the new Konis take a lot of effort to move either direction in or out

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "fountking" <fountking@...> wrote:
>
> Just got an E-mail from them,my shocks are 6-8 Wks on back order.
> >>>> Bob K 96 Serengeti Velvet Ride
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 16672 From: rpalominod90@yahoo.com Date: 4/25/2012
Subject: Re: If you are thinking Koni's
Thanks for the response. I will be looking around for the best price on the safe-t-steer this week.  I can do the install and both myself so that will save a little.
Im I will   Brooksville Florida.




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-----Original message-----
From: Bryan Moore <euchremate@...>
To:
"Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:
Wed, Apr 25, 2012 15:28:03 GMT+00:00
Subject:
Re: [Safarifriends] Re: If you are thinking Koni's

 

Just wondering if the koni's and Safe-T-Steer would work on a 2001 safari with velvet ride. 

Sent from Bryan's iPod

On 2012-04-25, at 9:22 AM, "John Clevenger" <johnkclevenger@...> wrote:

 

Rico,

 

I install both three years ago and outstanding improvements! No more side way movement when a big rig goes by and big improvement on the ride! The Safe-T-Steer is a must for me because of the improvements and sate-t of a front blowout! If you have never seen one they are big! Get the big blue one just bolts on! I installed both in one day!

 

Rico what part of the states are you? I live outside of Ft Worth; we look like we have the same rig. JohnC

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2005 TJ/Honda

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rpalominod90@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 9:36 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: If you are thinking Koni's

 

 

Did you install these on the velvet ride?
If so has anyone installed the Koni  recommended shocks on a leaf sprung yet.
I'm looking at getting some before summer as well as adding the Safe-T-Steer as well.

Thanks
Rico
1996 Sahara 250CAT.


Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless



-----Original message-----

From: TheMopedWhiz <themopedwhiz@...>
To:
Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Wed, Apr 25, 2012 06:44:43 GMT+00:00
Subject:
[Safarifriends] Re: If you are thinking Koni's

 

new front shocks are mounted friday and short test ride to dump the holding tanks and goto the pharmacy completed on monday
definite improvement
the old monroe shocks were easy to collapse, the new Konis take a lot of effort to move either direction in or out

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "fountking" <fountking@...> wrote:
>
> Just got an E-mail from them,my shocks are 6-8 Wks on back order.
> >>>> Bob K 96 Serengeti Velvet Ride
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 16894 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Re: 95 serengeti
There are many things to check on a Safari
Ride height, number of shims in the torsilastic suspention.
I put on Koni shocks....that really helped
The engine is only good until you get 500,000 miles on it & then you need to have the head rebuilt........LOL!!!!
As to the price.....Mmmmm thats a tough one.....too many variables
1997 Serengeti
Ohio

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John n Kay" <jnkpyatt@...> wrote:
>
> hey guys,I hope you don't mind if I pick your brains...lol. Everyone has been really nice for answering questions, and we really appreciate it. We would like to know if you think 25,000 is a
> lot for 95 serengeti with 102,000 mi., with new tires and batteries. We looked at it but haven't test drove it yet until we are really serious.
>
> Have heard the velvet ride is one of those things, either you love it or hate it. We like having onan genset, plenty of cabinet space, and seems pretty roomy for having no slides. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks, John and Kay
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16897 From: Sandy Date: 5/9/2012
Subject: Re: 95 serengeti
Chuck -- $25,000 for a 1995 Serengheti -- depends what items have been replaced on this Coach.
Our 1996 Serengheti is  currently for sale for  $45,000 (negotiable) which includes $23,000 in replaced items since 10/06.  I listed these items yesterday, but will send them to you if you "Reply to Sender."  
 
Sandy and Tom
1996 Serengheti  (owned since 1999 -- now 131,000 miles)
 

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:02 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: 95 serengeti

 

There are many things to check on a Safari
Ride height, number of shims in the torsilastic suspention.
I put on Koni shocks....that really helped
The engine is only good until you get 500,000 miles on it & then you need to have the head rebuilt........LOL!!!!
As to the price.....Mmmmm thats a tough one.....too many variables
1997 Serengeti
Ohio

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "John n Kay" <jnkpyatt@...> wrote:

>
> hey guys,I hope you
don't mind if I pick your brains...lol. Everyone has been really nice for answering questions, and we really appreciate it. We would like to know if you think 25,000 is a
> lot for 95 serengeti with 102,000 mi., with new tires
and batteries. We looked at it but haven't test drove it yet until we are really serious.
>
> Have heard the velvet ride is one of those things,
either you love it or hate it. We like having onan genset, plenty of cabinet space, and seems pretty roomy for having no slides. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks, John and Kay
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 16911 From: fountking Date: 5/10/2012
Subject: Re: leaky valve stem core
--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce" <63342@...> wrote:
>
> hi group,
>
> was checking tire pressures the other day getting the RV ready for the season. i had 3 valve stem cores stick open. i got 2 of them to close back up with a shot of WD40 and a push from a small screwdriver on the valve stem core.
>
> well, i wasn't so lucky with the 3rd core and it didn't close and now my outside rear tire is down to 30-40 psi.
>
> so, i'm thinking, you wouldn't want that to happen out on the road so i am going to have all 6 valve stem cores replaced.
>
> i bought the coach last summer in phoenix, az and wonder if the rubber in the valve stem core dry rotted causing the valve core stem to stick open.
> Bruce, I take silicone and and push the tube in the valve stem and squirt at the same time and it stops the leak. I plan to change them when I do my shocks. Make sure you get valve caps that have gaskets in them. Bob K 96 Serengeti
> anyone else have this experience with their coach? anyone have any advice to offer?
>
> i called a large truck tire shop and he said if i brought it in that he would put in all new valve stem cores and air up the tires for free. however, he said he didn't think i should drive the 20 miles to his shop at freeway speeds. i think the inside dual is around 70psi (low too) on that side. i agreed and he said normally it's $90/hr for mobile service portal to portal and his guestimate was 2 hrs= $180 but he goes by where my RV is stored frequently and would only charge $90/1 hour since he is already in the area.
>
> anyway, thought i would let you all know in case it saves you a buck or two (or a bunch) if a tire is ruined or worse (can a front tire go flat while driving from a leaky valve stem core). not to mention the hassle and ruining a perfectly good day.
>
> the tire guy said to always have caps on your valve stems and snug them down to prevent a sudden loss of air pressure in the tire.
>
> these things seem simple enough and in a passenger car probably not a big deal but in a 40', 33,000 lb diesel pusher, well that's a whole different story. ahhh the learning curve continues !
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17114 From: scootn2 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: 96 30 ft Sahara - rear sag and shocks
Hello All -
Newbies to the forum here. My husband and I have a 1996 30 ft Sahara with the CAT 3126 engine that we purchased July 2007 (upgrade from a truck/camper). Needless to say, we've learned a lot about our coach and have had a few surprises along the way (good and bad but we LOVE our rig). We just replaced the shocks with the Koni's (self adjusting front and rear), haven't even taken it for a test drive yet. Anyone have some feedback on the shocks and performance (hopefully all good, since we've already done it!)? Did they alleviate some of the side to side issues? We haven't experienced much if any porpoising, even though we were told it would be an issue because of the short wheelbase on a diesel pusher.

Also, we have rear end sag and were considering having a couple leaf springs added to each side in the back to bring us more level and hopefully shift/distribute a little more weight forward to compensate for the light front end (not super responsive steering, depending on how much water/fuel we're carrying). Has anyone done this? If so, was the end result good? Any other ideas?

We ended up installing an old hitch onto the front of our rig and now use it to either carry a load of firewood in a trailer hitch carrier basket or one of our scooters for extra transportation (we usually tow our Jeep). It adds a few hundred pounds to the front, which has helped but the back end still sags quite a bit.

In reading through several posts, it sounds like we've had similar issues (roof leaks, water heater leaks, etc). We're excited to have access to such great information resources, as well as share some of our own experiences!

Thanks and happy travels,
Kelli and Michael
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17115 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: 96 30 ft Sahara - rear sag and shocks
That's big step up from a TC.
I had springs added to my pick up for my TC, helped alot.
Find a truck shop that does springs & have a chat with them.
Koni's...yep good choice...I've got them on the front.
As to the left, right leaning(I'm guessing you have sway bars front & rear) you might check out "Tiger Trak".
You gotta tell me more about your front hitch....
1997 Serengeti
Ohio

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "scootn2" <scootn2@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All -
> Newbies to the forum here. My husband and I have a 1996 30 ft Sahara with the CAT 3126 engine that we purchased July 2007 (upgrade from a truck/camper). Needless to say, we've learned a lot about our coach and have had a few surprises along the way (good and bad but we LOVE our rig). We just replaced the shocks with the Koni's (self adjusting front and rear), haven't even taken it for a test drive yet. Anyone have some feedback on the shocks and performance (hopefully all good, since we've already done it!)? Did they alleviate some of the side to side issues? We haven't experienced much if any porpoising, even though we were told it would be an issue because of the short wheelbase on a diesel pusher.
>
> Also, we have rear end sag and were considering having a couple leaf springs added to each side in the back to bring us more level and hopefully shift/distribute a little more weight forward to compensate for the light front end (not super responsive steering, depending on how much water/fuel we're carrying). Has anyone done this? If so, was the end result good? Any other ideas?
>
> We ended up installing an old hitch onto the front of our rig and now use it to either carry a load of firewood in a trailer hitch carrier basket or one of our scooters for extra transportation (we usually tow our Jeep). It adds a few hundred pounds to the front, which has helped but the back end still sags quite a bit.
>
> In reading through several posts, it sounds like we've had similar issues (roof leaks, water heater leaks, etc). We're excited to have access to such great information resources, as well as share some of our own experiences!
>
> Thanks and happy travels,
> Kelli and Michael
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17127 From: TERRY SELVIDGE Date: 5/22/2012
Subject: Re: 96 30 ft Sahara - rear sag and shocks
Hello , we have the same 96 sahara 30 foot , would love to
have a long phone chat if you have verizon, we do...??
Terry











"scootn2" <scootn2@...> wrote:
> Hello All -
> Newbies to the forum here. My husband and I have a 1996
>30 ft Sahara with the CAT 3126 engine that we purchased
>July 2007 (upgrade from a truck/camper). Needless to
>say, we've learned a lot about our coach and have had a
>few surprises along the way (good and bad but we LOVE our
>rig). We just replaced the shocks with the Koni's (self
>adjusting front and rear), haven't even taken it for a
>test drive yet. Anyone have some feedback on the shocks
>and performance (hopefully all good, since we've already
>done it!)? Did they alleviate some of the side to side
>issues? We haven't experienced much if any porpoising,
>even though we were told it would be an issue because of
>the short wheelbase on a diesel pusher.
>
> Also, we have rear end sag and were considering having a
>couple leaf springs added to each side in the back to
>bring us more level and hopefully shift/distribute a
>little more weight forward to compensate for the light
>front end (not super responsive steering, depending on
>how much water/fuel we're carrying). Has anyone done
>this? If so, was the end result good? Any other ideas?
>
>
> We ended up installing an old hitch onto the front of
>our rig and now use it to either carry a load of firewood
>in a trailer hitch carrier basket or one of our scooters
>for extra transportation (we usually tow our Jeep). It
>adds a few hundred pounds to the front, which has helped
>but the back end still sags quite a bit.
>
> In reading through several posts, it sounds like we've
>had similar issues (roof leaks, water heater leaks, etc).
> We're excited to have access to such great information
>resources, as well as share some of our own experiences!
>
> Thanks and happy travels,
> Kelli and Michael
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17134 From: scootn2 Date: 5/23/2012
Subject: Re: 96 30 ft Sahara - rear sag and shocks
Yes, it is a big step up from a TC! I was pretty much done with the cabover bed and wanted a walkaround (next rig will need to have a King sized bed). Good advice on the truck shop, we did just that and will be giving the 2 additional leaf springs a try. We will post the results for those and the new shocks. If both of those don't solve the side to side (you're right, we have the sway bars) then we'll check into Tiger Trak - never heard of it. Again, thanks for the info!

We'll have to send you some photos of the front hitch with the firewood carrier and then with the scooter carrier. It's especially nice for the wood so we don't have to worry about hauling any in the Jeep or paying premium prices at our destination. It has proved to be a good conversation starter on several occasions, too!

