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Group: Safarifriends Message: 39263 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39271 From: chvet73 Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39273 From: TD Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39276 From: mel96safari Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39277 From: mel96safari Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: VelvetRide alignment specs (was:: Align steering wheel)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39286 From: Mark Cushman Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39287 From: Mark Cushman Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Re: VelvetRide alignment specs (was:: Align steering wheel)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39288 From: mel96safari Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Signature (was: Align steering wheel)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39304 From: chvet73 Date: 8/19/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39305 From: mel96safari Date: 8/20/2018
Subject: Tire pressure equalizers (was: Align steering wheel)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39318 From: TD Date: 8/20/2018
Subject: Re: Tire pressure equalizers (was: Align steering wheel)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39321 From: Craig Burrell Date: 8/21/2018
Subject: Re: Tire pressure equalizers (was: Align steering wheel)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39323 From: mel96safari Date: 8/21/2018
Subject: Re: Tire pressure equalizers (was: Align steering wheel)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39338 From: chvet73 Date: 8/22/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39340 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/22/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39341 From: chvet73 Date: 8/23/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39386 From: dewey2501 Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Steering box question
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39387 From: fountking Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39389 From: mel96safari Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39391 From: Dwayne Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39393 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39394 From: mel96safari Date: 8/27/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39645 From: Dan Defenderfer Date: 9/18/2018
Subject: Need Battery Control Box!!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39651 From: TD Date: 9/18/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39654 From: Dan Defenderfer Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39661 From: TD Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39662 From: Gary Smith Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39663 From: mel96safari Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: MacAllister CAT in Indianapolis (was: Need Battery Control Box)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39667 From: TD Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: MacAllister CAT in Indianapolis (was: Need Battery Control Box)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39671 From: Dan Defenderfer Date: 9/20/2018
Subject: Re: MacAllister CAT in Indianapolis (was: Need Battery Control Box)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39675 From: Dan Defenderfer Date: 9/20/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39698 From: TD Date: 9/21/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39702 From: Daniel Defenderfer Date: 9/22/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40602 From: Jamie Trinkle Date: 1/13/2019
Subject: Steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41621 From: trunnellfamily Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Power steering gearbox
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41622 From: fountking Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41623 From: Billy Massey Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
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Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
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Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
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Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41643 From: TD Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: steering gear box
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Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41659 From: deanshaw999 Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
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Subject: Re: steering gear box
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41924 From: keep_on_ko Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: Power steering fluid
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41928 From: Bill Edwards Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering fluid
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41930 From: James Exler Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering fluid
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Subject: Re: Power brake and steering fluid reservoir (was: Transmission flui
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Subject: Re: Ower brake and steering fluid reservoir (was: Transmission fluid



Group: Safarifriends Message: 39263 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Bob,
Sorry for my misleading comment - but yes, I used the tire MFG chart to determine the correct air pressure for my tires, not the data placard. 

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd    
Spokane WA


On Thursday, August 16, 2018, 10:24:54 AM PDT, ondaflore@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Duane,

When you say " I dropped them (front tires) down to 68 per the load chart recommendations for my rig", I hope you are not referring to the Safari factory information placard.  Tire pressure recommendations vary from one manufacturer to the next as well as different tire lines from the same manufacturer.  Google "load and inflation tables" for your brand of tire, or search on the manufacturer's truck tire website.  Use your weight data and the correct inflation tables to determine your correct tire pressures.

Bob
2001 Zanzibar 
Firestone FS 560 tires
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39271 From: chvet73 Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Just to clarify, I have a Magnum chassis with the velvet ride torsion bar suspension.

Does anyone have the correct alignment specs for my coach?

I will be checking tire pressure and adjusting that steering wheel this weekend.

Thanks,

Mark
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39273 From: TD Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Mark,

I'm unable to copy and paste on my tablet. Do a search on the group
for Velvet Ride Alinment Specs, dated 5-2-17
If that doesn't bring it up, then try searching VelvetRide Alignment Specs.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 8/17/18, chvet73@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Just to clarify, I have a Magnum chassis with the velvet ride torsion bar
> suspension.
>
> Does anyone have the correct alignment specs for my coach?
>
> I will be checking tire pressure and adjusting that steering wheel this
> weekend.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 39276 From: mel96safari Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Mark
What year is your coach?
Serengeti?
Continental?

BTW here are the Westport part numbers for the tie rod ends for a 1997 Serengeti (on the Magnun Blue Max chassis with Velvet Ride):
Right Tie Rod End:  p/n 1436400052
Left Tie Rod End:  p/n 1436400051

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@...> wrote :

Just to clarify, I have a Magnum chassis with the velvet ride torsion bar suspension.

Does anyone have the correct alignment specs for my coach?

I will be checking tire pressure and adjusting that steering wheel this weekend.

Thanks,

Mark
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39277 From: mel96safari Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: VelvetRide alignment specs (was:: Align steering wheel)
Here's a copy of John's message dated May 2, 2017
==========================================================
Here are the VelvetRide alignment specs:

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster
(4.5 absolute minimum, if coach tends to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred)
 If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +0.5 degrees more can be increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable, unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need adjustment)

.125  to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road .25" is preferred)

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.
==========================================================
Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :

Mark,

I'm unable to copy and paste on my tablet. Do a search on the group
for Velvet Ride Alinment Specs, dated 5-2-17
If that doesn't bring it up, then try searching VelvetRide Alignment Specs.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


Group: Safarifriends Message: 39286 From: Mark Cushman Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
1999 Sahara 32’ 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:19 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Mark
What year is your coach?
Serengeti?
Continental?

BTW here are the Westport part numbers for the tie rod ends for a 1997 Serengeti (on the Magnun Blue Max chassis with Velvet Ride):
Right Tie Rod End:  p/n 1436400052
Left Tie Rod End:  p/n 1436400051

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@...> wrote :

Just to clarify, I have a Magnum chassis with the velvet ride torsion bar suspension.

Does anyone have the correct alignment specs for my coach?

I will be checking tire pressure and adjusting that steering wheel this weekend.

Thanks,

Mark

Group: Safarifriends Message: 39287 From: Mark Cushman Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Re: VelvetRide alignment specs (was:: Align steering wheel)
Thanks for posting that. I had a hard time finding it this morning. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:46 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Here's a copy of John's message dated May 2, 2017
==========================================================
Here are the VelvetRide alignment specs:

5 to 5.5 degrees positive caster
(4.5 absolute minimum, if coach tends to wander all over, + 5.5 deg. is preferred)
 If coach tends to pull to the right, up to +0.5 degrees more can be increased on the right wheel to compensate for the crown of the road.

-1/4 to +1/2 degree positive camber (camber not really adjustable, unless you heat and bend the axle, and normally does not need adjustment)

.125  to .25 in. toe-in (if coach tends to wander all over the road .25" is preferred)

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
6spd.
==========================================================
Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :

Mark,

I'm unable to copy and paste on my tablet. Do a search on the group
for Velvet Ride Alinment Specs, dated 5-2-17
If that doesn't bring it up, then try searching VelvetRide Alignment Specs.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


Group: Safarifriends Message: 39288 From: mel96safari Date: 8/17/2018
Subject: Signature (was: Align steering wheel)
<chvet73@...
Thank you.

It would be helpful to the other Safarifriends members if you would put your name and that coach information in the signature of every message to the group.

Mel
'96 35' Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@...> wrote :

1999 Sahara 32’ 



Group: Safarifriends Message: 39304 From: chvet73 Date: 8/19/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
I was able to easily center the steering wheel by adjusting the drag link. I had no trouble turning the draglink. It does have a bow in it which it is on the down side it appears that provides more clearance rom other parts.

I then went to adjust tire pressure and learned a lesson. My normal tire pressure gauge doesn’t fit in the space where the air valve is. So I need to pick up a new “truckers” pressure gauge with an angled head. I did find left inside dual 60 lbs and right inside 105. Concerned the left might have a leak.

I haven’t driven it yet to see if my steering wheel adjustment worked and I want to get pressures adjusted correctly before I go for a test drive.

I’ll post more after my test drive

Mark

1999 Sahara Magnum Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39305 From: mel96safari Date: 8/20/2018
Subject: Tire pressure equalizers (was: Align steering wheel)
Mark
I've have the Link Cat's Eye tire pressure equalizers on my rear duallys since '02, (over 100,000 miles):

Crossfire is another recommended brand:

Mel
'96 Sahara

---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@...> wrote :

I was able to easily center the steering wheel by adjusting the drag link. I had no trouble turning the draglink. It does have a bow in it which it is on the down side it appears that provides more clearance rom other parts.

