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Group: Safarifriends Message: 1132 From: Ernie Thorpe Date: 7/9/2002
Subject: Re: does anyone know about years/models?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 1260 From: jmclain92807 Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Trek/Isuzu Alignment
Group: Safarifriends Message: 1424 From: Dick Berg & Associates Date: 10/25/2002
Subject: 1999 Trek for sale
Group: Safarifriends Message: 1425 From: Gary L. Smith Date: 10/25/2002
Subject: Re: 1999 Trek for sale
Group: Safarifriends Message: 1492 From: Richard Date: 11/5/2002
Subject: 1999 Trek 2830 Gas- FOR SALE
Group: Safarifriends Message: 1905 From: H Salt Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: bilstein Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 1909 From: H Salt Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: bilstein Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 1910 From: H Salt Date: 2/25/2003
Subject: Re: bilstein Shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 2131 From: Austin Date: 5/26/2003
Subject: Re: Used 30' Safari ?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 2282 From: Gary R. Cox Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Trek Buying Decision?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 2283 From: wherenoonesgonebefore Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Trek Buying Decision?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 2285 From: Ernie Thorpe Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Trek Buying Decision?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 2286 From: Ernie Thorpe Date: 7/11/2003
Subject: Re: Trek Buying Decision?
Group: Safarifriends Message: 2586 From: johntemptrek Date: 1/28/2004
Subject: For Sale 1996 2430 Trek
Group: Safarifriends Message: 2836 From: Don Bradner Date: 1/26/2005
Subject: Re: Velvetride and Tiger Tracks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3013 From: Don Bradner Date: 8/1/2005
Subject: Re: 30' safari sahara handling problems
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3016 From: JoeCarvalho Date: 8/3/2005
Subject: Re: 30' safari sahara handling problems
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3018 From: Richard Giampietro Date: 8/10/2005
Subject: Re: 30' safari sahara handling problems
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3249 From: Steve Date: 2/16/2006
Subject: Safari Suspension System
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3334 From: Ronnie Gifford Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: steering problem
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3335 From: Gary Smith Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: steering problem
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3336 From: Richard Giampietro Date: 5/10/2006
Subject: Re: steering problem
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3351 From: Jim Date: 5/16/2006
Subject: Re: steering problem
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3531 From: William Schroeder Date: 11/4/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about up-grading???
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3532 From: Jim Date: 11/6/2006
Subject: Re: Thinking about up-grading???
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3684 From: gjacobs5550 Date: 5/1/2007
Subject: ?? ON 98 SAHARA 35 ft
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3688 From: Jim Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: ?? ON 98 SAHARA 35 ft
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3690 From: Dick Missett Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: Re: ?? ON 98 SAHARA 35 ft
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3691 From: gjacobs5550 Date: 5/2/2007
Subject: ??? on 98 sahara 35 ft
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3693 From: Jim Date: 5/4/2007
Subject: Re: ??? on 98 sahara 35 ft
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3950 From: geno4x2@aol.com Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3951 From: Richard Giampietro Date: 11/6/2007
Subject: Re: Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3958 From: pschafersr Date: 11/7/2007
Subject: Re: Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 3959 From: richard walters Date: 11/8/2007
Subject: Re: Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 4091 From: dannsfc Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: Broken sway bars & house batteries
Group: Safarifriends Message: 4645 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 4646 From: KerryDC10@aol.com Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 4648 From: Gary Smith Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 4657 From: geno4x2@aol.com Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 4684 From: pschafersr Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5187 From: Patricia Harvey Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5189 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5191 From: Sherry Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5196 From: geno4x2 Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5198 From: richard walters Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5199 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5201 From: geno4x2 Date: 12/23/2008
Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5214 From: Slim Chestnut Date: 12/25/2008
Subject: T-lastic Chassis and other tidbits
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5215 From: Patricia Harvey Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: T-lastic Chassis and other tidbits
Group: Safarifriends Message: 5216 From: Ken Wildman Date: 12/26/2008
Subject: Re: T-lastic Chassis and other tidbits



Group: Safarifriends Message: 1132 From: Ernie Thorpe Date: 7/9/2002
Subject: Re: does anyone know about years/models?
1994 Model 2830 pathfinder model. 72000 miles. Perfect
Body and interior. It is listed on RVClassified.com, I
forget which ad but go to Search and look for Safri
Trek, Caifornia, priviate sale. There are 5 pictures
there.

We are currently traveling around country. This week
in Dulth Minn, heading for Cape Breton, Novia Scotia
then to Maine, Key West and home to southern CA.

In past few years many many upgrades and normal
replacements: Just added Propane infusion PowerShot
2000 (wonderful) all Isuzi should have. New Brakes,
New Bilstein Shocks, Overhauled generator, new
electric step, a/c belt pullys redone to prevent belt
lossing.

Safety Plus, CD changer, cb radio, fairly new
invertor, 4 brand new batteries, good tires, new
propane regulator, Dish sateliate Antenna, new
refrigator circuit board, new EMB motor last year,just
had radiator pulled and boiled, new fan clutch.

was asking 38K have spent 4K last 2 months but will
take 35K. Cell phone 805-794-5086.


--- rafl20@... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/8/2002 11:51:07 AM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> steel_knee@... writes:
>
>
> >
> > I have a 94 2830 for sale.
> >
>
>
> Can you tell us about it?
> Ron
>
>


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Group: Safarifriends Message: 1260 From: jmclain92807 Date: 8/30/2002
Subject: Trek/Isuzu Alignment
Thought I'd pass this on...

After buying my 93 Trek a few months back and experiencing the worst
roadtrip of my life driving it home 300 miles:

(a flat, a blowout, scaring the fecal matter out of me, repairs in
Blythe, CA at 118 degrees, helping a 100 pound tirebuster with
removal of 350 lb torqued lugs with a leverage bar because the shop
didn't have the right socket, headwinds, hillclimbs, hay trucks
blowing me off the road, bad shocks, etc... who said the best days
of motorhome ownership are the days you buy and sell?)

Anyway, among the many things I've fixed or modified in the last few
months, frontend alignment was a revelation.

Turns out the Isuzu chassis was aligned in Japan for driving on
their roads. Camber and toe-in was set to counter road crown driving
on the opposite side of the road. It had never been corrected. While
my tires showed no sign of mis-alignment, I decided on an alignment
and noticed an improvement in tracking down the road, that justified
the $200 expense.

Jim McLain
Group: Safarifriends Message: 1424 From: Dick Berg & Associates Date: 10/25/2002
Subject: 1999 Trek for sale
Attachments :
    Any thoughts about how to go about selling my rig.  This is my first RV and plan to move up to a diesel pusher early next year.
    Is it better to trade in or can I sell it myself and do better fianncially?   If the later, where are best places to advertise?
     
    It is a model 2830 and in tip top cherry condition.  Only 13,000 miles.  Many extra add-ons:  Banks power pack, bilstein shocks, spare tire mount on rear,  steering bell cranks upgrade (steers like a car), smart tire sys to monitor tire pressure and temp continously from drivers seat and many more (have list).


    Richard Lechtenberg, CPC • Principal (About Me)
    Dick Berg & Associates

    P.O. Box 927171
    San Diego, CA 92192-7171
    Phone: (800) 768-8920
    Fax: (801) 760-4504
    Email: dickberg@...
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 1425 From: Gary L. Smith Date: 10/25/2002
    Subject: Re: 1999 Trek for sale
    Attachments :
      Dick, I wouldn't be putting too much emphasis on the low mileage.  And if you do move up to a bigger rig, you need to get it out on the road more.  They all need more exercise than you have been giving yours.  That said, the used Treks seem to be in fairly strong demand, so if you price it fairly you shouldn't have to wait too long for a willing buyer. 
      Gary
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:51 PM
      Subject: [Safarifriends] 1999 Trek for sale

      Any thoughts about how to go about selling my rig.  This is my first RV and plan to move up to a diesel pusher early next year.
      Is it better to trade in or can I sell it myself and do better fianncially?   If the later, where are best places to advertise?
       
      It is a model 2830 and in tip top cherry condition.  Only 13,000 miles.  Many extra add-ons:  Banks power pack, bilstein shocks, spare tire mount on rear,  steering bell cranks upgrade (steers like a car), smart tire sys to monitor tire pressure and temp continously from drivers seat and many more (have list).


      Richard Lechtenberg, CPC • Principal (About Me)
      Dick Berg & Associates

      P.O. Box 927171
      San Diego, CA 92192-7171
      Phone: (800) 768-8920
      Fax: (801) 760-4504
      Email: dickberg@...
      http://www.dickberg.com

      Nationwide recruiting/placement of biomedical and medical imaging service personnel.

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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 1492 From: Richard Date: 11/5/2002
      Subject: 1999 Trek 2830 Gas- FOR SALE
      454 Vortec Pathfinder engine on P32 chasis, Gold/brown/white
      exterior color scheme (can send pix via email =
      dickberg@...). A little over 15,000 miles. Interior in
      pristine condition. Many upgrades made and can send complete list.
      Some include: full Banks power pack, spare tire, Smart Tire monitor
      system, Bilstein shocks, roof ladder, bell cranks replacement
      (steers like a car now) and more. $69,000. Will be on vacation
      from afternoon of 11/5 till morning of 11/21. Call me then at 800-
      768-8920 for additional info or email me during vacation period and
      should be able to answer from cruise ship. Not a thing wrong with
      the coach. We are selling to move up to 40" diesel pusher to go full
      time next year. Richard Lechtenberg
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 1905 From: H Salt Date: 2/25/2003
      Subject: bilstein Shocks
      I have ordered and am planning to install bistein shocks to my Trek 2430. I will be using a professional company however is there any advice I can pass on to  them to insure proper installation. I know I have air bags on the front (don't know what is on the rear. In fact that is the sum total of  my knowledge. I am doing this because I have read that it makes a big difference to the handling. Any input would be greatly appreciated
      Haddon Salt
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 1909 From: H Salt Date: 2/25/2003
      Subject: Re: bilstein Shocks
      Thank.
      Haddon Salt
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:52 PM
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] bilstein Shocks

      Make sure they know to torque the mounting bolts properly.