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:
>
> That's big step up from a TC.
> I had springs added to my pick up for my TC, helped alot.
> Find a truck shop that does springs & have a chat with them.
> Koni's...yep good choice...I've got them on the front.
> As to the left, right leaning(I'm guessing you have sway bars front & rear) you might check out "Tiger Trak".
> You gotta tell me more about your front hitch....
> 1997 Serengeti
> Ohio
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "scootn2" <scootn2@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All -
> > Newbies to the forum here. My husband and I have a 1996 30 ft Sahara with the CAT 3126 engine that we purchased July 2007 (upgrade from a truck/camper). Needless to say, we've learned a lot about our coach and have had a few surprises along the way (good and bad but we LOVE our rig). We just replaced the shocks with the Koni's (self adjusting front and rear), haven't even taken it for a test drive yet. Anyone have some feedback on the shocks and performance (hopefully all good, since we've already done it!)? Did they alleviate some of the side to side issues? We haven't experienced much if any porpoising, even though we were told it would be an issue because of the short wheelbase on a diesel pusher.
> >
> > Also, we have rear end sag and were considering having a couple leaf springs added to each side in the back to bring us more level and hopefully shift/distribute a little more weight forward to compensate for the light front end (not super responsive steering, depending on how much water/fuel we're carrying). Has anyone done this? If so, was the end result good? Any other ideas?
> >
> > We ended up installing an old hitch onto the front of our rig and now use it to either carry a load of firewood in a trailer hitch carrier basket or one of our scooters for extra transportation (we usually tow our Jeep). It adds a few hundred pounds to the front, which has helped but the back end still sags quite a bit.
> >
> > In reading through several posts, it sounds like we've had similar issues (roof leaks, water heater leaks, etc). We're excited to have access to such great information resources, as well as share some of our own experiences!
> >
> > Thanks and happy travels,
> > Kelli and Michael
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17534 From: jquade_fwb Date: 6/26/2012
Subject: Re: Suspension popping noise
Couldn't determine which end of the country you are in, so maybe this Safari suspension reference won't help. Brazell's, exit 86 I-5 just north of Centralia Washington is the premier experts on all things Safari Suspensions, and they have all of the appropriate parts. Very well set up to work on motorhomes and even have an attached RV Park. Had my shocks done by them last year and highly recommend them.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "carologist" <carologist@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone had a load popping noise when making turns. I have a 96 safari Sahara 35ft, with the leaf spring suspension. I did have it checked at a local big truck center. They thought possibly the rear spring hangers were worn. I do think the motorhome doesn't sit perfectly level. So I believe I may have a leaf spring or leaf spring hanger issue. I guess my question is, has anybody had the same issue, and more importantly were do I fIND leaf spring hanger or bushing parts for the magnum chasis, the replacement parts are more what I am worried about. Any help would be much appreciated!
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17563 From: jquade_fwb Date: 6/30/2012
Subject: Re: front end alignment
The Expert in all things Suspension, brakes, shocks, chassis, etc., etc., is none other than:

EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT of Safari International
RALPH ANDREWS (SHARON)
1443 Patrick Street
Rock Island, WA 98850
F187483
509-750-0248 – Ralph
509-750-5238 – Sharon
RAinSafari@...

Ralph has gone so far as swapping out his Sfari Suspension for that of a burnt out Western Wilderness Alpen MH. Ralph has been known to travel over a "Interesting Stretch of an Interstate", change out a set of shocks and go back over the same road just because it was interesting to him. Ralph is the Go To Safari Guy and is always helpful. Another source (that Ralph recommended to me cause it was close) is Brazell's RV just off of I-5 North of Centralia, WA.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy" <tim@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 1998 Sahara model 3044 with Velvet ride suspension on which I just put 6 new Toyo tires. The old tires were 2003 so even though there was no significant wear it was time to replace them. I also had the front end aligned. When I pcked up the coach yesterday I noticed a little bounce that wasn't there before and some pull to the left. I am going back to the tire dealer on Monday to have them resolve the issues - however before I return I would like to be able to provide them with the proper Camber/caster/toe specifications. When I reviewed the information provided on the work that was done the printout for the alignment was for a "GM/Cheverolet Chassis: 1993-99: P12 Motorhome (I-Beam)" Before the work was done I was assured that their computer had the specifications for my coach - but it appears they didn't - or somehow pulled the wrong unit up. Does anyone out there have the correct specs??
>
> Another "issue" the dealer and I will be discussing is that the tires they installed have a July 2011 manufacture date. They had assured me when we wrote up the order for the tires that they would be no more that 3 to 4 months old - which was apparantly their past experience when ordering from their vendor. With a life expentancy of about 8 years, having the first year gone on day one just isn't going to get it unless we can come to some understanding on an adjustment to the price. (The 6 tires were $3,000 out the door!) Has anyone had a similar issue with the age of "new" tires??
>
> Any help and or suggestions will be apprciated. Tim
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17564 From: jquade_fwb Date: 6/30/2012
Subject: Re: front end alignment
Just noticed your second paragraph. That was NOT right to give you Pre-Aged tires at that price. I just went through the same tires change out you did. I am in the Port Angeles area but visit the Portland area to see grand kiddies and it is also SalesTaxFreeLand. I was out the Les Schwab door in Milwaukee, Oregon with 6 new Toyo M-120Z's mounted, balanced (all 6, not just the front two), and sipped for a tad over $2,800. I did call ahead to the store manager three months in advanced, we discussed no tires older than 4 months. He gave me a quote of $2,800 that was good for another 6 months and assured me that if I called to set up the appointment two weeks in advance, he would have 6 with date codes less than two months old. He kept his word!!!! And a couple of months before that, I had the New Koni Shocks done at Brazell's that also checked the condition of my brakes and alignment which I did NOT ask for and they did it any way, Good Customer Service. So the combo of new Koni Shocks and the New Toyo's really improve my ride quality, i.e., no more porposing, lane wander, etc. I was pleasently surprised just how much all of that did to improve the ride quality.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy" <tim@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 1998 Sahara model 3044 with Velvet ride suspension on which I just put 6 new Toyo tires. The old tires were 2003 so even though there was no significant wear it was time to replace them. I also had the front end aligned. When I pcked up the coach yesterday I noticed a little bounce that wasn't there before and some pull to the left. I am going back to the tire dealer on Monday to have them resolve the issues - however before I return I would like to be able to provide them with the proper Camber/caster/toe specifications. When I reviewed the information provided on the work that was done the printout for the alignment was for a "GM/Cheverolet Chassis: 1993-99: P12 Motorhome (I-Beam)" Before the work was done I was assured that their computer had the specifications for my coach - but it appears they didn't - or somehow pulled the wrong unit up. Does anyone out there have the correct specs??
>
> Another "issue" the dealer and I will be discussing is that the tires they installed have a July 2011 manufacture date. They had assured me when we wrote up the order for the tires that they would be no more that 3 to 4 months old - which was apparantly their past experience when ordering from their vendor. With a life expentancy of about 8 years, having the first year gone on day one just isn't going to get it unless we can come to some understanding on an adjustment to the price. (The 6 tires were $3,000 out the door!) Has anyone had a similar issue with the age of "new" tires??
>
> Any help and or suggestions will be apprciated. Tim
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17590 From: gary_wolfer Date: 7/2/2012
Subject: Re: Suspension popping noise
If you need spring parts most likely any international truck dealer can get them for you. If you are in the north west Portland Oregon has a company called Bent Springs. They can replace, individual leaves, hangers,or completely build you a set of springs. They have been under the Ross Island Bridge on the west side for many years. I have not dealt with them for a long time they could have moved but I am sure they are still in business.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@...> wrote:
>
> Couldn't determine which end of the country you are in, so maybe this Safari suspension reference won't help. Brazell's, exit 86 I-5 just north of Centralia Washington is the premier experts on all things Safari Suspensions, and they have all of the appropriate parts. Very well set up to work on motorhomes and even have an attached RV Park. Had my shocks done by them last year and highly recommend them.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "carologist" <carologist@> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone had a load popping noise when making turns. I have a 96 safari Sahara 35ft, with the leaf spring suspension. I did have it checked at a local big truck center. They thought possibly the rear spring hangers were worn. I do think the motorhome doesn't sit perfectly level. So I believe I may have a leaf spring or leaf spring hanger issue. I guess my question is, has anybody had the same issue, and more importantly were do I fIND leaf spring hanger or bushing parts for the magnum chasis, the replacement parts are more what I am worried about. Any help would be much appreciated!
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17803 From: Brett the Elder Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
Seems funny:  I'm feeling 76 years OLD (for today at least) particularly after installing a new air filter and changing the front running lights.  Left the rear shocks for somebody else.:-/ confused

Brett the Elder
'00 Renegade


From: "dddugger9@..." <dddugger9@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes

 
I'm 76yrs young, its hard to do, dirty, and it hurts, "BUT",after you find out what it costs, and the type of service you get, and the hassle you put up with and the sloppy workmanship, and all of the break downs and fighting with dealers, I think you will be glad to do your own work. At least you have the assurance its done right, and you know whats done, and what brand of products you are getting. I will do my own, Thank you!!!!!
Its costly to break down, because of poor work, could even cost a engine, transmission, BIG BUCKS

From: "Robert" <firstborn05@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:42:12 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes

 
Ok so I have done my own for years now not to deal with the mess I think it's time to have it done.
where do most of you go for service and wow offten?



Group: Safarifriends Message: 17804 From: Scott Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
Ya know, I would love to do the oil change my self. But at 33 qts. it would take forever to do and finding something to put it into when changing...gives me a headache just thinking about it..Yes, 33 qts!!! I have a deep pan CAT 3126/300hp engine and it is just that big. At Camping World and most other service centers it costs about $300+ to get the service done..Per CAT schedule it needs to be done about every 10k-15k (reason being is the size of the oil capacity).
Scott
97 Sahara
3126/300hp

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Brett the Elder <dudley097@...> wrote:
>
> Seems funny:  I'm feeling 76 years OLD (for today at least) particularly after installing a new air filter and changing the front running lights.  Left the rear shocks for somebody else.
>
> Brett the Elder
> '00 Renegade
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "dddugger9@..." <dddugger9@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
>
>
>  
> I'm 76yrs young, its hard to do, dirty, and it hurts, "BUT",after you find out what it costs, and the type of service you get, and the hassle you put up with and the sloppy workmanship, and all of the break downs and fighting with dealers, I think you will be glad to do your own work. At least you have the assurance its done right, and you know whats done, and what brand of products you are getting. I will do my own, Thank you!!!!!
> Its costly to break down, because of poor work, could even cost a engine, transmission, BIG BUCKS
> ________________________________
> From: "Robert" <firstborn05@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:42:12 PM
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
>
>  
> Ok so I have done my own for years now not to deal with the mess I think it's time to have it done.
> where do most of you go for service and wow offten?
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17805 From: Fred Broussard Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
Oil drain info.
I drain my 33 quart 3126b, 330 hp crankcase into a sewer blue boy with wheels ..makes it easy to pull to car; load for dumping a Walmart.
It only empties about 29 quarts.
Fred99SafariConnie115000miles

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:58 AM, "Scott" <s1260@...> wrote:

 

Ya know, I would love to do the oil change my self. But at 33 qts. it would take forever to do and finding something to put it into when changing...gives me a headache just thinking about it..Yes, 33 qts!!! I have a deep pan CAT 3126/300hp engine and it is just that big. At Camping World and most other service centers it costs about $300+ to get the service done..Per CAT schedule it needs to be done about every 10k-15k (reason being is the size of the oil capacity).
Scott
97 Sahara
3126/300hp

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Brett the Elder <dudley097@...> wrote:
>
> Seems funny:  I'm feeling 76 years OLD (for today at least) particularly after installing a new air filter and changing the front running lights.  Left the rear shocks for somebody else.
>
> Brett the Elder
> '00 Renegade
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "dddugger9@..." <dddugger9@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
>
>
>  
> I'm 76yrs young, its hard to do, dirty, and it hurts, "BUT",after you find out what it costs, and the type of service you get, and the hassle you put up with and the sloppy workmanship, and all of the break downs and fighting with dealers, I think you will be glad to do your own work. At least you have the assurance its done right, and you know whats done, and what brand of products you are getting. I will do my own, Thank you!!!!!
> Its costly to break down, because of poor work, could even cost a engine, transmission, BIG BUCKS
> ________________________________
> From: "Robert" <firstborn05@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:42:12 PM
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
>
>  
> Ok so I have done my own for years now not to deal with the mess I think it's time to have it done.
> where do most of you go for service and wow offten?
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 17806 From: Fred Broussard Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
Way to go, Brett. You're a good role model for me..need to change my shocks but didn't know if I could take that on.
Fred99safariConnie115000miles3226bCAT

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Brett the Elder <dudley097@...> wrote:

 

Seems funny:  I'm feeling 76 years OLD (for today at least) particularly after installing a new air filter and changing the front running lights.  Left the rear shocks for somebody else.:-/ confused

Brett the Elder
'00 Renegade


From: "dddugger9@..." <dddugger9@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes

 
I'm 76yrs young, its hard to do, dirty, and it hurts, "BUT",after you find out what it costs, and the type of service you get, and the hassle you put up with and the sloppy workmanship, and all of the break downs and fighting with dealers, I think you will be glad to do your own work. At least you have the assurance its done right, and you know whats done, and what brand of products you are getting. I will do my own, Thank you!!!!!
Its costly to break down, because of poor work, could even cost a engine, transmission, BIG BUCKS

From: "Robert" <firstborn05@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:42:12 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes

 
Ok so I have done my own for years now not to deal with the mess I think it's time to have it done.
where do most of you go for service and wow offten?



Group: Safarifriends Message: 17809 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 7/18/2012
Subject: Re: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
I'm betting that if you check with CAT technical services you'll find a new and different recommendation for oil capacity.

I have a '96 3126 300hp CAT w/ the deep pan and the manual says 33 quarts BUT CAT now recommends 29 quarts as they found, by experience, too much blow-by with 33 quarts.

The current recommendation for YOUR engine may be different than mine. Have your engine serial number in hand and call them...

