Thank you for hurting your brain. I will order them today
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> Date: 3/6/18 12:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re:Koni shocks for '93 Continental [was] New 98 Safari Sahara 3006 Craig, After exhaustive searching and creative cross referencing, I finally figured out the Koni shock part numbers you need for your '93 Continental. Ironically, all that work to find out that they are the same part numbers that the newer Magnum chassis, with the torsional suspension, but at least now you can order your shocks. These shocks are adjustable, and are factory preset to the least dampening setting. If you drive on really rough roads or find that your coach still bounces, sways or porpoises, then you can set the shocks to more aggressive dampening. I'm very confident that you will feel a huge improvement. What brand shocks do you have now, or what color are they? Koni Shocks part numbers for your coach: *Front: 881641SP3 * Make sure you order by part number not by the make of your coach, otherwise you will get the less effective shock, that won't do a good job *Rear: 881458SP2* LTB Autosports has the best prices and free shipping to boot. Here is the link: Front shocks: http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/country-coach/881641sp 3/i-2440360.aspx <http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/country-coach/881641sp3/i-2440360.aspx> Rear shocks: http://www.ltbautosports.com/k oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0564.aspx <http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-2440564.aspx> My brain hurts! Lol. John '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison 6spd. On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Craig Burrell technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > any idea about the air bags that are after market? I have a 93 cont. 40 ft > and need shocks and would like to add airbags. also the shocks listed, will > they fit the bus??? when I go to the link it does not say they are for that > year. > thanks. > Craig > 93 cont. 8.3 6sp > > On Monday, February 26, 2018 05:49:18 PM, Robert Lewis > robert.lewis.tl@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > > > Hi John > > the bags are like on a semi, thanks for the help. > > Robert and Bev Lewis > 2000 Continental > 3126B Cat, 330hp > MD3060 Allison > > On February 26, 2018 2:14:40 PM "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" < > Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Robert, > > If you have air ride, as in you have to wait for the coach to air up and > level out, and/or you have a dump valve to level you coach, then you do not > have a torsional suspension. > > On the other hand, there are some Safaris out there that have the > torsional suspension and also have small air bags installed aftermarket, to > help supplement the torsion springs. Those type of air bags are very small, > and the controls to adjust the pressure are noticeably "aftermarket" and > manually adjusted. The size of an air bag on an air ride coach is > considerably larger, similar to the air bags the semi trucks have. > > > John > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison > 6spd. > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Robert Lewis robert.lewis.tl@... > [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Hi John > > Thanks for the advice. > > I know I have air bags, does that mean there would not be any torsion bars? > > Robert and Bev Lewis > 2000 Continental > 3126B Cat, 330hp > MD3060 Allison > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > on > behalf of TD sdjhtm@gmail..com [Safarifriends] < > Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Monday, February 26, 2018 1:15:48 PM > *To:* Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y. > *Subject:* Re: [Safarifriends] Re: New 98 Safari Sahara 3006 > > > > Robert, > > You coach will be either an air ride coach, likely with 8 air bags, or a > VelvetRide, with the torsion springs, like you see in Steve's video. > > As for bouncing, depends how fast you go over the speed bump. Lol. 1.5 > sounds ok. If you have the torsional suspension, and you notice a lot of > bouncing and especially porpoising, then it time to upgrade to Koni shocks. > Make sure you order by part number not by make and model, otherwise you > will get the less effective (useless) shocks. Also, if you tow a toad, or > trailer and is seems to be bopping up and down all the time, this means you > need rear shocks, as the camera is bouncing with the coach, making it look > like the toad is bouncing. > > BTW, unless your snow is above the coach wheels, just stick a camera over > the top of the front wheel and snap a few shots with a slightly downward > angle, this should give you and idea which suspension you have. > > John > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison > 6spd. > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Robert Lewis robert.lewis.tl@... > [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me if there is the same rubber torsion system on a 2000 > Safari Continental? I am buried in snow right now and can't get under there > to look. My focus hasn't been on the suspension but may have to be soon. > > After a speed bump or similar should the coach bounce be 1 1/2 times or > something else? ... to see if the shocks are ok, or can you recommend > another check ? > > Thanks > Robert and Bev Lewis > 2000 Continental > 3126B Cat, 330hp > MD3060 Allison > > On February 25, 2018 11:27:27 PM "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" < > Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > > Steve, > > Those torsion springs look to be in very good shape. I wish I had photos > of mine to show you, as they look a hundred times worse and the coach rides > well and has plenty of shims. The front actually has a full stack of shims. > The rear is heavier, so its missing a few. > > Check you spam folder just in case, both emails should have gone through. > > I can see that your coach does not have Koni shocks. It will ride much > smoother with no porpoising/bouncing if you install Koni shocks, they are > the best shocks for torsion spring suspension. These shocks are > adjustable.... Being that you will be traveling on rough CA roads and the > ALCAN highway, I would recommend to set the front shocks to maximum > dampening, or set both, front and back. > > Koni Shocks part numbers for your coach: > > *Front: 881641SP3 * > Make sure you order by part number not by the make of your coach, > otherwise you will get the less effective shock, that won't do a good job > > *Rear: 881458SP2* > > LTB Autosports has the best prices and free shipping to boot. > > Here is the link: > > Front shocks: http://www.ltbautosports.com/k > oni-rv-/country-coach/881641sp 3/i-2440360.aspx > <http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/country-coach/881641sp3/i-2440360.aspx> > > Rear shocks: http://www.ltbautosports.com/k > oni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-244 0564.aspx > <http://www.ltbautosports.com/koni-rv-/safari/881458sp2/i-2440564.aspx> > > > John > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison > 6spd. > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:31 AM, Steve Mendive osoinak@... > [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > John, > > As soon as I see them I will let you know. So far they have not come in. > This is the best shot I have of the torsion bar