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 1910 From: H Salt Date: 2/25/2003
      Subject: Re: bilstein Shocks
      Thank you
      H. Salt
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:52 PM
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] bilstein Shocks

      Make sure they know to torque the mounting bolts properly.


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 2131 From: Austin Date: 5/26/2003
      Subject: Re: Used 30' Safari ?
      I have not driven many motorhomes but I can say my 30 foot Kalahari drives OK for me.  I found out some things you can do to make it much worse, and some that made it much better.  You have to keep the water tank full, which is FWD of the front axel.  I added a SteerSafe which improved it a great deal. I added Bilstein shocks.  I also found that the handling was terrible with the front tires aired up to maximum listed on the side wall (100 PSI).  I used the Michelin chart to drop to 65 PSI for the front which is correct for the weight of the coach, per a certified scale. I'm sure this applies to larger coaches also. And lastly, I load it with as much weight FWD as possible. 
       All that done, it made a VAST improvement, and does just fine for me.  
       See ya
       Chris Austin
      1993 30' Kalahari
        
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:14 AM
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Used 30' Safari ?

      Smitty, my experience with the Safari 30 footer (actually 32'5") is
      different.  Here is my perspective having owned the following coaches
      1996 Safari Sahara 33' with the Cat 300hp on steel springs.
      1994 Bluebird BMC 37' with the Cummins 300
      1994 Bluebird Wanderlodge 40' with the Detroit 500hp
      1999 Safari Sahara 30' with the Cat 330 on the torsilastic suspension.

      It would come as no surprise that the best riding handling all around
      coach was the Wanderlodge.  However, wanting a smaller coach we
      acquired the current 30 footer.  It handles fine.  I am completely
      satisfied with it's handling and the performance is outstanding and
      the best of the bunch.

      My point would be this, a porsche handles better than a Jeep.  But
      the jeep will do many things that the Porsche will not do.  The same
      is true of shorter coaches.  Many may handle better but the shorter
      coaches, in my experience, are more than adequate, and they do things
      the longer coaches will not do.

      If you find a short coach that you like, drive it and determine for
      yourself whether the handling characteristics are satisfactory to
      you.  I think that you will find that a short diesle pusher handles
      better than any gas chassis.  Check for yourself.

      George, 1999 Safari

      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Ruth Ackley"
      <jfack@i...> wrote:
      > Smitty,  We also were looking for a 30 ft Safari about three years
      ago.  We almost purchased one when we encountered a private sale of a
      33 foot Sahara, 1998 model.  The owner told us that he had purchased
      a 30 ft model and after one trip in it, he took it back to the dealer
      and traded for the 33 foot.  Seems that the 30 foot model has such a
      short wheel base and so much weight behind the rear axle that the
      machine was simply unstable and he felt it was actually dangerous on
      the highway.  Reportedly, the factory fix was to attach about a 500
      lb weight behind the front cap to add more weight to the front axle
      and thus suupposedly correct the problem.  I suggest you reconsider
      the 30 ft Safari pusher and go for at least the 33 or 35 foot
      models.  Our 33 foot Sahara actually measures 34ft 9inches from cap
      to cap.  Another alternative might be to look at the Monaco older
      homes.  I believe they also produced a 30 ft diesel pusher but due to
      the ability to mount the cooling fan and radiator on the side, they
      have a longer wheelbase and should not present the same problem as
      the 30 ft Safari.  BTW, we truly love our 33+ ft Safari with the BFG
      torsilastic suspension but should you purchase one, there are a
      couple of aftermarket improvements to the suspension which I would
      recommend to you to make it drive more comfortably.  Good luck in
      your search.  Turtleack.
      >   ----- Original Message -----
      >   From: carolruss2
      >   To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      >   Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 8:06 PM
      >   Subject: [Safarifriends] Used 30' Safari ?
      >
      >
      >   My wife and I currently have a Safari Trek and are considering
      >   looking for a used 30' DP without a slide out. I understand
      Safari
      >   made such a coach, but I don't know what model it was, or do I
      have
      >   any information on it's engine and transmission. Any owners out
      >   there with this particular Safari. We would like to keep as close
      to
      >   30' as we can and would guess that prices on rigs without slide
      outs
      >   would be favorable to a buyer.
      >
      >   Thanks, Smitty
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 2282 From: Gary R. Cox Date: 7/11/2003
      Subject: Re: Trek Buying Decision?

      Hi…I’m also looking at a 2004 Trek but a model 2630. I’ve had great conversations with Wade at Safari regarding the 2004 product…give him a call with any questions. He informed me of the new colors, interior trim and that the 2610 (the one I wanted) & 2640 will not be produced in 2004. I hope to place my order this weekend and it will take 10 weeks to arrive.

       

      I was researching the Workhorse site http://www.workhorsecc.com because I was concerned about the 4000# trailering capacity of the 2630 on the P31832 chassis and discovered that the GCWR had increased due to a new 4L85E transmission enhancement. Now the chassis is rated at 5000# towing capacity. With the reallocation of excess CCC, I’ll be able to tow around the 6500# that I need on occasion.  A horse trailer, boat trailer and car hauler.

       

      The 2912 & 3011 are being built on the W20 and it is using the 8.1 liter & Allison 1000 5-speed. Great combo. I can’t speak for the 2910’s performance, but in my opinion, it’s the only choice. You certainly don’t want the Ford! As far as the handling issues, I read of owners installing Bilstein Shocks, Safe Steering & Sway Bar to improve this. I’m checking into that now too.

       

      The Duramax diesel option won’t be available for a couple years. Workhorse and all the RV manufactures want it…but GM won’t provide it to them yet because they can’t keep up with the demand from Chevrolet & GMC dealers as it is. Chevy & GMC are selling all the production currently and would be in an uproar if they provided it to other manufacturers.

       

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: rvingagain3 [mailto:mrhummer3@...]
      Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:51 PM
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Trek Buying Decision?

       

      My wife and I are thinking of purchasing a 2004, Trek 2912 model,
      which has two slides. I have taken a few test drives in a 2830 model
      (the 2912 was not available), and had some concerns.

      1) The 2830 had the Workhorse chassis and I found it to be pretty
      poor in the power department.

      2) The coach was wandering down the road as we drove, requiring
      constant steering correction that would get old pretty quickly on a
      trip or in windy conditions.

      3) Driving gave me the impression that the coach would tip over if I
      ever had to make a sudden move to avoid a dangerous situation.

      I like the concept of the Trek and have learned quite a bit from the
      many websites I've visited thus far. In general, it appears that
      handling is not one of the Trek's virtues. I'm not sure, but I think
      the 2004, #2912 model will come with a W20 or W22 chassis, and
      perhaps that will provide better stability than the "P-series"
      chassis...any comments of information about this?

      Also, is anyone familiar with a diesel engine option for the 2004
      W20 or W22 chassis? I see that this engine produces virtually the
      same maximum torque as the gas engine, but does it at only 1800 rpm,
      so it should end up running much quieter than the gas, which has its
      torque peak at 3800rpm.

      On another note, how's the shower? Does the standard water pump
      provide any pressure or do you have to coax the water out of
      it? I have had this experience before, and though a small item, a
      good shower in the morning is a nice thing to look forward to.

      I am quite concerned as to the quality control (or lack thereof)
      associated with Safari products. Can one expect it to be better now
      that Monaco has taken over?

      I have owned two Class A coaches and like the Class A feel of the
      Trek. I just wouldn't want to be terrorized by the ride as compared
      to the Class A coaches I have had in the past...a Country
      Coach Magna, and a Foretravel U320...both of which were as good as
      it gets without going for a Prevost.

      They were just too expensive to justify keeping unless a fulltimer.
      The Trek looks good as a alternative to the LazyDaze Class C we are
      also considering. I just think, we'd like the layout of the Trek
      better.

      Any advice, opinions, or information would be appreciated.





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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 2283 From: wherenoonesgonebefore Date: 7/11/2003
      Subject: Re: Trek Buying Decision?
      Hi…I'm also looking at a 2004 Trek but a model 2630. I've had great
      conversations with Wade at Safari regarding the 2004 product…give
      him a call with any questions. He informed me of the new colors,
      interior trim and that the 2610 (the one I wanted) & 2640 will not
      be produced in 2004. I hope to place my order this weekend and it
      will take 10 weeks to arrive.

      I was researching the Workhorse site http://www.workhorsecc.com
      because I was concerned about the 4000# trailering capacity of the
      2630 on the P31832 chassis and discovered that the GCWR had
      increased due to a new 4L85E transmission enhancement. Now the
      chassis is rated at 5000# towing capacity. With the reallocation of
      excess CCC, I'll be able to tow around the 6500# that I need on
      occasion. A horse trailer, boat trailer and car hauler.

      The 2912 & 3011 are being built on the W20 and it is using the 8.1
      liter & Allison 1000 5-speed. Great combo. I can't speak for the
      2910's performance, but in my opinion, it's the only choice. You
      certainly don't want the Ford! As far as the handling issues, I read
      of owners installing Bilstein Shocks, Safe Steering & Sway Bar to
      improve this. I'm checking into that now too.

      The Duramax diesel option won't be available for a couple years.
      Workhorse and all the RV manufactures want it…but GM won't provide
      it to them yet because they can't keep up with the demand from
      Chevrolet & GMC dealers as it is. Chevy & GMC are selling all the
      production currently and would be in an uproar if they provided it
      to other manufacturers.
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 2285 From: Ernie Thorpe Date: 7/11/2003
      Subject: Re: Trek Buying Decision?
      I have a 3011 on the W-20 and love it. I thought the
      ride out of the box was great, even better than my
      fully modified Izusi 94 28, but took it to Hendersons
      anyway. After driving it they felt the only thing it
      Might need is a safety plus. I have decided to wait
      awhile but will likely add it.

