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Group: Safarifriends Message: 30881 From: iwuwh Date: 7/30/2016
Subject: Re: 1999 safari steering box
Group: Safarifriends Message: 30891 From: Eric Botnick Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: 1999 safari steering box
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31221 From: Dean Dugger Date: 9/20/2016
Subject: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31222 From: TD Date: 9/20/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31228 From: Dean Dugger Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31229 From: TD Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31230 From: John Welch Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31231 From: TD Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31233 From: Bridget and Gerald Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31235 From: TD Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31236 From: Dean Dugger Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31237 From: TD Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31238 From: barry Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31239 From: RP Sunrise Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31240 From: TD Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31242 From: deanshaw999 Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31243 From: mel96safari Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31244 From: RP Sunrise Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31245 From: TD Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31246 From: Dean Dugger Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31247 From: TD Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31248 From: RP Sunrise Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31249 From: RP Sunrise Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31250 From: mel96safari Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31251 From: Keith Bowers Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31252 From: TD Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31253 From: ventus2b2001 Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31256 From: mel96safari Date: 9/24/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31744 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31746 From: TD Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31747 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31748 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/6/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31790 From: barryboyette Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31791 From: Duane Buck Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31792 From: James Exler Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31793 From: ouachita1 Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31794 From: TD Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31796 From: Dean Shaw Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31797 From: trekker01@gmail.com Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31810 From: barryboyette Date: 12/14/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31836 From: glennbarney@rocketmail.com Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31838 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31842 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31843 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31845 From: Thomas Vineski Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31846 From: TD Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31847 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31848 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31854 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31868 From: TD Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks



Group: Safarifriends Message: 30881 From: iwuwh Date: 7/30/2016
Subject: Re: 1999 safari steering box

I am late to the party so I am guessing you got this fixed already.  I am in Houston and have a 98 Serengeti.  I think in almost all cases it is going to be cheaper to buy a rebuilt gear box and have it put on vs actually finding someone who can rebuild yours in a short amount of time.  I do not think it is practical for 99%^ of people to try and rebuild one on their own.  As another poster said you need a few specialty tools and thing is very heavy. 

RH Sheppard does have videos on how to replace the seals.  I would replace all seals at the same time or you are just asking for trouble.  Also,  You can keep filling your fluid up and drive your RV to a repair shop.  Your brake warning system and the feel of the steering wheel will tell you when you need to pull over and refill your fluid.  Please note this is driving down the service road a few miles only.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 30891 From: Eric Botnick Date: 7/31/2016
Subject: Re: 1999 safari steering box
These people are very good & quick. Most times it's not just seals, the shaft is also worn & need to be built up or it will start leaking soon after if not right away. These folks have a machine that puts the metal back to make it level.

Eric
'97 Continental

D & S Steering Service Incorporated
4129 Euphrosine St.
New Orleans LA 70125
(504) 822-7837

$350 to $450 to overhaul Shepherd steering box. Two days. Took longer because had to wait for them to get a machine to build up worn shaft.
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 31221 From: Dean Dugger Date: 9/20/2016
Subject: Steering tires:
I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31222 From: TD Date: 9/20/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31228 From: Dean Dugger Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31229 From: TD Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Dean,

Even though I have never tried Toyo tires, have have heard wonderful things about them from many people, including friends of mine. It's a great tire for an amazing price compared to the rest, and since you won't be going long term, aging will not be an issue. I also have heard a lot of good things about Hankook tires.
BTW, the only reason I didn't go with Toyo tires, is I got a great deal on Goodyear tires, I have had great results with them over the years, and I like how they age.

What brand tires do you have right now, and how old are they?

Safe Travels,

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean






Group: Safarifriends Message: 31230 From: John Welch Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
I don't have my Safari Trek anymore, I'm running a Newmar Dutch Star. I'm out in Bullhead City, AZ. I have all Bridgestone R250 265/75/R22.5 for all. They rode nice coming out from Illinois and they don't seem to be cracking at all from the sun. When I do have to replace them, I'm sure I will get the same. I have heard others say you should get Michelin for the front steering wheels but I doubt if it makes that much difference. I hope this helps.

John Welch
2000 Newmar Dutch Star DS DP 3851
Caterpiilar 3126 300HP 
Freightliner Chassis 

On Sep 21, 2016, at 17:04, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31231 From: TD Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
John,

The tires you have are just as good as Michelin, if not better right now. In the recent past some members and other coach owners have been having issues with Michelin tires weather checking in two or three years, Mel being one of them. He amazingly managed to pressure Michelin into warrantying the those tires. All I can say, is I would not want tires that age that quickly on my coach, especially in the front.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM, John Welch johnnyrob2@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I don't have my Safari Trek anymore, I'm running a Newmar Dutch Star. I'm out in Bullhead City, AZ. I have all Bridgestone R250 265/75/R22.5 for all. They rode nice coming out from Illinois and they don't seem to be cracking at all from the sun. When I do have to replace them, I'm sure I will get the same. I have heard others say you should get Michelin for the front steering wheels but I doubt if it makes that much difference. I hope this helps.

John Welch
2000 Newmar Dutch Star DS DP 3851
Caterpiilar 3126 300HP 
Freightliner Chassis 

On Sep 21, 2016, at 17:04, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean






Group: Safarifriends Message: 31233 From: Bridget and Gerald Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
We have always used Michelin Tires.  Never had any problems.  We time them out.

Bridget and Gerald Post
1995 Ivory, 37'


On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:47 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
John,

The tires you have are just as good as Michelin, if not better right now. In the recent past some members and other coach owners have been having issues with Michelin tires weather checking in two or three years, Mel being one of them. He amazingly managed to pressure Michelin into warrantying the those tires. All I can say, is I would not want tires that age that quickly on my coach, especially in the front.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM, John Welch johnnyrob2@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I don't have my Safari Trek anymore, I'm running a Newmar Dutch Star. I'm out in Bullhead City, AZ. I have all Bridgestone R250 265/75/R22.5 for all. They rode nice coming out from Illinois and they don't seem to be cracking at all from the sun. When I do have to replace them, I'm sure I will get the same. I have heard others say you should get Michelin for the front steering wheels but I doubt if it makes that much difference. I hope this helps.

John Welch
2000 Newmar Dutch Star DS DP 3851
Caterpiilar 3126 300HP 
Freightliner Chassis 

On Sep 21, 2016, at 17:04, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 
TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 
Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean








Group: Safarifriends Message: 31235 From: TD Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Bridget and Gerald,

Talk to Mel, his Michelin tires were toast after 3 years, and it took him about two months to warranty them. I seen the pictures of his tires and there were plenty of members on the IRV2 forums that had the same issues. Maybe they took some shortcuts in production when the oil prices were really high, who knows. I know if I spent that kind of money and my tires were toast after two or three years, I would be flipping out. I know my Goodyears lasted for 10 years w/o a single crack. The tire man was impressed how good they looked inside and out side.
Bottom line, one has to do what works for their needs.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Bridget and Gerald outpost1939@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


We have always used Michelin Tires.  Never had any problems.  We time them out.

Bridget and Gerald Post
1995 Ivory, 37'


On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 5:47 PM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


 
John,

The tires you have are just as good as Michelin, if not better right now. In the recent past some members and other coach owners have been having issues with Michelin tires weather checking in two or three years, Mel being one of them. He amazingly managed to pressure Michelin into warrantying the those tires. All I can say, is I would not want tires that age that quickly on my coach, especially in the front.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM, John Welch johnnyrob2@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I don't have my Safari Trek anymore, I'm running a Newmar Dutch Star. I'm out in Bullhead City, AZ. I have all Bridgestone R250 265/75/R22.5 for all. They rode nice coming out from Illinois and they don't seem to be cracking at all from the sun. When I do have to replace them, I'm sure I will get the same. I have heard others say you should get Michelin for the front steering wheels but I doubt if it makes that much difference. I hope this helps.

John Welch
2000 Newmar Dutch Star DS DP 3851
Caterpiilar 3126 300HP 
Freightliner Chassis 

On Sep 21, 2016, at 17:04, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

 
TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 
Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean











Group: Safarifriends Message: 31236 From: Dean Dugger Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
I have always run Bridgestone, and have had good luck with them. The worst thing with them, is they all weather check so bad that you can't wear them out, I have always kept them covered. I still have a lot of tread, its the weather checks near the rim, I'm scared of the side walls. This is a waist and makes the cost go up. Toyo says there tire is treated to with stand the sun rays better. I think I will try the toyo and see?


From: "Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:04:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31237 From: TD Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Dean,

From what you are describing, you need to change those tires asap!
Most of us, if not all of us, don't put enough miles to ever wear a tire out, they age out. The best bang for the buck is the tire that lasts the longest and is trouble free.

In your situation, I am confident that you will be happy with a Toyo tire, and they should last plenty long for your needs. Plus the price is right! A win win.  ;)

How old are your tires now, and how old were they when they first started showing signs of cracking/ weather checking???

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have always run Bridgestone, and have had good luck with them. The worst thing with them, is they all weather check so bad that you can't wear them out, I have always kept them covered. I still have a lot of tread, its the weather checks near the rim, I'm scared of the side walls. This is a waist and makes the cost go up. Toyo says there tire is treated to with stand the sun rays better. I think I will try the toyo and see?