1-877-777-3126

Ken
1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <s1260@...> wrote:
>
> Ya know, I would love to do the oil change my self. But at 33 qts. it would take forever to do and finding something to put it into when changing...gives me a headache just thinking about it..Yes, 33 qts!!! I have a deep pan CAT 3126/300hp engine and it is just that big. At Camping World and most other service centers it costs about $300+ to get the service done..Per CAT schedule it needs to be done about every 10k-15k (reason being is the size of the oil capacity).
> Scott
> 97 Sahara
> 3126/300hp
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Brett the Elder <dudley097@> wrote:
> >
> > Seems funny:  I'm feeling 76 years OLD (for today at least) particularly after installing a new air filter and changing the front running lights.  Left the rear shocks for somebody else.
> >
> > Brett the Elder
> > '00 Renegade
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "dddugger9@" <dddugger9@>
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
> >
> >
> >  
> > I'm 76yrs young, its hard to do, dirty, and it hurts, "BUT",after you find out what it costs, and the type of service you get, and the hassle you put up with and the sloppy workmanship, and all of the break downs and fighting with dealers, I think you will be glad to do your own work. At least you have the assurance its done right, and you know whats done, and what brand of products you are getting. I will do my own, Thank you!!!!!
> > Its costly to break down, because of poor work, could even cost a engine, transmission, BIG BUCKS
> > ________________________________
> > From: "Robert" <firstborn05@>
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:42:12 PM
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
> >
> >  
> > Ok so I have done my own for years now not to deal with the mess I think it's time to have it done.
> > where do most of you go for service and wow offten?
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17811 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 7/19/2012
Subject: Re: Capacity (was: Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes)
Good point!
Check with Cat @ 1-877-777-3126

I found early on, (9-10 years ago), that when I put in 33 quarts of oil the engine would mist/spit out 3-4 quarts through the engine breather, (aka: "slobber tube"), in the first few thousand miles.
After that it would loose very little oil and remain at the 28-29 quart level until the next oil change.

By using only 28-29 quarts when changing oil, my blow-by has been nearly eliminated, resulting in a cleaner CAC and radiator... (requiring cleaning less often).

Cat has dropped the recommended oil capacity for my engine from the original 33 quarts, down to 29 quarts.

Mel
'96 3126 Cat, 33 qt deep sump oil pan


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@...> wrote:
>
> I'm betting that if you check with CAT technical services you'll find a new and different recommendation for oil capacity.
>
> I have a '96 3126 300hp CAT w/ the deep pan and the manual says 33 quarts BUT CAT now recommends 29 quarts as they found, by experience, too much blow-by with 33 quarts.
>
> The current recommendation for YOUR engine may be different than mine. Have your engine serial number in hand and call them...
>
> 1-877-777-3126
>
> Ken
> 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <s1260@> wrote:
> >
> > Ya know, I would love to do the oil change my self. But at 33 qts. it would take forever to do and finding something to put it into when changing...gives me a headache just thinking about it..Yes, 33 qts!!! I have a deep pan CAT 3126/300hp engine and it is just that big. At Camping World and most other service centers it costs about $300+ to get the service done..Per CAT schedule it needs to be done about every 10k-15k (reason being is the size of the oil capacity).
> > Scott
> > 97 Sahara
> > 3126/300hp
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Brett the Elder <dudley097@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Seems funny:  I'm feeling 76 years OLD (for today at least) particularly after installing a new air filter and changing the front running lights.  Left the rear shocks for somebody else.
> > >
> > > Brett the Elder
> > > '00 Renegade
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "dddugger9@" <dddugger9@>
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > I'm 76yrs young, its hard to do, dirty, and it hurts, "BUT",after you find out what it costs, and the type of service you get, and the hassle you put up with and the sloppy workmanship, and all of the break downs and fighting with dealers, I think you will be glad to do your own work. At least you have the assurance its done right, and you know whats done, and what brand of products you are getting. I will do my own, Thank you!!!!!
> > > Its costly to break down, because of poor work, could even cost a engine, transmission, BIG BUCKS
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "Robert" <firstborn05@>
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:42:12 PM
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Engiine Oil & Allison Oil Changes
> > >
> > >  
> > > Ok so I have done my own for years now not to deal with the mess I think it's time to have it done.
> > > where do most of you go for service and wow offten?
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17822 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 7/20/2012
Subject: Re: 1997 Serengheti 40ft
That's a great price!!!!!
There are 100's of things to look at & check.
The chassis is a torsilastic suspension. Check the number of shims.....there could be as many as 10 per point. Look at the front axle on one side, to the front & rear of the axle. The shim's are 1/4 inch thick & in a stack......kinda hard to describe.
If you have 10 at all points....thats a good thing. Four on the front axle & four on the rear axle.
Check to see if the coach sits level, front to back & side to side.
If that looks good then the worst is that you'll need to buy shocks to improve the ride.
1997 Serengeti
Ohio

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@...> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> First and probably the most important piece of advise when we first started looking was to go to the Files Section and download the Used Motorhome Checklist. We rejected a lot of coaches using that checklist.
>
> As far as 103K on the clock concern. That would depend on how well the coach was maintained and the documentation for the maintenance. My coach at the time only had 82K. But the first owner was, shall we annal retentive when it came to documentation, the second owner (a Lawyer thank god only had it for less than 2 years before it was repo'ed. I have continued the first owners habits. If no maintenance documentation, I would go on the web and look up Blackstone Labs and get their oil sample analysis kit. Make any offers contingent upon a good report from Blackstone.
>
> The next piece of FINANCIAL ADVISE I got from the Safari sites was Kelly Blue Book & NADA pricing. Motorhomes are one of the only pricing guides that are NOT based upon trends of actual sales They are based upon original sticker pricing and straight line depreciation (Guess-Ta-Mating). The problem in using the two guides comes from knowing what was the original Base Price and the Pricing of the True Options. As an example most folks go to either NADA or KBB, enter in the make and model and the year. The first thing the guide then shows is the BASE PRICE and asks you to start ticking off options, i.e., TV's, Awnings, A/C, etc., etc. Well the Safari's came as decked out with everything as Standard Equipment. Take the Serengeti line as an example, very few things could be added as options, like Aqua Hot Heating, a Satellite Antenna, A super Fancy Paint Scheme, and I think the diesel generator. You might as well order a Continential or a Panther. The mistake in "Valuing" the Safari's (and other high end coaches) is ticking off standard equipment as options because the guides then increase the Coach Value inappropriately. Most RV Dealers even make that mistake. We looked at an acceptable 1997 Serengeti M-4040 that the asking price was $50,000. The guy even had the NADA & KBB Printed out. He would not even listen to me when I explained ithe guide pricing problem. A month later another 1997 Serengeti popped up on the Portland Craig's List and we shot down there for a look see with the Used Motorhome Checklist, and both pricing guides already and appropriately printed out. We made the offer of 38,500, dickered a bit up to $38,750 and the dealer accepted contingent upon fixing 6 items that the checklist caught.
>
> Even then it's still a money pit but Oh so much fun and comfort.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Michael Henricks <mdhcols@> wrote:
> >
> > First posting, first everything.
> >  
> > Looking at one for  FT (retiring) in.  Been reading up for several years so while I have no practical experience, I can follow most conversations ok.   Never owned any kind of RV. Appears in good cond.  The CAT seems to run good.  Has 103K.  Read mixed  info on this chassis.  Can I open this up for advice on buying this particular unit?  Especially interested on info on the chassis.  Frankly,  we were looking at Monacos at little newer but the $28K price is very appealing.   Thank you much for any thoughts.
> >  
> > Mike
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17824 From: jquade_fwb Date: 7/20/2012
Subject: Re: 1997 Serengheti 40ft
I forgot onje other valuable pricing source that (at the time) confirms The Guide(s) problem, and that is PPL RV's in Texas. The largest seller of RV's, especially consigned RV's. They maintain tables on their website that shows WHEN a rig is first put up for sale, its INITIAL ASKING PRICE, updates of price changes, i.e., (DROP IN PRICE & WHEN), and finally WHEN and for HOW MUCH it actually sold for. I tracked the Safari info (at the time) for 6 - 7 months and was pleased to see just how accurate the advise I got here was.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:
>
> That's a great price!!!!!
> There are 100's of things to look at & check.
> The chassis is a torsilastic suspension. Check the number of shims.....there could be as many as 10 per point. Look at the front axle on one side, to the front & rear of the axle. The shim's are 1/4 inch thick & in a stack......kinda hard to describe.
> If you have 10 at all points....thats a good thing. Four on the front axle & four on the rear axle.
> Check to see if the coach sits level, front to back & side to side.
> If that looks good then the worst is that you'll need to buy shocks to improve the ride.
> 1997 Serengeti
> Ohio
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > First and probably the most important piece of advise when we first started looking was to go to the Files Section and download the Used Motorhome Checklist. We rejected a lot of coaches using that checklist.
> >
> > As far as 103K on the clock concern. That would depend on how well the coach was maintained and the documentation for the maintenance. My coach at the time only had 82K. But the first owner was, shall we annal retentive when it came to documentation, the second owner (a Lawyer thank god only had it for less than 2 years before it was repo'ed. I have continued the first owners habits. If no maintenance documentation, I would go on the web and look up Blackstone Labs and get their oil sample analysis kit. Make any offers contingent upon a good report from Blackstone.
> >
> > The next piece of FINANCIAL ADVISE I got from the Safari sites was Kelly Blue Book & NADA pricing. Motorhomes are one of the only pricing guides that are NOT based upon trends of actual sales They are based upon original sticker pricing and straight line depreciation (Guess-Ta-Mating). The problem in using the two guides comes from knowing what was the original Base Price and the Pricing of the True Options. As an example most folks go to either NADA or KBB, enter in the make and model and the year. The first thing the guide then shows is the BASE PRICE and asks you to start ticking off options, i.e., TV's, Awnings, A/C, etc., etc. Well the Safari's came as decked out with everything as Standard Equipment. Take the Serengeti line as an example, very few things could be added as options, like Aqua Hot Heating, a Satellite Antenna, A super Fancy Paint Scheme, and I think the diesel generator. You might as well order a Continential or a Panther. The mistake in "Valuing" the Safari's (and other high end coaches) is ticking off standard equipment as options because the guides then increase the Coach Value inappropriately. Most RV Dealers even make that mistake. We looked at an acceptable 1997 Serengeti M-4040 that the asking price was $50,000. The guy even had the NADA & KBB Printed out. He would not even listen to me when I explained ithe guide pricing problem. A month later another 1997 Serengeti popped up on the Portland Craig's List and we shot down there for a look see with the Used Motorhome Checklist, and both pricing guides already and appropriately printed out. We made the offer of 38,500, dickered a bit up to $38,750 and the dealer accepted contingent upon fixing 6 items that the checklist caught.
> >
> > Even then it's still a money pit but Oh so much fun and comfort.
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Michael Henricks <mdhcols@> wrote:
> > >
> > > First posting, first everything.
> > >  
> > > Looking at one for  FT (retiring) in.  Been reading up for several years so while I have no practical experience, I can follow most conversations ok.   Never owned any kind of RV. Appears in good cond.  The CAT seems to run good.  Has 103K.  Read mixed  info on this chassis.  Can I open this up for advice on buying this particular unit?  Especially interested on info on the chassis.  Frankly,  we were looking at Monacos at little newer but the $28K price is very appealing.   Thank you much for any thoughts.
> > >  
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 17845 From: John n Kay Date: 7/20/2012
Subject: Re: 1997 Serengheti 40ft
I look at PPL all the time and they have a 97 Serengeti with approx. 56,000 mi. for $30,000. So, 28 seems like a fair price depending on condition. We are looking at a 95 Serengeti with 102,000 mi for $25,000. In think that's a little high, but 28 for a 97 seems reasonable. John and Kay.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@...> wrote:
>
> I forgot onje other valuable pricing source that (at the time) confirms The Guide(s) problem, and that is PPL RV's in Texas. The largest seller of RV's, especially consigned RV's. They maintain tables on their website that shows WHEN a rig is first put up for sale, its INITIAL ASKING PRICE, updates of price changes, i.e., (DROP IN PRICE & WHEN), and finally WHEN and for HOW MUCH it actually sold for. I tracked the Safari info (at the time) for 6 - 7 months and was pleased to see just how accurate the advise I got here was.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote:
> >
> > That's a great price!!!!!
> > There are 100's of things to look at & check.
> > The chassis is a torsilastic suspension. Check the number of shims.....there could be as many as 10 per point. Look at the front axle on one side, to the front & rear of the axle. The shim's are 1/4 inch thick & in a stack......kinda hard to describe.
> > If you have 10 at all points....thats a good thing. Four on the front axle & four on the rear axle.
> > Check to see if the coach sits level, front to back & side to side.
> > If that looks good then the worst is that you'll need to buy shocks to improve the ride.
> > 1997 Serengeti
> > Ohio
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > First and probably the most important piece of advise when we first started looking was to go to the Files Section and download the Used Motorhome Checklist. We rejected a lot of coaches using that checklist.
> > >
> > > As far as 103K on the clock concern. That would depend on how well the coach was maintained and the documentation for the maintenance. My coach at the time only had 82K. But the first owner was, shall we annal retentive when it came to documentation, the second owner (a Lawyer thank god only had it for less than 2 years before it was repo'ed. I have continued the first owners habits. If no maintenance documentation, I would go on the web and look up Blackstone Labs and get their oil sample analysis kit. Make any offers contingent upon a good report from Blackstone.
> > >
> > > The next piece of FINANCIAL ADVISE I got from the Safari sites was Kelly Blue Book & NADA pricing. Motorhomes are one of the only pricing guides that are NOT based upon trends of actual sales They are based upon original sticker pricing and straight line depreciation (Guess-Ta-Mating). The problem in using the two guides comes from knowing what was the original Base Price and the Pricing of the True Options. As an example most folks go to either NADA or KBB, enter in the make and model and the year. The first thing the guide then shows is the BASE PRICE and asks you to start ticking off options, i.e., TV's, Awnings, A/C, etc., etc. Well the Safari's came as decked out with everything as Standard Equipment. Take the Serengeti line as an example, very few things could be added as options, like Aqua Hot Heating, a Satellite Antenna, A super Fancy Paint Scheme, and I think the diesel generator. You might as well order a Continential or a Panther. The mistake in "Valuing" the Safari's (and other high end coaches) is ticking off standard equipment as options because the guides then increase the Coach Value inappropriately. Most RV Dealers even make that mistake. We looked at an acceptable 1997 Serengeti M-4040 that the asking price was $50,000. The guy even had the NADA & KBB Printed out. He would not even listen to me when I explained ithe guide pricing problem. A month later another 1997 Serengeti popped up on the Portland Craig's List and we shot down there for a look see with the Used Motorhome Checklist, and both pricing guides already and appropriately printed out. We made the offer of 38,500, dickered a bit up to $38,750 and the dealer accepted contingent upon fixing 6 items that the checklist caught.
> > >
> > > Even then it's still a money pit but Oh so much fun and comfort.
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Michael Henricks <mdhcols@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > First posting, first everything.
> > > >  
> > > > Looking at one for  FT (retiring) in.  Been reading up for several years so while I have no practical experience, I can follow most conversations ok.   Never owned any kind of RV. Appears in good cond.  The CAT seems to run good.  Has 103K.  Read mixed  info on this chassis.  Can I open this up for advice on buying this particular unit?  Especially interested on info on the chassis.  Frankly,  we were looking at Monacos at little newer but the $28K price is very appealing.   Thank you much for any thoughts.
> > > >  
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18051 From: rebacider Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for info good or bad
If the owner is wrong about the year (I think he is) Is 20,000 to much money for the coach? It in very nice shape with all the service records but it does need a round of tires. I was going to install the tiger track system koni shocks and tires will put me at about 24,500. I just dont want to be upside down in this thing.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18054 From: Dan J Date: 8/7/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for info good or bad

Go to NADA.com and see what it is worth. That is your friend.