      Before you jump at the new 29, look at both it and the
      30. I know when we did there was no question that the
      30 is what we wanted.

      --- wherenoonesgonebefore <gcox@...>
      wrote:
      > Hi�I'm also looking at a 2004 Trek but a model 2630.
      > I've had great
      > conversations with Wade at Safari regarding the 2004
      > product�give
      > him a call with any questions. He informed me of the
      > new colors,
      > interior trim and that the 2610 (the one I wanted) &
      > 2640 will not
      > be produced in 2004. I hope to place my order this
      > weekend and it
      > will take 10 weeks to arrive.
      >
      > I was researching the Workhorse site
      > http://www.workhorsecc.com
      > because I was concerned about the 4000# trailering
      > capacity of the
      > 2630 on the P31832 chassis and discovered that the
      > GCWR had
      > increased due to a new 4L85E transmission
      > enhancement. Now the
      > chassis is rated at 5000# towing capacity. With the
      > reallocation of
      > excess CCC, I'll be able to tow around the 6500#
      > that I need on
      > occasion. A horse trailer, boat trailer and car
      > hauler.
      >
      > The 2912 & 3011 are being built on the W20 and it is
      > using the 8.1
      > liter & Allison 1000 5-speed. Great combo. I can't
      > speak for the
      > 2910's performance, but in my opinion, it's the only
      > choice. You
      > certainly don't want the Ford! As far as the
      > handling issues, I read
      > of owners installing Bilstein Shocks, Safe Steering
      > & Sway Bar to
      > improve this. I'm checking into that now too.
      >
      > The Duramax diesel option won't be available for a
      > couple years.
      > Workhorse and all the RV manufactures want it�but GM
      > won't provide
      > it to them yet because they can't keep up with the
      > demand from
      > Chevrolet & GMC dealers as it is. Chevy & GMC are
      > selling all the
      > production currently and would be in an uproar if
      > they provided it
      > to other manufacturers.
      >
      >
      >
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 2286 From: Ernie Thorpe Date: 7/11/2003
      Subject: Re: Trek Buying Decision?
      I have a 2003 Trek 3011 and can say that after 9 years
      of dealing with Safari, Monoco is a breath of fresh
      air. Their quality control isn't perfect (but better
      than Safari) but their customer attitude is light
      years better than Safari was.

      Love the W-20 chassis.

      --- "Gary R. Cox" <gcox@...> wrote:
      > Hi�I�m also looking at a 2004 Trek but a model 2630.
      > I�ve had great
      > conversations with Wade at Safari regarding the 2004
      > product�give him a call
      > with any questions. He informed me of the new
      > colors, interior trim and that
      > the 2610 (the one I wanted) & 2640 will not be
      > produced in 2004. I hope to
      > place my order this weekend and it will take 10
      > weeks to arrive.
      >
      > I was researching the Workhorse site
      > http://www.workhorsecc.com
      > <http://www.workhorsecc.com/> because I was
      > concerned about the 4000#
      > trailering capacity of the 2630 on the P31832
      > chassis and discovered that
      > the GCWR had increased due to a new 4L85E
      > transmission enhancement. Now the
      > chassis is rated at 5000# towing capacity. With the
      > reallocation of excess
      > CCC, I�ll be able to tow around the 6500# that I
      > need on occasion. A horse
      > trailer, boat trailer and car hauler.
      >
      > The 2912 & 3011 are being built on the W20 and it is
      > using the 8.1 liter &
      > Allison 1000 5-speed. Great combo. I can�t speak for
      > the 2910�s performance,
      > but in my opinion, it�s the only choice. You
      > certainly don�t want the Ford!
      > As far as the handling issues, I read of owners
      > installing Bilstein Shocks,
      > Safe Steering & Sway Bar to improve this. I�m
      > checking into that now too.
      >
      > The Duramax diesel option won�t be available for a
      > couple years. Workhorse
      > and all the RV manufactures want it�but GM won�t
      > provide it to them yet
      > because they can�t keep up with the demand from
      > Chevrolet & GMC dealers as
      > it is. Chevy & GMC are selling all the production
      > currently and would be in
      > an uproar if they provided it to other
      > manufacturers.
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: rvingagain3 [mailto:mrhummer3@...]
      > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:51 PM
      > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [Safarifriends] Trek Buying Decision?
      >
      > My wife and I are thinking of purchasing a 2004,
      > Trek 2912 model,
      > which has two slides. I have taken a few test drives
      > in a 2830 model
      > (the 2912 was not available), and had some concerns.
      >
      > 1) The 2830 had the Workhorse chassis and I found it
      > to be pretty
      > poor in the power department.
      >
      > 2) The coach was wandering down the road as we
      > drove, requiring
      > constant steering correction that would get old
      > pretty quickly on a
      > trip or in windy conditions.
      >
      > 3) Driving gave me the impression that the coach
      > would tip over if I
      > ever had to make a sudden move to avoid a dangerous
      > situation.
      >
      > I like the concept of the Trek and have learned
      > quite a bit from the
      > many websites I've visited thus far. In general, it
      > appears that
      > handling is not one of the Trek's virtues. I'm not
      > sure, but I think
      > the 2004, #2912 model will come with a W20 or W22
      > chassis, and
      > perhaps that will provide better stability than the
      > "P-series"
      > chassis...any comments of information about this?
      >
      > Also, is anyone familiar with a diesel engine option
      > for the 2004
      > W20 or W22 chassis? I see that this engine produces
      > virtually the
      > same maximum torque as the gas engine, but does it
      > at only 1800 rpm,
      > so it should end up running much quieter than the
      > gas, which has its
      > torque peak at 3800rpm.
      >
      > On another note, how's the shower? Does the standard
      > water pump
      > provide any pressure or do you have to coax the
      > water out of
      > it? I have had this experience before, and though a
      > small item, a
      > good shower in the morning is a nice thing to look
      > forward to.
      >
      > I am quite concerned as to the quality control (or
      > lack thereof)
      > associated with Safari products. Can one expect it
      > to be better now
      > that Monaco has taken over?
      >
      > I have owned two Class A coaches and like the Class
      > A feel of the
      > Trek. I just wouldn't want to be terrorized by the
      > ride as compared
      > to the Class A coaches I have had in the past...a
      > Country
      > Coach Magna, and a Foretravel U320...both of which
      > were as good as
      > it gets without going for a Prevost.
      >
      > They were just too expensive to justify keeping
      > unless a fulltimer.
      > The Trek looks good as a alternative to the LazyDaze
      > Class C we are
      > also considering. I just think, we'd like the layout
      > of the Trek
      > better.
      >
      > Any advice, opinions, or information would be
      > appreciated.
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 2586 From: johntemptrek Date: 1/28/2004
      Subject: For Sale 1996 2430 Trek
      selling my 1996 2430 trek....excellent condition...6.5 turbo diesel
      58000 miles ....Amsoil synthetic run in it since new NO
      PROBLEMS....fully loaded PLUS recliner , air bags, satellite, digi-
      finder, upgraded mattress and shower door, sony stereo system with
      10 disc CD, CB radio, custom sun screens for all windows, bilstein
      shocks, safty plus steering, turbo gage, front pull down sun screens
      (4), full tow package (hitch 8000lb., short default wiring, black
      water tank clean out, passenger side computer drawer, ..got it all
      asking $39000 in Texas John Templeton 903-723-6752
      johntemp@... will have a full set of pictures next week to
      email if interested
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 2836 From: Don Bradner Date: 1/26/2005
      Subject: Re: Velvetride and Tiger Tracks
      They are made by Pioneer Metal Works, Inc., 512 F St SE, Quincy, WA 98848 509-787-4425

      Ralph Andrews with Pioneer is a long-time Safari owner, and they are among the things he developed to improve ride and handling with velvetride suspensions. I no longer have Velvet Ride (last coach did - 98 Sahara), but I had Ralph put Koni shocks on my 03 Zanzibar.

      Probably Henderson's lineup in Grant's Pass carry them as well. They have a large booth here at Quartzsite if anyone is in this area.

      On 1/26/2005 at 10:27 PM KerryDC10@... wrote:

      >This is the first I have herd of this and I also have velvet ride and
      >would
      >like more info and where you can purchase or info on installing. Have 98
      >Serenghetti
      >
      >
      > Kerry Lamberth
      >
      >
      > Kerrydc10@....


      Don Bradner
      www.arcatapet.net
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3013 From: Don Bradner Date: 8/1/2005
      Subject: Re: 30' safari sahara handling problems
      On 8/1/2005 at 8:50 PM Dwayne & Toni wrote:

      >According to RV.org, "will have difficult handling characteristics under
      >normal driving conditions and be extremely dangerous under adverse driving
      >conditions". On a scale of 1 - 100, it has a handling rating of 49.

      Important to note that it will be impossible to find a Diesel Pusher at 30 feet that doesn't get this type of RV.org listing. They don't actually drive *any* of the vehicles they describe this way - they give 100% credence to length/wheelbase ratio, which by definition must be under 50% in order to put a diesel behind the rear axle of a 30 foot vehicle.

      Most Safaris can use some improvement with handling, regardles of their RV.org rating, whether they have velvet-ride or not. My 37 ft Zanzibar is a 4 air-bag design, and it was greatly improved by the addition of a Safe-T-Plus and swapping out the stock shocks for Konis.

      Don Bradner
      www.arcatapet.net
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3016 From: JoeCarvalho Date: 8/3/2005
      Subject: Re: 30' safari sahara handling problems
      Hi Bob,
      I have a '95 Safari Sahara 35'. Yes, it's not the 30', but I don't think
      the 5' will make that much difference. I've had the coach for one year,
      and I've put 15k miles on it. My previous coach was a '93 Winnebago
      Adventurer which I'd owned for over 100k miles.

      The Sahara does like it's fresh water and fuel tank full for improved
      handling. I've got my tools loaded into the front compartment also. I'd
      met a couple that had their generator relocated to the front as well,
      and another couple that had added several hundred pounds of ballast to
      their front end.