From: "Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:04:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean






Group: Safarifriends Message: 31238 From: barry Date: 9/21/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Toyo tires that were on mine lasted really well.  Availabilty was only reason i didnt go back with them



Barry Whitaker
Dedicated Services
252-762-8193
www.dedserv.com
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

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From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 9/21/16 7:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

Even though I have never tried Toyo tires, have have heard wonderful things about them from many people, including friends of mine. It's a great tire for an amazing price compared to the rest, and since you won't be going long term, aging will not be an issue. I also have heard a lot of good things about Hankook tires.
BTW, the only reason I didn't go with Toyo tires, is I got a great deal on Goodyear tires, I have had great results with them over the years, and I like how they age.

What brand tires do you have right now, and how old are they?

Safe Travels,

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean







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Group: Safarifriends Message: 31239 From: RP Sunrise Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:

I hope I can add something here from experience.


In April we were on our annual trip to Myrtle Beach going about 65 on I-95, Beautiful day, light traffic, wife and dogs sleeping (can't get any better) when all of a sudden an explosion from the rear sent the sleeping loved ones clinging to the ceiling. I had a good idea looking in my rearview mirror seeing the big puff of smoke, black rubber, styrofoam and the tractor trailer dodging my debris that I had blown a tire.


It was my inner rear Firestone that I bought new 5 years ago and was inflated to 110 psi verified with my crossfire equalization system. http://www.dualdynamics.com/products/cross-fire/  When the emergency road service guy removed the old Firestone carcass he said "No wonder, this tire is 10 years old". So the tires I bought were on the shelf for 4 years before they were installed on my RV. Not sure what that does to the life of the tire but Firestone's warrantee was left all over I-95.


I've had Toyo, Bridgestone steers, Dunlop and Firestone on my RV and I had a blowout with my Toyo steer (luckily only going 35 mph) and this summer with the Firestone on the rear, none were a picnic in the park. I was happy with the Bridgestones but they were 7 years old and doing my research they say no matter how good they look, replace them every 6 years and having experienced 2 blowouts, I don't want to risk the dog's life with an old tire.


I chose Michelin XZE's 250 R70 22.5 http://www.michelintruck.com/tires-and-retreads/selector/#!/info/xze  for the price and reputation but I think any manufacture would be good. The Michelins do not have a steer tire in my size but the XZE is an all round tire so I got all 6, front and rear, front balanced. Got mine from Service Tire Truck Center (STTC) and they were great and the best price.


Bottom line, make sure you ask the tech to show you the tire manufacture date on all the tires.


PS: The tire tech's really don't like the crossfire equalization system or any other.


PPS: The Styrofoam I saw in my rearview window was the 2" floor insulation. When the tire blew it ripped a 4" by 8 inch hole in the 1/2 inch plywood sub-floor, thru the insulation and cracked the inside 3/4" floor. Luckily it's under/above the tub so you can't see it. Also ripped off my mud flap which is still in Virginia somewhere. 


Good Luck

Bob

99 Zanzibar





From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:04 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31240 From: TD Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Bob,

What kind of damage did the front blowout do???
How old was the Toyo when it blew out?

Were all six Firestone tires ten years old?
It is very possible that the tire shop that put on your Firestone tires on, or the warehouse, had one old one laying around and they dumped it off on you. So, you might have had five fresh tires and one five year old ticking bomb.

On my last coach I had, the inner left rear blew out. You could actually feel it lift the coach a bit when it blew. I can't imagine a frontal blowout, and hope I never do.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:16 AM, RP Sunrise rpsunrise@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I hope I can add something here from experience.


In April we were on our annual trip to Myrtle Beach going about 65 on I-95, Beautiful day, light traffic, wife and dogs sleeping (can't get any better) when all of a sudden an explosion from the rear sent the sleeping loved ones clinging to the ceiling. I had a good idea looking in my rearview mirror seeing the big puff of smoke, black rubber, styrofoam and the tractor trailer dodging my debris that I had blown a tire.


It was my inner rear Firestone that I bought new 5 years ago and was inflated to 110 psi verified with my crossfire equalization system. http://www.dualdynamics.com/ products/cross-fire/  When the emergency road service guy removed the old Firestone carcass he said "No wonder, this tire is 10 years old". So the tires I bought were on the shelf for 4 years before they were installed on my RV. Not sure what that does to the life of the tire but Firestone's warrantee was left all over I-95.


I've had Toyo, Bridgestone steers, Dunlop and Firestone on my RV and I had a blowout with my Toyo steer (luckily only going 35 mph) and this summer with the Firestone on the rear, none were a picnic in the park. I was happy with the Bridgestones but they were 7 years old and doing my research they say no matter how good they look, replace them every 6 years and having experienced 2 blowouts, I don't want to risk the dog's life with an old tire.


I chose Michelin XZE's 250 R70 22.5 http://www.michelintruck. com/tires-and-retreads/ selector/#!/info/xze  for the price and reputation but I think any manufacture would be good. The Michelins do not have a steer tire in my size but the XZE is an all round tire so I got all 6, front and rear, front balanced. Got mine from Service Tire Truck Center (STTC) and they were great and the best price.


Bottom line, make sure you ask the tech to show you the tire manufacture date on all the tires.


PS: The tire tech's really don't like the crossfire equalization system or any other.


PPS: The Styrofoam I saw in my rearview window was the 2" floor insulation. When the tire blew it ripped a 4" by 8 inch hole in the 1/2 inch plywood sub-floor, thru the insulation and cracked the inside 3/4" floor. Luckily it's under/above the tub so you can't see it. Also ripped off my mud flap which is still in Virginia somewhere. 


Good Luck

Bob

99 Zanzibar





From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:04 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean






Group: Safarifriends Message: 31242 From: deanshaw999 Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Dean,
To add to all the good comments, I have been running Toyo's since 1999 and I have replaced them at 8 years and even then they did not have any weather checking and I live in Florida.  I do keep them covered when not traveling and also drive the RV at least once a month.  One other thing to consider.  My dealer last time asked me if I wanted to sell my old ones and I said yes.  He gave me the name of a customer that pulled a trailer and he bought the old ones for $150 apiece.  The had lots of tread on them.
Dean S
1999 Safari Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31243 From: mel96safari Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Bridget and Gerald
Either you are lucky or I am unlucky.

In August of 2011 I had
6 Michelin 9R22.5 XZE tires put in my coach.

In 2014, (when those tires were ONLY 42 months old
per the DOT "manufactured on date stamp"),  an inspection by my Michelin dealer discovered that ALL 6 of those tires had SIDEWALL CRACKED badly enough that both the dealer and Michelin Customer Care declared all of them UNSAFE TO USE.

Needless to say I will never buy another Michelin tire.

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <outpost1939@...> wrote :

We have always used Michelin Tires.  Never had any problems.  We time them out.

Bridget and Gerald Post
1995 Ivory, 37'



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31244 From: RP Sunrise Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:

Hello John:


I'm guessing that any RV'er from pop-up to class A has a story to tell and my wife and I have had our quota. I also think that whatever it was to cause the incident and we're back on the road again, sitting in the drivers seat, looking back at just what could have happened, we get the feeling that we were blessed in so many ways. 


So is the case with our first blow out in Louisiana. I'll blame it on my wife (or thank her) but we missed our turnoff and had to take some back roads to get back onto I-49. We were on a small 2 lane road doing 25 to 35 mph when it happened, front left steer tire blew. It pulled sharply to the left and into the left lane about 4 feet and again, blessed no one was coming. Not sure what they were growing in the fields on both sides, Tabaco I think but for the next 2 hours we sat there with only 2 pickup trucks and 6 tractors passing us. This was a Sunday morning so the tow truck driver brought us to the Tiger Truck Stop http://www.tigertruckstop.com/ where we waited until Monday to find a dealer and bought 2 Bridgestone's steers.


The Toyo tires were on it when we bought the RV in 2005, I'm guessing were original so 6 years old. The blowout was on the sidewall, about a 2" square and I nor the tire guy could explain it. I have a picture but would take a while to find it. I don't really think it was the fault of the tire but perhaps it hit a deep pothole or something that caused the sidewall belts to be compromised?


The Firestones were only put on the rear (another nightmare story about being towed when we lost our driveshaft) in Arizona and they were all outdated (I was younger then and today I'm still learning what I don't know) (had the new Bridgestone's on the front) It was an expensive trip.


Not much advice here but check you pressure daily and avoid potholes. I think any of the name brand tires will serve well.


Bob

99 Zanzibar






From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:42 AM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

Bob,

What kind of damage did the front blowout do???
How old was the Toyo when it blew out?

Were all six Firestone tires ten years old?
It is very possible that the tire shop that put on your Firestone tires on, or the warehouse, had one old one laying around and they dumped it off on you. So, you might have had five fresh tires and one five year old ticking bomb.

On my last coach I had, the inner left rear blew out. You could actually feel it lift the coach a bit when it blew. I can't imagine a frontal blowout, and hope I never do.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:16 AM, RP Sunrise rpsunrise@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I hope I can add something here from experience.