I then went to adjust tire pressure and learned a lesson. My normal tire pressure gauge doesn’t fit in the space where the air valve is. So I need to pick up a new “truckers” pressure gauge with an angled head. I did find left inside dual 60 lbs and right inside 105. Concerned the left might have a leak.

I haven’t driven it yet to see if my steering wheel adjustment worked and I want to get pressures adjusted correctly before I go for a test drive.

I’ll post more after my test drive

Mark

1999 Sahara Magnum Velvet Ride
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39318 From: TD Date: 8/20/2018
Subject: Re: Tire pressure equalizers (was: Align steering wheel)
Mel,

So, if Mark had one of your recommended gadgets on his dual tires,
both of his left rear tires would have dropped down to 60 psi, instead
of just the one tire that dropped down 60 psi and other one staying at
105 psi. . Depending on the load the tires were under, driving with
both the left dual tires at 60 psi would likely have damaged both
tires, or it could have even escalated to a likely dual blowout.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me like it is more risk than
its worth...

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 8/20/18, stuplich@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Mark
> I've have the Link Cat's Eye tire pressure equalizers on my rear duallys
> since '02, (over 100,000 miles):
>
> https://www.linkmfg.com/products/cats-eye/
> https://www.linkmfg.com/products/cats-eye/
>
>
> Crossfire is another recommended brand:
> http://www.dualdynamics.com/products/cross-fire/
> http://www.dualdynamics.com/products/cross-fire/
>
>
> Mel
> '96 Sahara
>
>
> ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@...> wrote :
>
> I was able to easily center the steering wheel by adjusting the drag link.
> I had no trouble turning the draglink. It does have a bow in it which it is
> on the down side it appears that provides more clearance rom other parts.
>
> I then went to adjust tire pressure and learned a lesson. My normal tire
> pressure gauge doesn’t fit in the space where the air valve is. So I need to
> pick up a new “truckers” pressure gauge with an angled head. I did find left
> inside dual 60 lbs and right inside 105. Concerned the left might have a
> leak.
>
> I haven’t driven it yet to see if my steering wheel adjustment worked and I
> want to get pressures adjusted correctly before I go for a test drive.
>
> I’ll post more after my test drive
>
> Mark
>
> 1999 Sahara Magnum Velvet Ride
>
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39321 From: Craig Burrell Date: 8/21/2018
Subject: Re: Tire pressure equalizers (was: Align steering wheel)
i put pressure monitors on mine and love them. I have had the other and do not like them for the reason they just ruin both tires instead of one.
Craig
93 cont. 8.3   6sp


On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:21 AM, "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Mel,

So, if Mark had one of your recommended gadgets on his dual tires,
both of his left rear tires would have dropped down to 60 psi, instead
of just the one tire that dropped down 60 psi and other one staying at
105 psi. . Depending on the load the tires were under, driving with
both the left dual tires at 60 psi would likely have damaged both
tires, or it could have even escalated to a likely dual blowout.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me like it is more risk than
its worth...

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 8/20/18, stuplich@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Mark
> I've have the Link Cat's Eye tire pressure equalizers on my rear duallys
> since '02, (over 100,000 miles):
>
> https://www.linkmfg.com/products/cats-eye/
> https://www.linkmfg.com/products/cats-eye/
>
>
> Crossfire is another recommended brand:
> http://www.dualdynamics.com/products/cross-fire/
> http://www.dualdynamics.com/products/cross-fire/
>
>
> Mel
> '96 Sahara
>
>
> ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@...> wrote :
>
> I was able to easily center the steering wheel by adjusting the drag link.
> I had no trouble turning the draglink. It does have a bow in it which it is
> on the down side it appears that provides more clearance rom other parts.
>
> I then went to adjust tire pressure and learned a lesson. My normal tire
> pressure gauge doesn’t fit in the space where the air valve is.. So I need to
> pick up a new “truckers” pressure gauge with an angled head. I did find left
> inside dual 60 lbs and right inside 105. Concerned the left might have a
> leak.
>
> I haven’t driven it yet to see if my steering wheel adjustment worked and I
> want to get pressures adjusted correctly before I go for a test drive.
>
> I’ll post more after my test drive
>
> Mark
>
> 1999 Sahara Magnum Velvet Ride
>
>


Group: Safarifriends Message: 39323 From: mel96safari Date: 8/21/2018
Subject: Re: Tire pressure equalizers (was: Align steering wheel)
John
As you know driving with one dual tire at 60 psi and the other at 105 psi
the 60 psi tire would likely have been ruined and the 105 psi damaged.

When using the Cat's Eyes correctly you never drive with a deflated tire.
(Like any other tire pressure monitoring gadget the key is to use them correctly).

For a explanation/description of how the Cats Eye equalizers work see "How do they work?" here:

BTW I particularly like the convenience of only one fill valve for both tires.

Mel
'96 Safari


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :

Mel,

So, if Mark had one of your recommended gadgets on his dual tires,
both of his left rear tires would have dropped down to 60 psi, instead
of just the one tire that dropped down 60 psi and other one staying at
105 psi. . Depending on the load the tires were under, driving with
both the left dual tires at 60 psi would likely have damaged both
tires
, or it could have even escalated to a likely dual blowout.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me like it is more risk than
its worth...

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On 8/20/18, stuplich@... [Safarifriends]
<Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Mark
> I've have the Link Cat's Eye tire pressure equalizers on my rear >duallys...since '02, (over 100,000 miles):
>
https://tinyurl.com/y9k7auo7
 
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39338 From: chvet73 Date: 8/22/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Duane,

I noted in a previous post that you have Samson tires. Did you find a pressure chart for them? And what pressures are you running?

Thanks,

Mark

1999 Sahara 32’
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39340 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/22/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Mark,
Hopefully it will attach and be somewhat readable - it's from a text file that I copied from their website.  I've got the GL274A's (9R22.5) on my rig, and after checking their data versus the spreadsheet that's in the files section, I was able to go into Les Schwab and double check my numbers since that's where they got them from.  I'm running 65 in the front and 92 in the duals, and the difference combined with the Centramatic Wheel balancers was amazing - much better feel for the road now versus my first trip when they were all inflated to 120 and I was all over the place.  Not my desired tires after reading all the issues with them, but for the time being I'm stuck with them and just monitor them close. 

Samson GL274A


    Tire Specifications

Current Size
Product Code    Display Name    Load Rating    Speed Rating    Sidewall    Ply
Rating    UTQG    Load  Capacity¹    Maximum  Inflation²    Mileage Warranty
87404    10R22.5 G TL GL-274A    141/139    M         14         5675    115    
¹ Load capacity in pounds (lbs)  |  ² Maximum inflation pressure in PSI
Other Available Sizes
Product Code    Display Name    Load Rating    Speed Rating    Sidewall    Ply
Rating    UTQG    Load  Capacity¹    Maximum  Inflation²    Mileage Warranty
874402    8.25R20 G TTF GL274A    136/134    K         14         4940    120    
87440    8.25R20 G TT GL274A    136/134    K         14         4940    120    
87450    9.00R20 H TT GL274A    144/142    K         16         6175    130    
874502    9.00R20 H TTF GL274A    144/142    K         16         6175    130    
874602    10.00R20 H TTF GL274A    146/143    K         16         6610    120    
874622    10.00R20 J TTF GL274A    149/146    J         18         7160    135    
87460    10.00R20 H TT GL274A    146/143    K         16         6610    120    
87462    10.00R20 J TT GL274A    149/146    J         18         7160    135    
87470    11.00R20 H TT GL274A    150/147    K         16         7390    120    
87472    11.00R20 J TT GL274A    152/149    J         18         7830    135    
874702    11.00R20 H TTF GL274A    150/147    K         16         7380    120    
874722    11.00R20 J TTF GL274A    152/149    J         18         7830    135    
874802    12.00R20 J TTF GL274A    154/151    K         18         8260    120    
87480    12.00R20 J TT GL274A    154/151    K         18         8270    120    
87400    9R22.5 G TL GL274A    136/134    M         14         4940    120    
874002    9R22.5 G TL GL274A    136/134    M         14         4940    120    
874042    10R22.5 G TL GL274A    141/139    M         14         5675    115    
874062    11R22.5 H TL GL274A    146/143    M         16         6610    120    
87406    11R22.5 H TL GL274A    146/143    M         16         6610    120    
87408    12R22.5 H TL GL274A    150/147    M         16         7390    120    
874082    12R22.5 H TL GL274A    150/147    M         16         7380    125    
¹ Load capacity in pounds (lbs)  |  ² Maximum inflation pressure in PSI


Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA


On Wednesday, August 22, 2018, 8:12:19 PM PDT, chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Duane,

I noted in a previous post that you have Samson tires. Did you find a pressure chart for them? And what pressures are you running?