      I just replaced the coaches tires with the same brand/model of tires
      that were on it, Goodyear Gseries. Shocks are Bilstein. I also added an
      Apollo TruCenter. I didn't really need it, but I bought into the theory
      that a blown tire could rip the steering wheel out of my hands or my co-
      driver's.

      You may eventually see our Sahara on eBay, but for now, we're having too
      much fun with it.

      --joe carvalho

      On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 05:16 +0000, badbeeoh wrote:
      > hi, bob here. Just joined the group and would like some input on
      > whether the 30' rear engined safari sahara has been known to have
      > handling problems with the short wheelbase and rear mounted diesel?
      > Need to know as am looking at buying a 95 model thru ebay and won't
      > have a chance to drive it. thanks, bob
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3018 From: Richard Giampietro Date: 8/10/2005
      Subject: Re: 30' safari sahara handling problems
      I have a '98, 30' Sahara with the 300 CAT, Velvet ride, and single slide.
      The coach has always handled fairly well. It was bouncy in severe situations
      and did suffer from being pushed aside by the big trucks that passed us at
      speed. I installed a Safe T Steer almost immediately after taking delivery
      and could not understand why it did not come equipped from the factory that
      way. That was 40k miles ago. I recently went to Hendersons Suspension in
      Oregon and had them install the Tiger Tracks suspension stiffeners as well
      as what they call the Quad Mount shock kit which puts two shocks on each of
      the front corners instead of the normal one. Well the improvement over all
      was outstanding and now I don't understand why the factory wasn't on top of
      this from day one ! It was expensive, in the vicinity of 3K, but personally
      I think well worth the price in safety sakes alone. It really improved how
      the coach handles. RG

      >From: "badbeeoh" <bnjay@...>
      >Reply-To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      >To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [Safarifriends] 30' safari sahara handling problems
      >Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:16:02 -0000
      >
      >hi, bob here. Just joined the group and would like some input on
      >whether the 30' rear engined safari sahara has been known to have
      >handling problems with the short wheelbase and rear mounted diesel?
      >Need to know as am looking at buying a 95 model thru ebay and won't
      >have a chance to drive it. thanks, bob
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3249 From: Steve Date: 2/16/2006
      Subject: Safari Suspension System
      Am guessing this has been discussed before and I missed it. We have
      a '95 Serengeti with Goodyear suspension. Coach is riding hard. Had
      shocks pulled and they are like new. Shop suggested rubber on
      suspension is getting hard and should be replaced.

      Anyone with experience regarding this? Where to have it done, if
      appropriate or needed?

      Camping on beach at San Carlos Mexico right now. Sorry all you good
      folks in the cold!!

      Steve Holder
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3334 From: Ronnie Gifford Date: 5/10/2006
      Subject: steering problem
      Hi everyone, I have a 1991 Ivory edition that I bought recently
      It has the oshkosh chassis and It wanders on the road I was wondering
      If I need to replace the shocks or maybe the tie rods if this would help
      I Installed the steer safe from camping world and doesn't seem to help.
      any suggestions.......Thanks Ron
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3335 From: Gary Smith Date: 5/10/2006
      Subject: Re: steering problem
      Ron,
      Have you taken it for a 4-wheel alignment?  Any shop capable of performing that task is likely competent to evaluate and recommend changes to correct your handling problem.  Shocks won't hurt, but may not help your wander problem at all.  Wander is normally caused by either bad alignment or worn out suspension/steering components.
      Gary 
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:59 AM
      Subject: [Safarifriends] steering problem

      Hi everyone, I have a 1991 Ivory edition that I bought recently
      It has the oshkosh chassis and It wanders on the road I was wondering
      If I need to replace the shocks or maybe the tie rods if this would help
      I Installed the steer safe from camping world and doesn't seem to help.
      any suggestions.......Thanks Ron



      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3336 From: Richard Giampietro Date: 5/10/2006
      Subject: Re: steering problem
      Steer safe components need to be adjusted properly. It is not a case of
      simply bolting on and noticing a difference. Often a few adjustments are
      necessary to get it right. And these adjustments are done in increments of
      an 1/8 inch. However, to really get the wandering dialed out Hendersons
      Alignment in Oregon sells components called TIGER TRACKS that are suspension
      enhancements that made a huge difference on my coach. Check them out on
      line. RG


      >From: "Ronnie Gifford" <rgbonehead@...>
      >Reply-To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      >To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [Safarifriends] steering problem
      >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:59:48 -0000
      >
      >Hi everyone, I have a 1991 Ivory edition that I bought recently
      >It has the oshkosh chassis and It wanders on the road I was wondering
      >If I need to replace the shocks or maybe the tie rods if this would help
      >I Installed the steer safe from camping world and doesn't seem to help.
      >any suggestions.......Thanks Ron
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3351 From: Jim Date: 5/16/2006
      Subject: Re: steering problem
      Ron, You have a different chassis than I have in my '96. However
      you may have what I had. Mine wandered something terrible. while on
      our way out west I was in Deming, NM and stopped by the Steer Safe
      factory and had their spring thing installed. Since they said I could
      use it for 30 days and if not satisfied I could send it back. Well
      when I got to Oregon, I decided to take it off, since, while it seemed
      to help, it was just covering up the wadering, not correcting it.

      While I was under the coach removing the steer safe, I touched
      everything and all was tight. However when I put my vice grips on the
      shaft comming from the steering wheel to the sector box I could turn
      the steering wheel and nothing happened. I found that there were two
      small u-joints in the shaft and both bolts that hold them tight were
      finger tight. I tightned the bolts in the u-bolts and now my
      wandering is gone. Drives much better.

      However since I am only about a hour away from Henderson in Grants
      Pass, I am going to let them drive it and see if there is anything
      else that can be done, however right now it really drives great.

      So, why don't you check everything for tightness and let us now what
      you find.

      Jim

      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Ronnie Gifford"
      <rgbonehead@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi everyone, I have a 1991 Ivory edition that I bought recently
      > It has the oshkosh chassis and It wanders on the road I was wondering
      > If I need to replace the shocks or maybe the tie rods if this would
      help
      > I Installed the steer safe from camping world and doesn't seem to
      help.
      > any suggestions.......Thanks Ron
      >
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3531 From: William Schroeder Date: 11/4/2006
      Subject: Re: Thinking about up-grading???
      Jim,
      You said you like the coach and have got everything working. You know
      it inside and out. The thing is the ride is a little to your
      disliking. I will grant that that velvet ride or a good air system may
      be a little better. But with air ride you are taking on a whole new
      chassis system which will require more maintenance. Why not get a set
      of Bilstien shocks for about $400 and spend some on upgrades? My wife
      is perfectly satisfied until we see somebody with a fancier coach than
      ours (and there are lots of them). "Wouldn't is be nice to have 1 like
      that". I say this coach services us will and I can fix most everything
      on it.
      Just my thoughts
      Bill
      95 Sahara
      B-230 Cummins
      96 Jeep GJ
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3532 From: Jim Date: 11/6/2006
      Subject: Re: Thinking about up-grading???
      Bill,

      Coach has Blistiens on it now. Were installed at 27K miles and now
      has 51K. Got a chance to drive a '95 36' Foretravel 8.3 300hp
      yesterday. It has the 8 air bags. For the money difference, mine
      drives almost as good as his, and my suspension system only needs a
      grease gun twice a year.

      Probably should be happy with what I have. 7K miles this summer on a
      trip, used 2 qts of oil, got 8.5mpg, not a single oil leak anywhere
      and everything works.

      However, still going to keep looking, just has to be a deal..

      Jim
      '96 3540 Sahara, 300 CAT


      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "William Schroeder"
      <buffalobilly@...> wrote:
      >
      > Jim,
      > You said you like the coach and have got everything working. You know
      > it inside and out. The thing is the ride is a little to your
      > disliking. I will grant that that velvet ride or a good air system
      may
      > be a little better. But with air ride you are taking on a whole new
      > chassis system which will require more maintenance. Why not get a set
      > of Bilstien shocks for about $400 and spend some on upgrades? My
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3684 From: gjacobs5550 Date: 5/1/2007
      Subject: ?? ON 98 SAHARA 35 ft
      1.. does anyone know the part numbers for bilstien
      shocks for velvet ride magnum chassis.

      2. is there a manual shutoff for the hot water line
      going to the dash heat.

      3. does anyone have the hurricane heating system mine
      does not get very warm when the tyempature is in the teens and 20's

      tia george
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3688 From: Jim Date: 5/2/2007
      Subject: Re: ?? ON 98 SAHARA 35 ft
      Hi, do not know if this will help you or not. I have a '96 Safari,
      Sahara, with spring suspension. The Blisteins for my chassis are, 6878
      & 6969.

      You might pull them off and get the full extension and full collapse
      and size of mount hole and then call Blistein.

      Yes, the hot water should shut off when you turn the heat knob to
      cold. It is located by the heater core and is operated with a cable.
      It may be out of adjustment. It is in the line comming FROM the engine.

      On the Huricane, call the MFG. They have a very good fone tech line.
      I have the propane furn thing.

      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "gjacobs5550" <j5550@...> wrote:
      >
      > 1.. does anyone know the part numbers for bilstien
      > shocks for velvet ride magnum chassis.
      >
      > 2. is there a manual shutoff for the hot water line
      > going to the dash heat.
      >
      > 3. does anyone have the hurricane heating system mine
      > does not get very warm when the tyempature is in the teens and 20's
      >
      > tia george
      >
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3690 From: Dick Missett Date: 5/2/2007
      Subject: Re: ?? ON 98 SAHARA 35 ft
      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "gjacobs5550" <j5550@...> wrote:
      >
      > 1.. does anyone know the part numbers for bilstien
      > shocks for velvet ride magnum chassis.
      >
      > 2. is there a manual shutoff for the hot water line
      > going to the dash heat.
      >
      > 3. does anyone have the hurricane heating system mine
      > does not get very warm when the tyempature is in the teens and 20's
      >
      > tia george
      >
      George

      I have a RV parts book here that states Bilstein Shock Absorbers
      Application SAFARI / BEAVER

      MAGNUM CHASSIS

      92-01 Blue Max, Blue Streak, Velvet. SETTING HD. FRONT B46-2092.
      REAR B46-2093.