In April we were on our annual trip to Myrtle Beach going about 65 on I-95, Beautiful day, light traffic, wife and dogs sleeping (can't get any better) when all of a sudden an explosion from the rear sent the sleeping loved ones clinging to the ceiling. I had a good idea looking in my rearview mirror seeing the big puff of smoke, black rubber, styrofoam and the tractor trailer dodging my debris that I had blown a tire.


It was my inner rear Firestone that I bought new 5 years ago and was inflated to 110 psi verified with my crossfire equalization system. http://www.dualdynamics.com/ products/cross-fire/  When the emergency road service guy removed the old Firestone carcass he said "No wonder, this tire is 10 years old". So the tires I bought were on the shelf for 4 years before they were installed on my RV. Not sure what that does to the life of the tire but Firestone's warrantee was left all over I-95.


I've had Toyo, Bridgestone steers, Dunlop and Firestone on my RV and I had a blowout with my Toyo steer (luckily only going 35 mph) and this summer with the Firestone on the rear, none were a picnic in the park. I was happy with the Bridgestones but they were 7 years old and doing my research they say no matter how good they look, replace them every 6 years and having experienced 2 blowouts, I don't want to risk the dog's life with an old tire.


I chose Michelin XZE's 250 R70 22.5 http://www.michelintruck. com/tires-and-retreads/ selector/#!/info/xze  for the price and reputation but I think any manufacture would be good. The Michelins do not have a steer tire in my size but the XZE is an all round tire so I got all 6, front and rear, front balanced. Got mine from Service Tire Truck Center (STTC) and they were great and the best price.


Bottom line, make sure you ask the tech to show you the tire manufacture date on all the tires.


PS: The tire tech's really don't like the crossfire equalization system or any other.


PPS: The Styrofoam I saw in my rearview window was the 2" floor insulation. When the tire blew it ripped a 4" by 8 inch hole in the 1/2 inch plywood sub-floor, thru the insulation and cracked the inside 3/4" floor. Luckily it's under/above the tub so you can't see it. Also ripped off my mud flap which is still in Virginia somewhere. 


Good Luck

Bob

99 Zanzibar





From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:04 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean






Group: Safarifriends Message: 31245 From: TD Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Bob,

Thank you for sharing your story. We sure are blessed indeed, but half the battle is to realize how truly blessed we all are.
The Toyo failure sure is an odd one, and you are the 2nd Safari owner that I know of, who lost his drive shaft. I wonder if the angle was set wrong on some of them. Incidentally, both are Zanzibars, my friends is an '01, so I wonder if it is a Zanzibar issue, the way they were put together...

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, RP Sunrise rpsunrise@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hello John:


I'm guessing that any RV'er from pop-up to class A has a story to tell and my wife and I have had our quota. I also think that whatever it was to cause the incident and we're back on the road again, sitting in the drivers seat, looking back at just what could have happened, we get the feeling that we were blessed in so many ways. 


So is the case with our first blow out in Louisiana. I'll blame it on my wife (or thank her) but we missed our turnoff and had to take some back roads to get back onto I-49. We were on a small 2 lane road doing 25 to 35 mph when it happened, front left steer tire blew. It pulled sharply to the left and into the left lane about 4 feet and again, blessed no one was coming. Not sure what they were growing in the fields on both sides, Tabaco I think but for the next 2 hours we sat there with only 2 pickup trucks and 6 tractors passing us. This was a Sunday morning so the tow truck driver brought us to the Tiger Truck Stop http://www.tigertruckstop.com/  where we waited until Monday to find a dealer and bought 2 Bridgestone's steers.


The Toyo tires were on it when we bought the RV in 2005, I'm guessing were original so 6 years old. The blowout was on the sidewall, about a 2" square and I nor the tire guy could explain it. I have a picture but would take a while to find it. I don't really think it was the fault of the tire but perhaps it hit a deep pothole or something that caused the sidewall belts to be compromised?


The Firestones were only put on the rear (another nightmare story about being towed when we lost our driveshaft) in Arizona and they were all outdated (I was younger then and today I'm still learning what I don't know) (had the new Bridgestone's on the front) It was an expensive trip.


Not much advice here but check you pressure daily and avoid potholes. I think any of the name brand tires will serve well.


Bob

99 Zanzibar






From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:42 AM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

Bob,

What kind of damage did the front blowout do???
How old was the Toyo when it blew out?

Were all six Firestone tires ten years old?
It is very possible that the tire shop that put on your Firestone tires on, or the warehouse, had one old one laying around and they dumped it off on you. So, you might have had five fresh tires and one five year old ticking bomb.

On my last coach I had, the inner left rear blew out. You could actually feel it lift the coach a bit when it blew. I can't imagine a frontal blowout, and hope I never do.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:16 AM, RP Sunrise rpsunrise@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I hope I can add something here from experience.


In April we were on our annual trip to Myrtle Beach going about 65 on I-95, Beautiful day, light traffic, wife and dogs sleeping (can't get any better) when all of a sudden an explosion from the rear sent the sleeping loved ones clinging to the ceiling. I had a good idea looking in my rearview mirror seeing the big puff of smoke, black rubber, styrofoam and the tractor trailer dodging my debris that I had blown a tire.


It was my inner rear Firestone that I bought new 5 years ago and was inflated to 110 psi verified with my crossfire equalization system. http://www.dualdynamics.com/pr oducts/cross-fire/  When the emergency road service guy removed the old Firestone carcass he said "No wonder, this tire is 10 years old". So the tires I bought were on the shelf for 4 years before they were installed on my RV. Not sure what that does to the life of the tire but Firestone's warrantee was left all over I-95.


I've had Toyo, Bridgestone steers, Dunlop and Firestone on my RV and I had a blowout with my Toyo steer (luckily only going 35 mph) and this summer with the Firestone on the rear, none were a picnic in the park. I was happy with the Bridgestones but they were 7 years old and doing my research they say no matter how good they look, replace them every 6 years and having experienced 2 blowouts, I don't want to risk the dog's life with an old tire.


I chose Michelin XZE's 250 R70 22.5 http://www.michelintruck. com/tires-and-retreads/selecto r/#!/info/xze  for the price and reputation but I think any manufacture would be good. The Michelins do not have a steer tire in my size but the XZE is an all round tire so I got all 6, front and rear, front balanced. Got mine from Service Tire Truck Center (STTC) and they were great and the best price.


Bottom line, make sure you ask the tech to show you the tire manufacture date on all the tires.


PS: The tire tech's really don't like the crossfire equalization system or any other.


PPS: The Styrofoam I saw in my rearview window was the 2" floor insulation. When the tire blew it ripped a 4" by 8 inch hole in the 1/2 inch plywood sub-floor, thru the insulation and cracked the inside 3/4" floor. Luckily it's under/above the tub so you can't see it. Also ripped off my mud flap which is still in Virginia somewhere. 


Good Luck

Bob

99 Zanzibar





From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:04 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean









Group: Safarifriends Message: 31246 From: Dean Dugger Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
John, they are Bridgestone and  noticed them cracking last year. I'm going to put on the toyo and give them a try, tires are so costly  I feel like I need to get all the bang I can for the buck. Maybe these will weather better, at the price we need to get more out of them.  I want to Thank everyone for the come back, sure helped.


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

From what you are describing, you need to change those tires asap!
Most of us, if not all of us, don't put enough miles to ever wear a tire out, they age out. The best bang for the buck is the tire that lasts the longest and is trouble free.

In your situation, I am confident that you will be happy with a Toyo tire, and they should last plenty long for your needs. Plus the price is right! A win win.  ;)

How old are your tires now, and how old were they when they first started showing signs of cracking/ weather checking???

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have always run Bridgestone, and have had good luck with them. The worst thing with them, is they all weather check so bad that you can't wear them out, I have always kept them covered. I still have a lot of tread, its the weather checks near the rim, I'm scared of the side walls. This is a waist and makes the cost go up. Toyo says there tire is treated to with stand the sun rays better. I think I will try the toyo and see?


From: "Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:04:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean






Group: Safarifriends Message: 31247 From: TD Date: 9/22/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Dean,

How old are those Bridgestone tires? This information is helpfull, it gives me an idea how well various brand tires age.

Thanks,

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John, they are Bridgestone and  noticed them cracking last year. I'm going to put on the toyo and give them a try, tires are so costly  I feel like I need to get all the bang I can for the buck. Maybe these will weather better, at the price we need to get more out of them.  I want to Thank everyone for the come back, sure helped.


From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

From what you are describing, you need to change those tires asap!
Most of us, if not all of us, don't put enough miles to ever wear a tire out, they age out. The best bang for the buck is the tire that lasts the longest and is trouble free.

In your situation, I am confident that you will be happy with a Toyo tire, and they should last plenty long for your needs. Plus the price is right! A win win.  ;)

How old are your tires now, and how old were they when they first started showing signs of cracking/ weather checking???

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have always run Bridgestone, and have had good luck with them. The worst thing with them, is they all weather check so bad that you can't wear them out, I have always kept them covered. I still have a lot of tread, its the weather checks near the rim, I'm scared of the side walls. This is a waist and makes the cost go up. Toyo says there tire is treated to with stand the sun rays better. I think I will try the toyo and see?