Thanks,

Mark

1999 Sahara 32’

Group: Safarifriends Message: 39341 From: chvet73 Date: 8/23/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Duane,

Thanks for that info. Finally got my “truckers gauge” so I could get to all valves. I found that everything is 110 pounds. But the one low dual.

This weekend I’ll hopefully get the Safari around to the front of my house to where my compressor is.

Mark
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39386 From: dewey2501 Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Steering box question
My 30' Sahara has more play in the steering than I think it should, leaving me to wonder about the steering box.  It was far, far better this year after dropping the front tire pressures and putting the Centramatic wheel balancers on, but there's still (in my opinion) more play in the steering than there should be - even with the known issues of the short wheel base.  I've got a stabilizer on the steering as well, and the bushings for the front and rear sway bars have both been replaced, so that much has been done.  Granted, I've got Samson tires (and after just totaling our car, replacement MH tires are delayed a few years), but even with the knowledge that they aren't the best quality for our rigs, the questions remain.  Is it worth my time and effort to pull the box and send it in for an overhaul?  There aren't any leaks of any kind from it, but with it being 22 years and 75K miles old, I'm sure that there's some normal wear and tear in the internals on it, so would an overhaul be beneficial?  Thoughts/opinions??

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA


Group: Safarifriends Message: 39387 From: fountking Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
Duane,

I have thought about doing something with my steering box also. My mechanic friend sez thats a Shepard thing not much to rebuild

Mine handles a lot better after adding tiger trakbars. It still seems to have some play. Rig justed turned 100,000 miles.
I also increased my caster to 5 left 5.5 right that also helped. Running on 2nd year Yokohamas

  Bob 96 Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39389 From: mel96safari Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
Duane
The steering box in my now 150,000 mile 35' Sahara has never been problematic.

A wise man once told me: "If it's not broken don't fix it.... something else will  break soon".

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dewey2501@...> wrote :

My 30' Sahara has more play in the steering than I think it should, leaving me to wonder about the steering box.  It was far, far better this year after dropping the front tire pressures and putting the Centramatic wheel balancers on, but there's still (in my opinion) more play in the steering than there should be - even with the known issues of the short wheel base.  I've got a stabilizer on the steering as well, and the bushings for the front and rear sway bars have both been replaced, so that much has been done.  Granted, I've got Samson tires (and after just totaling our car, replacement MH tires are delayed a few years), but even with the knowledge that they aren't the best quality for our rigs, the questions remain.  Is it worth my time and effort to pull the box and send it in for an overhaul?  There aren't any leaks of any kind from it, but with it being 22 years and 75K miles old, I'm sure that there's some normal wear and tear in the internals on it, so would an overhaul be beneficial?  Thoughts/opinions??

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA


Group: Safarifriends Message: 39391 From: Dwayne Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
My steering box developed a seal leak on the way back from Death Valley last year. I ran out of fluid in Barstow. After securing 3 gallons at wal mart, I made it home to Orange County using one gallon. I removed it and sent it in for rebuild $850. There was no adjustment for play, however there is an adjustment for the stops on right and left that must be made with a helper. So that The steer box will not power into the axle stops.
86,000 mi
Dwayne 
96 safari Sahara. 


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2018, at 4:39 PM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Duane
The steering box in my now 150,000 mile 35' Sahara has never been problematic.

A wise man once told me: "If it's not broken don't fix it.... something else will  break soon".

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dewey2501@...> wrote :

My 30' Sahara has more play in the steering than I think it should, leaving me to wonder about the steering box.  It was far, far better this year after dropping the front tire pressures and putting the Centramatic wheel balancers on, but there's still (in my opinion) more play in the steering than there should be - even with the known issues of the short wheel base.  I've got a stabilizer on the steering as well, and the bushings for the front and rear sway bars have both been replaced, so that much has been done.  Granted, I've got Samson tires (and after just totaling our car, replacement MH tires are delayed a few years), but even with the knowledge that they aren't the best quality for our rigs, the questions remain.  Is it worth my time and effort to pull the box and send it in for an overhaul?  There aren't any leaks of any kind from it, but with it being 22 years and 75K miles old, I'm sure that there's some normal wear and tear in the internals on it, so would an overhaul be beneficial?  Thoughts/opinions??

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA


Group: Safarifriends Message: 39393 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/26/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
Mel,
Very true, but I was thinking more along the lines of doing everything I could to diminish the play in my steering, thus the post.  I don't expect it to drive like my car or my SUV, but it would be nice to be able to decrease as much of the steering wheel play as I possibly can.  This year I was actually able to drive with one hand for quite a bit of the trip, but there was constant minor steering adjustments the entire time, and I don't think that's really the norm, even with my short wheelbase.  It was far, far more pleasurable to drive than last years vacation, but there was still room for improvement. 

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA
On Sunday, August 26, 2018, 4:39:15 PM PDT, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Duane
The steering box in my now 150,000 mile 35' Sahara has never been problematic.

A wise man once told me: "If it's not broken don't fix it.... something else will  break soon".

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dewey2501@...> wrote :

My 30' Sahara has more play in the steering than I think it should, leaving me to wonder about the steering box.  It was far, far better this year after dropping the front tire pressures and putting the Centramatic wheel balancers on, but there's still (in my opinion) more play in the steering than there should be - even with the known issues of the short wheel base.  I've got a stabilizer on the steering as well, and the bushings for the front and rear sway bars have both been replaced, so that much has been done.  Granted, I've got Samson tires (and after just totaling our car, replacement MH tires are delayed a few years), but even with the knowledge that they aren't the best quality for our rigs, the questions remain.  Is it worth my time and effort to pull the box and send it in for an overhaul?  There aren't any leaks of any kind from it, but with it being 22 years and 75K miles old, I'm sure that there's some normal wear and tear in the internals on it, so would an overhaul be beneficial?  Thoughts/opinions??

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA


Group: Safarifriends Message: 39394 From: mel96safari Date: 8/27/2018
Subject: Re: Steering box question
Duane
I understand wanting to improve the drivability of your coach.

However IMO it's likely that pulling your non leaking, (possibly perfectly working), steering box... and sending it in to be overhauled... will not be worth the time, effort and $$...(but because it's your coach, your time and your $$, it's up to you to make the decision).

Hopefully someone, (with what once was a ill-handling 30' Safari coach), will chime in with some suggestions.

That said, if I take the time, (and the $$), to fix and/or replace everything in my coach that might break, might go bad... or that I think might be broken... I won't have the time, or the $$, I need to use and enjoy my coach.

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dewey2501@...> wrote :

Mel,
Very true, but I was thinking more along the lines of doing everything I could to diminish the play in my steering, thus the post.  I don't expect it to drive like my car or my SUV, but it would be nice to be able to decrease as much of the steering wheel play as I possibly can.  This year I was actually able to drive with one hand for quite a bit of the trip, but there was constant minor steering adjustments the entire time, and I don't think that's really the norm, even with my short wheelbase.  It was far, far more pleasurable to drive than last years vacation, but there was still room for improvement. 

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA

---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <stuplich@...> wrote :

Duane
The steering box in my now 150,000 mile 35' Sahara has never been problematic.

A wise man once told me: "If it's not broken don't fix it.... something else will  break soon".

Mel
'96 Sahara


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <dewey2501@...> wrote :

My 30' Sahara has more play in the steering than I think it should, leaving me to wonder about the steering box. 
\Is it worth my time and effort to pull the box and send it in for an overhaul?  There aren't any leaks of any kind from it, but with it being 22 years and 75K miles old, I'm sure that there's some normal wear and tear in the internals on it, so would an overhaul be beneficial?  Thoughts/opinions??