      Dick Missett
      98 Sahara 300 CAT
      Wyoming, PA


      95-05 8 air bag system HD (Setting) FRONT B46-2093 REAR B46-2093
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3691 From: gjacobs5550 Date: 5/2/2007
      Subject: ??? on 98 sahara 35 ft
      thanks for the onfo on shocks i ordered them today
      bilstein part # b46-4092 b46-4093.
      yes i knew about the pull wire control on the heater core
      was wondering about a separate manual control like my last m/h had.
      this seams to be a colmmon problem that the pullwire controls tend
      to leak enough to affect the dash air output,

      george jacobs
      98 sahara
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3693 From: Jim Date: 5/4/2007
      Subject: Re: ??? on 98 sahara 35 ft
      Sorry George,

      On my '96 Sahara there is only one valve.

      Jim

      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "gjacobs5550" <j5550@...> wrote:
      >
      > thanks for the onfo on shocks i ordered them today
      > bilstein part # b46-4092 b46-4093.
      > yes i knew about the pull wire control on the heater core
      > was wondering about a separate manual control like my last m/h had.
      > this seams to be a colmmon problem that the pullwire controls tend
      > to leak enough to affect the dash air output,
      >
      > george jacobs
      > 98 sahara
      >
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3950 From: geno4x2@aol.com Date: 11/6/2007
      Subject: Velvet Ride
      I am looking for someone with Velvet Ride on there Safari that has two shocks on each wheel .
      Would like to chat or see pictures on how it was done.
       
      Geno in Montana
       
      2001 Safari Zanzibar
      2 slides pulling Jeep Rubicon




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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3951 From: Richard Giampietro Date: 11/6/2007
      Subject: Re: Velvet Ride

      I did the two shock upgrade to my 30' sahara along with the tiger tracks stabilizer rods. I noticed a world of difference after the upgrade which was done at Hendersons alignment in Oregon.  Sorry, no photos atthe moment. RG

      To: safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      From: geno4x2@...
      Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:09:31 -0500
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Velvet Ride

      I am looking for someone with Velvet Ride on there Safari that has two shocks on each wheel .
      Would like to chat or see pictures on how it was done.
       
      Geno in Montana
       
      2001 Safari Zanzibar
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3958 From: pschafersr Date: 11/7/2007
      Subject: Re: Velvet Ride
      Geno,

      I too have an 01 Safari Zanzibar. Someone else did the upgrades on it
      so I don't know what it was like before, but mine has the Tiger
      Traks, HD sway bars and double shocks. (I am trying to find more info
      about leveling the coach, I think I have it figured out but would
      like to talk to someone who has actually done it before.) The rig is
      in the body shop now, but I will make a mental note to take some
      picks next week when I get it back.

      Phil
      01 Zanzibar

      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, geno4x2@... wrote:
      >
      > I am looking for someone with Velvet Ride on there Safari that has
      two
      > shocks on each wheel .
      > Would like to chat or see pictures on how it was done.
      >
      > Geno in Montana
      >
      > 2001 Safari Zanzibar
      > 2 slides pulling Jeep Rubicon
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 3959 From: richard walters Date: 11/8/2007
      Subject: Re: Velvet Ride
      Hi Geno, 
      I have a 96 cont40 ft with velvet ride and have done the leveling.   Its been 4 years since I did it ,so, take with grain of salt.  First is to find the ride height of your coach, on mine I have the aluminum trim all around and used that as a base mark..  Make sure you are on level ground and tires are all same pressure.   I sprayed al l  the 4 bolts on each one, and let soak a while, the all you do is remove or add shims to change height, or balance coach off.  They origianlly had ten shims on each.  All you do is loose 4 bolts and shims come out , the are slotted.  I think told pressure off with using the leveling jacks.
       
      Richard in arizona 



      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      From: pschafersr@...
      Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:10:00 +0000
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Velvet Ride

      Geno,

      I too have an 01 Safari Zanzibar. Someone else did the upgrades on it
      so I don't know what it was like before, but mine has the Tiger
      Traks, HD sway bars and double shocks. (I am trying to find more info
      about leveling the coach, I think I have it figured out but would
      like to talk to someone who has actually done it before.) The rig is
      in the body shop now, but I will make a mental note to take some
      picks next week when I get it back.

      Phil
      01 Zanzibar

      --- In Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com, geno4x2@... wrote:
      >
      > I am looking for someone with Velvet Ride on there Safari that has
      two
      > shocks on each wheel .
      > Would like to chat or see pictures on how it was done.
      >
      > Geno in Montana
      >
      > 2001 Safari Zanzibar
      > 2 slides pulling Jeep Rubicon
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 4091 From: dannsfc Date: 1/17/2008
      Subject: Re: Broken sway bars & house batteries
      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "paulj11112003" <paulj11@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Can anyone help
      > I have a 97 Safari Sahara. I was making a left turn from a stop
      light
      > and both sway bars broke. Has anyone had that problem? Where would
      I
      > find replacement bars?
      > Also are the house batteries and the battery that starts motor in
      same
      > location?
      > Thank you.
      >

      Hi Paul,

      I do not know whether you have the B.F. Goodrich Velvet Ride
      suspension system or leaf springs. In case you have the Velvet Ride
      system, I offer the following information. If you do not benefit
      from it, perhaps someone else has been contemplating the Tiger Trax
      system and it will benefit them.

      I have a '94 35' Sahara. The coach had a lot of sway and did not
      track well at all. Two shocks were leaking and the original radius
      rod ends were worn out. My wife would not drive it and it scared the
      heck out of me in winds and when 18-wheelers passed me. It was also
      sloppy in curves at highway speed.

      I researched the problem on the Internet and found others who had
      experienced the same problems I had. Ralph Andrews name and Pioneer
      Metal Works kept coming up as the best solution for me. I spoke with
      Ralph Andrews, owner of Pioneer Metal Works and inventor/manufacturer
      of the Tiger Trax anti-sway system, which is comprised of two large
      bars and plates that bolt between the Velvet Ride torsion system and
      the frame cross members. There is a front and rear track bar.

      I also purchased the Radius Rod set Ralph sells. On my '94, there
      was only one radius rod from the factory. Instead of one rod trying
      to stop the lateral movement of the front axle, there are two that
      really made it rock-solid. Perhaps they went to a dual rod setup
      in your year of manufacture. From what you describe, it sounds like
      a radius rod problem, especially if you turn the steering wheel and
      the front wheels still turn. I DO NOT suggest you drive it until it
      is definitively diagnosed and fixed.

      Finally, I went with Ralph's six-shock system. It is comprised of
      dual Koni adjustable shocks on the front axle and replacement the
      existing rear shocks. The way Ralph made the adapters for all of
      hardware is nothing short of genius. The ride is excellent and the
      coach tracks perfectly now, even in a stiff wind or when being passed
      by an 18-wheeler. It was not cheap but it was darned well worth it.
      I installed everything myself and I even called Ralph on his cell
      phone for clarification of an adjustment while he was on the road.
      Ralph and his wife travel in a Safari coach; his coach has been the
      guinea pig for all of his modifications.

      If you are facing buying expensive parts from Monaco to fix your
      coach, try Pioneer Metal Works. They may be able to fix your problem
      with a better system for an equal or cheaper-than-factory price.
      There is no one who knows the Safari Velvet Ride system like Ralph.
      He may be able to help you even if yours is a leaf spring system.
      Pioneer's website is:
      http://www.pioneermetalworks.com/
      Their phone number is: 509-787-4425

      BTW, I do not work for Pioneer and am not affiliated with them in any
      way. I am just a very pleased customer.

      Good luck,
      dannsfc
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 4645 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 8/6/2008
      Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Dwayne & Toni Dark"
      <coupe@...> wrote:
      >
      > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "pschafersr" <pschafersr@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > I may have missed some posts somewhere, but anybody out there
      have
      > > info on the BF Goodrich Velvet Ride suspension? I am out of shims
      > on
      > > one side and believe I will need new parts sometime soon. Any
      > sources?
      > > Is there an air bag retrofit?
      > > Thanks
      > > Phil
      > > 2001 Safari Zanzibar
      > > 330 CAT 3126B
      > >
      > These people know alot about the velvet ride. They installed the
      > Tiger Trak system on our '96.
      >
      >
      > Hendersonfs Line-Up
      > 417 S.W. Henderson Lane
      > Grants Pass, OR 97527
      >
      > Phone us at: 541 479-2882
      > g800 Phone: 800-245-8309, Ext 1
      > Fax us at: 541-955-6164
      > Office Hours: (PST) 8 a.m. - 5 p.m. Mon-Fri; Closed Noon
      > to 1 p.m. If you call after hours, we'll call you back.
      >Phil, be sure to keep me posted in your shim problem.

      I had the Tiger Trak system, & the radius rod, pluss the quad FSD
      Koni shocks on my coach. That stuff really helped.
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 4646 From: KerryDC10@aol.com Date: 8/6/2008
      Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
      I found some one in oregon that adds two shocks to gthe front and certin kind in the rear and it improved m ride and hanaling.
      Next time I am at my coach I I will look it up and get back to you.
      Kerry


      -----Original Message-----
      From: pschafersr <pschafersr@...>
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:51 am
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension

      Well folks, an update on my quest...