On Aug 7, 2012 1:22 PM, "rebacider" <rebacider@...> wrote:
If the owner is wrong about the year (I think he is) Is 20,000 to much money for the coach? It in very nice shape with all the service records but it does need a round of tires. I was going to install the tiger track system koni shocks and tires will put me at about 24,500. I just dont want to be upside down in this thing.




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Group: Safarifriends Message: 18058 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 8/8/2012
Subject: Re: Looking for info good or bad
--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "rebacider" <rebacider@...> wrote:
>
> If the owner is wrong about the year (I think he is) Is 20,000 to much money for the coach? It in very nice shape with all the service records but it does need a round of tires. I was going to install the tiger track system koni shocks and tires will put me at about 24,500. I just dont want to be upside down in this thing.

The picture linked to on IRV2 is a 37' Sable. If it has a Cummins it will be a '95 or back. Download the 9 page used RV check sheet and go thru it.

It probably has the torsalic suspension, so read about it, and measure the ride height, are there any shims to remove?

Worried about being up-side down..................just buy it.

Jim
'96 Sahara 300 CAT
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18199 From: jquade_fwb Date: 8/15/2012
Subject: Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "T
I'll chime in here with a reference, and that is go to this Safari Website -- http://www.safari-international.org/ and spin down to the club officers to Ralph Andrews. Ralph probably knows more about Safari suspensions than most engineers. Ralph recently changed out the suspension of his 96 Safari and put in a suspension system from a burnt out newer Apline coach, even the steering box and modification to his fuel tank. His coach now has a nickname brand of "FrankenFari." Ralph also has done a lot of development and testing of shocks for the major motorhome shock makers. Ralph is a really nice and helpful guy (RAinSafari@...). I'm sure he'll give you the straight skinny based on his experiences on all this Safari Suspension.

I have a PDF copy of the March 2012 of the Clubs's newsletter detailing with pictures Ralph's Little project if you wantme to email it to you.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, John Cooney <xephius@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Wow, so much info. Thank you all for your honesty and information.
>
> Our selection of a Safari in the 99-01' range was based on the features, layout, drivetrain and the appearance. The Panther package was selected for the additional towing capacity and my experience with commercial engines, and what appeared to be a "better designed" configuration. This is why I was lurking here to learn what common problems and issues are surrounding these coaches.
>
> I am not looking to buy a 40'+ driveway accessory. I really do look to put miles and time in a coach and when looking at the alternatives we were not impressed. We fell in love with the Continentals based on the mid-entry, the fantastic features, and how more often than not, they were very well taken care of. We have been considering buying at Dealer Auction where I can pickup a late model (Built by SMC) for a song if you are patient and have cash. When you can buy a nearly new coach for under 100k, and often below 60k, the Safari's are just not getting much traction unless they are mint. We had considered Beavers, Country Coach and Foretravles but they fell short in the "Personality" department. We really like the paintings and animal details put into the Safari's. This is why I came to the Panther conclusion.
>
> But what I am reading is that the Magnum chassis and the Safari's maybe more trouble than I bargained for. My first preference when looking to buy was a Tiffin Phaeton or Zephyr, Phaeton's can be had for a very reasonable price and Tiffin is still around to support the coach. But after looking at many coaches, we kept coming back to the Continentals because they had so many options and configurations that we liked. Also, we had a hard time envisioning living in the Phaeton with three kids and not wanting to kill them every time they touched something. The Safari's seem like much more "Livable" spaces for a family like ours. I expect to dump a large amount of money into the coach. But we want to see the country and do so with high speed internet, 3D LCD's and a bath tub for the kids. We are investing in our coach for more adventure rather than filling a house with "stuff".
>
> So I suppose that brings me to this... I expect that the coach I buy will require some maintenance and I understand the roll of the dice I take in buying a used one. I have done my best to do web research and shop lots of coach so I can prepare for my purchase. This has more or less brought me to think that the Panther is a good fit for us. Should I expect that buying a 99-01'-ish Continental will require any more maintenance or repairs than say a Monaco, Tiffin or Country Coach? I am not saying that I am more willing to accept being drowned in a beige, unimaginative interior than I am biting off more repairs, but probably.
>
> We all come to our choices for different reasons. I want my family to see the country, any they really want to go. My family is in the commercial trucking industry and I have access to mechanics and service that would normally not be accessible. This gives me a bit more confidence, and that I have some personal experience doesn't hurt. I am mechanically and electronically savvy, and expect to do most of the work on the coach myself for pleasure. If any project is outside my capabilities I will use someone like Camping World where I can get a warranty and have a neck to strangle if it goes wrong.
>
> So do you think that buying a 2001-ish Safari will be a more or less satisfactory experience than buying another coach of similar age or even newer? Because we are looking to spend more buying a Safari from an individual and or dealer than we would from auction on a generic Tiffin, Country Coach or other (apparently) quality coach at auction.
>
> BTW, thanks for the help, honesty and support. And thank you to all who emailed me outside the list. I will answer in turn, but hope this helps give some perspective to my situation and questions.
>
> John
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > To John, Panther hunting.
> > You don't want to get into paying for the mods done on my coach by Safari.
> > The factory guys who did the work showed me the summary of labor and material just to let me know how generous their "goodwill" warranty was. It was well over $45,000!!!!
> > Best to make sure any Magnum you buy already has the factory mods..in my opinion. Finding someone to do the work would not be easy either..and cost probably well over $50,000 today.
> > I think the best factory rework jobs have fiberglass sides instead of the luan laminated with aluminum..a little heavier but less prone to delamination due to moisture penetration. The factory rework shop switched to glass shortly after my coach was reworked.
> > Fred
> > 99 Connie
> > 115,000 miles
> > 3126b CAT
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:55 PM, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> What are the reasons you need a Panther? Are you going to pull a large trailer?
> >>
> >> Is there a reason a '99 Serengeti will not work? Both are available in a 40'.
> >>
> >> 2001, as you know, was the last production year of a true Safari, and anything after '99 was on borrowed time.
> >>
> >> IF you need a nice coach in the 2001 time frame, you might want to consider a Alpine. They were a Safari Copy, and were good coaches up to about 2003/2004 when they also started cost cutting.
> >>
> >> Another suggestion would be to consider a Foretravel. A solid coach with excellent features.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >> '96 Sahara, 300 CAT
> >>
> >> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, John Cooney <xephius@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Soooo,
> >> >
> >> > Sorry about the previous hijack, I will attempt to rethread.
> >> >
> >> > I have not introduced myself because I have not yet purchased a Safari and thought I would lurk until I did to learn as much as possible. But Fred made a comment that seemed significant and I wanted to know how he came to his conclusion. So I piped in a bit before I planed.
> >> >
> >> > My name is John, and I am looking to buy a 2001 Panther. I am open to older models, but not newer. This is based on what features and builds my family have chosen and the build influence of Monaco. The mural will be a significant factor in coach selection. :) The work I do has me in different cities on a regular basis and my family has downsized our lives so we can become "Part-Timers" by our definition. We plan to use the Coach as a mobile-HQ, with a Sienna 2wd as a dingy, when I am on a locations. Normally I work remotely, so I can be roaming anyplace I can get a solid cellular internet connection. We hope to be on the road around half the year, or out every other weekend.
> >> >
> >> > Based on the reading about Fred's issues with the Magnum chassis, are there specific issues I should look for when considering my coach? What are the costs to have some of these issues Fred has raised repaired without factory support? If I do buy a Panther from a source without providence, what do I need to look for and at what costs should I factor into my decision about buying? Sorry for such a difficult question(s)....
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> > Panther Hunting
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Opps..Forgot to sign properly on my post about chassis and turning radius problems. And to recommend that folks buying older (99 vintage) magnum chassis ask for information on what factory rework has been done to the older rig.
> >> > > Like life; the RV lifestyle is a journey..and it would be boring if every day was the same. Enjoy the trip.:-)
> >> > > Fred
> >> > > 1999 Safari, owned since new.
> >> > > 115,000 miles
> >> > > 3126B CAT
> >> > >
> >> > > Sent from my iPhone
> >> > >
> >> > > On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > all,
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18200 From: Kenagy Randy Date: 8/15/2012
Subject: Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "T
I love our basic 35 foot 98 Sahara. Not all the bells and whistles of a Seren or Conti but it works for me, the wifey, and my two teens. Lots of space in the coach and basement. Don't miss having a slide. Love having no payment,

Many comments on the white tiger on the back. 

The 300 hp cat just flat out goes. We pulled a 4-door wrangler for 3,000 miles earlier this month with no problems. No change in fuel economy either. East coast driving... Not the mountains. Up to PEI and back. Last summer before the toad we did 6k+ miles out to Glacier NP and back... No issues.

Keep up on preventive maintenance and keep the fix list short. It will take work. All of the coaches in this vintage will.

 I chose the simplest DP I could find. No airbags, no air brakes, leaf spring suspension and rails for a chassis. All aluminum construction is built like the planes I fly. No central vac etc. Big bathroom and comfy bed. Added my own electronics and upgraded tires and shocks. Carry hard to find parts and don't look back on this buy.

 Wish I had a quiet diesel genny and wish I didn't need to fix the snaking window seals but there is a do it yourself kit now.

I don't have any other hobbies so it is fun to putter around. 

Good luck and keep us posted. It is an awesome community you are talking to here. They have the answer you need or will tell you who to contact. 


Randy Kenagy
98 Sahara 
Frederick, MD
Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:30 PM, John Cooney <xephius@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,


Wow, so much info. Thank you all for your honesty and information.

Our selection of a Safari in the 99-01' range was based on the features, layout, drivetrain and the appearance. The Panther package was selected for the additional towing capacity and my experience with commercial engines, and what appeared to be a "better designed" configuration. This is why I was lurking here to learn what common problems and issues are surrounding these coaches.

I am not looking to buy a 40'+ driveway accessory. I really do look to put miles and time in a coach and when looking at the alternatives we were not impressed. We fell in love with the Continentals based on the mid-entry, the fantastic features, and how more often than not, they were very well taken care of. We have been considering buying at Dealer Auction where I can pickup a late model (Built by SMC) for a song if you are patient and have cash. When you can buy a nearly new coach for under 100k, and often below 60k, the Safari's are just not getting much traction unless they are mint. We had considered Beavers, Country Coach and Foretravles but they fell short in the "Personality" department. We really like the paintings and animal details put into the Safari's. This is why I came to the Panther conclusion.

But what I am reading is that the Magnum chassis and the Safari's maybe more trouble than I bargained for. My first preference when looking to buy was a Tiffin Phaeton or Zephyr, Phaeton's can be had for a very reasonable price and Tiffin is still around to support the coach. But after looking at many coaches, we kept coming back to the Continentals because they had so many options and configurations that we liked. Also, we had a hard time envisioning living in the Phaeton with three kids and not wanting to kill them every time they touched something. The Safari's seem like much more "Livable" spaces for a family like ours. I expect to dump a large amount of money into the coach. But we want to see the country and do so with high speed internet, 3D LCD's and a bath tub for the kids. We are investing in our coach for more adventure rather than filling a house with "stuff".

So I suppose that brings me to this... I expect that the coach I buy will require some maintenance and I understand the roll of the dice I take in buying a used one. I have done my best to do web research and shop lots of coach so I can prepare for my purchase. This has more or less brought me to think that the Panther is a good fit for us. Should I expect that buying a 99-01'-ish Continental will require any more maintenance or repairs than say a Monaco, Tiffin or Country Coach? I am not saying that I am more willing to accept being drowned in a beige, unimaginative interior than I am biting off more repairs, but probably.  

We all come to our choices for different reasons. I want my family to see the country, any they really want to go. My family is in the commercial trucking industry and I have access to mechanics and service that would normally not be accessible. This gives me a bit more confidence, and that I have some personal experience doesn't hurt. I am mechanically and electronically savvy, and expect to do most of the work on the coach myself for pleasure. If any project is outside my capabilities I will use someone like Camping World where I can get a warranty and have a neck to strangle if it goes wrong.

So do you think that buying a 2001-ish Safari will be a more or less satisfactory experience than buying another coach of similar age or even newer? Because we are looking to spend more buying a Safari from an individual and or dealer than we would from auction on a generic Tiffin, Country Coach or other (apparently) quality coach at auction.