From: "Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:04:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean









Group: Safarifriends Message: 31248 From: RP Sunrise Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:

Hello John:


I think you are spot on with the driveshaft angle causing premature U-joint failure. When we got to Vegas I did my research, found a big flat parking lot and adjusted my airbag ride height, that was off. When we got home I did some real digging into driveshaft angles and since the axle differential is not adjustable the only way to get the driveshaft within a tolerable angle is to 1) adjust your airbag ride height which I already did or 2) adjust the power plant (Cat/Allison) angle. You want your output angle (Allison transmission) and your input angle (differential pinion) to be the same even though they are offset and the driveshaft u-joints operating angle between the two no more than 3 or 4 deg. (or something close to that, can't remember).


Image result for driveshaft angleshttps://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.4xshaft.com%2Fimages%2F2joint_angle.gif&t=1571339235&sig=XTm2TN6I1DoaYM3dnEn2Lw--~E


Spent many an hour under the beast, bought an expensive digital protractor good to the 100th of a deg. and my only solution to get the Allison output parallel with the differential pinion was to raise the Cat (no motor mounts on the Allison). There are 3 motor mounts on the Cat, front by the radiator and 2/3 back that mount to the frame. What I did was to add a 1/2" chunk of steel between the frame and motor mount and that brought my U-joint angle to 3 deg.


I could put the blame but can't prove it on the towing company that towed the RV with only one active rear airbag and driving over RR tracks at 75 mph and at 2 in the morning, sparks flying all over wife and I in our towed.


Another key to this is to lube your U-joints every year and make sure you pump it up until you see your bearing grease coming out all 4 U-joint seals, something else I learned. It pumps out any contaminants and water that may have found it's way in the joint.


Bottom line..............Yes, it could very well be a Zanzibar design issue.


Bob 





From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:56 PM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

Bob,

Thank you for sharing your story. We sure are blessed indeed, but half the battle is to realize how truly blessed we all are.
The Toyo failure sure is an odd one, and you are the 2nd Safari owner that I know of, who lost his drive shaft. I wonder if the angle was set wrong on some of them. Incidentally, both are Zanzibars, my friends is an '01, so I wonder if it is a Zanzibar issue, the way they were put together...

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, RP Sunrise rpsunrise@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hello John:


I'm guessing that any RV'er from pop-up to class A has a story to tell and my wife and I have had our quota. I also think that whatever it was to cause the incident and we're back on the road again, sitting in the drivers seat, looking back at just what could have happened, we get the feeling that we were blessed in so many ways. 


So is the case with our first blow out in Louisiana. I'll blame it on my wife (or thank her) but we missed our turnoff and had to take some back roads to get back onto I-49. We were on a small 2 lane road doing 25 to 35 mph when it happened, front left steer tire blew. It pulled sharply to the left and into the left lane about 4 feet and again, blessed no one was coming. Not sure what they were growing in the fields on both sides, Tabaco I think but for the next 2 hours we sat there with only 2 pickup trucks and 6 tractors passing us. This was a Sunday morning so the tow truck driver brought us to the Tiger Truck Stop http://www.tigertruckstop.com/  where we waited until Monday to find a dealer and bought 2 Bridgestone's steers.


The Toyo tires were on it when we bought the RV in 2005, I'm guessing were original so 6 years old. The blowout was on the sidewall, about a 2" square and I nor the tire guy could explain it. I have a picture but would take a while to find it. I don't really think it was the fault of the tire but perhaps it hit a deep pothole or something that caused the sidewall belts to be compromised?


The Firestones were only put on the rear (another nightmare story about being towed when we lost our driveshaft) in Arizona and they were all outdated (I was younger then and today I'm still learning what I don't know) (had the new Bridgestone's on the front) It was an expensive trip.


Not much advice here but check you pressure daily and avoid potholes. I think any of the name brand tires will serve well.


Bob

99 Zanzibar






From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:42 AM
To: Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y.
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

Bob,

What kind of damage did the front blowout do???
How old was the Toyo when it blew out?

Were all six Firestone tires ten years old?
It is very possible that the tire shop that put on your Firestone tires on, or the warehouse, had one old one laying around and they dumped it off on you. So, you might have had five fresh tires and one five year old ticking bomb.

On my last coach I had, the inner left rear blew out. You could actually feel it lift the coach a bit when it blew. I can't imagine a frontal blowout, and hope I never do.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 5:16 AM, RP Sunrise rpsunrise@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I hope I can add something here from experience.


In April we were on our annual trip to Myrtle Beach going about 65 on I-95, Beautiful day, light traffic, wife and dogs sleeping (can't get any better) when all of a sudden an explosion from the rear sent the sleeping loved ones clinging to the ceiling. I had a good idea looking in my rearview mirror seeing the big puff of smoke, black rubber, styrofoam and the tractor trailer dodging my debris that I had blown a tire.


It was my inner rear Firestone that I bought new 5 years ago and was inflated to 110 psi verified with my crossfire equalization system. http://www.dualdynamics.com/pr oducts/cross-fire/  When the emergency road service guy removed the old Firestone carcass he said "No wonder, this tire is 10 years old". So the tires I bought were on the shelf for 4 years before they were installed on my RV. Not sure what that does to the life of the tire but Firestone's warrantee was left all over I-95.


I've had Toyo, Bridgestone steers, Dunlop and Firestone on my RV and I had a blowout with my Toyo steer (luckily only going 35 mph) and this summer with the Firestone on the rear, none were a picnic in the park. I was happy with the Bridgestones but they were 7 years old and doing my research they say no matter how good they look, replace them every 6 years and having experienced 2 blowouts, I don't want to risk the dog's life with an old tire.


I chose Michelin XZE's 250 R70 22.5 http://www.michelintruck. com/tires-and-retreads/selecto r/#!/info/xze  for the price and reputation but I think any manufacture would be good. The Michelins do not have a steer tire in my size but the XZE is an all round tire so I got all 6, front and rear, front balanced. Got mine from Service Tire Truck Center (STTC) and they were great and the best price.


Bottom line, make sure you ask the tech to show you the tire manufacture date on all the tires.


PS: The tire tech's really don't like the crossfire equalization system or any other.


PPS: The Styrofoam I saw in my rearview window was the 2" floor insulation. When the tire blew it ripped a 4" by 8 inch hole in the 1/2 inch plywood sub-floor, thru the insulation and cracked the inside 3/4" floor. Luckily it's under/above the tub so you can't see it. Also ripped off my mud flap which is still in Virginia somewhere. 


Good Luck

Bob

99 Zanzibar





From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:04 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

TD, Thanks for the come back. Now I ,m torn between the decision of which tire to buy. I have a price on three different tires, Toyo, Michelin or Bridgestone, size 265/75R22.5, this being a better riding and wider tire I'm considering toyo, & they say it holds up better in the sun. Michelin ,$1337. for two, Bridgestone $1138. for two, Toyo $852 for two, these are just out the door ,unbalanced & not mounted at this price? We make a trip to Quartzsite & back about 2000 miles and I am 80yrs. old not to many more trips left, should be able to get a few more trips before I hang it up, what do you think, Dean

From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:

 

Dean,

If you want to stay with the same diameter tire then go with 265/75R22.5 it is a bit wider and can carry a lot more weight, but the diameter is the same and won't affect your speedometer and height. Some go with the lower profile tire 255/70R22.5, but it will ride harsher and is a shorter diameter, which will affect the above mentioned items.

BTW, I have the same year and model coach as you, and experienced both of the mentioned size, and my personal and practical preference is the 265/75R22.5. It rides a lot smoother and the speedometer stays dead on accurate.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Dean Dugger dddugger9@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


I have a 95 Ivory ed, 37' need a set of steering tires 9R22.5 , What is everyone using these days? Dean









Group: Safarifriends Message: 31249 From: RP Sunrise Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:

Out of curiosity because I just bought 6 XZE's before I saw this so I called Michelin and asked about the XZE 9R's. Apparently they are no longer selling them most likely due to tire failures like what happened to you. Some engineer or chemist had a good idea that wasn't so good.


Bob

99 Zanzibar




From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 12:41 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering tires:
 
 

Bridget and Gerald
Either you are lucky or I am unlucky.

In August of 2011 I had
6 Michelin 9R22.5 XZE tires put in my coach.

In 2014, (when those tires were ONLY 42 months old
per the DOT "manufactured on date stamp"),  an inspection by my Michelin dealer discovered that ALL 6 of those tires had SIDEWALL CRACKED badly enough that both the dealer and Michelin Customer Care declared all of them UNSAFE TO USE.

Needless to say I will never buy another Michelin tire.

Mel
'96 Sahara



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <outpost1939@...> wrote :

We have always used Michelin Tires.  Never had any problems.  We time them out.

Bridget and Gerald Post
1995 Ivory, 37'



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31250 From: mel96safari Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Bob
While I am happy to hear that...it does not restore my faith in Michelin tires.
.
I know that many coach owners are satisfied with the quality of Michelin tires.
However I'm sure they would a have a different opinion if all 6 of the Michelin tires, (for which they had paid $2310.52), HAD TO BE REPLACED IN ONLY 3-1/2 YEARS BECAUSE OF SIDEWALL CRACKS..