Duane
96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
Spokane WA

Group: Safarifriends Message: 39645 From: Dan Defenderfer Date: 9/18/2018
Subject: Need Battery Control Box!!
Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission






Group: Safarifriends Message: 39651 From: TD Date: 9/18/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Dan,

From what you are describing, it sounds like the box you are talking about is the small fuse box.

Here is info that I copied of a Zanzibar manual, which should be similar. It describes the what the relay and the circuts the fuses protect.
FUSE DESCRIPTIONS
FH1- Chassis solar panel
FH2- Coach solar panel
FH3- Transmission electronics
FH4- ECM Event Recorder- provides constant power to engine electronics
FH5- Service center- provides power to service center gauges, etc.
FH6- ECM relay - power for ECM relay
ECM RELAY- Provides ignition power to engine electronics

Unless there is some odd severe corrosion, the fuse boxes themselves rarely fail. If you do really need to replace that fuse box, about the only place that you will likely find one is RV junk yard like Colaws in MS.

Have they checked if there is power coming into the box (could be a bad connection or one of the larger disaster fuses blew. Back in August, you mentioned that you rolled the battery tray in and the engine died, so check the disaster fuses, and check that this fuse box is getting power. If it is getting power, the fuses inside the box and the proper function of the ECM relay needs to be checked. Another issue that has given at least one member a problem, is the wiring that goes to the remote starter switch that is located in the service bay. Those wires can corrode and I believe that there is another relay located behind that service panel. You need to crawl under the coach and look behind the service panel. The individual who had this problem, ended up spending a whole bunch of money trying to trace the issue, and they ended up running new wiring. He only later discovered that the problem was in front of his nose all along.  Try the remote start button, see if the engine will at least turn over.

Give us as much info as you can on how the problem developed and how the repairs/diagnostics have been attempted.
Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission









Group: Safarifriends Message: 39654 From: Dan Defenderfer Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
John, Thanks for your reply.  The technicians at CAT say that some of the wires have been pulled loose from the fuse box.  Since it is sealed I don't think that they want to mess with it , but rather replace it.  I will forward this info to them and hopefully it will help.   The engine originally shut down  when I pushed the battery tray back in to the battery compartment. I must have tugged some wires loose or bumped against the fuse housing. It doesn't seem like it should be this complicated, but after 2 expensive tows , I am at the second repair facility, hoping that this issue can be resolved.  And yes it has already gotten expensive.
                               
Thanks

Dan Defenderfer
99 Continental Panther 425
CAT C12 Allison Transmission






From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Need Battery Control Box!!

 
Dan,

From what you are describing, it sounds like the box you are talking about is the small fuse box.

Here is info that I copied of a Zanzibar manual, which should be similar. It describes the what the relay and the circuts the fuses protect.
FUSE DESCRIPTIONS
FH1- Chassis solar panel
FH2- Coach solar panel
FH3- Transmission electronics
FH4- ECM Event Recorder- provides constant power to engine electronics
FH5- Service center- provides power to service center gauges, etc.
FH6- ECM relay - power for ECM relay
ECM RELAY- Provides ignition power to engine electronics

Unless there is some odd severe corrosion, the fuse boxes themselves rarely fail. If you do really need to replace that fuse box, about the only place that you will likely find one is RV junk yard like Colaws in MS.

Have they checked if there is power coming into the box (could be a bad connection or one of the larger disaster fuses blew. Back in August, you mentioned that you rolled the battery tray in and the engine died, so check the disaster fuses, and check that this fuse box is getting power. If it is getting power, the fuses inside the box and the proper function of the ECM relay needs to be checked. Another issue that has given at least one member a problem, is the wiring that goes to the remote starter switch that is located in the service bay. Those wires can corrode and I believe that there is another relay located behind that service panel. You need to crawl under the coach and look behind the service panel. The individual who had this problem, ended up spending a whole bunch of money trying to trace the issue, and they ended up running new wiring. He only later discovered that the problem was in front of his nose all along.  Try the remote start button, see if the engine will at least turn over.

Give us as much info as you can on how the problem developed and how the repairs/diagnostics have been attempted.
Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission











Group: Safarifriends Message: 39661 From: TD Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Dan,

Sealed or not, they should be able to repair it and reseal it, even if it is something as basic as loading the entrance point where the wires go in, with dielectric grease.
Have they the checked if there is power going into and out of the fuse box to all the proper circuits?
As Bill mentioned, have they checked the fuse in the Allison VIM (trans control box)?  If they have not, you need to get in there and check it yourself. Also, test the remote start button and the wiring running from that start button needs to be checked.  Consider calling Dave Atherton, he is a retired CAT Master Trouble shooter, and is really good, he dances circles around these young CAT technicians. His number is: 605 999 0720

Considering how expensive this is getting, you might want to consider having the technicians temporarily eliminate the fuse box and install waterproof inline fuses, at least to the circuits that are affected. Make sure they label those fuses.
If your are capable with basic electrical stuff, you can always opt to eventually find another used box and install it yourself.
Said to say, but most technicians are not very good with electrical stuff and the basic logic involved with it, they are just use to turning wrenches.

BTW, what region of the country are you located in?


John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John, Thanks for your reply.  The technicians at CAT say that some of the wires have been pulled loose from the fuse box.  Since it is sealed I don't think that they want to mess with it , but rather replace it.  I will forward this info to them and hopefully it will help.   The engine originally shut down  when I pushed the battery tray back in to the battery compartment. I must have tugged some wires loose or bumped against the fuse housing. It doesn't seem like it should be this complicated, but after 2 expensive tows , I am at the second repair facility, hoping that this issue can be resolved.  And yes it has already gotten expensive.
                                
Thanks

Dan Defenderfer
99 Continental Panther 425
CAT C12 Allison Transmission






From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Need Battery Control Box!!

 
Dan,

From what you are describing, it sounds like the box you are talking about is the small fuse box.

Here is info that I copied of a Zanzibar manual, which should be similar. It describes the what the relay and the circuts the fuses protect.
FUSE DESCRIPTIONS
FH1- Chassis solar panel
FH2- Coach solar panel
FH3- Transmission electronics
FH4- ECM Event Recorder- provides constant power to engine electronics
FH5- Service center- provides power to service center gauges, etc.
FH6- ECM relay - power for ECM relay
ECM RELAY- Provides ignition power to engine electronics

Unless there is some odd severe corrosion, the fuse boxes themselves rarely fail. If you do really need to replace that fuse box, about the only place that you will likely find one is RV junk yard like Colaws in MS.

Have they checked if there is power coming into the box (could be a bad connection or one of the larger disaster fuses blew. Back in August, you mentioned that you rolled the battery tray in and the engine died, so check the disaster fuses, and check that this fuse box is getting power. If it is getting power, the fuses inside the box and the proper function of the ECM relay needs to be checked. Another issue that has given at least one member a problem, is the wiring that goes to the remote starter switch that is located in the service bay. Those wires can corrode and I believe that there is another relay located behind that service panel. You need to crawl under the coach and look behind the service panel. The individual who had this problem, ended up spending a whole bunch of money trying to trace the issue, and they ended up running new wiring. He only later discovered that the problem was in front of his nose all along.  Try the remote start button, see if the engine will at least turn over.

Give us as much info as you can on how the problem developed and how the repairs/diagnostics have been attempted.
Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission














Group: Safarifriends Message: 39662 From: Gary Smith Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
John,
His original message says he is at the Cat dealer in Indianapolis with his '99 Panther C12.  Was towed there.

You may have hit on something.  If the transmission computer is not powered, the engine will not start, at least that is my understanding. 

As good as Dave is, I do not know how much he would know about that sealed box installed by SMC.  It is part of the coach wiring, and not CAT or Allison provided.  Probably made in-house by SMC.

Sounds like when he slid the battery tray closed (with engine running, and engine quit), that his problem is related to the cables between the battery banks that connect to everything, and that at least one cable was stretched or shorted out when the tray was slammed shut.  There is one heck of a mess of cables the get caught between the back side of the battery tray and the frame rail.  Some of those cables are relatively small wires. 