BTW, thanks for the help, honesty and support. And thank you to all who emailed me outside the list. I will answer in turn, but hope this helps give some perspective to my situation and questions.

John

 
On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:

 

To John, Panther hunting.
You don't want to get into paying for the mods done on my coach by Safari.
The factory guys who did the work showed me the summary of labor and material just to let me know how generous their "goodwill" warranty was. It was well over $45,000!!!!
Best to make sure any Magnum you buy already has the factory mods..in my opinion. Finding someone to do the work would not be easy either..and cost probably well over $50,000 today.
I think the best factory rework jobs have fiberglass sides instead of the luan laminated with aluminum..a little heavier but less prone to delamination due to moisture penetration. The factory rework shop switched to glass shortly after my coach was reworked. 
Fred
99 Connie
115,000 miles
3126b CAT

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:55 PM, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:

 

Hi John,

What are the reasons you need a Panther? Are you going to pull a large trailer?

Is there a reason a '99 Serengeti will not work? Both are available in a 40'.

2001, as you know, was the last production year of a true Safari, and anything after '99 was on borrowed time.

IF you need a nice coach in the 2001 time frame, you might want to consider a Alpine. They were a Safari Copy, and were good coaches up to about 2003/2004 when they also started cost cutting.

Another suggestion would be to consider a Foretravel. A solid coach with excellent features.

Jim
'96 Sahara, 300 CAT

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, John Cooney <xephius@...> wrote:
>
> Soooo,
>
> Sorry about the previous hijack, I will attempt to rethread.
>
> I have not introduced myself because I have not yet purchased a Safari and thought I would lurk until I did to learn as much as possible. But Fred made a comment that seemed significant and I wanted to know how he came to his conclusion. So I piped in a bit before I planed.
>
> My name is John, and I am looking to buy a 2001 Panther. I am open to older models, but not newer. This is based on what features and builds my family have chosen and the build influence of Monaco. The mural will be a significant factor in coach selection. :) The work I do has me in different cities on a regular basis and my family has downsized our lives so we can become "Part-Timers" by our definition. We plan to use the Coach as a mobile-HQ, with a Sienna 2wd as a dingy, when I am on a locations. Normally I work remotely, so I can be roaming anyplace I can get a solid cellular internet connection. We hope to be on the road around half the year, or out every other weekend.
>
> Based on the reading about Fred's issues with the Magnum chassis, are there specific issues I should look for when considering my coach? What are the costs to have some of these issues Fred has raised repaired without factory support? If I do buy a Panther from a source without providence, what do I need to look for and at what costs should I factor into my decision about buying? Sorry for such a difficult question(s)....
>
> John
> Panther Hunting
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:
>
> > Opps..Forgot to sign properly on my post about chassis and turning radius problems. And to recommend that folks buying older (99 vintage) magnum chassis ask for information on what factory rework has been done to the older rig.
> > Like life; the RV lifestyle is a journey..and it would be boring if every day was the same. Enjoy the trip.:-)
> > Fred
> > 1999 Safari, owned since new.
> > 115,000 miles
> > 3126B CAT
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:
> >
> > > all,
> >
>



Group: Safarifriends Message: 18342 From: Michael Trainham Date: 8/25/2012
Subject: Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "T
amen , you go randy. here in central va.    mike t.  1997 / 3540 sahara 3126 turbo cat, allison 6-speed  -1977 martin d-28. springs n strings. ''lol''

From: Kenagy Randy <randy.kenagy@...>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "Turning radius")

 
I love our basic 35 foot 98 Sahara. Not all the bells and whistles of a Seren or Conti but it works for me, the wifey, and my two teens. Lots of space in the coach and basement. Don't miss having a slide. Love having no payment,

Many comments on the white tiger on the back. 

The 300 hp cat just flat out goes. We pulled a 4-door wrangler for 3,000 miles earlier this month with no problems. No change in fuel economy either. East coast driving... Not the mountains. Up to PEI and back. Last summer before the toad we did 6k+ miles out to Glacier NP and back... No issues.

Keep up on preventive maintenance and keep the fix list short. It will take work. All of the coaches in this vintage will.

 I chose the simplest DP I could find. No airbags, no air brakes, leaf spring suspension and rails for a chassis. All aluminum construction is built like the planes I fly. No central vac etc. Big bathroom and comfy bed. Added my own electronics and upgraded tires and shocks. Carry hard to find parts and don't look back on this buy.

 Wish I had a quiet diesel genny and wish I didn't need to fix the snaking window seals but there is a do it yourself kit now.

I don't have any other hobbies so it is fun to putter around. 

Good luck and keep us posted. It is an awesome community you are talking to here. They have the answer you need or will tell you who to contact. 


Randy Kenagy
98 Sahara 
Frederick, MD
Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:30 PM, John Cooney <xephius@...> wrote:

 
Hi all,

Wow, so much info. Thank you all for your honesty and information.

Our selection of a Safari in the 99-01' range was based on the features, layout, drivetrain and the appearance. The Panther package was selected for the additional towing capacity and my experience with commercial engines, and what appeared to be a "better designed" configuration. This is why I was lurking here to learn what common problems and issues are surrounding these coaches.

I am not looking to buy a 40'+ driveway accessory. I really do look to put miles and time in a coach and when looking at the alternatives we were not impressed. We fell in love with the Continentals based on the mid-entry, the fantastic features, and how more often than not, they were very well taken care of. We have been considering buying at Dealer Auction where I can pickup a late model (Built by SMC) for a song if you are patient and have cash. When you can buy a nearly new coach for under 100k, and often below 60k, the Safari's are just not getting much traction unless they are mint. We had considered Beavers, Country Coach and Foretravles but they fell short in the "Personality" department. We really like the paintings and animal details put into the Safari's. This is why I came to the Panther conclusion.

But what I am reading is that the Magnum chassis and the Safari's maybe more trouble than I bargained for. My first preference when looking to buy was a Tiffin Phaeton or Zephyr, Phaeton's can be had for a very reasonable price and Tiffin is still around to support the coach. But after looking at many coaches, we kept coming back to the Continentals because they had so many options and configurations that we liked. Also, we had a hard time envisioning living in the Phaeton with three kids and not wanting to kill them every time they touched something. The Safari's seem like much more "Livable" spaces for a family like ours. I expect to dump a large amount of money into the coach. But we want to see the country and do so with high speed internet, 3D LCD's and a bath tub for the kids. We are investing in our coach for more adventure rather than filling a house with "stuff".

So I suppose that brings me to this... I expect that the coach I buy will require some maintenance and I understand the roll of the dice I take in buying a used one. I have done my best to do web research and shop lots of coach so I can prepare for my purchase. This has more or less brought me to think that the Panther is a good fit for us. Should I expect that buying a 99-01'-ish Continental will require any more maintenance or repairs than say a Monaco, Tiffin or Country Coach? I am not saying that I am more willing to accept being drowned in a beige, unimaginative interior than I am biting off more repairs, but probably.  

We all come to our choices for different reasons. I want my family to see the country, any they really want to go. My family is in the commercial trucking industry and I have access to mechanics and service that would normally not be accessible. This gives me a bit more confidence, and that I have some personal experience doesn't hurt. I am mechanically and electronically savvy, and expect to do most of the work on the coach myself for pleasure. If any project is outside my capabilities I will use someone like Camping World where I can get a warranty and have a neck to strangle if it goes wrong.

So do you think that buying a 2001-ish Safari will be a more or less satisfactory experience than buying another coach of similar age or even newer? Because we are looking to spend more buying a Safari from an individual and or dealer than we would from auction on a generic Tiffin, Country Coach or other (apparently) quality coach at auction.

BTW, thanks for the help, honesty and support. And thank you to all who emailed me outside the list. I will answer in turn, but hope this helps give some perspective to my situation and questions.

John

 
On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:

 

To John, Panther hunting.
You don't want to get into paying for the mods done on my coach by Safari.
The factory guys who did the work showed me the summary of labor and material just to let me know how generous their "goodwill" warranty was. It was well over $45,000!!!!
Best to make sure any Magnum you buy already has the factory mods..in my opinion. Finding someone to do the work would not be easy either..and cost probably well over $50,000 today.
I think the best factory rework jobs have fiberglass sides instead of the luan laminated with aluminum..a little heavier but less prone to delamination due to moisture penetration. The factory rework shop switched to glass shortly after my coach was reworked. 
Fred
99 Connie
115,000 miles
3126b CAT

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:55 PM, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:

 
Hi John,

What are the reasons you need a Panther? Are you going to pull a large trailer?

Is there a reason a '99 Serengeti will not work? Both are available in a 40'.

2001, as you know, was the last production year of a true Safari, and anything after '99 was on borrowed time.

IF you need a nice coach in the 2001 time frame, you might want to consider a Alpine. They were a Safari Copy, and were good coaches up to about 2003/2004 when they also started cost cutting.

Another suggestion would be to consider a Foretravel. A solid coach with excellent features.

Jim
'96 Sahara, 300 CAT

--- In mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com, John Cooney <xephius@...> wrote:
>
> Soooo,
>
> Sorry about the previous hijack, I will attempt to rethread.
>
> I have not introduced myself because I have not yet purchased a Safari and thought I would lurk until I did to learn as much as possible. But Fred made a comment that seemed significant and I wanted to know how he came to his conclusion. So I piped in a bit before I planed.
>
> My name is John, and I am looking to buy a 2001 Panther. I am open to older models, but not newer. This is based on what features and builds my family have chosen and the build influence of Monaco. The mural will be a significant factor in coach selection. :) The work I do has me in different cities on a regular basis and my family has downsized our lives so we can become "Part-Timers" by our definition. We plan to use the Coach as a mobile-HQ, with a Sienna 2wd as a dingy, when I am on a locations. Normally I work remotely, so I can be roaming anyplace I can get a solid cellular internet connection. We hope to be on the road around half the year, or out every other weekend.
>
> Based on the reading about Fred's issues with the Magnum chassis, are there specific issues I should look for when considering my coach? What are the costs to have some of these issues Fred has raised repaired without factory support? If I do buy a Panther from a source without providence, what do I need to look for and at what costs should I factor into my decision about buying? Sorry for such a difficult question(s)....
>
> John
> Panther Hunting
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:
>
> > Opps..Forgot to sign properly on my post about chassis and turning radius problems. And to recommend that folks buying older (99 vintage) magnum chassis ask for information on what factory rework has been done to the older rig.
> > Like life; the RV lifestyle is a journey..and it would be boring if every day was the same. Enjoy the trip.:-)
> > Fred
> > 1999 Safari, owned since new.
> > 115,000 miles
> > 3126B CAT
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:
> >
> > > all,
> >
>





Group: Safarifriends Message: 18349 From: Kenagy Randy Date: 8/26/2012
Subject: Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "T
Hey Mike glad to know you're out here. I now know of three safari coaches in md/va (2 in Fred-neck, MD +U in VA) and Mr. Misset in Wyoming, PA. The mid Atlantic fleet is growing!


Randy Kenagy
Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Michael Trainham <ujam2@...> wrote:

 

amen , you go randy. here in central va.    mike t.  1997 / 3540 sahara 3126 turbo cat, allison 6-speed  -1977 martin d-28. springs n strings. ''lol''

From: Kenagy Randy <randy.kenagy@...>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Magnum Chassis Questions somewhat Panther Specific (Un-Hijack "Turning radius")

 
I love our basic 35 foot 98 Sahara. Not all the bells and whistles of a Seren or Conti but it works for me, the wifey, and my two teens. Lots of space in the coach and basement. Don't miss having a slide. Love having no payment,

Many comments on the white tiger on the back. 

The 300 hp cat just flat out goes. We pulled a 4-door wrangler for 3,000 miles earlier this month with no problems. No change in fuel economy either. East coast driving... Not the mountains. Up to PEI and back. Last summer before the toad we did 6k+ miles out to Glacier NP and back... No issues.

Keep up on preventive maintenance and keep the fix list short. It will take work. All of the coaches in this vintage will.

 I chose the simplest DP I could find. No airbags, no air brakes, leaf spring suspension and rails for a chassis. All aluminum construction is built like the planes I fly. No central vac etc. Big bathroom and comfy bed. Added my own electronics and upgraded tires and shocks. Carry hard to find parts and don't look back on this buy.

 Wish I had a quiet diesel genny and wish I didn't need to fix the snaking window seals but there is a do it yourself kit now.

I don't have any other hobbies so it is fun to putter around. 

Good luck and keep us posted. It is an awesome community you are talking to here. They have the answer you need or will tell you who to contact. 


Randy Kenagy
98 Sahara 
Frederick, MD
Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:30 PM, John Cooney <xephius@...> wrote:

 
Hi all,

Wow, so much info. Thank you all for your honesty and information.

Our selection of a Safari in the 99-01' range was based on the features, layout, drivetrain and the appearance. The Panther package was selected for the additional towing capacity and my experience with commercial engines, and what appeared to be a "better designed" configuration. This is why I was lurking here to learn what common problems and issues are surrounding these coaches.

I am not looking to buy a 40'+ driveway accessory. I really do look to put miles and time in a coach and when looking at the alternatives we were not impressed. We fell in love with the Continentals based on the mid-entry, the fantastic features, and how more often than not, they were very well taken care of. We have been considering buying at Dealer Auction where I can pickup a late model (Built by SMC) for a song if you are patient and have cash. When you can buy a nearly new coach for under 100k, and often below 60k, the Safari's are just not getting much traction unless they are mint. We had considered Beavers, Country Coach and Foretravles but they fell short in the "Personality" department. We really like the paintings and animal details put into the Safari's. This is why I came to the Panther conclusion.