Once bitten, twice shy, (aka:
"A fool and his money are soon parted").

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <rpsunrise@...> wrote :

Out of curiosity because I just bought 6 XZE's before I saw this so I called Michelin and asked about the XZE 9R's. Apparently they are no longer selling them most likely due to tire failures like what happened to you. Some engineer or chemist had a good idea that wasn't so good.


Bob

99 Zanzibar




Group: Safarifriends Message: 31251 From: Keith Bowers Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
A few years ago, South Korea began selling tires in the U.S. at much lower prices than established brands, and their quality quickly reached very high levels. All tires sold in the U.S. (are 'supposed to) meet the minimum performance standards established by the DOT for their service class. This includes load capacity at maximum legal speeds and high ambient temperatures, braking performance in wet and dry, hot and cold road conditions, etc..
Then China began undercutting Korea's prices .but with illegal low quality junk.  Now, who makes the tires and where????

TIRE RACK is an excellent, objective marketing company that does their own real-world performance testing of most all Passenger and Light Truck tires as well as providing extensive user feedback on all tire brands and models  they sell. I am not aware of a similar source for Truck Tires unfortunately.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:01 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Bob
While I am happy to hear that...it does not restore my faith in Michelin tires.
.
I know that many coach owners are satisfied with the quality of Michelin tires.
However I'm sure they would a have a different opinion if all 6 of the Michelin tires, (for which they had paid $2310.52), HAD TO BE REPLACED IN ONLY 3-1/2 YEARS BECAUSE OF SIDEWALL CRACKS..

Once bitten, twice shy, (aka:
"A fool and his money are soon parted").

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <rpsunrise@...> wrote :

Out of curiosity because I just bought 6 XZE's before I saw this so I called Michelin and asked about the XZE 9R's. Apparently they are no longer selling them most likely due to tire failures like what happened to you. Some engineer or chemist had a good idea that wasn't so good.


Bob

99 Zanzibar







--
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.
 
-Winston Churchill-
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31252 From: TD Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
Keith,

I don't know when exactly it became law, but all tires must have country of origin, as in where they were made, stamped on the tire. Usually it it in small letters, so you have to look hard, but its there...

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Keith Bowers kebowers47@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


A few years ago, South Korea began selling tires in the U.S. at much lower prices than established brands, and their quality quickly reached very high levels. All tires sold in the U.S. (are 'supposed to) meet the minimum performance standards established by the DOT for their service class. This includes load capacity at maximum legal speeds and high ambient temperatures, braking performance in wet and dry, hot and cold road conditions, etc..
Then China began undercutting Korea's prices .but with illegal low quality junk.  Now, who makes the tires and where????

TIRE RACK is an excellent, objective marketing company that does their own real-world performance testing of most all Passenger and Light Truck tires as well as providing extensive user feedback on all tire brands and models  they sell. I am not aware of a similar source for Truck Tires unfortunately.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:01 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
 

Bob
While I am happy to hear that...it does not restore my faith in Michelin tires.
.
I know that many coach owners are satisfied with the quality of Michelin tires.
However I'm sure they would a have a different opinion if all 6 of the Michelin tires, (for which they had paid $2310.52), HAD TO BE REPLACED IN ONLY 3-1/2 YEARS BECAUSE OF SIDEWALL CRACKS..

Once bitten, twice shy, (aka:
"A fool and his money are soon parted").

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <rpsunrise@...> wrote :

Out of curiosity because I just bought 6 XZE's before I saw this so I called Michelin and asked about the XZE 9R's. Apparently they are no longer selling them most likely due to tire failures like what happened to you. Some engineer or chemist had a good idea that wasn't so good.


Bob

99 Zanzibar







--
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.
 
-Winston Churchill-



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31253 From: ventus2b2001 Date: 9/23/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
I had a very good experience with Michelin when I had side wall cracks a few years back. I think my tires were just over the 5 year warranty limit and they took care of me. I probably had about 50K miles on the tires. I went to an authorizes dealer they confirmed the cracks. Michelin gave me over $1000 in credit for new Michelin tires.
 
In a message dated 9/23/2016 11:36:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

A few years ago, South Korea began selling tires in the U.S. at much lower prices than established brands, and their quality quickly reached very high levels. All tires sold in the U.S. (are 'supposed to) meet the minimum performance standards established by the DOT for their service class. This includes load capacity at maximum legal speeds and high ambient temperatures, braking performance in wet and dry, hot and cold road conditions, etc..
Then China began undercutting Korea's prices .but with illegal low quality junk.  Now, who makes the tires and where????

TIRE RACK is an excellent, objective marketing company that does their own real-world performance testing of most all Passenger and Light Truck tires as well as providing extensive user feedback on all tire brands and models  they sell. I am not aware of a similar source for Truck Tires unfortunately.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:01 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Bob
While I am happy to hear that...it does not restore my faith in Michelin tires.
.
I know that many coach owners are satisfied with the quality of Michelin tires.
However I'm sure they would a have a different opinion if all 6 of the Michelin tires, (for which they had paid $2310.52), HAD TO BE REPLACED IN ONLY 3-1/2 YEARS BECAUSE OF SIDEWALL CRACKS..

Once bitten, twice shy, (aka:
"A fool and his money are soon parted").

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <rpsunrise@...> wrote :

Out of curiosity because I just bought 6 XZE's before I saw this so I called Michelin and asked about the XZE 9R's. Apparently they are no longer selling them most likely due to tire failures like what happened to you. Some engineer or chemist had a good idea that wasn't so good.


Bob

99 Zanzibar







--
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men
stand ready in the night to visit violence on those
who would do us harm.
 
-Winston Churchill-

Group: Safarifriends Message: 31256 From: mel96safari Date: 9/24/2016
Subject: Re: Steering tires:
gliderg1

Do you actually believe that having sidewall cracked Michelin tires was a "very good
experience"?.
When my 6 Michelin tires developed sidewall cracks at 3-1/2 years it was a "disappointment", (aka: a PITA I don't ever want again).
Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <gliderg1@...> wrote :

I had a very good experience with Michelin when I had side wall cracks a few years back. I think my tires were just over the 5 year warranty limit and they took care of me. I probably had about 50K miles on the tires. I went to an authorizes dealer they confirmed the cracks. Michelin gave me over $1000 in credit for new Michelin tires.
 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 31744 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: VevetRide steering/shocks
John,
I'm the owner of a 1998 Safari Serengeti 40' Cat engine with Allison transmission. I have own several motorhome including a 38' diesel pusher, but this is my first experience with the torsion VevetRide suspension. While driving at normal freeway road speed I'm able to control the coach; however, I do have to stay very alert and it same like I'm continually trekking the steering wheel a little bit to keep it between the lines. After purchasing the coach and driving it a couple of thousand miles, I have the alignment checked at what I believe was a reputable shop (although they had never seen the VevetRide system prior to mine). I interested in getting your advise and thoughts about the VevetRide system and how to make it drive and steer more friendly. I've read some of your post where you have recommended replacing the shocks with the correct Koni shocks. Do you know what Koni part number would be best for my coach? Do you have any additional recommendations for helping it trek straight without having to be constantly trekking the steering wheel?
Robert
1998 Safari Serengeti 40'
Cat/Allison/VevetRide

Sent from my iPhone
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31746 From: TD Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Robert,

Does the coach porpoise or bounce a lot, especially going over bridges or large dips in the road? If not, your shocks might be ok. If the shocks are red and or say Koni and look fairly new, chances are that they are ok. If you do have the Koni shocks on already and they are so so, then make sure they are adjusted to the maximum dampening level (they are adjustable) before you go replacing them.

Here are the Koni part numbers just in case:
Front: 88-1641SP3

Rear:88-1458SP2

LTB Auto Sports usaully has the lowest price and free shipping, but make sure you order by part number above, not by make of coach.

http://www.ltbautosports.com/ koni-rv-/b-14679.aspx

As for the handling issues, if you have not done so already, have your coach weighed when its fully loaded for travel, including full tanks, and then have the tire pressure adjusted according to the tire manufacturers tire inflation chart. This is very important, if the tires are over or under inflated, the coach will feel squirmy and the tail will wag the dog.
What brand and size tires are you running, and what pressures?

The other very important thing is to check ride height. The coach needs to be fully loaded and on level ground. Measure from the bottom of the belt line to the center of the wheel at all four conrners. It should be 25 inches give or take a quarter inch. Do a search on this group for ride height for more detailed information.

If your coach doesn't have these items already, you can install the Tiger Traks bars from PMW (Pioneer Metal Works).
http://pioneermetalworks.com/?page_id=32

 The founder of this company (Ralph Andrews RIP) did tons of research and testing on the Safari Torsional Suspensions. He developed the Tiger Traks and the Radius Rods and also found the best shocks that works for our application. Also a product like Safe-T-Steer will help too, but start with the basics so you don't mask potential problems/issues with these upgrades.