Gary
'98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:36 PM TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Dan,

Sealed or not, they should be able to repair it and reseal it, even if it is something as basic as loading the entrance point where the wires go in, with dielectric grease.
Have they the checked if there is power going into and out of the fuse box to all the proper circuits?
As Bill mentioned, have they checked the fuse in the Allison VIM (trans control box)?  If they have not, you need to get in there and check it yourself. Also, test the remote start button and the wiring running from that start button needs to be checked.  Consider calling Dave Atherton, he is a retired CAT Master Trouble shooter, and is really good, he dances circles around these young CAT technicians. His number is: 605 999 0720

Considering how expensive this is getting, you might want to consider having the technicians temporarily eliminate the fuse box and install waterproof inline fuses, at least to the circuits that are affected. Make sure they label those fuses.
If your are capable with basic electrical stuff, you can always opt to eventually find another used box and install it yourself.
Said to say, but most technicians are not very good with electrical stuff and the basic logic involved with it, they are just use to turning wrenches.

BTW, what region of the country are you located in?


John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John, Thanks for your reply.  The technicians at CAT say that some of the wires have been pulled loose from the fuse box.  Since it is sealed I don't think that they want to mess with it , but rather replace it.  I will forward this info to them and hopefully it will help.   The engine originally shut down  when I pushed the battery tray back in to the battery compartment. I must have tugged some wires loose or bumped against the fuse housing. It doesn't seem like it should be this complicated, but after 2 expensive tows , I am at the second repair facility, hoping that this issue can be resolved.  And yes it has already gotten expensive.
                               
Thanks

Dan Defenderfer
99 Continental Panther 425
CAT C12 Allison Transmission






From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Need Battery Control Box!!

 
Dan,

From what you are describing, it sounds like the box you are talking about is the small fuse box.

Here is info that I copied of a Zanzibar manual, which should be similar. It describes the what the relay and the circuts the fuses protect.
FUSE DESCRIPTIONS
FH1- Chassis solar panel
FH2- Coach solar panel
FH3- Transmission electronics
FH4- ECM Event Recorder- provides constant power to engine electronics
FH5- Service center- provides power to service center gauges, etc.
FH6- ECM relay - power for ECM relay
ECM RELAY- Provides ignition power to engine electronics

Unless there is some odd severe corrosion, the fuse boxes themselves rarely fail. If you do really need to replace that fuse box, about the only place that you will likely find one is RV junk yard like Colaws in MS.

Have they checked if there is power coming into the box (could be a bad connection or one of the larger disaster fuses blew. Back in August, you mentioned that you rolled the battery tray in and the engine died, so check the disaster fuses, and check that this fuse box is getting power. If it is getting power, the fuses inside the box and the proper function of the ECM relay needs to be checked. Another issue that has given at least one member a problem, is the wiring that goes to the remote starter switch that is located in the service bay. Those wires can corrode and I believe that there is another relay located behind that service panel. You need to crawl under the coach and look behind the service panel. The individual who had this problem, ended up spending a whole bunch of money trying to trace the issue, and they ended up running new wiring. He only later discovered that the problem was in front of his nose all along.  Try the remote start button, see if the engine will at least turn over.

Give us as much info as you can on how the problem developed and how the repairs/diagnostics have been attempted.
Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission
















--
Gary Smith
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39663 From: mel96safari Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: MacAllister CAT in Indianapolis (was: Need Battery Control Box)
John
You are correct.

In Dec of 2009, (at 106k miles), while traveling south for the winter, MacAllister Cat in Indianapolis, had my coach in their shop overnight to diagnose and correct an engine surge.

They replaced these 2 electronic components, which they said "they thought where bad":
1.) Cat p/n 167-1709 sensor, $129.38.
2.) Cat p/n 122-5053 IAP (injection activation pressure) control valve, $177.05.

The total cost to me was $1,075.98, (with $769.55 for diagnostics, labor and tax).

BTW after replacing those 2 parts they asked me if I wanted them to take my coach for a test drive, (for which they would have charged another $120.00).

Mel
'96 Sahara, 150K+ miles, 250hp 3126 Cat


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :


Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission









Group: Safarifriends Message: 39667 From: TD Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: MacAllister CAT in Indianapolis (was: Need Battery Control Box)
Mel,

Yes, that is why kind smart folks like Dave Atherton are worth their weight in GOLD!

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:09 PM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John
You are correct.

In Dec of 2009, (at 106k miles), while traveling south for the winter, MacAllister Cat in Indianapolis, had my coach in their shop overnight to diagnose and correct an engine surge.

They replaced these 2 electronic components, which they said "they thought where bad":
1.) Cat p/n 167-1709 sensor, $129.38.
2.) Cat p/n 122-5053 IAP (injection activation pressure) control valve, $177.05.

The total cost to me was $1,075.98, (with $769.55 for diagnostics, labor and tax).

BTW after replacing those 2 parts they asked me if I wanted them to take my coach for a test drive, (for which they would have charged another $120.00).

Mel
'96 Sahara, 150K+ miles, 250hp 3126 Cat


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :


Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission












Group: Safarifriends Message: 39671 From: Dan Defenderfer Date: 9/20/2018
Subject: Re: MacAllister CAT in Indianapolis (was: Need Battery Control Box)
Mel, Thanks for the tip .  I'll be careful!
Dan
99 Panther 425
51,000 miles Allison



From: "stuplich@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:03 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] MacAllister CAT in Indianapolis (was: Need Battery Control Box)

 
John
You are correct.

In Dec of 2009, (at 106k miles), while traveling south for the winter, MacAllister Cat in Indianapolis, had my coach in their shop overnight to diagnose and correct an engine surge.

They replaced these 2 electronic components, which they said "they thought where bad":
1.) Cat p/n 167-1709 sensor, $129.38.
2.) Cat p/n 122-5053 IAP (injection activation pressure) control valve, $177.05.

The total cost to me was $1,075.98, (with $769.55 for diagnostics, labor and tax).

BTW after replacing those 2 parts they asked me if I wanted them to take my coach for a test drive, (for which they would have charged another $120.00).

Mel
'96 Sahara, 150K+ miles, 250hp 3126 Cat


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <sdjhtm@...> wrote :


Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission











Group: Safarifriends Message: 39675 From: Dan Defenderfer Date: 9/20/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
John,  Thanks for the suggestions.  I went over there yesterday with everyone's advice via email in hand.  It seems they are moving in the right direction and will have things remedied for me soon.  I did however let another shop supposedly diagnose the problem initially  which was expensive and fruitless. This was Clarke Power in Indianapolis.  Since they didn't identify the issue and couldn't fix it I then had to arrange another tow to CAT.  This  basically doubled the cost (so far).  So you are right, they do not understand the wiring, they wanted the schematics, and claimed that they could not fix it.   At CAT however, they identified the problem and have a work around for it, so I am OK with where I'm at right now.  I'll keep you posted.

Dan D
99 Continental Panther
CAT C12 425
Allison Trans



From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Need Battery Control Box!!

 
Dan,

Sealed or not, they should be able to repair it and reseal it, even if it is something as basic as loading the entrance point where the wires go in, with dielectric grease.
Have they the checked if there is power going into and out of the fuse box to all the proper circuits?
As Bill mentioned, have they checked the fuse in the Allison VIM (trans control box)?  If they have not, you need to get in there and check it yourself. Also, test the remote start button and the wiring running from that start button needs to be checked.  Consider calling Dave Atherton, he is a retired CAT Master Trouble shooter, and is really good, he dances circles around these young CAT technicians. His number is: 605 999 0720

Considering how expensive this is getting, you might want to consider having the technicians temporarily eliminate the fuse box and install waterproof inline fuses, at least to the circuits that are affected. Make sure they label those fuses.
If your are capable with basic electrical stuff, you can always opt to eventually find another used box and install it yourself.
Said to say, but most technicians are not very good with electrical stuff and the basic logic involved with it, they are just use to turning wrenches.

BTW, what region of the country are you located in?


John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison



On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John, Thanks for your reply.  The technicians at CAT say that some of the wires have been pulled loose from the fuse box.  Since it is sealed I don't think that they want to mess with it , but rather replace it.  I will forward this info to them and hopefully it will help.   The engine originally shut down  when I pushed the battery tray back in to the battery compartment. I must have tugged some wires loose or bumped against the fuse housing. It doesn't seem like it should be this complicated, but after 2 expensive tows , I am at the second repair facility, hoping that this issue can be resolved.  And yes it has already gotten expensive.
                                
Thanks

Dan Defenderfer
99 Continental Panther 425
CAT C12 Allison Transmission






From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Need Battery Control Box!!

 
Dan,

From what you are describing, it sounds like the box you are talking about is the small fuse box.