But what I am reading is that the Magnum chassis and the Safari's maybe more trouble than I bargained for. My first preference when looking to buy was a Tiffin Phaeton or Zephyr, Phaeton's can be had for a very reasonable price and Tiffin is still around to support the coach. But after looking at many coaches, we kept coming back to the Continentals because they had so many options and configurations that we liked. Also, we had a hard time envisioning living in the Phaeton with three kids and not wanting to kill them every time they touched something. The Safari's seem like much more "Livable" spaces for a family like ours. I expect to dump a large amount of money into the coach. But we want to see the country and do so with high speed internet, 3D LCD's and a bath tub for the kids. We are investing in our coach for more adventure rather than filling a house with "stuff".

So I suppose that brings me to this... I expect that the coach I buy will require some maintenance and I understand the roll of the dice I take in buying a used one. I have done my best to do web research and shop lots of coach so I can prepare for my purchase. This has more or less brought me to think that the Panther is a good fit for us. Should I expect that buying a 99-01'-ish Continental will require any more maintenance or repairs than say a Monaco, Tiffin or Country Coach? I am not saying that I am more willing to accept being drowned in a beige, unimaginative interior than I am biting off more repairs, but probably.  

We all come to our choices for different reasons. I want my family to see the country, any they really want to go. My family is in the commercial trucking industry and I have access to mechanics and service that would normally not be accessible. This gives me a bit more confidence, and that I have some personal experience doesn't hurt. I am mechanically and electronically savvy, and expect to do most of the work on the coach myself for pleasure. If any project is outside my capabilities I will use someone like Camping World where I can get a warranty and have a neck to strangle if it goes wrong.

So do you think that buying a 2001-ish Safari will be a more or less satisfactory experience than buying another coach of similar age or even newer? Because we are looking to spend more buying a Safari from an individual and or dealer than we would from auction on a generic Tiffin, Country Coach or other (apparently) quality coach at auction.

BTW, thanks for the help, honesty and support. And thank you to all who emailed me outside the list. I will answer in turn, but hope this helps give some perspective to my situation and questions.

John

 
On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:37 PM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:

 

To John, Panther hunting.
You don't want to get into paying for the mods done on my coach by Safari.
The factory guys who did the work showed me the summary of labor and material just to let me know how generous their "goodwill" warranty was. It was well over $45,000!!!!
Best to make sure any Magnum you buy already has the factory mods..in my opinion. Finding someone to do the work would not be easy either..and cost probably well over $50,000 today.
I think the best factory rework jobs have fiberglass sides instead of the luan laminated with aluminum..a little heavier but less prone to delamination due to moisture penetration. The factory rework shop switched to glass shortly after my coach was reworked. 
Fred
99 Connie
115,000 miles
3126b CAT

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:55 PM, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:

 
Hi John,

What are the reasons you need a Panther? Are you going to pull a large trailer?

Is there a reason a '99 Serengeti will not work? Both are available in a 40'.

2001, as you know, was the last production year of a true Safari, and anything after '99 was on borrowed time.

IF you need a nice coach in the 2001 time frame, you might want to consider a Alpine. They were a Safari Copy, and were good coaches up to about 2003/2004 when they also started cost cutting.

Another suggestion would be to consider a Foretravel. A solid coach with excellent features.

Jim
'96 Sahara, 300 CAT

--- In mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com, John Cooney <xephius@...> wrote:
>
> Soooo,
>
> Sorry about the previous hijack, I will attempt to rethread.
>
> I have not introduced myself because I have not yet purchased a Safari and thought I would lurk until I did to learn as much as possible. But Fred made a comment that seemed significant and I wanted to know how he came to his conclusion. So I piped in a bit before I planed.
>
> My name is John, and I am looking to buy a 2001 Panther. I am open to older models, but not newer. This is based on what features and builds my family have chosen and the build influence of Monaco. The mural will be a significant factor in coach selection. :) The work I do has me in different cities on a regular basis and my family has downsized our lives so we can become "Part-Timers" by our definition. We plan to use the Coach as a mobile-HQ, with a Sienna 2wd as a dingy, when I am on a locations. Normally I work remotely, so I can be roaming anyplace I can get a solid cellular internet connection. We hope to be on the road around half the year, or out every other weekend.
>
> Based on the reading about Fred's issues with the Magnum chassis, are there specific issues I should look for when considering my coach? What are the costs to have some of these issues Fred has raised repaired without factory support? If I do buy a Panther from a source without providence, what do I need to look for and at what costs should I factor into my decision about buying? Sorry for such a difficult question(s)....
>
> John
> Panther Hunting
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:
>
> > Opps..Forgot to sign properly on my post about chassis and turning radius problems. And to recommend that folks buying older (99 vintage) magnum chassis ask for information on what factory rework has been done to the older rig.
> > Like life; the RV lifestyle is a journey..and it would be boring if every day was the same. Enjoy the trip.:-)
> > Fred
> > 1999 Safari, owned since new.
> > 115,000 miles
> > 3126B CAT
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:
> >
> > > all,
> >
>





Group: Safarifriends Message: 18656 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
I run 100 psi all around.....also put on Koni shocks, that made a big differance!!!!!!
1997 Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, daveg <daveg2@...> wrote:
>
> I had the same experience on my coach. Les Schwab told us it was better
> to over inflate than under inflate for mileage and safety, so set them
> all to 120PSI. Yes, extremely rough and handling was poor. I found a
> scales that allowed me to weigh all four independently while fully
> loaded for vacation---including normal water and a full tank of fuel.
> Using those weights and the tire manufacturers inflation chart showed I
> need 90PSI front and 100PSI back. What a world of difference, both
> handling and ride comfort!
>
> I also learned that there is too much weight on the front axle, so I
> never put more that 1/3 tank of propane in it and load the bays with
> weight to the rear. Weight moves from front to back as water moves from
> fresh to the gray and black water tanks. I never load more than 2/3
> tank fresh. Helps, but doesn't cure the problem. I may eventually have
> some of the weight removed from the front end, but that's a challenge
> for another day.
>
> - Dave Guyer 1999 30' Sahara, 300 Cat 3126B, Allison 6
>
> On 9/23/2012 7:29 AM, The Buck Stops Here wrote:
> >
> > We left Sedalia MO on Friday morning. Our ride to Illinois was
> > extremly rough. We have new Goodyear tires (G670 RV255/70R 22.5) that
> > are inflated to 120psi cold. I checked tires before leaving Sedalia
> > @115psi cold. We have an appt. to have our alignment checked @a
> > business that specializes in trucks and RV's. Our RV is new to us 2
> > weeks ago, drove it from St. Louis to Sedalia, the ride was smoother.
> > When we reached Sedallia we found that the tires are underinflated.
> > The two front tires were 100psi, the back 4 averaged 80psi cold.
> > Besides checking the alignment, does anyone have any other suggestions
> > for us? Thanks for your help as we are new to the Class A/Safari arena.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18657 From: jquade_fwb Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
We put new Koni shocks on ours last year and it greatly improved the ride and steering control.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:
>
> We left Sedalia MO on Friday morning. Our ride to Illinois was extremly rough. We have new Goodyear tires (G670 RV255/70R 22.5) that are inflated to 120psi cold. I checked tires before leaving Sedalia @115psi cold. We have an appt. to have our alignment checked @a business that specializes in trucks and RV's. Our RV is new to us 2 weeks ago, drove it from St. Louis to Sedalia, the ride was smoother. When we reached Sedallia we found that the tires are underinflated. The two front tires were 100psi, the back 4 averaged 80psi cold. Besides checking the alignment, does anyone have any other suggestions for us? Thanks for your help as we are new to the Class A/Safari arena.
>
> Dave
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18658 From: Scott Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
"underinflated"..I run my tires at 100-105 all the way around. It makes for a good ride with good handling (as good as a '97 Sahara is going to handle). Check your shocks if you are still getting a rough ride.
Scott
97 Sahara

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@...> wrote:
>
> We put new Koni shocks on ours last year and it greatly improved the ride and steering control.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> >
> > We left Sedalia MO on Friday morning. Our ride to Illinois was extremly rough. We have new Goodyear tires (G670 RV255/70R 22.5) that are inflated to 120psi cold. I checked tires before leaving Sedalia @115psi cold. We have an appt. to have our alignment checked @a business that specializes in trucks and RV's. Our RV is new to us 2 weeks ago, drove it from St. Louis to Sedalia, the ride was smoother. When we reached Sedallia we found that the tires are underinflated. The two front tires were 100psi, the back 4 averaged 80psi cold. Besides checking the alignment, does anyone have any other suggestions for us? Thanks for your help as we are new to the Class A/Safari arena.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18660 From: Gary Smith Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Get the shop to weigh it.  Based on the individual tire loads, determine what your proper air pressure should be.  Lacking accurate weighing information, you can use your GAWR for each axle, dividing by 2, and the load/inflation chart to get a starting point for your air pressure.  The table calls for a minimum inflation of 80 PSI for your front tires to safely carry a 4,190 load on one tire, and a maximum inflation of 120 PSI to carry a 5,510 load (front).  For the rear duals, 80 PSI can carry a 3,970 load per tire, while 120 PSI can carry a 5,070 load.  Try a Google search for the Goodyear load inflation chart.
 
Did you attend a tire safety seminar at the Escapade? 
Gary
 
From: Scott
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
 
 

"underinflated"..I run my tires at 100-105 all the way around. It makes for a good ride with good handling (as good as a '97 Sahara is going to handle). Check your shocks if you are still getting a rough ride.
Scott
97 Sahara

--- In mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@...> wrote:

>
> We put new Koni shocks
on ours last year and it greatly improved the ride and steering control.
>
> --- In
href="mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> >
> >
We left Sedalia MO on Friday morning. Our ride to Illinois was extremly rough. We have new Goodyear tires (G670 RV255/70R 22.5) that are inflated to 120psi cold. I checked tires before leaving Sedalia @115psi cold. We have an appt. to have our alignment checked @a business that specializes in trucks and RV's. Our RV is new to us 2 weeks ago, drove it from St. Louis to Sedalia, the ride was smoother. When we reached Sedallia we found that the tires are underinflated. The two front tires were 100psi, the back 4 averaged 80psi cold. Besides checking the alignment, does anyone have any other suggestions for us? Thanks for your help as we are new to the Class A/Safari arena.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 18665 From: The Buck Stops Here Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Yes I did attend Neil Lekander's class and I had SmartWeigh weigh each axle. I am happy to say I am in the 43% that is underweight (well for now). I found an online Goodyear G670 255/70R 22.5 inflation chart per axle and lower my four outside tires to 100 psi cold. A little higher than my load weight on the chart but it is easier to remove psi that add. However, I haven't figure out a way to lower the back left & right inside tires. They are still @ 115psi cold. I will ask the shop to do so tomorrow. I sure hope that will improve my ride. Dave

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Smith" <trekker01@...> wrote:
>
> Get the shop to weigh it. Based on the individual tire loads, determine what your proper air pressure should be. Lacking accurate weighing information, you can use your GAWR for each axle, dividing by 2, and the load/inflation chart to get a starting point for your air pressure. The table calls for a minimum inflation of 80 PSI for your front tires to safely carry a 4,190 load on one tire, and a maximum inflation of 120 PSI to carry a 5,510 load (front). For the rear duals, 80 PSI can carry a 3,970 load per tire, while 120 PSI can carry a 5,070 load. Try a Google search for the Goodyear load inflation chart.
>
> Did you attend a tire safety seminar at the Escapade?
> Gary
>
> From: Scott
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:04 PM
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com e
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
>
>
> "underinflated"..I run my tires at 100-105 all the way around. It makes for a good ride with good handling (as good as a '97 Sahara is going to handle). Check your shocks if you are still getting a rough ride.
> Scott
> 97 Sahara
>
> --- In mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@> wrote:
> >
> > We put new Koni shocks on ours last year and it greatly improved the ride and steering control.
> >
> > --- In mailto:Safarifriends%40yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We left Sedalia MO on Friday morning. Our ride to Illinois was extremly rough. We have new Goodyear tires (G670 RV255/70R 22.5) that are inflated to 120psi cold. I checked tires before leaving Sedalia @115psi cold. We have an appt. to have our alignment checked @a business that specializes in trucks and RV's. Our RV is new to us 2 weeks ago, drove it from St. Louis to Sedalia, the ride was smoother. When we reached Sedallia we found that the tires are underinflated. The two front tires were 100psi, the back 4 averaged 80psi cold. Besides checking the alignment, does anyone have any other suggestions for us? Thanks for your help as we are new to the Class A/Safari arena.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18670 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 9/23/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
I just installed new shocks also.   Old shocks did not seem worn out,  buy what a difference it made,  especially in high winds
Boyd May
1998 Sahara

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


"chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:

 