If you can't do the work yourself, and you live in the northwest, Henderson Line Up is a great place to improve your ride.
http://www.hendersonslineup.com/

Again, start with tire pressure and ride height and keep us posted on how you are making out.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Robert Todd rob7272000@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John,
I'm the owner of a 1998 Safari Serengeti 40' Cat engine with Allison transmission. I have own several motorhome including a 38' diesel pusher, but this is my first experience with the torsion VevetRide suspension. While driving at normal freeway road speed I'm able to control the coach; however, I do have to stay very alert and it same like I'm continually trekking the steering wheel a little bit to keep it between the lines. After purchasing the coach and driving it a couple of thousand miles, I have the alignment checked at what I believe was a reputable shop (although they had never seen the VevetRide system prior to mine). I interested in getting your advise and thoughts about the VevetRide system and how to make it drive and steer more friendly. I've read some of your post where you have recommended replacing the shocks with the correct Koni shocks. Do you know what Koni part number would be best for my coach? Do you have any additional recommendations for helping it trek straight without having to be constantly trekking the steering wheel?
Robert
1998 Safari Serengeti 40'
Cat/Allison/VevetRide

Sent from my iPhone



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31747 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/5/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
John,
Thank you for your thoughts! I live near the DFW area where it's been raining and it's a little chilly too. So I'll respond at a later time after I've research the items you've suggested. I'm fairly mechanically inclined, but I've been having some issues with my health so it may take a while to reply. Thanks again for your help.
Robert
1998 Safari Serengeti 40'
Cat/Allison/VevetRide

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2016, at 10:26 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Robert,

Does the coach porpoise or bounce a lot, especially going over bridges or large dips in the road? If not, your shocks might be ok. If the shocks are red and or say Koni and look fairly new, chances are that they are ok. If you do have the Koni shocks on already and they are so so, then make sure they are adjusted to the maximum dampening level (they are adjustable) before you go replacing them.

Here are the Koni part numbers just in case:
Front: 88-1641SP3

Rear:88-1458SP2

LTB Auto Sports usaully has the lowest price and free shipping, but make sure you order by part number above, not by make of coach.

http://www.ltbautosports.com/ koni-rv-/b-14679.aspx

As for the handling issues, if you have not done so already, have your coach weighed when its fully loaded for travel, including full tanks, and then have the tire pressure adjusted according to the tire manufacturers tire inflation chart. This is very important, if the tires are over or under inflated, the coach will feel squirmy and the tail will wag the dog.
What brand and size tires are you running, and what pressures?

The other very important thing is to check ride height. The coach needs to be fully loaded and on level ground. Measure from the bottom of the belt line to the center of the wheel at all four conrners. It should be 25 inches give or take a quarter inch. Do a search on this group for ride height for more detailed information.

If your coach doesn't have these items already, you can install the Tiger Traks bars from PMW (Pioneer Metal Works).
http://pioneermetalworks.com/?page_id=32

 The founder of this company (Ralph Andrews RIP) did tons of research and testing on the Safari Torsional Suspensions. He developed the Tiger Traks and the Radius Rods and also found the best shocks that works for our application. Also a product like Safe-T-Steer will help too, but start with the basics so you don't mask potential problems/issues with these upgrades.

If you can't do the work yourself, and you live in the northwest, Henderson Line Up is a great place to improve your ride.
http://www.hendersonslineup.com/

Again, start with tire pressure and ride height and keep us posted on how you are making out.


John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.



On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Robert Todd rob7272000@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John,
I'm the owner of a 1998 Safari Serengeti 40' Cat engine with Allison transmission. I have own several motorhome including a 38' diesel pusher, but this is my first experience with the torsion VevetRide suspension. While driving at normal freeway road speed I'm able to control the coach; however, I do have to stay very alert and it same like I'm continually trekking the steering wheel a little bit to keep it between the lines. After purchasing the coach and driving it a couple of thousand miles, I have the alignment checked at what I believe was a reputable shop (although they had never seen the VevetRide system prior to mine). I interested in getting your advise and thoughts about the VevetRide system and how to make it drive and steer more friendly. I've read some of your post where you have recommended replacing the shocks with the correct Koni shocks. Do you know what Koni part number would be best for my coach? Do you have any additional recommendations for helping it trek straight without having to be constantly trekking the steering wheel?
Robert
1998 Safari Serengeti 40'
Cat/Allison/VevetRide

Sent from my iPhone



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31748 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/6/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
With the Torsilastic Suspension (aka Velvet Ride) the first thing to check is RIDE HEIGHT. If, for example, ride height is  a couple of inches low, the suspension has little or no travel when you hit a bump and it will transmit that force directly into the coach (and of course steering).

Here is some excellent information on checking the ride height.

Please come back with two pieces of information:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Safarifriends/files/Torsilastic%20Ride%20Height/

1.  Ride height at each wheel position.
2.  Number of the 1/4" thick shims in front of and behind each wheel position


Brett
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31790 From: barryboyette Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: M 80 Steering Gear

I need to replace the M-80 Steering gear on our 96 Sahara. Does anyone have the complete part number for the box? Parts man wants the casting number but to get it the box has to come off of the MH. The seal or gasket under the shaft is pouring oil. Thanks, Barry Boyette 96 safari sahara 30 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 31791 From: Duane Buck Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Attachments :
Barry,
I looked at my data sheets (I've still got the OEM check sheets for my rig, thankfully), and they show that it's a R.H. Sheppard M-80, and the serial number starts with PAW 1, which I would assume would give some further information on it.  Looking online real quick I found S&S truck parts shows two kits - an input and shaft seal, or a master seal kit for the M-80.

The Input and Shaft seal kit is Sheppard # 5541421A, and there are two for the master seal kit - #  5541301 & #
5545201 - no idea what the difference is between them.  All these are Sheppard #'s. 

I also found this picture that shows where the numbers are at - don't know if you can get to it on the rig or not, but at least you'd know where to look now hopefully.

Hope this might be of some assistance to you.
Duane
'96 Sahara 30', Cat 3126, Allison 6spd



From: "bayoubalance@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:25 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] M 80 Steering Gear

 
I need to replace the M-80 Steering gear on our 96 Sahara. Does anyone have the complete part number for the box? Parts man wants the casting number but to get it the box has to come off of the MH. The seal or gasket under the shaft is pouring oil. Thanks, Barry Boyette 96 safari sahara 30 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 31792 From: James Exler Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear

Barry,

Attached is a repair manual for the Shepherd M series; hope this helps.

Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


On 12/12/2016 12:25 PM, bayoubalance@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 

I need to replace the M-80 Steering gear on our 96 Sahara. Does anyone have the complete part number for the box? Parts man wants the casting number but to get it the box has to come off of the MH. The seal or gasket under the shaft is pouring oil. Thanks, Barry Boyette 96 safari sahara 30 


Group: Safarifriends Message: 31793 From: ouachita1 Date: 12/12/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Barry

I replaced the steering gear in my 97 Safari Sahara, and that steering box weighed at least a ton! (LOL) But it can be done, I also ordered the seals for the redo from Sheppard parts and here is the internet site to give you and idea how it is to repair the steering gear

 

Take Care

Don

Group: Safarifriends Message: 31794 From: TD Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Barry,

I searched our group and found this info:

(copy and paste of info a fellow group member posted this summer):
These people are very good & quick.  Most times it's not just seals, the shaft is also worn & need to be built up or it will start leaking soon after if not right away.  These folks have a machine that puts the metal back to make it level.

Eric
'97 Continental

D & S Steering Service Incorporated
4129 Euphrosine St.
New Orleans LA 70125
(504) 822-7837

$350 to $450 to overhaul Shepherd steering box.  Two days.  Took longer because had to wait for them to get a machine to build up worn shaf
t.

And this is the info I posted at the same time last summer, it should point you in the right direction.

Scott,

Search this group for more info.

Here is a link of conversations on this group to help speed things up for you. It should give you some ideas and options with your dilemma. Last year a fellow safari owner had her gear box rebuilt in Ohio and was very happy with there work. If you want the name to that place, let me know and I will try to dig it up.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/Safarifriends/ conversations/topics/24065

I hope this helps...

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 2:25 PM, bayoubalance@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I need to replace the M-80 Steering gear on our 96 Sahara. Does anyone have the complete part number for the box? Parts man wants the casting number but to get it the box has to come off of the MH. The seal or gasket under the shaft is pouring oil. Thanks, Barry Boyette 96 safari sahara 30 




Group: Safarifriends Message: 31796 From: Dean Shaw Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Barry,
I didn't see your Model or year, but I had bad leak in my 1999 Sahara steering box from the driver side.  I ordered a seal kit 5543461 and they were able to replace that seal on the RV.  It took a couple of hours.  They said if it had been on the passenger side they would have had to remove it.  The kit did include all of the seals.
Dean Shaw
1999 Safari Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31797 From: trekker01@gmail.com Date: 12/13/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Read Barry's original posting in this topic.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31810 From: barryboyette Date: 12/14/2016
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Dean, I replaced seal on drivers side a couple of years ago. No big deal. This one is on the other side and it has to come off. We've been gone all week so I'm going to dig into it tomorrow. Was hoping to get another unit here before I pulled the old one. 
Barry Boyette 96 safari sahara 30 
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31836 From: glennbarney@rocketmail.com Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Hi Robert,

You aren't alone with the steering problems you are describing. I have a '97 Continental I bought 5 years ago with the same problem, and I expect there are others. I have yet to solve the problem but some of what I have found out from my experience may be of some help.