Here is info that I copied of a Zanzibar manual, which should be similar. It describes the what the relay and the circuts the fuses protect.
FUSE DESCRIPTIONS
FH1- Chassis solar panel
FH2- Coach solar panel
FH3- Transmission electronics
FH4- ECM Event Recorder- provides constant power to engine electronics
FH5- Service center- provides power to service center gauges, etc.
FH6- ECM relay - power for ECM relay
ECM RELAY- Provides ignition power to engine electronics

Unless there is some odd severe corrosion, the fuse boxes themselves rarely fail. If you do really need to replace that fuse box, about the only place that you will likely find one is RV junk yard like Colaws in MS.

Have they checked if there is power coming into the box (could be a bad connection or one of the larger disaster fuses blew. Back in August, you mentioned that you rolled the battery tray in and the engine died, so check the disaster fuses, and check that this fuse box is getting power. If it is getting power, the fuses inside the box and the proper function of the ECM relay needs to be checked. Another issue that has given at least one member a problem, is the wiring that goes to the remote starter switch that is located in the service bay. Those wires can corrode and I believe that there is another relay located behind that service panel. You need to crawl under the coach and look behind the service panel. The individual who had this problem, ended up spending a whole bunch of money trying to trace the issue, and they ended up running new wiring. He only later discovered that the problem was in front of his nose all along.  Try the remote start button, see if the engine will at least turn over.

Give us as much info as you can on how the problem developed and how the repairs/diagnostics have been attempted.
Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission
















Group: Safarifriends Message: 39698 From: TD Date: 9/21/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
Dan,

On another note, do you have a roadside service plan(towing plan)?

If not, I would strongly suggest either Coach-net or Good Sams Roadside Service. Your initial tow would have costed nothing out of pocket and if the 1st shop could not fix it, then likely the 2nd tow would not have costed anything either.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,  Thanks for the suggestions.  I went over there yesterday with everyone's advice via email in hand.  It seems they are moving in the right direction and will have things remedied for me soon.  I did however let another shop supposedly diagnose the problem initially  which was expensive and fruitless. This was Clarke Power in Indianapolis.  Since they didn't identify the issue and couldn't fix it I then had to arrange another tow to CAT.  This  basically doubled the cost (so far).  So you are right, they do not understand the wiring, they wanted the schematics, and claimed that they could not fix it.   At CAT however, they identified the problem and have a work around for it, so I am OK with where I'm at right now.  I'll keep you posted.

Dan D
99 Continental Panther
CAT C12 425
Allison Trans



From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Need Battery Control Box!!

 
Dan,

Sealed or not, they should be able to repair it and reseal it, even if it is something as basic as loading the entrance point where the wires go in, with dielectric grease.
Have they the checked if there is power going into and out of the fuse box to all the proper circuits?
As Bill mentioned, have they checked the fuse in the Allison VIM (trans control box)?  If they have not, you need to get in there and check it yourself. Also, test the remote start button and the wiring running from that start button needs to be checked.  Consider calling Dave Atherton, he is a retired CAT Master Trouble shooter, and is really good, he dances circles around these young CAT technicians. His number is: 605 999 0720

Considering how expensive this is getting, you might want to consider having the technicians temporarily eliminate the fuse box and install waterproof inline fuses, at least to the circuits that are affected. Make sure they label those fuses.
If your are capable with basic electrical stuff, you can always opt to eventually find another used box and install it yourself.
Said to say, but most technicians are not very good with electrical stuff and the basic logic involved with it, they are just use to turning wrenches.

BTW, what region of the country are you located in?


John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John, Thanks for your reply.  The technicians at CAT say that some of the wires have been pulled loose from the fuse box.  Since it is sealed I don't think that they want to mess with it , but rather replace it.  I will forward this info to them and hopefully it will help.   The engine originally shut down  when I pushed the battery tray back in to the battery compartment. I must have tugged some wires loose or bumped against the fuse housing. It doesn't seem like it should be this complicated, but after 2 expensive tows , I am at the second repair facility, hoping that this issue can be resolved.  And yes it has already gotten expensive.
                                
Thanks

Dan Defenderfer
99 Continental Panther 425
CAT C12 Allison Transmission






From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Need Battery Control Box!!

 
Dan,

From what you are describing, it sounds like the box you are talking about is the small fuse box.

Here is info that I copied of a Zanzibar manual, which should be similar. It describes the what the relay and the circuts the fuses protect.
FUSE DESCRIPTIONS
FH1- Chassis solar panel
FH2- Coach solar panel
FH3- Transmission electronics
FH4- ECM Event Recorder- provides constant power to engine electronics
FH5- Service center- provides power to service center gauges, etc.
FH6- ECM relay - power for ECM relay
ECM RELAY- Provides ignition power to engine electronics

Unless there is some odd severe corrosion, the fuse boxes themselves rarely fail. If you do really need to replace that fuse box, about the only place that you will likely find one is RV junk yard like Colaws in MS.

Have they checked if there is power coming into the box (could be a bad connection or one of the larger disaster fuses blew. Back in August, you mentioned that you rolled the battery tray in and the engine died, so check the disaster fuses, and check that this fuse box is getting power. If it is getting power, the fuses inside the box and the proper function of the ECM relay needs to be checked. Another issue that has given at least one member a problem, is the wiring that goes to the remote starter switch that is located in the service bay. Those wires can corrode and I believe that there is another relay located behind that service panel. You need to crawl under the coach and look behind the service panel. The individual who had this problem, ended up spending a whole bunch of money trying to trace the issue, and they ended up running new wiring. He only later discovered that the problem was in front of his nose all along.  Try the remote start button, see if the engine will at least turn over.

Give us as much info as you can on how the problem developed and how the repairs/diagnostics have been attempted.
Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating.    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission



















Group: Safarifriends Message: 39702 From: Daniel Defenderfer Date: 9/22/2018
Subject: Re: Need Battery Control Box!!
John,
Thanks for the suggestion. I have emergency road service coverage on my insurance policy so I’ll be getting reimbursed for the tows.  I did look into Good Sams and AAA policies and while they would have covered my initial tow, they would not have covered a tow from one shop to another shop.

Dan D
99 Continental Panther
CAT C12 425
Allison Trans

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2018, at 8:52 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Dan,

On another note, do you have a roadside service plan(towing plan)?

If not, I would strongly suggest either Coach-net or Good Sams Roadside Service. Your initial tow would have costed nothing out of pocket and if the 1st shop could not fix it, then likely the 2nd tow would not have costed anything either.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


John,  Thanks for the suggestions.  I went over there yesterday with everyone's advice via email in hand.  It seems they are moving in the right direction and will have things remedied for me soon.  I did however let another shop supposedly diagnose the problem initially  which was expensive and fruitless. This was Clarke Power in Indianapolis.  Since they didn't identify the issue and couldn't fix it I then had to arrange another tow to CAT.  This  basically doubled the cost (so far).  So you are right, they do not understand the wiring, they wanted the schematics, and claimed that they could not fix it.   At CAT however, they identified the problem and have a work around for it, so I am OK with where I'm at right now.  I'll keep you posted.

Dan D
99 Continental Panther
CAT C12 425
Allison Trans



From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Need Battery Control Box!!

 
Dan,

Sealed or not, they should be able to repair it and reseal it, even if it is something as basic as loading the entrance point where the wires go in, with dielectric grease.
Have they the checked if there is power going into and out of the fuse box to all the proper circuits?
As Bill mentioned, have they checked the fuse in the Allison VIM (trans control box)?  If they have not, you need to get in there and check it yourself. Also, test the remote start button and the wiring running from that start button needs to be checked.  Consider calling Dave Atherton, he is a retired CAT Master Trouble shooter, and is really good, he dances circles around these young CAT technicians. His number is: 605 999 0720

Considering how expensive this is getting, you might want to consider having the technicians temporarily eliminate the fuse box and install waterproof inline fuses, at least to the circuits that are affected. Make sure they label those fuses.
If your are capable with basic electrical stuff, you can always opt to eventually find another used box and install it yourself.
Said to say, but most technicians are not very good with electrical stuff and the basic logic involved with it, they are just use to turning wrenches.

BTW, what region of the country are you located in?