I run 100 psi all around.....also put on Koni shocks, that made a big differance!!!!!!
1997 Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, daveg <daveg2@...> wrote:
>
> I had the same experience on my coach. Les Schwab told us it was better
> to over inflate than under inflate for mileage and safety, so set them
> all to 120PSI. Yes, extremely rough and handling was poor. I found a
> scales that allowed me to weigh all four independently while fully
> loaded for vacation---including normal water and a full tank of fuel.
> Using those weights and the tire manufacturers inflation chart showed I
> need 90PSI front and 100PSI back. What a world of difference, both
> handling and ride comfort!
>
> I also learned that there is too much weight on the front axle, so I
> never put more that 1/3 tank of propane in it and load the bays with
> weight to the rear. Weight moves from front to back as water moves from
> fresh to the gray and black water tanks. I never load more than 2/3
> tank fresh. Helps, but doesn't cure the problem. I may eventually have
> some of the weight removed from the front end, but that's a challenge
> for another day.
>
> - Dave Guyer 1999 30' Sahara, 300 Cat 3126B, Allison 6
>
> On 9/23/2012 7:29 AM, The Buck Stops Here wrote:
> >
> > We left Sedalia MO on Friday morning. Our ride to Illinois was
> > extremly rough. We have new Goodyear tires (G670 RV255/70R 22.5) that
> > are inflated to 120psi cold. I checked tires before leaving Sedalia
> > @115psi cold. We have an appt. to have our alignment checked @a
> > business that specializes in trucks and RV's. Our RV is new to us 2
> > weeks ago, drove it from St. Louis to Sedalia, the ride was smoother.
> > When we reached Sedallia we found that the tires are underinflated.
> > The two front tires were 100psi, the back 4 averaged 80psi cold.
> > Besides checking the alignment, does anyone have any other suggestions
> > for us? Thanks for your help as we are new to the Class A/Safari arena.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 18684 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 9/24/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
Ride height on my 1997 Serengeti is 42 inches from the ground to the band just above the basement doors. I adjusted the height's until the coach was level front to back & left to right.
New tires & proper inflation helped.
Put on Bilstien Shocks too, but then switched to Koni. That really helped the most!!!!
1997 Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:
>
> Would please explain ride height for me. I believe it is a measurement from the ground to some point beneath the coach but I am not sure where. Thanks in advance, Dave
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
> >
> > Dave, I've read all the replies regarding pressure and weight distribution.  Have you considered the weakening of the torsalistic (sp?) suspension system.  There are many, many posts regarding the measurement and correction of the riding height of the coach on the chassis.  You may require shim removal.
> >  
> > Art
> > 96 Seren
> >
> > --- On Sun, 9/23/12, The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@>
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, September 23, 2012, 9:29 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > We left Sedalia MO on Friday morning. Our ride to Illinois was extremly rough. We have new Goodyear tires (G670 RV255/70R 22.5) that are inflated to 120psi cold. I checked tires before leaving Sedalia @115psi cold. We have an appt. to have our alignment checked @a business that specializes in trucks and RV's. Our RV is new to us 2 weeks ago, drove it from St. Louis to Sedalia, the ride was smoother. When we reached Sedallia we found that the tires are underinflated. The two front tires were 100psi, the back 4 averaged 80psi cold. Besides checking the alignment, does anyone have any other suggestions for us? Thanks for your help as we are new to the Class A/Safari arena.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18752 From: The Buck Stops Here Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni
94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks

KONI RV Shocks Front: Part # 881490SP2 $ 149.00
KONI RV Shocks Rear: Part # 881458SP2 $ 149.00

Are these the right shocks for my above coach? Does the price appear to be a good price? Are they sold in pairs? Is the price for the pair or for each shock? I would be ordering online and the price above is without any tax or shipping charges.

Thanks in advance, Dave
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18753 From: dddugger9@q.com Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
I would contact the suppier,if you get the wrong info., it will not matter to the suppier?


From: "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:07:44 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks

 

94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks

KONI RV Shocks Front: Part # 881490SP2 $ 149.00
KONI RV Shocks Rear: Part # 881458SP2 $ 149.00

Are these the right shocks for my above coach? Does the price appear to be a good price? Are they sold in pairs? Is the price for the pair or for each shock? I would be ordering online and the price above is without any tax or shipping charges.

Thanks in advance, Dave

Group: Safarifriends Message: 18754 From: ART Date: 9/30/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Sounds about right.  I changed mine bout 2 years ago and got the price/part # from the Koni website.  It was around $600 plus shipping.  They are adjustable and are shipped at the "softest" setting according to the Koni rep on the phone.
 
Art
96 Seren

--- On Sun, 9/30/12, The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:

From: The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@...>
Subject: [Safarifriends] 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 12:07 PM

 
94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks

KONI RV Shocks Front: Part # 881490SP2 $ 149.00
KONI RV Shocks Rear: Part # 881458SP2 $ 149.00

Are these the right shocks for my above coach? Does the price appear to be a good price? Are they sold in pairs? Is the price for the pair or for each shock? I would be ordering online and the price above is without any tax or shipping charges.

Thanks in advance, Dave

Group: Safarifriends Message: 18758 From: The Buck Stops Here Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
I spoke with a Koni distributor (Cummins Bridgeway, Toledo, Ohio)this morning and their parts manager wasn't sure what part number would be best for a magnum chassis. He said their RV coach shop in New Hudson, Michigan recommended I take it a RV dealer to have them chose the right type shock for my chassis.

Do you have any paperwork with the part numbers (front and rear if different)for the Koni shocks you purchased? I am asking in case Tom Raper recommends another shock. Many thanks, Dave


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@...> wrote:
>
> Sounds about right.  I changed mine bout 2 years ago and got the price/part # from the Koni website.  It was around $600 plus shipping.  They are adjustable and are shipped at the "softest" setting according to the Koni rep on the phone.
>  
> Art
> 96 Seren
>
> --- On Sun, 9/30/12, The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@...>
> Subject: [Safarifriends] 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
>
> KONI RV Shocks Front: Part # 881490SP2 $ 149.00
> KONI RV Shocks Rear: Part # 881458SP2 $ 149.00
>
> Are these the right shocks for my above coach? Does the price appear to be a good price? Are they sold in pairs? Is the price for the pair or for each shock? I would be ordering online and the price above is without any tax or shipping charges.
>
> Thanks in advance, Dave
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18761 From: The Buck Stops Here Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
I contacted Koni North American at 1-800-922-2616 EXT: 504 and spoke with Paul. I crawled under my coach and was able to read the shock info on the front right shock only. It was in fact a Koni shock with a date code of 9501 (1995 January)and made in Holland. The orginal set of shocks, I learned from Paul. I came up with a part number of 88 1541. He cross referenced it to a Safari Magnum Chassis shock that I found in an earlier post by me. The front is Koni 881490SP2 and the rear is Koni 881458SP2. Thanks to all who read and commented on my earlier posts on this topic!

Dave, 95 Safari Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:
>
> I spoke with a Koni distributor (Cummins Bridgeway, Toledo, Ohio)this morning and their parts manager wasn't sure what part number would be best for a magnum chassis. He said their RV coach shop in New Hudson, Michigan recommended I take it a RV dealer to have them chose the right type shock for my chassis.
>
> Do you have any paperwork with the part numbers (front and rear if different)for the Koni shocks you purchased? I am asking in case Tom Raper recommends another shock. Many thanks, Dave
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds about right.  I changed mine bout 2 years ago and got the price/part # from the Koni website.  It was around $600 plus shipping.  They are adjustable and are shipped at the "softest" setting according to the Koni rep on the phone.
> >  
> > Art
> > 96 Seren
> >
> > --- On Sun, 9/30/12, The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@>
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> >
> > KONI RV Shocks Front: Part # 881490SP2 $ 149.00
> > KONI RV Shocks Rear: Part # 881458SP2 $ 149.00
> >
> > Are these the right shocks for my above coach? Does the price appear to be a good price? Are they sold in pairs? Is the price for the pair or for each shock? I would be ordering online and the price above is without any tax or shipping charges.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, Dave
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18762 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Call Koni....they're in KY....859-586-4100
Or call Ralph Andrews 509-750-0248
I'd say away from Raper RV.....LOL
1997 Serengeti
Ohio

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:
>
> I spoke with a Koni distributor (Cummins Bridgeway, Toledo, Ohio)this morning and their parts manager wasn't sure what part number would be best for a magnum chassis. He said their RV coach shop in New Hudson, Michigan recommended I take it a RV dealer to have them chose the right type shock for my chassis.
>
> Do you have any paperwork with the part numbers (front and rear if different)for the Koni shocks you purchased? I am asking in case Tom Raper recommends another shock. Many thanks, Dave
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds about right.  I changed mine bout 2 years ago and got the price/part # from the Koni website.  It was around $600 plus shipping.  They are adjustable and are shipped at the "softest" setting according to the Koni rep on the phone.
> >  
> > Art
> > 96 Seren
> >
> > --- On Sun, 9/30/12, The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@>
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> >
> > KONI RV Shocks Front: Part # 881490SP2 $ 149.00
> > KONI RV Shocks Rear: Part # 881458SP2 $ 149.00
> >
> > Are these the right shocks for my above coach? Does the price appear to be a good price? Are they sold in pairs? Is the price for the pair or for each shock? I would be ordering online and the price above is without any tax or shipping charges.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, Dave
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18765 From: Bubba Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
Our coach is in the shop for an unrelated reason, so cant take a look to get the shock numbers, but I have one question and a comment for this topic...
Is your front suspension "double shock" on each side?
Our installer (3 years ago)said Koni's have a life-time guarantee, as long as it isn't physically damaged (bent, broken, mangled, etc).

JM2C
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--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:
>
> I spoke with a Koni distributor (Cummins Bridgeway, Toledo, Ohio)this morning and their parts manager wasn't sure what part number would be best for a magnum chassis. He said their RV coach shop in New Hudson, Michigan recommended I take it a RV dealer to have them chose the right type shock for my chassis.
>
> Do you have any paperwork with the part numbers (front and rear if different)for the Koni shocks you purchased? I am asking in case Tom Raper recommends another shock. Many thanks, Dave
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds about right.  I changed mine bout 2 years ago and got the price/part # from the Koni website.  It was around $600 plus shipping.  They are adjustable and are shipped at the "softest" setting according to the Koni rep on the phone.
> >  
> > Art
> > 96 Seren
> >
> > --- On Sun, 9/30/12, The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@>
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> >
> > KONI RV Shocks Front: Part # 881490SP2 $ 149.00
> > KONI RV Shocks Rear: Part # 881458SP2 $ 149.00
> >
> > Are these the right shocks for my above coach? Does the price appear to be a good price? Are they sold in pairs? Is the price for the pair or for each shock? I would be ordering online and the price above is without any tax or shipping charges.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, Dave
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18767 From: ART Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
http://www.konirv.com/nextstep.cfm?Model=Velvetride+torsilastic

--- On Tue, 10/2/12, The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:

From: The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@...>
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 9:57 AM

 
I contacted Koni North American at 1-800-922-2616 EXT: 504 and spoke with Paul. I crawled under my coach and was able to read the shock info on the front right shock only. It was in fact a Koni shock with a date code of 9501 (1995 January)and made in Holland. The orginal set of shocks, I learned from Paul. I came up with a part number of 88 1541. He cross referenced it to a Safari Magnum Chassis shock that I found in an earlier post by me. The front is Koni 881490SP2 and the rear is Koni 881458SP2. Thanks to all who read and commented on my earlier posts on this topic!

Dave, 95 Safari Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:
>
> I spoke with a Koni distributor (Cummins Bridgeway, Toledo, Ohio)this morning and their parts manager wasn't sure what part number would be best for a magnum chassis. He said their RV coach shop in New Hudson, Michigan recommended I take it a RV dealer to have them chose the right type shock for my chassis.
>
> Do you have any paperwork with the part numbers (front and rear if different)for the Koni shocks you purchased? I am asking in case Tom Raper recommends another shock. Many thanks, Dave
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds about right.  I changed mine bout 2 years ago and got the price/part # from the Koni website.  It was around $600 plus shipping.  They are adjustable and are shipped at the "softest" setting according to the Koni rep on the phone.
> >  
> > Art
> > 96 Seren
> >
> > --- On Sun, 9/30/12, The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@>
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> >
> > KONI RV Shocks Front: Part # 881490SP2 $ 149.00
> > KONI RV Shocks Rear: Part # 881458SP2 $ 149.00
> >
> > Are these the right shocks for my above coach? Does the price appear to be a good price? Are they sold in pairs? Is the price for the pair or for each shock? I would be ordering online and the price above is without any tax or shipping charges.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, Dave
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 18773 From: Andy Haiduck Date: 10/2/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic -
When I contacted Koni for my shocks, they referred me to Ralph Andrews as the "expert" on the Velvet Ride chassis.
Andy Haiduck
98 Serengeti 4006

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:
>
> Call Koni....they're in KY....859-586-4100
> Or call Ralph Andrews 509-750-0248
> I'd say away from Raper RV.....LOL
> 1997 Serengeti
> Ohio
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> >
> > I spoke with a Koni distributor (Cummins Bridgeway, Toledo, Ohio)this morning and their parts manager wasn't sure what part number would be best for a magnum chassis. He said their RV coach shop in New Hudson, Michigan recommended I take it a RV dealer to have them chose the right type shock for my chassis.
> >
> > Do you have any paperwork with the part numbers (front and rear if different)for the Koni shocks you purchased? I am asking in case Tom Raper recommends another shock. Many thanks, Dave
> >
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds about right.  I changed mine bout 2 years ago and got the price/part # from the Koni website.  It was around $600 plus shipping.  They are adjustable and are shipped at the "softest" setting according to the Koni rep on the phone.
> > >  
> > > Art
> > > 96 Seren
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 9/30/12, The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: The Buck Stops Here <buckeyewoody46@>
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] 1995 Safari Serengeti 38ft - 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 94 Magnum Velvetride torsilastic - Koni shocks
> > >
> > > KONI RV Shocks Front: Part # 881490SP2 $ 149.00
> > > KONI RV Shocks Rear: Part # 881458SP2 $ 149.00
> > >
> > > Are these the right shocks for my above coach? Does the price appear to be a good price? Are they sold in pairs? Is the price for the pair or for each shock? I would be ordering online and the price above is without any tax or shipping charges.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance, Dave
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18802 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 10/4/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
We just came thru that same part of I 70, yes it's a bad road. And I put on the Koni shocks!!!!
Sometimes I just get in the left lane, or slow down
1997 SerengetOhio

