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Group: Safarifriends Message: 31880 From: glennbarney@rocketmail.com Date: 12/20/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31892 From: fountking Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31893 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31894 From: mel96safari Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Blue Streak alignment: (was: VevetRide steering/shocks)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31895 From: fountking Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Streak alignment: (was: VevetRide steering/shocks)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32031 From: barryboyette Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32565 From: mel96safari Date: 3/20/2017
Subject: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32567 From: saharajerry Date: 3/20/2017
Subject: Re: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32568 From: Pete Judd Date: 3/20/2017
Subject: Re: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32574 From: mel96safari Date: 3/21/2017
Subject: Re: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32578 From: Paul Pecnik Date: 3/21/2017
Subject: Re: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32580 From: mel96safari Date: 3/21/2017
Subject: Step motor (was: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35179 From: mattmorris7979 Date: 7/29/2017
Subject: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35185 From: mattmorris7979 Date: 7/29/2017
Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35187 From: mizzou_craig Date: 7/29/2017
Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35260 From: Michael Trainham Date: 8/4/2017
Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box [1 Attachment]
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35262 From: Travis hartzler Date: 8/4/2017
Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35845 From: nnyv57h7uze2pddsfedgv6apxsokfqkvrexhzc36 Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36091 From: ellisjte2000 Date: 9/18/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36094 From: TD Date: 9/18/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36095 From: Josh Addison Date: 9/18/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36097 From: ellisjte2000 Date: 9/19/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36186 From: Iman Inhabitant Date: 9/28/2017
Subject: Re: 1996 Sahara Fwd Fuse Boxes
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36243 From: ellisjte2000 Date: 10/2/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36244 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/2/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36245 From: ellisjte2000 Date: 10/2/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36247 From: matt morris Date: 10/2/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36253 From: 8d3b297e4f103e87dc030c54b9e65e1e Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36254 From: Dee Date: 10/3/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 36882 From: rsemko2077@gmail.com Date: 11/28/2017
Subject: TV Switch Box Advice
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37573 From: rsemko2077@gmail.com Date: 2/1/2018
Subject: Re: Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37580 From: Gerry Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37581 From: ron semko Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37583 From: Gerry Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37584 From: rsemko2077@gmail.com Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37585 From: ron semko Date: 2/2/2018
Subject: Re: Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37710 From: rsemko2077@gmail.com Date: 2/17/2018
Subject: Re: Steering Gear
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39226 From: chvet73 Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39227 From: ventus2b2001 Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39228 From: Bill Edwards Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39230 From: mel96safari Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39239 From: Paul Pecnik Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39240 From: chvet73 Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39241 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/15/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39242 From: technolog1 Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39246 From: Gerry Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39248 From: TD Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39256 From: ondaflore Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39259 From: Rob Lunday Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39261 From: mel96safari Date: 8/16/2018
Subject: Re: Align steering wheel



Group: Safarifriends Message: 31880 From: glennbarney@rocketmail.com Date: 12/20/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Hi John,

In answer to your question on my axle weights:

Front axle gross: 9,850lbs - left: 5,250lbs, right: 4,600lbs

Rear axle gross: 17,750lbs - left: 8,850lbs, right: 8,900lbs

Front tire air pressure set at 100psi, rear set at 95psi.

Tires are Toyo 255R70X22.5

Coach is a '97 Continental 40ft. with a slide-out. The slide-out likely accounts for the extra weight on the left front tire. It also has the forward mounted diesel generator., I haven't experienced any of the front end bouncing described by owners of shorter coaches. I also don't feel much effect from cross winds or passing trucks. In fact when passing or getting passed by a truck my coach is just as likely to dart toward the truck as away from it so I really have to stay on top of it. The coach just never wants to track in a straight line, its always diverting to the left or right, and always has to be steered back to the center of the lane. It doesn't really seem to be swaying, or tail waging either, as it may divert the same direction several times in a row.

Glenn
'97 Continental 4006/Cat 3126
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31892 From: fountking Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Just found my paperwork on my alignment check from Oct 2014.They did nothing with camber 0.4 left 0.0 right. Caster 3.4 left 3.6 right no change either.Toe was 0.24 left 0.27 right changed to 0.19 left 0.9 right.
It is not terrible to drive but you have to keep on it to stay in lane,I have put about 15,000 miles on since the alignment no tire wear.
I put the new Yokohamas on and it seems to wander about the same.Only drove about 20 miles back home.With no wear showing on old tires {about 40,000 miles} I am thinking the caster and the toe could be more aggressive.Ideas welcome.
my loaded for travel axle weight from last year Fl trip were 7400 front [9000] 16160 rear [19000] Jeep 4420 [4 down] gvcw 27980
 
Bob 96 Serengeti
Magnum Chassis
velvet ride
getting it ready to pull out in Feb for Fl
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31893 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: VevetRide steering/shocks
Bob.