      Thanks to Rich in Arizona I was able to start tracking down some info
      on this suspension. I called BF Goodrich and they directed me to Lord
      Corp, who bought the Velvet Ride about the same time Monoco bought
      Safari. At Lord Corp, I was eventually routed to the last one to deal
      with the Velvet Ride before Lord Corp quit manufacturing the Velvet
      ride. They quit because there was no longer a market for it, as Monoco
      started to standardize all their lines on their chassis, the
      Roadmaster with air bags. Supposedly a company in Mexico made a knock
      off of the velvet ride for busses in Mexico, because the torsilastic
      suspension responds better than an air ride suspension to the severe
      road conditions encountered there. But so far I have not been able to
      find out who or where that may be in Mexico. So the bad news is if
      Monoco is out of the parts they purchased from Lord Corp before Lord
      quit production (because Monoco no longer used it) then there are no
      more parts for the velvet ride.

      I also talked to Henderson's line-up in Quartzsite last year and they
      were really no help for replacement of the torsion bars. They have the
      tiger track and all sorts of other stuff to improve the velvet ride,
      but were no help in what to do if your velvet ride is done for.

      Today I talked with a bus guy at Southern Oregon Diesel. He says that
      on busses with torsilastic suspensions (like OLD Eagles) that parts
      are rare for, they have inserted an air bag system on top of the
      torsilastic spring, which effectively pushes the spring arms down and
      restores ride height by adjusting the air spring, and restores
      suspension by way of the air spring assist. He says on a bus it is
      about $ 4000 an axle, depending on the job of course. They also
      referred me to Kaiser Alignment in Oregon, and I am awaiting a call
      back from Dick Kaiser.

      I'll keep y'all posted. Maybe some old Foretravel guys will want this
      info too. Anybody know if Foretravel has a Yahoo group???

      Phil

      --- In Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com, "pschafersr" <pschafersr@ ...>
      wrote:
      >
      > I may have missed some posts somewhere, but anybody out there have
      > info on the BF Goodrich Velvet Ride suspension? I am out of shims on
      > one side and believe I will need new parts sometime soon. Any
      sources?
      > Is there an air bag retrofit?
      > Thanks
      > Phil
      > 2001 Safari Zanzibar
      > 330 CAT 3126B
      >

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 4648 From: Gary Smith Date: 8/6/2008
      Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
      That is likely Henderson's Line Up in Grants Pass.
      Gary
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <KerryDC10@...>
      To: <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:43 PM
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension


      >I found some one in oregon that adds two shocks to gthe front and certin
      >kind in the rear and it improved m ride and hanaling.
      > Next time I am at my coach I I will look it up and get back to you.
      > Kerry
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: pschafersr <pschafersr@...>
      > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:51 am
      > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Well folks, an update on my quest...
      >
      > Thanks to Rich in Arizona I was able to start tracking down some info
      > on this suspension. I called BF Goodrich and they directed me to Lord
      > Corp, who bought the Velvet Ride about the same time Monoco bought
      > Safari. At Lord Corp, I was eventually routed to the last one to deal
      > with the Velvet Ride before Lord Corp quit manufacturing the Velvet
      > ride. They quit because there was no longer a market for it, as Monoco
      > started to standardize all their lines on their chassis, the
      > Roadmaster with air bags. Supposedly a company in Mexico made a knock
      > off of the velvet ride for busses in Mexico, because the torsilastic
      > suspension responds better than an air ride suspension to the severe
      > road conditions encountered there. But so far I have not been able to
      > find out who or where that may be in Mexico. So the bad news is if
      > Monoco is out of the parts they purchased from Lord Corp before Lord
      > quit production (because Monoco no longer used it) then there are no
      > more parts for the velvet ride.
      >
      > I also talked to Henderson's line-up in Quartzsite last year and they
      > were really no help for replacement of the torsion bars. They have the
      > tiger track and all sorts of other stuff to improve the velvet ride,
      > but were no help in what to do if your velvet ride is done for.
      >
      > Today I talked with a bus guy at Southern Oregon Diesel. He says that
      > on busses with torsilastic suspensions (like OLD Eagles) that parts
      > are rare for, they have inserted an air bag system on top of the
      > torsilastic spring, which effectively pushes the spring arms down and
      > restores ride height by adjusting the air spring, and restores
      > suspension by way of the air spring assist. He says on a bus it is
      > about $ 4000 an axle, depending on the job of course. They also
      > referred me to Kaiser Alignment in Oregon, and I am awaiting a call
      > back from Dick Kaiser.
      >
      > I'll keep y'all posted. Maybe some old Foretravel guys will want this
      > info too. Anybody know if Foretravel has a Yahoo group???
      >
      > Phil
      >
      > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "pschafersr" <pschafersr@...>
      > wrote:
      >>
      >> I may have missed some posts somewhere, but anybody out there have
      >> info on the BF Goodrich Velvet Ride suspension? I am out of shims on
      >> one side and believe I will need new parts sometime soon. Any
      > sources?
      >> Is there an air bag retrofit?
      >> Thanks
      >> Phil
      >> 2001 Safari Zanzibar
      >> 330 CAT 3126B
      >>
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 4657 From: geno4x2@aol.com Date: 8/8/2008
      Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
      I have this same Safari how many miles do you have on yours
       Geno
       
      In a message dated 8/6/2008 4:15:30 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gl_smith@... writes:

      That is likely Henderson's Line Up in Grants Pass.
      Gary
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <KerryDC10@aol. com>
      To: <Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com>
      Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:43 PM
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension

      >I found some one in oregon that adds two shocks to gthe front and certin
      >kind in the rear and it improved m ride and hanaling.
      > Next time I am at my coach I I will look it up and get back to you.
      > Kerry
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: pschafersr <pschafersr@yahoo. com>
      > To: Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com
      > Sent: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:51 am
      > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Well folks, an update on my quest...
      >
      > Thanks to Rich in Arizona I was able to start tracking down some info
      > on this suspension. I called BF Goodrich and they directed me to Lord
      > Corp, who bought the Velvet Ride about the same time Monoco bought
      > Safari. At Lord Corp, I was eventually routed to the last one to deal
      > with the Velvet Ride before Lord Corp quit manufacturing the Velvet
      > ride. They quit because there was no longer a market for it, as Monoco
      > started to standardize all their lines on their chassis, the
      > Roadmaster with air bags. Supposedly a company in Mexico made a knock
      > off of the velvet ride for busses in Mexico, because the torsilastic
      > suspension responds better than an air ride suspension to the severe
      > road conditions encountered there. But so far I have not been able to
      > find out who or where that may be in Mexico. So the bad news is if
      > Monoco is out of the parts they purchased from Lord Corp before Lord
      > quit production (because Monoco no longer used it) then there are no
      > more parts for the velvet ride.
      >
      > I also talked to Henderson's line-up in Quartzsite last year and they
      > were really no help for replacement of the torsion bars. They have the
      > tiger track and all sorts of other stuff to improve the velvet ride,
      > but were no help in what to do if your velvet ride is done for.
      >
      > Today I talked with a bus guy at Southern Oregon Diesel. He says that
      > on busses with torsilastic suspensions (like OLD Eagles) that parts
      > are rare for, they have inserted an air bag system on top of the
      > torsilastic spring, which effectively pushes the spring arms down and
      > restores ride height by adjusting the air spring, and restores
      > suspension by way of the air spring assist. He says on a bus it is
      > about $ 4000 an axle, depending on the job of course. They also
      > referred me to Kaiser Alignment in Oregon, and I am awaiting a call
      > back from Dick Kaiser.
      >
      > I'll keep y'all posted. Maybe some old Foretravel guys will want this
      > info too. Anybody know if Foretravel has a Yahoo group???
      >
      > Phil
      >
      > --- In Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com, "pschafersr" <pschafersr@ ...>
      > wrote:
      >>
      >> I may have missed some posts somewhere, but anybody out there have
      >> info on the BF Goodrich Velvet Ride suspension? I am out of shims on
      >> one side and believe I will need new parts sometime soon. Any
      > sources?
      >> Is there an air bag retrofit?
      >> Thanks
      >> Phil
      >> 2001 Safari Zanzibar
      >> 330 CAT 3126B
      >>
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 4684 From: pschafersr Date: 8/10/2008
      Subject: Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
      Geno,

      I think we passed some emails back and forth a few months ago. I have
      75000 miles on the coach. It has all the aftermarket extras everyone
      has been talking about, the extra shock and the tiger track system.
      It rides ok, it's just that I know in the future I will need to do
      something, so I figure I should figure that out and plan for it
      instead of being dead in the water at the mercy of someone who may
      not know a damn thing about the suspension system.