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Most of the roads were rough especially I-70 through Indiana except where there was road construction and we were forced to slow down. Bridges were the worst, it felt like my front end bounced up an then slammed down. The mirror on the passenger side was vibrating so much that it was difficult to see out of it @ 55 Mph. Drivers side mirror was calm. Lucky for me my wife was driving separately behind me, almost guiding me along our trip home. I had my coach weighed at the Escapees RV Escaped in Sedalia, Missouri before our return trip. We were under weight on all axles. All tires Goodyear G670 255/70R 22.5 are brand new on September 18th. From Sedalia I rode with 120PSI cold to Mulberry, Illinois. With help from many of our Safari Friends, I reduced to 95 PSI cold all around. I rechecked the tires after traveling awhile and found the tire PSI @ 105 warm. The ride was better but still to rough to enjoy the drive home. The steering seems to wonder also. I am now pursuing new Koni Schocks on both front and back.
>
> Thanks for your imput, Dave
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Bubba" <woodlandrjs@> wrote:
> >
> > Please describe the "rough ride". Was it a "rough road" giving this ride?
> > Until you do, this is my "guess".
> > What is your weight on all four corners? Maybe front/rear?
> > Have you checked the wear-pattern on each tire? Because if they are cupped, their gonna be rough and it wont matter what pressure you run.
> > Regardless.... 120lbs in the front tires sounds excessive to me and no-wonder you had a rough ride. I have discovered that just 5lbs can make a difference in ride.
> > Just trying o be helpful here...
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I added a photo album today.
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn't mention before that we lost both front hub caps during this rough ride. I think they are baby moons or just plain moons. I am not an expert on either style. I am guessing they were aluminum or stainless steel. Anyone know or have any suggestions to what type they were?
> > > >
> > > > Side bar: How can I add a photo to this post? Thanks in advance, Dave
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We left Sedalia MO on Friday morning. Our ride to Illinois was extremly rough. We have new Goodyear tires (G670 RV255/70R 22.5) that are inflated to 120psi cold. I checked tires before leaving Sedalia @115psi cold. We have an appt. to have our alignment checked @a business that specializes in trucks and RV's. Our RV is new to us 2 weeks ago, drove it from St. Louis to Sedalia, the ride was smoother. When we reached Sedallia we found that the tires are underinflated. The two front tires were 100psi, the back 4 averaged 80psi cold. Besides checking the alignment, does anyone have any other suggestions for us? Thanks for your help as we are new to the Class A/Safari arena.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 18866 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 10/7/2012
Subject: Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride
on our 1998 sahara, we replaced shocks for the side to side.  What a difference!  The old shocks did not seem to be bad, but they were.  Good luck!
 
In a message dated 10/7/2012 3:27:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnkclevenger@... writes:
 

After I weighted; (13500/8500) I lower my to 95 rear and 90 front per tire chart + 10%; big change; had to work on side to side but now OK! JohnC

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2005 TJ/Fusion

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoog roups.com] On Behalf Of Bubba
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:31 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: 1995 Safari Serengeti - Rough Ride

 

Please describe the "rough ride". Was it a "rough road" giving this ride?
Until you do, this is my "guess".
What is your weight on all four corners? Maybe front/rear?
Have you checked the wear-pattern on each tire? Because if they are cupped, their gonna be rough and it wont matter what pressure you run.
Regardless.... 120lbs in the front tires sounds excessive to me and no-wonder you had a rough ride. I have discovered that just 5lbs can make a difference in ride.
Just trying o be helpful here...
:)

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@...> wrote:
>
> I added a photo album today.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't mention before that we lost both front hub caps during this rough ride. I think they are baby moons or just plain moons. I am not an expert on either style. I am guessing they were aluminum or stainless steel. Anyone know or have any suggestions to what type they were?
> >
> > Side bar: How can I add a photo to this post? Thanks in advance, Dave
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com , "The Buck Stops Here" <buckeyewoody46@> wrote:
> > >
> > > We left Sedalia MO on Friday morning. Our ride to Illinois was extremly rough. We have new Goodyear tires (G670 RV255/70R 22.5) that are inflated to 120psi cold. I checked tires before leaving Sedalia @115psi cold. We have an appt. to have our alignment checked @a business that specializes in trucks and RV's. Our RV is new to us 2 weeks ago, drove it from St. Louis to Sedalia, the ride was smoother. When we reached Sedallia we found that the tires are underinflated. The two front tires were 100psi, the back 4 averaged 80psi cold. Besides checking the alignment, does anyone have any other suggestions for us? Thanks for your help as we are new to the Class A/Safari arena.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19123 From: Drake Date: 10/24/2012
Subject: Re: Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara
Brian,
Advice! We are full of it!!!  Size does matter, when it comes to the Safaris. We allowed ourselves a year to test the waters and look at used Safaris coming available.  Spent a lot of time in this group taking notes and learning from others. Our neighbor had a TREK and we really liked it, but the more we looked and investigated the different Safaris, the less we looked at Treks. It seems not if a slide out will have problems, but when it will happen. We were not favoring real old Safaris, but then our '92 Serengeti became available, so we stayed away from slides. Short story, our '92 Safari Serengeti High Tech Edition with B9 Cummings and Allison 4-spd with records and manuals complete, low miles, 102" width and everything works and in original condition. 34' works great for the two of us and small dog and also, found some really nice older RV parks in Tennessee that had  length limits of 35' and we fit well.... we have decided to upgrade the interior and replace carpeting with wood flooring and either recover or replace some furniture, this winter.... Our older Safari is built very well, did replace the shocks, is paid for and is so easy to drive and pull a 16' toy hauler with a smart car and cruiser motorcycle inside. Easy to do the maintenance and plenty of space in engine compartment to work in... Final answer, look around at various Safaris and you might change the way you look at Safaris.... we wouldn't part with ours and also considering upgrading the windows because we are keeping it....
Wild Duck and the Piper and Bonney too!
'92 Safari Serengeti
On the beach in SW Washington enjoying the rain festival


From: "glen milender" <glenmilender@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:02:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara

 

Mine is a 32 (I think) foot 1996 Serengeti 300 Cat. It does seem light in the front. I compensate by trying to keep water, fuel, propane, on the full side. I also added about 200 pounds of weight to bumper brackets using weights from forklift cut to fit and bolted on. With the exception of not having enough weight in front, I like it. I'm a widower, but I think it's fine for one or two people long-term. It's in Florida now and I'm in Minnesota so I can't check specs, etc. Glen    
 
From: beowolf_2012 <bolaughlin@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:23 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara
 
I am looking into buying a 30ft 1996/7 Safari Sahara (3044).

Are there any common issues with this model, chassis, suspension, engine, transmission, etc. that I should know about?

Does the short length cause any handling issues and are there any common suspension upgrades that are recommended?

I have seen the length of the 3044 quoted as anything from 30.5ft to 32ft, what is the actual length?

I would appreciate any info about any Sahara-specific things that I should be considering or questions that I should be asking.

I have found the '96 specs.jpg, Safari 97 Models.pdf, and Safari98Brochure.pdf in the files section.

Thanks to everyone who replies.

-Brian
(possibly a Sahara 3044)

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19158 From: Dan Date: 10/27/2012
Subject: Re: Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara
We bought a used 1997 3044 Sahara 250hp Cat with front entry in 2010 from a dealer who had taken it in trade. We love it. Are there things which need to be done? Yes. One of the first things was to change out the existing shocks for Konis. This year I added a Roadmaster steering stabilizer. Both were well worth the investment in improved ride and handling. Before the Konis the rig would bounce a bit going over expansion joints and rough spots. After Konis I found a noticeable improvement. I added the steering stabilizer this year in anticipation of a trip to Vermont on what can only be described as a well worn two lane road (Rt 4 ). The stabilizer mades all the difference in the world when it comes to being passed on the freeways and handling tire grooved roads. No more white knuckles fighting the steering wheel.

I have not found the ride to be unduly choppy nor the front end to be extraordinarily light. I was use to a 24' Tioga Arrow class C and hardly notice the extra six or so feet. There is plenty of room but I did have more 'bunk' space in the 24' which could sleep six (a double rear bed, convertible dining space and the full size cab over). The 30' Safari only sleeps four with the jack knife couch. I would point out that one of the features I most like in the Safari is the dining table with chairs as I usually have a problem with booth style dinettes. The trade off was well worth it to me. I did buy a tent and air mattress for those times when extra berthing is necessary.

This year I flat towed a Pontiac G6 convertible(@3600lb)to Vermont up Pico Peak which is about 7% grade and never fell below 38 MPH and third gear so I would say there is plenty of power to a 250HP Cat.

I also installed a VMSpc which I dearly love since I finally have a reliable fuel gage. My fuel gage had a tendency to read full until it had about thirty gallons left then it would read correctly. This use to drive me crazy but the VMSpc has solved that problem. I used a Ram mount and a Samsung Net Book which I felt was a pretty economical solution.


I have yet to run this rig across a scale. I will have to do that the next time I am fully loaded for a trip. I always had one on my old rig, I just haven't gotten around to doing it with this one. Did I mention we LOVE IT ? As others have noted it is a good length to drive and put on a site.

Dan Miller 30' Safari Sahara w/250 Cat & 6 spd Allison @97K
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19243 From: beowolf_2012 Date: 11/1/2012
Subject: Re: Buying advice for a 30ft Sahara
Thanks to everyone who provided advice, with special thanks to Dan Miller, Mel and "Mr. G."

Please allow me to summarize what I've learned so far from this thread and elsewhere (for the benefit of anyone reading this thread in the future) and ask a few related questions.

I found out that this particular Sahara 3044 is 31.65ft long from bumper to bumper (with no rear ladder).

As far as I know this '96 Sahara has a leaf spring suspension which I believe is called "EliptiRide", so all I should need to do is grease it once a year. The heavier 1996 Magnum Blue Max chassis used on the 1996 Serengeti and Ivory apparently has a suspension called Velvet-Ride. I've also heard the term Torsilactic, but I think it may be the same as Velvet-Ride and I don't think it applies to the Magnum Blue Streak chassis on the Sahara.

It sounds like the short '96 Sahara may or may not be light in front (the '99 is not) but if it is then the solution is fairly easy, keep the liquid tanks full and possibly put extra weight on the front bumper. I saw a thread about putting a receiver/hitch on the front and now I'm thinking that putting a scooter/motorcycle carrier on the front might be another option to add weight to the front, are there any issues with that other than not blocking the headlights (which may need a mod to get more voltage)?

If handling is a problem, be sure to weigh all four corners then set tire pressure from the tire manufacturer's chart. Shock upgrades and a steering stabilizer can be a significant improvement but are not necessary. Koni shocks have been mentioned specifically, how do they compare to Bilsteins? It sounds like a steering stabilizer may be a worth the investment, I've heard the names Roadmaster, Safety Steer, Steer Safe mentioned, are they all fairly similar?

The short "30ft" coach is sufficient for one or two people and is easy to maneuver and park though outside storage is more limited than on a longer coach (especially with the mid entry?). Several people recommended considering the longer coaches as well and the 34-36ft coaches are fairly easy to find parking space for as well. Guest sleeping space is more limited than a class C (which is probably true of most class A's and I don't think there are enough passenger rated seats anyway).

I've heard that overall driver comfort/driver experience in a diesel pusher is better than a front gas engine coach. The ride in a diesel pusher is very quiet due to the engine being in the back but the dash heat may only be luke-warm in the winter due to the distance the coolant has to travel (I don't know if this is an issue on the Sahara or if it is less of an issue on the shorter pusher coaches, nor do I know if this also applies to the dash a/c). The engine heat under the bed is apparently great in the winter but in the summer the bedroom may need hours to cool down after driving. For a front door coach the driver's view out the passenger side may be more obstructed than on a mid entry coach that has a big window on the front passenger side.

It sounds like the 250hp Cat 3126 is sufficient for towing uphill but I've heard there is a way to upgrade to get 300hp if it becomes an issue, though I don't know the details or if going to 300hp affects mileage. So far I've heard numbers from 9 to 11 for mileage for the short Safari. I've heard the Cat 3126 has a reputation as a good solid heavy duty engine for a diesel pusher, but is somewhat expensive to maintain because Cat parts are pricy. The radiator needs to be kept clean or it will have overheating problems, relocating the "slobber tube" helps.

There are lots of accessories and modifications available, but none are particularly or urgently necessary. Some that have been mentioned are:
Accessories: VMSpc (solves problems of bad dash gauges), front storage box and push bar, rear horizontal motorcycle carrier
Modifications: Koni shocks, quad shock absorber setup, Trax, steering stabilizer (Roadmaster, Safety Steer, Steer Safe), add weight up front, relocate the air intake box to the side, add air ram scoop, relocate the "slobber tube", 250hp to 300hp upgrade

Thanks again to everyone. It sounds like the short Sahara is a good solid coach.

I have made plans to go inspect the coach and have printed the Used MH Check List from the files area. How do I find a Qualified Service Facility where I can have the chassis components checked?

-Brian (hopefully a Sahara 3044)


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "beowolf_2012" <bolaughlin@...> wrote:
>
> I am looking into buying a 30ft 1996/7 Safari Sahara (3044).
>
> Are there any common issues with this model, chassis, suspension, engine, transmission, etc. that I should know about?
>
> Does the short length cause any handling issues and are there any common suspension upgrades that are recommended?
>
> I have seen the length of the 3044 quoted as anything from 30.5ft to 32ft, what is the actual length?
>
> I would appreciate any info about any Sahara-specific things that I should be considering or questions that I should be asking.
>
> I have found the '96 specs.jpg, Safari 97 Models.pdf, and Safari98Brochure.pdf in the files section.
>
> Thanks to everyone who replies.
>
> -Brian
> (possibly a Sahara 3044)
>