John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison


On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


John, Thanks for your reply.  The technicians at CAT say that some of the wires have been pulled loose from the fuse box.  Since it is sealed I don't think that they want to mess with it , but rather replace it.  I will forward this info to them and hopefully it will help.   The engine originally shut down  when I pushed the battery tray back in to the battery compartment. I must have tugged some wires loose or bumped against the fuse housing. It doesn't seem like it should be this complicated, but after 2 expensive tows , I am at the second repair facility, hoping that this issue can be resolved.  And yes it has already gotten expensive.
                                
Thanks

Dan Defenderfer
99 Continental Panther 425
CAT C12 Allison Transmission






From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
To: "Dale Maggio dalemaggio@y." <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Need Battery Control Box!!

 
Dan,

From what you are describing, it sounds like the box you are talking about is the small fuse box.

Here is info that I copied of a Zanzibar manual, which should be similar. It describes the what the relay and the circuts the fuses protect.
FUSE DESCRIPTIONS
FH1- Chassis solar panel
FH2- Coach solar panel
FH3- Transmission electronics
FH4- ECM Event Recorder- provides constant power to engine electronics
FH5- Service center- provides power to service center gauges, etc.
FH6- ECM relay - power for ECM relay
ECM RELAY- Provides ignition power to engine electronics

Unless there is some odd severe corrosion, the fuse boxes themselves rarely fail. If you do really need to replace that fuse box, about the only place that you will likely find one is RV junk yard like Colaws in MS.

Have they checked if there is power coming into the box (could be a bad connection or one of the larger disaster fuses blew. Back in August, you mentioned that you rolled the battery tray in and the engine died, so check the disaster fuses, and check that this fuse box is getting power. If it is getting power, the fuses inside the box and the proper function of the ECM relay needs to be checked. Another issue that has given at least one member a problem, is the wiring that goes to the remote starter switch that is located in the service bay. Those wires can corrode and I believe that there is another relay located behind that service panel. You need to crawl under the coach and look behind the service panel. The individual who had this problem, ended up spending a whole bunch of money trying to trace the issue, and they ended up running new wiring. He only later discovered that the problem was in front of his nose all along.  Try the remote start button, see if the engine will at least turn over.

Give us as much info as you can on how the problem developed and how the repairs/diagnostics have been attempted.
Just an FYI, these CAT dealerships know their engines, but they are clueless on how our coaches are wired, and at $130+ per hr, hold on to your wallet.

John
95 Safari Serengeti 38'
300 Cummins 8.3CTA
6Spd Allison

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Dan Defenderfer bigdanno33@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


Dear Safari Friends,
                                   My coach is in need of a replacement battery control box,(electronic control box, electronic control module?).  It is a sealed, completely enclosed  box, silver in color, that has 5 fuses and a relay on the exterior, and is mounted above the house batteries in the rear battery compartment.  It has a pigtail that comes off one end. The only markings on the exterior of the box is a part number 2503150. The coach will not turn over,  starter will not engage, no lights on the transmission selector, although there are some dash lights (idiot lights) illuminating..    My coach is currently at Macallister CAT in Indianapolis, and they are running into problems finding a replacement part for it.  Any help or ideas anyone has out there would be greatly appreciated!


Dan Defenderfer
1999 Continental Panther 425
CAT C 12 , Allison Transmission



















Group: Safarifriends Message: 40602 From: Jamie Trinkle Date: 1/13/2019
Subject: Steering wheel
Anyone try to up grade their steering wheel?

Jamie
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41621 From: trunnellfamily Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Power steering gearbox
I have a 1996 safari that is now leaking horribly bad from the power steering gearbox directly under the steering wheel. It has a plastic seal over the left-hand side that is leaking. I have tried many things to get this thing to stop leaking but nothing has sealed that plastic little seal back up. I am burning through a gallon of power steering fluid a.k.a. transmission fluid in about 15 miles. This poses a serious problem.
I am open to suggestions including replacing the gearbox if anybody knows of a location that sells them?
I am currently traveling to North Carolina to Tennessee and have probably wasted $100 and transmission fluid trying to keep this system going wall troubleshooting and trying different solutions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I should note that the power steering works perfect as long as fluid is in it.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41622 From: fountking Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
These guys at Weller truck parts have worked with Manaco owners on IRV2 . Mostly on swap out of Sheppard gears for adjustable TRW gears but I think they can help with Shepard gear. I think yours will be a shepard m-80. There is no direct replacement for the m-80 to TRW. The shepard is rebuildable.
Weller has shops all over the country but you might be better to call this one first and then find one closer to you for help

Bob 96 Serengeti



1-616-724-3762.


John VanLaan
Team Leader Assistant
Steering Dept.
Weller Truck Parts
jvanlaan@...
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41623 From: Billy Massey Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
I just went through this last winter.  Problem is that the seal is blown in the gear.  You'll have to take it out and have the box rebuilt.  Cost me $369 and a week turnaround by https://www.steeringreman.com.  Found a guy locally that rebuilds them for that company.  That plastic cover is only that, just a dust cover. 

Box in my '98 Serengeti is a Sheppard - M80.  #07423726 inscribed around the output shaft. 

I understand they're very common in trucks, so a truck shop should be able to help while your on the road.

Good luck
Billy
37' '98 Serengeti in the Heart of Texas


On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:59 AM trunnellfamily@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I have a 1996 safari that is now leaking horribly bad from the power steering gearbox directly under the steering wheel. It has a plastic seal over the left-hand side that is leaking. I have tried many things to get this thing to stop leaking but nothing has sealed that plastic little seal back up. I am burning through a gallon of power steering fluid a.k.a. transmission fluid in about 15 miles. This poses a serious problem.
I am open to suggestions including replacing the gearbox if anybody knows of a location that sells them?
I am currently traveling to North Carolina to Tennessee and have probably wasted $100 and transmission fluid trying to keep this system going wall troubleshooting and trying different solutions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I should note that the power steering works perfect as long as fluid is in it.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 41636 From: Bill Edwards Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
Thanks for that info Billy. Hey where are you located?

Bill Edwards

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 6:32:42 AM MDT, Billy Massey bdub@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

I just went through this last winter.  Problem is that the seal is blown in the gear.  You'll have to take it out and have the box rebuilt.  Cost me $369 and a week turnaround by https://www.steeringreman.com.  Found a guy locally that rebuilds them for that company.  That plastic cover is only that, just a dust cover. 

Box in my '98 Serengeti is a Sheppard - M80.  #07423726 inscribed around the output shaft. 

I understand they're very common in trucks, so a truck shop should be able to help while your on the road.

Good luck
Billy
37' '98 Serengeti in the Heart of Texas


On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:59 AM trunnellfamily@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I have a 1996 safari that is now leaking horribly bad from the power steering gearbox directly under the steering wheel. It has a plastic seal over the left-hand side that is leaking. I have tried many things to get this thing to stop leaking but nothing has sealed that plastic little seal back up. I am burning through a gallon of power steering fluid a.k.a. transmission fluid in about 15 miles. This poses a serious problem.
I am open to suggestions including replacing the gearbox if anybody knows of a location that sells them?
I am currently traveling to North Carolina to Tennessee and have probably wasted $100 and transmission fluid trying to keep this system going wall troubleshooting and trying different solutions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I should note that the power steering works perfect as long as fluid is in it.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 41637 From: Bill Edwards Date: 5/17/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
Yea I got it after rereading Heart of Texas but wher is that exactly. Wondering how close I was this Feb as I traversed the state.

B

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 9:18:49 AM MDT, Bill Edwards <billedwardsrs@...> wrote:


Thanks for that info Billy. Hey where are you located?

Bill Edwards

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 6:32:42 AM MDT, Billy Massey bdub@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

I just went through this last winter.  Problem is that the seal is blown in the gear.  You'll have to take it out and have the box rebuilt.  Cost me $369 and a week turnaround by https://www.steeringreman.com.  Found a guy locally that rebuilds them for that company.  That plastic cover is only that, just a dust cover. 

Box in my '98 Serengeti is a Sheppard - M80.  #07423726 inscribed around the output shaft. 

I understand they're very common in trucks, so a truck shop should be able to help while your on the road.