So far I've had the coach aligned (no help) had the king pins and bushings replaced (no help) ride height adjusted (no help) replaced tires (no help) weighed on all four corners and adjusted tire pressures (no help), aligned again (still no help or improvement). I did take the coach into Henderson's in Grants Pass, OR last fall. Nice folks and seem to know what they are doing, but they insist that the only way to correct the problem is adding about $6K to $7K worth of aftermarket parts. Really!? This much in aftermarket parts to correct a problem it should not have left the factory with and perhaps didn't. Yes Tiger Track bars would probably reduce some of the swaying, and perhaps Koni shock would provide a smoother ride, but these really weren't my complaints. My complaints were similar to yours. The rig just won't stay in the lane at highway speed without constant attention and steering input.

I'm thinking there must be a simpler solution, so I started reading up on what I could find out about alignment and steering.

First thing I discovered from reading is that most alignment shops cannot solve drive-ability problems. They don't have the technical experience or knowhow for this. They do not test drive vehicles either before or after performing an alignment to assess driving problems, they simply "adjust to specifications" and return the vehicle to the customer. This may or may not solve your problem, but that really isn't their concern.

Second thing I discovered is that the three basic alignment adjustments are camber, caster, and toe-in, and each has a different function and effect on steering. Toe-in is basically to compensate for the caster angle and reduce tire scrub and wear. Since caster on the Westport axles installed on our rigs isn't adjustable anyway, toe-in gets set between 1/8" and 1/4" degree. Incorrect toe-in can result in the vehicle pulling to one side, and rapid or uneven tire wear. Caster angle though is another story and is very important. Caster angle is what provides the force for returning the steering wheels to center from a turn. The force actually comes from the weight of the vehicle, acting against the caster angle of the steering spindles to provide this centering force.

You can test for correct or sufficient caster angle very simply, as I finally did. Find an open space such as a large paring lot where you have room to maneuver your rig safely. While traveling forward a low speed, turn the steering wheel 90 degrees or so to one side or the other setting up a turn. Then let go of the wheel. It should quickly return to center resulting in your rig traveling approximately straight forward. This is exactly what you are used to in your car. It is so commonly expected, that when it doesn't happen you probably don't even recognize the problem and just return the steering wheel to center yourself. If your rig is like mine and the steering wheel doesn't return to center, then the rig just continues to turn in a circle after you release the steering wheel. I never recognized that this was specifically the problem, and that I was always returning the steering wheel to center from any turn. While this isn't a huge problem at low speeds, at highway speed it results in constantly needing to return the steering wheel to center, the problem I was having, and the problem I think you are describing.

So unless you have a low tire, wildly off toe-in, or extremely low ride height, if the steering wheel will not return to center on its own from a turn, then you either have something binding in the steering system, or insufficient caster angle. Something binding (king pin, thrust bearing, rod end, etc.) or incorrect caster angle are both alignment shop issues. The shop should be inspecting for any loose or binding parts prior to making any adjustments. Any adjustments should be expected to minimize tire wear, eliminate pulling to either side, and sufficient centering force to return the steering wheel to center when released. If all these conditions aren't met, then the alignment work hasn't been properly completed by the shop. Simply setting the alignment adjustments to the recommended specification may not result in meeting all the conditions, and if this is the case the shop may need to make further adjustments.

There are "caster shims" available to make adjustments to caster angle. Safari alignment specifications call for 4 degrees positive caster. The alignment shops I've been in assure me that I have 4 degrees positive caster. The Westport axle service manual suggests 3 to 5 degrees positive caster, so apparently the 4 degrees recommended by Safari is just the starting point.

I think my starting point next spring when I get the rig back out of storage is that I will be much more specific about my steering problem when trying to select my next alignment shop. Telling the alignment shop that the vehicle wanders, or is difficult to drive, simply isn't specific enough. I think perhaps something more like, "Steering does not return to center on its own from a turn, and I refuse to pay for any alignment work that doesn't correct this problem" might be specific enough to get the point across. Either that or the shop will refuse to accept the work which would only confirm that it is one of the many shops that can only adjust the alignment to "spec" and really has no ability to solve any drive-ability problems. If the later is the case, I've just saved myself a lot of time and frustration, and I can continue searching for a shop that has the expertise to solve the problem.

Hopeful some of my experience will be of some help to you.

Glenn
'97 Continental 4006/Cat 3126
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31838 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Glenn,
Thank you for all your thoughts. Next spring I will get more involved with trying to help it drive better and may be some of all the information I've gathered from you and others will help.
Merry Christmas to everyone!
Robert
1998 Safari Serengeti 40'
Cat/Allison/VevetRide

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:37 PM, grbarney@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Robert,

You aren't alone with the steering problems you are describing. I have a '97 Continental I bought 5 years ago with the same problem, and I expect there are others. I have yet to solve the problem but some of what I have found out from my experience may be of some help.

So far I've had the coach aligned (no help) had the king pins and bushings replaced (no help) ride height adjusted (no help) replaced tires (no help) weighed on all four corners and adjusted tire pressures (no help), aligned again (still no help or improvement). I did take the coach into Henderson's in Grants Pass, OR last fall. Nice folks and seem to know what they are doing, but they insist that the only way to correct the problem is adding about $6K to $7K worth of aftermarket parts. Really!? This much in aftermarket parts to correct a problem it should not have left the factory with and perhaps didn't. Yes Tiger Track bars would probably reduce some of the swaying, and perhaps Koni shock would provide a smoother ride, but these really weren't my complaints. My complaints were similar to yours. The rig just won't stay in the lane at highway speed without constant attention and steering input.

I'm thinking there must be a simpler solution, so I started reading up on what I could find out about alignment and steering.

First thing I discovered from reading is that most alignment shops cannot solve drive-ability problems. They don't have the technical experience or knowhow for this. They do not test drive vehicles either before or after performing an alignment to assess driving problems, they simply "adjust to specifications" and return the vehicle to the customer. This may or may not solve your problem, but that really isn't their concern.

Second thing I discovered is that the three basic alignment adjustments are camber, caster, and toe-in, and each has a different function and effect on steering. Toe-in is basically to compensate for the caster angle and reduce tire scrub and wear. Since caster on the Westport axles installed on our rigs isn't adjustable anyway, toe-in gets set between 1/8" and 1/4" degree. Incorrect toe-in can result in the vehicle pulling to one side, and rapid or uneven tire wear. Caster angle though is another story and is very important. Caster angle is what provides the force for returning the steering wheels to center from a turn. The force actually comes from the weight of the vehicle, acting against the caster angle of the steering spindles to provide this centering force.

You can test for correct or sufficient caster angle very simply, as I finally did. Find an open space such as a large paring lot where you have room to maneuver your rig safely. While traveling forward a low speed, turn the steering wheel 90 degrees or so to one side or the other setting up a turn. Then let go of the wheel. It should quickly return to center resulting in your rig traveling approximately straight forward. This is exactly what you are used to in your car. It is so commonly expected, that when it doesn't happen you probably don't even recognize the problem and just return the steering wheel to center yourself. If your rig is like mine and the steering wheel doesn't return to center, then the rig just continues to turn in a circle after you release the steering wheel. I never recognized that this was specifically the problem, and that I was always returning the steering wheel to center from any turn. While this isn't a huge problem at low speeds, at highway speed it results in constantly needing to return the steering wheel to center, the problem I was having, and the problem I think you are describing.

So unless you have a low tire, wildly off toe-in, or extremely low ride height, if the steering wheel will not return to center on its own from a turn, then you either have something binding in the steering system, or insufficient caster angle. Something binding (king pin, thrust bearing, rod end, etc.) or incorrect caster angle are both alignment shop issues. The shop should be inspecting for any loose or binding parts prior to making any adjustments. Any adjustments should be expected to minimize tire wear, eliminate pulling to either side, and sufficient centering force to return the steering wheel to center when released. If all these conditions aren't met, then the alignment work hasn't been properly completed by the shop. Simply setting the alignment adjustments to the recommended specification may not result in meeting all the conditions, and if this is the case the shop may need to make further adjustments.

There are "caster shims" available to make adjustments to caster angle. Safari alignment specifications call for 4 degrees positive caster. The alignment shops I've been in assure me that I have 4 degrees positive caster. The Westport axle service manual suggests 3 to 5 degrees positive caster, so apparently the 4 degrees recommended by Safari is just the starting point.

I think my starting point next spring when I get the rig back out of storage is that I will be much more specific about my steering problem when trying to select my next alignment shop. Telling the alignment shop that the vehicle wanders, or is difficult to drive, simply isn't specific enough. I think perhaps something more like, "Steering does not return to center on its own from a turn, and I refuse to pay for any alignment work that doesn't correct this problem" might be specific enough to get the point across. Either that or the shop will refuse to accept the work which would only confirm that it is one of the many shops that can only adjust the alignment to "spec" and really has no ability to solve any drive-ability problems. If the later is the case, I've just saved myself a lot of time and frustration, and I can continue searching for a shop that has the expertise to solve the problem.