on the > > passenger side.. I have requested the shop measure the heights. Barney > and his crew really have a good reputation, though most of their work is > newer coaches. They seem very invested and knowledgeable on the needs of > our coach. > > One point of clarity when I said the roof looked bright white, I meant the > headliner of the coach. The exterior roof is clean but, there was a lot of > prior owner silicon up there. I believe that the Barney and his crew are > on top of those needs to seal correctly the seams. Not sure if we are on > the same page in using expanding screws to tie the roof together after > hearing from you in the type of roof on our coach. > > Thank you again. I really appreciate the help, we really want this coach > to work for us and give us a coach to care for, and not change needless > problems. I believe we have great bones and very few problems at this > point. > > Steve > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 7:53 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] < > Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > > Steve, > > Glad to help. > > I emailed you some photos, let me know if they didn't come through. > > John > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison > 6spd. > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Steve Mendive osoinak@... > [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > > John, > > Thank you very much for the foundation on the springs and the roof. I > will call them in the morning and see if I can get some clear measurements > and answers. I was under the coach and remember there still being quite a > bit of shim still there. Unfortunately I did not get a good photo I took > a short video but, I’m not sure it will help. > > As for the roof I will speak with the team there on that too. I will let > you know as soon as I hear something back. > > Steve > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS> > > On Sunday, February 25, 2018, 5:42 PM, TD sdjhtm@... > [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote: > > > > Steve, > > Be aware that the torsion tubes *do not* need replacing, *unless* you are > out of ride height shims, as in there is none left to remove, or the > torsion spring collapsed, as in total failure. This "rubber" suspension is > very durable and has a long life. Very many buses in Mexico use this type > of suspension on rough Mexican roads, and are know to easily exceed one > million miles. Failures are extremely rare, there were a few models that > had issues because they had the very heavy large CAT C12 engine and the > heavy Allison 4000 series transmission, and your coach does not fall in > that catagory. The rubber on the edges of the torsion tubes normally looks > cracked and gnarly because the edges are exposed to ozone, etc. for 20+ > years... The rubber inside is preserved, and this in no way means the > springs are bad. Speaking frankly, to replace them just for their looks is > an error and a big waste of money. All four torsion tubes and shackles, > will run you about $6000, just for the parts, and who know how much for > labor. > See if the rv repair shop can take some photos of the torsion tubes in > question and have them email them to you, and then post them so we could > look at them. If they know Safaris, like they claim, the first thing they > should have done is check the ride height. Have them check it and post the > numbers at all for wheels. You measure from the center of the wheel, to the > bottom of the belt line. Proper height is 25 inches (+/- 1/4). Removing one > shim on both sides of the torsion tube raises the coach by 1/4 inch. > Example, removing four shims will raise the coach one inch. > Your coach, and also ride comfort would benefit from a supplemental air > bag kit on all four corner, considering the type of terrain you have back > home, this will also help take some of the stress off of the springs, > further preserving them and giving a nicer ride on poor roads. > > As for the rear view camera, are you aware that there is a switch on the > dash that turns it on? It does not turn on automatically when you are > reversing... > > Roof: you stated that the roof is delaminated, but yet you say the roof is > shiny white, so I'm a bit confused. The filon roof is a very thin > fiberglass hybrid type roof that is designed to float, as in, it is not > supposed to be attached to the sub-roof. If your roof appears in good shape > I would suggest to remove all caulk, especially if a silicon based caulk > was used, and tape the end caps (they are very prone to leaking) and other > straight joints, like the sky light, with Eternabond tape, and the rest, > caulk with Dicor self leveling caulk. Then have the whole roof coated with > two or three layers of elastomeric paint, this will likely give you 10yrs > of leak free service being your in AK. The Eternabond tape will likely last > your lifetime, if it is applied properly. Be aware that the tape will stick > to anything except silicon, so all silicon MUST be removed prior to taping. > I will try to email you a photo of my roof, so you can see how the joints > are taped up. > > Pardon for being blunt, but if this place does not know that most Safari > Coaches have a floating filon roof, and want to screw it down or glue it > down, they don't know squat about Safari Coaches and are going to botch it > up and empty your wallet in the process. Same goes for replacing the > springs. > Honestly, you are much better off spending the money at Henderson's, at > least you will get your moneys worth. If they don't do other RV work like > roofs, I'm sure they know a place they could recommend. Honestly, knowing > enough about these coaches, I do not get a good feeling about this place, > they seem at a minimum to lack Safari knowledge and likely also after your > wallet, knowing by the time you realize that things are botched up, you are > in AK, far away. Just my two pennies... > > Also, looking at the picture of your engine, I would have someone shine a > bright light between the fan blades to see if the if the charge air > cooler/radiator are dirty. Dirt is a common issue that causes the engine to > run hot and de-power to prevent overheating. This is most evident when > climbing long steep grades, especially in hot weather. > > John > '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison > 6spd. > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 8:14 PM, Steve Mendive osoinak@... > [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups..co m > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > > > > John, > > Thank you, for the reply, the interior rubber of the torsion is shot, I am > not sure on the height as I am back in Alaska now and the coach is in > California. From what I saw I would rather start with a good foundation > and replace them. As for the roof, there is no apparent evidence of leaks, > the rook is still crisp white with no staining... There is some apparent > area that may have leaked in the skylight in the shower but, that seemed > well repaired. > > The repairs that we are planning with Barney and team at Discount RV is > geared toward ensuring that we have a sound rig to come north with. The > prior owner used a low grade caulk that is going to have to be removed and > done properly. We have concerns on taking this desert deweller north but, > with a little work and some right decision we think we are off
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