Good luck
Billy
37' '98 Serengeti in the Heart of Texas


On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:59 AM trunnellfamily@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I have a 1996 safari that is now leaking horribly bad from the power steering gearbox directly under the steering wheel. It has a plastic seal over the left-hand side that is leaking. I have tried many things to get this thing to stop leaking but nothing has sealed that plastic little seal back up. I am burning through a gallon of power steering fluid a.k.a. transmission fluid in about 15 miles. This poses a serious problem.
I am open to suggestions including replacing the gearbox if anybody knows of a location that sells them?
I am currently traveling to North Carolina to Tennessee and have probably wasted $100 and transmission fluid trying to keep this system going wall troubleshooting and trying different solutions. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I should note that the power steering works perfect as long as fluid is in it.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 41641 From: trunnellfamily Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
Thank you for the information. I just ordered the seals kit for 50 bucks online. Where I am at, I cannot find anyone willing to work on it. I am going to have to do the rebuild myself.
I did find a manual online. I hope to upload it once I am back on a computer and not just a cellphone.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41643 From: TD Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: steering gear box
Trunnellfamily,

Here is an old re-post that might be of help to you. This is one of two that I will re-post.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd.

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Date: Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
To: <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>




Hi Guys,

We too had the steering gear box seals fail. Ours was very sudden and required immediate repair. We found a heavy truck service shop nearby and they removed, rebuilt, and reinstalled for us. The parts kit was very reasonable, and I can only brag about how well they took care of us. Our cat stayed in the coach and we stayed a couple nights in hotel across the street.  We were even allowed to stop in regularly to feed and water her. They laughingly said our gearbox was "cute", as they are used to working on much larger ones. As usual, Safari chose wisely by installing a very common heavy equipment steering gear box. This means any heavy truck shop can get parts and do the repair work because the boxes are made to be serviced. (as opposed to all of the throw away parts so common these days).

The shop's name: 
Sheppers International Truck Center
Jefferson City MO 800-962-6324

As a retired ASE certified Master tech I don't usually recommend any shops but I do love these guys. If you are ever in the middle of our country and need chassis, engine or transmission work check them out. Totally top notch!

I kept the docs from then if you end up needing part numbers or something let me know and I'll dig em up. 

Travis, Diana and Bob the cat
98 Z, 3126 cat & Alli 6

On Aug 4, 2017 5:20 PM, "Michael Trainham ujam2@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

matt, i ran into the same problem you have now.i was lucky that the seal which was leaking was on the outer left side near the drivers side wheel. i replaced the seal with the steering box still in place. if i ever have to fix any other leaks in the future i will have to remove the unit.which can be a bear. the problem is that they put an add on steel box on the frame to get the wheel as far to the left as possible.the problem is that there is no room to get a pitman arm puller (which is much larger than your usual auto type) in there to use. the bolts that hold that extension box on are right behind the ac radiator.which would also have to be pulled.guess i'll cross that bridge when i get there.no leaks now (knock on wood) but,who knows with a 20 year old coach. we love ours and would never get rid of it.we ran into another safari owners at a central va. bluegrass festival. rare here in the east coast. was fun looking at each others coach. top quality coaches.    mike & jenny t.   97  3540 sahara 3126  300 cat. 


On Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:34 PM, "mattmorris7979@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
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Well.  I climbed up under it and looked hard and realized the leak was coming from the power steering gear box.  so change of plans.  I almost have the gear box removed.  I figure once i get it off i can work on finding a replacement.  The pitman arm removal is unlike any i have seen before.

Matt
1994 safari continental




Group: Safarifriends Message: 41644 From: TD Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Fwd: [Safarifriends] Steering Gear [1 Attachment]
Trunnelfamily,

Here is the other post. Make sure to see the photos.

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd.

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Date: Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering Gear [1 Attachment]
To: <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>


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Gerald, I removed the leaking cover and replaced the bad seal. Tomorrow I'm going to reinstall it and the cover I fabricated from 3/16" steel. I'm hoping that solves my leaking gearbox problem. Thanks for the info. 
barryb
96 sahara


Group: Safarifriends Message: 41645 From: TD Date: 5/18/2019
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Trunnellfamily,

Here is another old post with info...

John
'95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, Cummins C8.3-300, Allison
6spd.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:21 PM jbrunson@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Recently had the same issue with my Beaver Monterey.  We got around the tow truck bill with five gallons of Dextron Mercon and refilling the thing every twenty miles.  A shop in Bessemer Alabama rebuilt my Sheppard M-80 gear while I waited (make an appointment) -- cost about $450.  Alabama Heavy Duty Truck in Troy Alabama did the R&R and adjusted the "Cut" for $240. 


I watched the guy tear into mine... there was nothing wrong except aging seals. Beaver Coach Sales in Bend report that is the case 99.9% of the time.  The important thing is something called a "Pin-code" stamped into the gear casting... you will need that if you order a remanufactured one.



Group: Safarifriends Message: 41659 From: deanshaw999 Date: 5/20/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering gearbox
I had to  have the seal replaced on my 1999 Safari Sahara while on a trip in Colorado.  It was also a Sheppard M80,  I ordered a seal kit 5543461 and had it repaired at a truck repair shop. Since it was leaking from the outside, left/driver side, they were able replace the seal without having to remove the whole unit.  I hope this helps and good luck.
Dean Shaw
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41719 From: trunnellfamily Date: 5/25/2019
Subject: Re: steering gear box
Thank you. Unfortunately this is not the case anymore. My Safari is in the shop now. It is expected to be there until late next week. I called over 40 shops and not a single one could get the right parts.
The item had to be shipped out and rebuilt as nobody seems to want to tackle the project on a part that is obsolete. So as of now, the RV is in Clarksville, IN getting repaired by the only shop willing to even try and do it.
I planned on doing it myself, but I did not have the tools to get the pitman arm off.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41924 From: keep_on_ko Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: Power steering fluid
Where is the power steering reservoir?
And what type of fluid do you use?

1996 Safari Sahara with a Cat engine.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41928 From: Bill Edwards Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering fluid
Dextron or compatible   Reservoir is most likely in the engine service bay rt rear

Bill Edwards
1999 Panther 
On Friday, June 28, 2019, 01:18:15 PM MDT, keep_on_ko@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Where is the power steering reservoir?
And what type of fluid do you use?

1996 Safari Sahara with a Cat engine.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 41930 From: James Exler Date: 6/28/2019
Subject: Re: Power steering fluid

Dextron 3 or equal. Newer Fluids are thinner and are not compatible.

Jim Exler

On 6/28/2019 4:17 PM, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
 
Dextron or compatible   Reservoir is most likely in the engine service bay rt rear

Bill Edwards
1999 Panther 
On Friday, June 28, 2019, 01:18:15 PM MDT, keep_on_ko@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

Where is the power steering reservoir?
And what type of fluid do you use?

1996 Safari Sahara with a Cat engine.




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Group: Safarifriends Message: 41953 From: mel96safari Date: 6/30/2019
Subject: Re: Power brake and steering fluid reservoir (was: Transmission flui
BobSome time ago there was a discussion here on Safaririends about repairing that reservoir.

If I remember correctly it was about replacing all three of the plastic hose barbs with metal hose barbs.


Image result for 3/4 npt to 1 inch hose barb
Oil Tank Leak Repair, (by jandlbrooks, dated Apr 21, 2007)

Mel
'96 Safari




---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <fountking@...> wrote :

My lines from the tank were leaking slow running down to the low point and dripping. The nipple where they connect was crushed flat by hose clamp. Mine is still slightly dripping. Wonder about finding a replacement tank.

Bob 96 Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41980 From: Robert Lewis Date: 7/7/2019
Subject: Re: Ower brake and steering fluid reservoir (was: Transmission fluid
Mel

Thank you for many posts with part numbers. I save them to OneNote on my phone so I can retrieve them in times of troubles (in this life of Motor homes I have had many). I installed the Intellitec switch you recommended, and it is a big improvement. It dropped the continous draw when the salesman switch was, on by about 3amps. A waste of power to just hold a relay on.

Robert and Bev Lewis
2000 Continental
3126B Cat, 330hp
MD3060 Allison

On June 30, 2019 8:58:02 AM "stuplich@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Bob

Some time ago there was a discussion here on Safaririends about repairing that reservoir.

If I remember correctly it was about replacing all three of the plastic hose barbs with metal hose barbs.


Image result for 3/4 npt to 1 inch hose barb
Oil Tank Leak Repair, (by jandlbrooks, dated Apr 21, 2007)

Mel
'96 Safari


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <fountking@...> wrote :

My lines from the tank were leaking slow running down to the low point and dripping. The nipple where they connect was crushed flat by hose clamp. Mine is still slightly dripping. Wonder about finding a replacement tank.

Bob 96 Serengeti