Hopeful some of my experience will be of some help to you.

Glenn
'97 Continental 4006/Cat 3126

Group: Safarifriends Message: 31842 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Yes, for tracking issues, ABSOLUTELY, set caster (which IS, repeat IS adjustable by any truck shop worth two cents) to the high side of spec.  Have no problem with 5 degrees left side and 5.75 right side.

Yes, this is AFTER setting ride height and tire pressure.  And when checking caster, they can set toe-in toward the high side of spec. Yes,  a little more tire wear and a very sight decrease in MPG, but well worth it.

Brett
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31843 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Brett,
Thank you for your input too, it's much appreciated. I'm parked and set up for the winter now, but I plan on taking some corrective action next spring.
Merry Christmas!
Robert
1998 Safari Serengeti 40'
Cat/Allison/VevetRide
Center Entry


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:22 PM, bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Yes, for tracking issues, ABSOLUTELY, set caster (which IS, repeat IS adjustable by any truck shop worth two cents) to the high side of spec.  Have no problem with 5 degrees left side and 5.75 right side.

Yes, this is AFTER setting ride height and tire pressure.  And when checking caster, they can set toe-in toward the high side of spec. Yes,  a little more tire wear and a very sight decrease in MPG, but well worth it.

Brett

Group: Safarifriends Message: 31845 From: Thomas Vineski Date: 12/18/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
We had similar experience after purchase of our 97 ivory on maiden voyage in 1998. Wandered all over road. Upon return to phoenix area Installed Safety-Plus as a damper and made a lot of positive driving difference. Should have been included as standard equipment from factory. About $500 on sale at camping world A few years later we installed the tiger tracks and the Koni upgrade. Hope this helps.

Tom
1997 safari ivory 3730

951-415-5673
Solarnomads.blogspot.com
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31846 From: TD Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Brett,

Pardon my ignorance, but why set the right side caster .75 degrees more than the left??? I know camber is set to compensate for the crown of the road, but caster? In theory, that would be twisting the axle a bit?
I while back I recall reading that the Safari caster should be set one or two degrees more than the factory calls for (up to a maximum of 6.5 degrees) to help with steering issues, but I can't find it now.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:22 PM, bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Yes, for tracking issues, ABSOLUTELY, set caster (which IS, repeat IS adjustable by any truck shop worth two cents) to the high side of spec.  Have no problem with 5 degrees left side and 5.75 right side.

Yes, this is AFTER setting ride height and tire pressure.  And when checking caster, they can set toe-in toward the high side of spec. Yes,  a little more tire wear and a very sight decrease in MPG, but well worth it.

Brett


Group: Safarifriends Message: 31847 From: Robert Todd Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Thank you Tom and I hope you enjoy a very Merry Christmas!
Robert
1998 Safari Serengeti 40'
Cat/Allison/VevetRide
Center Entry

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2016, at 12:49 AM, Thomas Vineski solarnomads@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We had similar experience after purchase of our 97 ivory on maiden voyage in 1998. Wandered all over road. Upon return to phoenix area Installed Safety-Plus as a damper and made a lot of positive driving difference. Should have been included as standard equipment from factory. About $500 on sale at camping world A few years later we installed the tiger tracks and the Koni upgrade. Hope this helps.

Tom
1997 safari ivory 3730

951-415-5673
Solarnomads.blogspot.com

Group: Safarifriends Message: 31848 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Yes, you have the correct answer.  The caster on right side is set higher (usually about .75 degrees) to account for the crown in the road.  Were it the same, on a crowned road (virtually all roads are crowned) the coach would want to always head for the ditch.

And, for those not familiar with the caster adjustment, they just loosen the chassis to axle bolts (do not remove) and insert wedge-shaped shims that comes in different degrees of angle. No big deal or expensive parts.  Have done it myself and watched many shops to it.

Brett
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31854 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
That is interesting about the .75 more. What is the consensus on total caster on each side? I think a little too much caster could contribute to wander. When I here your numbers, I am going to check mine. Pete- '99 sahara 30'


From: "bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 7:40:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: VevetRide steering/shocks

Yes, you have the correct answer.  The caster on right side is set higher (usually about .75 degrees) to account for the crown in the road.  Were it the same, on a crowned road (virtually all roads are crowned) the coach would want to always head for the ditch.

And, for those not familiar with the caster adjustment, they just loosen the chassis to axle bolts (do not remove) and insert wedge-shaped shims that comes in different degrees of angle. No big deal or expensive parts.  Have done it myself and watched many shops to it.

Brett
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31868 From: TD Date: 12/19/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Glenn,

What do your front and rear axles weigh in at when you are loaded in travel mode?

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 7:37 PM, grbarney@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi Robert,

You aren't alone with the steering problems you are describing. I have a '97 Continental I bought 5 years ago with the same problem, and I expect there are others. I have yet to solve the problem but some of what I have found out from my experience may be of some help.

So far I've had the coach aligned (no help) had the king pins and bushings replaced (no help) ride height adjusted (no help) replaced tires (no help) weighed on all four corners and adjusted tire pressures (no help), aligned again (still no help or improvement). I did take the coach into Henderson's in Grants Pass, OR last fall. Nice folks and seem to know what they are doing, but they insist that the only way to correct the problem is adding about $6K to $7K worth of aftermarket parts. Really!? This much in aftermarket parts to correct a problem it should not have left the factory with and perhaps didn't. Yes Tiger Track bars would probably reduce some of the swaying, and perhaps Koni shock would provide a smoother ride, but these really weren't my complaints. My complaints were similar to yours. The rig just won't stay in the lane at highway speed without constant attention and steering input.

I'm thinking there must be a simpler solution, so I started reading up on what I could find out about alignment and steering.

First thing I discovered from reading is that most alignment shops cannot solve drive-ability problems. They don't have the technical experience or knowhow for this. They do not test drive vehicles either before or after performing an alignment to assess driving problems, they simply "adjust to specifications" and return the vehicle to the customer. This may or may not solve your problem, but that really isn't their concern.

Second thing I discovered is that the three basic alignment adjustments are camber, caster, and toe-in, and each has a different function and effect on steering. Toe-in is basically to compensate for the caster angle and reduce tire scrub and wear. Since caster on the Westport axles installed on our rigs isn't adjustable anyway, toe-in gets set between 1/8" and 1/4" degree. Incorrect toe-in can result in the vehicle pulling to one side, and rapid or uneven tire wear. Caster angle though is another story and is very important. Caster angle is what provides the force for returning the steering wheels to center from a turn. The force actually comes from the weight of the vehicle, acting against the caster angle of the steering spindles to provide this centering force.

You can test for correct or sufficient caster angle very simply, as I finally did. Find an open space such as a large paring lot where you have room to maneuver your rig safely. While traveling forward a low speed, turn the steering wheel 90 degrees or so to one side or the other setting up a turn. Then let go of the wheel. It should quickly return to center resulting in your rig traveling approximately straight forward. This is exactly what you are used to in your car. It is so commonly expected, that when it doesn't happen you probably don't even recognize the problem and just return the steering wheel to center yourself. If your rig is like mine and the steering wheel doesn't return to center, then the rig just continues to turn in a circle after you release the steering wheel. I never recognized that this was specifically the problem, and that I was always returning the steering wheel to center from any turn. While this isn't a huge problem at low speeds, at highway speed it results in constantly needing to return the steering wheel to center, the problem I was having, and the problem I think you are describing.

So unless you have a low tire, wildly off toe-in, or extremely low ride height, if the steering wheel will not return to center on its own from a turn, then you either have something binding in the steering system, or insufficient caster angle. Something binding (king pin, thrust bearing, rod end, etc.) or incorrect caster angle are both alignment shop issues. The shop should be inspecting for any loose or binding parts prior to making any adjustments. Any adjustments should be expected to minimize tire wear, eliminate pulling to either side, and sufficient centering force to return the steering wheel to center when released. If all these conditions aren't met, then the alignment work hasn't been properly completed by the shop. Simply setting the alignment adjustments to the recommended specification may not result in meeting all the conditions, and if this is the case the shop may need to make further adjustments.

There are "caster shims" available to make adjustments to caster angle. Safari alignment specifications call for 4 degrees positive caster. The alignment shops I've been in assure me that I have 4 degrees positive caster. The Westport axle service manual suggests 3 to 5 degrees positive caster, so apparently the 4 degrees recommended by Safari is just the starting point.

I think my starting point next spring when I get the rig back out of storage is that I will be much more specific about my steering problem when trying to select my next alignment shop. Telling the alignment shop that the vehicle wanders, or is difficult to drive, simply isn't specific enough. I think perhaps something more like, "Steering does not return to center on its own from a turn, and I refuse to pay for any alignment work that doesn't correct this problem" might be specific enough to get the point across. Either that or the shop will refuse to accept the work which would only confirm that it is one of the many shops that can only adjust the alignment to "spec" and really has no ability to solve any drive-ability problems. If the later is the case, I've just saved myself a lot of time and frustration, and I can continue searching for a shop that has the expertise to solve the problem.

Hopeful some of my experience will be of some help to you.

Glenn
'97 Continental 4006/Cat 3126