      Phil

      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, geno4x2@... wrote:
      >
      > I have this same Safari how many miles do you have on yours
      > Geno
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 8/6/2008 4:15:30 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
      > gl_smith@... writes:
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > That is likely Henderson's Line Up in Grants Pass.
      > Gary
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <_KerryDC10@..._ (mailto:KerryDC10@...) >
      > To: <_Safarifriends@SafarifriendSaf_
      (mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com) >
      > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:43 PM
      > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
      >
      > >I found some one in oregon that adds two shocks to gthe front and
      certin
      > >kind in the rear and it improved m ride and hanaling.
      > > Next time I am at my coach I I will look it up and get back to
      you.
      > > Kerry
      > >
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: pschafersr <_pschafersr@..._ (mailto:pschafersr@...) >
      > > To: _Safarifriends@SafarifriendSaf_
      (mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com)
      > > Sent: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:51 am
      > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Goodyear Velvet Ride Suspension
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Well folks, an update on my quest...
      > >
      > > Thanks to Rich in Arizona I was able to start tracking down some
      info
      > > on this suspension. I called BF Goodrich and they directed me to
      Lord
      > > Corp, who bought the Velvet Ride about the same time Monoco
      bought
      > > Safari. At Lord Corp, I was eventually routed to the last one to
      deal
      > > with the Velvet Ride before Lord Corp quit manufacturing the
      Velvet
      > > ride. They quit because there was no longer a market for it, as
      Monoco
      > > started to standardize all their lines on their chassis, the
      > > Roadmaster with air bags. Supposedly a company in Mexico made a
      knock
      > > off of the velvet ride for busses in Mexico, because the
      torsilastic
      > > suspension responds better than an air ride suspension to the
      severe
      > > road conditions encountered there. But so far I have not been
      able to
      > > find out who or where that may be in Mexico. So the bad news is
      if
      > > Monoco is out of the parts they purchased from Lord Corp before
      Lord
      > > quit production (because Monoco no longer used it) then there
      are no
      > > more parts for the velvet ride.
      > >
      > > I also talked to Henderson's line-up in Quartzsite last year and
      they
      > > were really no help for replacement of the torsion bars. They
      have the
      > > tiger track and all sorts of other stuff to improve the velvet
      ride,
      > > but were no help in what to do if your velvet ride is done for.
      > >
      > > Today I talked with a bus guy at Southern Oregon Diesel. He says
      that
      > > on busses with torsilastic suspensions (like OLD Eagles) that
      parts
      > > are rare for, they have inserted an air bag system on top of the
      > > torsilastic spring, which effectively pushes the spring arms
      down and
      > > restores ride height by adjusting the air spring, and restores
      > > suspension by way of the air spring assist. He says on a bus it
      is
      > > about $ 4000 an axle, depending on the job of course. They also
      > > referred me to Kaiser Alignment in Oregon, and I am awaiting a
      call
      > > back from Dick Kaiser.
      > >
      > > I'll keep y'all posted. Maybe some old Foretravel guys will want
      this
      > > info too. Anybody know if Foretravel has a Yahoo group???
      > >
      > > Phil
      > >
      > > --- In _Safarifriends@SafarifriendSaf_
      > (mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com) , "pschafersr"
      <pschafersr@psc>
      > > wrote:
      > >>
      > >> I may have missed some posts somewhere, but anybody out there
      have
      > >> info on the BF Goodrich Velvet Ride suspension? I am out of
      shims on
      > >> one side and believe I will need new parts sometime soon. Any
      > > sources?
      > >> Is there an air bag retrofit?
      > >> Thanks
      > >> Phil
      > >> 2001 Safari Zanzibar
      > >> 330 CAT 3126B
      > >>
      > >
      > >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5187 From: Patricia Harvey Date: 12/23/2008
      Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
      Are you doing this work yourself? Or where are you
      getting it done? Where did you find the shocks and
      Tiger Track sway bars?

      Our coach sits level and drives nice--just very stiff
      and jarring over bumps, etc.

      --- "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:

      > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "patsroamin"
      > <patsroamin@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello Safari Friends,
      > >
      > > Our 1993 Continental has the BF Goodrich Velvet
      > Ride suspension.
      > Our
      > > coach doesn't ride as well through swales and over
      > bumps as my
      > husband
      > > thinks it should. It bottoms out and is generally
      > very rough--not
      > very
      > > velvety. It's fine on relatively good highway.
      > Has anyone out
      > there
      > > had this problem and what, if anything, did you do
      > or have done?
      > And
      > > does anyone know if there are places who will
      > adjust the torsion
      > bars?
      > > We're in south Alabama near Robertsdale. Oh, and
      > until yesterday
      > it's
      > > been in the mid 70's.
      > >
      > > Pat
      > >I've worked on my Velvet ride for two years, &
      > finally got it pretty
      > good.
      > I adjusted the ride height to 42". That's to the
      > bottom of the band
      > just above the basement doors. Making sure the coach
      > is level, front
      > to back, & left to right.
      > I put on the Goodyear 670's on the front, & adjusted
      > tire pressure to
      > 90 psi front & 100 psi rear.
      > I put on 4 Koni FSD shock's in the front &
      > Bilstien's in the rear.
      > Two new radius rods in the front, & the Tiger Track
      > sway bars.
      > I've got thing's pretty good now.
      > I'm checking on air bags, but that's going to take a
      > bit of work.
      >
      >
      >
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5189 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 12/23/2008
      Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Harvey
      <patsroamin@...> wrote:
      >
      > Are you doing this work yourself? Or where are you
      > getting it done? Where did you find the shocks and
      > Tiger Track sway bars?
      >
      > Our coach sits level and drives nice--just very stiff
      > and jarring over bumps, etc.
      >
      >

      --- "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:
      > Patricia, I did the leveling & shocks myself.
      The radius rods are pretty easy, & the Tiger Tracks just bolt on.
      I believe Blue Ox sells the parts.
      The front shocks will give you the most improvement in your ride, if
      your ride height is correct.
      I'd like to hear what you'd like to do, & if you like it.
      I've got all the contact info & costs, somewhere.




      > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "patsroamin"
      > > <patsroamin@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hello Safari Friends,
      > > >
      > > > Our 1993 Continental has the BF Goodrich Velvet
      > > Ride suspension.
      > > Our
      > > > coach doesn't ride as well through swales and over
      > > bumps as my
      > > husband
      > > > thinks it should. It bottoms out and is generally
      > > very rough--not
      > > very
      > > > velvety. It's fine on relatively good highway.
      > > Has anyone out
      > > there
      > > > had this problem and what, if anything, did you do
      > > or have done?
      > > And
      > > > does anyone know if there are places who will
      > > adjust the torsion
      > > bars?
      > > > We're in south Alabama near Robertsdale. Oh, and
      > > until yesterday
      > > it's
      > > > been in the mid 70's.
      > > >
      > > > Pat
      > > >I've worked on my Velvet ride for two years, &
      > > finally got it pretty
      > > good.
      > > I adjusted the ride height to 42". That's to the
      > > bottom of the band
      > > just above the basement doors. Making sure the coach
      > > is level, front
      > > to back, & left to right.
      > > I put on the Goodyear 670's on the front, & adjusted
      > > tire pressure to
      > > 90 psi front & 100 psi rear.
      > > I put on 4 Koni FSD shock's in the front &
      > > Bilstien's in the rear.
      > > Two new radius rods in the front, & the Tiger Track
      > > sway bars.
      > > I've got thing's pretty good now.
      > > I'm checking on air bags, but that's going to take a
      > > bit of work.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5191 From: Sherry Date: 12/23/2008
      Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
      I'm just guessing here but it sounds like your shocks are shot or need
      adjusting. If shot, the Konis are better than the Bilsteins it came
      with per several RV mechanics:-)

      Sherry
      FT on Safari

      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Harvey <patsroamin@...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Are you doing this work yourself? Or where are you
      > getting it done? Where did you find the shocks and
      > Tiger Track sway bars?
      >
      > Our coach sits level and drives nice--just very stiff
      > and jarring over bumps, etc.
      >
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5196 From: geno4x2 Date: 12/23/2008
      Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
      The only way the Konis are better if you put two on each wheel I had a single set and took them off and put my Bilstenis back on, way better from experience .
       Geno
       
       
       
      In a message dated 12/23/08 11:17:42 Mountain Standard Time, bsherryg@... writes:

      I'm just guessing here but it sounds like your shocks are shot or need
      adjusting. If shot, the Konis are better than the Bilsteins it came
      with per several RV mechanics:-)

      Sherry
      FT on Safari

      --- In Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com, Patricia Harvey <patsroamin@ ...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Are you doing this work yourself? Or where are you
      > getting it done? Where did you find the shocks and
      > Tiger Track sway bars?
      >
      > Our coach sits level and drives nice--just very stiff
      > and jarring over bumps, etc.
      >

       
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5198 From: richard walters Date: 12/23/2008
      Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
      HI Geno,
       
      Just curious , had the complete opposite on my 96 40 ft, what year and length is yours
       
      thanks
      richard in arizona




      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      From: geno4x2@...
      Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:01:28 -0700
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension


      The only way the Konis are better if you put two on each wheel I had a single set and took them off and put my Bilstenis back on, way better from experience .
       Geno
       
       
       
      In a message dated 12/23/08 11:17:42 Mountain Standard Time, bsherryg@yahoo. com writes:

      I'm just guessing here but it sounds like your shocks are shot or need
      adjusting. If shot, the Konis are better than the Bilsteins it came
      with per several RV mechanics:-)

      Sherry
      FT on Safari

      --- In Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com, Patricia Harvey <patsroamin@ ...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Are you doing this work yourself? Or where are you
      > getting it done? Where did you find the shocks and
      > Tiger Track sway bars?
      >
      > Our coach sits level and drives nice--just very stiff
      > and jarring over bumps, etc.
      >


       



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5199 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 12/23/2008
      Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, richard walters
      <plutothedog1@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > HI Geno,
      >
      > Just curious , had the complete opposite on my 96 40 ft, what year
      and length is yours
      >
      > thanks
      > richard in arizona
      >
      >
      >
      > To: Safarifriends@...: geno4x2@...: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:01:28 -
      0700Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride
      Suspension
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > The only way the Konis are better if you put two on each wheel I
      had a single set and took them off and put my Bilstenis back on, way
      better from experience .
      > Geno
      >
      The deal I got was if I wasn't satisfied I could return it & get my
      money back. I wouldn't give up my quad Koni's.
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 12/23/08 11:17:42 Mountain Standard Time,
      bsherryg@... writes:
      >
      >
      >
      > I'm just guessing here but it sounds like your shocks are shot or
      needadjusting. If shot, the Konis are better than the Bilsteins it
      camewith per several RV mechanics:-)SherryFT on Safari--- In
      Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Harvey <patsroamin@>wrote:>>
      Are you doing this work yourself? Or where are you> getting it done?
      Where did you find the shocks and> Tiger Track sway bars?> > Our
      coach sits level and drives nice--just very stiff> and jarring over
      bumps, etc.>
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5201 From: geno4x2 Date: 12/23/2008
      Subject: Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride Suspension
       
      Mine is a 2001 38 footer you said the quad word I didn't won't put that much more money in mine because I know what the bilstenis did
       Geno
       
       
      In a message dated 12/23/08 17:44:05 Mountain Standard Time, cdl45309@... writes:

      --- In Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com, richard walters
      <plutothedog1@ ...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > HI Geno,
      >
      > Just curious , had the complete opposite on my 96 40 ft, what year
      and length is yours
      >
      > thanks
      > richard in arizona
      >
      >
      >
      > To: Safarifriends@ ...: geno4x2@...: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:01:28 -
      0700Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: BF Goodrich Velvet Ride
      Suspension
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > The only way the Konis are better if you put two on each wheel I
      had a single set and took them off and put my Bilstenis back on, way
      better from experience .
      > Geno
      >
      The deal I got was if I wasn't satisfied I could return it & get my
      money back. I wouldn't give up my quad Koni's.
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 12/23/08 11:17:42 Mountain Standard Time,
      bsherryg@... writes:
      >
      >
      >
      > I'm just guessing here but it sounds like your shocks are shot or
      needadjusting. If shot, the Konis are better than the Bilsteins it
      camewith per several RV mechanics:-) SherryFT on Safari--- In
      Safarifriends@ yahoogroups. com, Patricia Harvey <patsroamin@ >wrote:>>
      Are you doing this work yourself? Or where are you> getting it done?
      Where did you find the shocks and> Tiger Track sway bars?> > Our
      coach sits level and drives nice--just very stiff> and jarring over
      bumps, etc.>
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5214 From: Slim Chestnut Date: 12/25/2008
      Subject: T-lastic Chassis and other tidbits
      The 1993/4 built and slighlty earier models that had Torsilistic suspension were built on an Oshkosh V-line truck chassis which is an excellent chassis and well built but your load needs to be balanced to avoid porposiing under certain conditions as someone else mentioned.

      The dual shocks on the front are a good and proven idea. Just replacing the factory bilstiens with new ones usally helps 100% but after a few years the bllstiens lose just enough to allow some porposing. Save the bad shocks and get replacements for free from bilstein or convert to the Konis dual adjustable.

      We have a 1992 built, 1993 Continental around 38 feet long with mid door and the Cummins DP, 8.3  and the rare island floorplan. It is very dependable, economical and forgiving and a bargain if you can find one used. We have noticed several things:

      First if you overload the belly compartments with too much weight they can begin to rip lose on rough roads as the original owners of  our rig experienced. Forunately they caught it in time and added a center support to the large bays.

      It s very important to place as much weight s reasonable up front and down low as possible to control or eliminate porpoising. Our traveling GW is around 23,000-25,000 (+-) but we find it porpoises non or very little when the deisel, water, propane and other tanks are kept topped off and we carry 500 Lbs or more in the front 1/3rd of the rig. When we boondock I usually fill several 5 gal camp jugs with drinking water and buy a few jugs of distilled and keep it up front under the dashboard in the footwell area and we pack the heaviest items such as my tools in the passenger front asementy compartment. It also helps to have a full set of pantries and cabinets for long trips. It rides much better.

      If anyone has the actual steeriing alignment numbers for the 1992/3 Oshkosh V-line chassis with Torsilastics for a Continental  I will pay for a copy. I think my front trail/ toe/camber may be set wrong as the previous owner had it done in Texas by a shop that had probably never seen a torsilatic coach.

      Merry Chrstmas.

      PS:

      We have a place on the gulf for our rig and would love to chat with the Safari couple from Alabama that have the arly 90's rig.

      Slim and Lucille
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5215 From: Patricia Harvey Date: 12/26/2008
      Subject: Re: T-lastic Chassis and other tidbits
      Hello Slim and Lucille,

      I'm not sure if you were talking about us or
      not--we're in Robertsdale, AL--but we have a 1993
      Safari Continental. It's built on the Oshkosh V-LIne
      chassis as you said. While we've had to do a few,
      rather expensive, repairs on ours--due mostly to
      sitting for a long period of time before we bought
      it--we think it is hands down the best RV we've ever
      had. Except for the rather ugly pinkish color of the
      bathroom tile and fixtures it's darn near perfect for
      our needs.

      We would love to meet up and compare notes on our
      Safari's.

      I've heard mention of the "island" floor plan before.
      What exactly is that?

      Pat and Bob
      --- Slim Chestnut <togocotton@...> wrote:

      > The 1993/4 built and slighlty earier models that had
      > Torsilistic suspension
      > were built on an Oshkosh V-line truck chassis which
      > is an excellent chassis
      > and well built but your load needs to be balanced to
      > avoid porposiing under
      > certain conditions as someone else mentioned.
      >
      > The dual shocks on the front are a good and proven
      > idea. Just replacing the
      > factory bilstiens with new ones usally helps 100%
      > but after a few years the
      > bllstiens lose just enough to allow some porposing.
      > Save the bad shocks and
      > get replacements for free from bilstein or convert
      > to the Konis dual
      > adjustable.
      >
      > We have a 1992 built, 1993 Continental around 38
      > feet long with mid door and
      > the Cummins DP, 8.3 and the rare island floorplan.
      > It is very dependable,
      > economical and forgiving and a bargain if you can
      > find one used. We have
      > noticed several things:
      >
      > First if you overload the belly compartments with
      > too much weight they can
      > begin to rip lose on rough roads as the original
      > owners of our rig
      > experienced. Forunately they caught it in time and
      > added a center support to
      > the large bays.
      >
      > It s very important to place as much weight s
      > reasonable up front and down
      > low as possible to control or eliminate porpoising.
      > Our traveling GW is
      > around 23,000-25,000 (+-) but we find it porpoises
      > non or very little when
      > the deisel, water, propane and other tanks are kept
      > topped off and we carry
      > 500 Lbs or more in the front 1/3rd of the rig. When
      > we boondock I usually
      > fill several 5 gal camp jugs with drinking water and
      > buy a few jugs of
      > distilled and keep it up front under the dashboard
      > in the footwell area and
      > we pack the heaviest items such as my tools in the
      > passenger front asementy
      > compartment. It also helps to have a full set of
      > pantries and cabinets for
      > long trips. It rides much better.
      >
      > If anyone has the actual steeriing alignment numbers
      > for the 1992/3 Oshkosh
      > V-line chassis with Torsilastics for a Continental
      > I will pay for a copy. I
      > think my front trail/ toe/camber may be set wrong as
      > the previous owner had
      > it done in Texas by a shop that had probably never
      > seen a torsilatic coach.
      >
      > Merry Chrstmas.
      >
      > PS:
      >
      > We have a place on the gulf for our rig and would
      > love to chat with the
      > Safari couple from Alabama that have the arly 90's
      > rig.
      >
      > Slim and Lucille
      >
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 5216 From: Ken Wildman Date: 12/26/2008
      Subject: Re: T-lastic Chassis and other tidbits
      Island Queen bed?? Only reference to an island that I've noticed.


      Ken
      96 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35', CAT 300


      --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Harvey
      <patsroamin@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello Slim and Lucille,
      >
      > I'm not sure if you were talking about us or
      > not--we're in Robertsdale, AL--but we have a 1993
      > Safari Continental. It's built on the Oshkosh V-LIne
      > chassis as you said. While we've had to do a few,
      > rather expensive, repairs on ours--due mostly to
      > sitting for a long period of time before we bought
      > it--we think it is hands down the best RV we've ever
      > had. Except for the rather ugly pinkish color of the
      > bathroom tile and fixtures it's darn near perfect for
      > our needs.
      >
      > We would love to meet up and compare notes on our
      > Safari's.
      >
      > I've heard mention of the "island" floor plan before.
      > What exactly is that?
      >
      > Pat and Bob
      > --- Slim Chestnut <togocotton@...> wrote:
      >
      > > The 1993/4 built and slighlty earier models that had
      > > Torsilistic suspension
      > > were built on an Oshkosh V-line truck chassis which
      > > is an excellent chassis
      > > and well built but your load needs to be balanced to
      > > avoid porposiing under
      > > certain conditions as someone else mentioned.
      > >
      > > The dual shocks on the front are a good and proven
      > > idea. Just replacing the
      > > factory bilstiens with new ones usally helps 100%
      > > but after a few years the
      > > bllstiens lose just enough to allow some porposing.
      > > Save the bad shocks and
      > > get replacements for free from bilstein or convert
      > > to the Konis dual
      > > adjustable.
      > >
      > > We have a 1992 built, 1993 Continental around 38
      > > feet long with mid door and
      > > the Cummins DP, 8.3 and the rare island floorplan.
      > > It is very dependable,
      > > economical and forgiving and a bargain if you can
      > > find one used. We have
      > > noticed several things:
      > >
      > > First if you overload the belly compartments with
      > > too much weight they can
      > > begin to rip lose on rough roads as the original
      > > owners of our rig
      > > experienced. Forunately they caught it in time and
      > > added a center support to
      > > the large bays.
      > >
      > > It s very important to place as much weight s
      > > reasonable up front and down
      > > low as possible to control or eliminate porpoising.
      > > Our traveling GW is
      > > around 23,000-25,000 (+-) but we find it porpoises
      > > non or very little when
      > > the deisel, water, propane and other tanks are kept
      > > topped off and we carry
      > > 500 Lbs or more in the front 1/3rd of the rig. When
      > > we boondock I usually
      > > fill several 5 gal camp jugs with drinking water and
      > > buy a few jugs of
      > > distilled and keep it up front under the dashboard
      > > in the footwell area and
      > > we pack the heaviest items such as my tools in the
      > > passenger front asementy
      > > compartment. It also helps to have a full set of
      > > pantries and cabinets for
      > > long trips. It rides much better.
      > >
      > > If anyone has the actual steeriing alignment numbers
      > > for the 1992/3 Oshkosh
      > > V-line chassis with Torsilastics for a Continental
      > > I will pay for a copy. I
      > > think my front trail/ toe/camber may be set wrong as
      > > the previous owner had
      > > it done in Texas by a shop that had probably never
      > > seen a torsilatic coach.
      > >
      > > Merry Chrstmas.
      > >
      > > PS:
      > >
      > > We have a place on the gulf for our rig and would
      > > love to chat with the
      > > Safari couple from Alabama that have the arly 90's
      > > rig.
      > >
      > > Slim and Lucille
      > >
      >