Camber is fine (and not easily adjustable).

Caster:  I would add a 1 degree shim to left.  If it does not pull to the right, a 1 degree shim to the right as well.  If it does pull right, add a 1.25 or 1.5 degree shim to right.

Toe:  If the old tires with old, higher toe setting were not feathered, would go back with the old/higher toe settings.

What is your ride height at each wheel position: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Safarifriends/files/Torsilastic%20Ride%20Height/

The bottom document is where to start.

Brett
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31894 From: mel96safari Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Blue Streak alignment: (was: VevetRide steering/shocks)
Here are the alignment specs used on my '96 35 ft Sahara, (on the Magnum Blue Streak chassis), when I had the front end aligned in '01 and '07... (and again in 2015 after I found replaced 2 broken U-bolts on the right front spring):
Caster......4 degrees positive.
Camber...1/8 degree positive.
Toe in......1/8 inch.
Mel
'96 Sahara 3530, 148k miles, (121k mine).


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <fountking@...> wrote :

Just found my paperwork on my alignment check from Oct 2014.They did nothing with camber 0.4 left 0.0 right. Caster 3.4 left 3.6 right no change either.Toe was 0.24 left 0.27 right changed to 0.19 left 0.9 right.
It is not terrible to drive but you have to keep on it to stay in lane,I have put about 15,000 miles on since the alignment no tire wear.
I put the new Yokohamas on and it seems to wander about the same.Only drove about 20 miles back home.With no wear showing on old tires {about 40,000 miles} I am thinking the caster and the toe could be more aggressive.Ideas welcome.
my loaded for travel axle weight from last year Fl trip were 7400 front [9000] 16160 rear [19000] Jeep 4420 [4 down] gvcw 27980
 
Bob 96 Serengeti
Magnum Chassis
velvet ride
getting it ready to pull out in Feb for Fl
Group: Safarifriends Message: 31895 From: fountking Date: 12/26/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Streak alignment: (was: VevetRide steering/shocks)
Mel,those are the same numbers I have for fthe blue max chassis. I will probably try Bretts numbers but not sure if Iwill get them done before I leavein Feb
Bob 96 Serengeti
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32031 From: barryboyette Date: 1/10/2017
Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
Just an update on my steering gear: We finished installing the new overhauled unit a week or so ago and everything seems to be fine with it. No leaks and it seems to be working fine. I haven't driven it yet because the master cylinder is leaking pretty bad. The new one should be here Thursday so hopefully I can get it installed this weekend.  Ready to go camping then 😉
Barry Boyette 
 96 safari sahara 30 
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32565 From: mel96safari Date: 3/20/2017
Subject: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Try here: https://xa.yimg.com/df/Safarifriends/12v+Fuse+Block+%26+120v+Circuit+Breaker+Panel+Labels.docx?token=F3BZYIVl3cJWecghlCsQ84RYhKBQo6QDf4nZFM_be9tvE5IWXbA-l7zTH5habdogLnHNqZx2w8pO_oaPapy4BMI-fSXNwV-aATrBuqhNhNWMKtX7oLGCFSfuZJChNPWYzsU_5XHt23BxCNGrz5wtMMsS_M_c2JTzKVVE3D1ZfBJngUG06TylfA&type=download
Mel
'96 Sahara



---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <paulpecnik@...> wrote :

I'm missing the fuse box labeling for the number 3 fuse box. Any help with this would be much appreciated.  thanks



Group: Safarifriends Message: 32567 From: saharajerry Date: 3/20/2017
Subject: Re: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32568 From: Pete Judd Date: 3/20/2017
Subject: Re: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Link not working, I need this because of elect. problems



From: "stuplich@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:37 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)

 
I'm missing the fuse box labeling for the number 3 fuse box. Any help with this would be much appreciated.  thanks





Group: Safarifriends Message: 32574 From: mel96safari Date: 3/21/2017
Subject: Re: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
kd7lmq
Sorry about that.

You can find the '94 fuse panel labels in this pdf in the FILES section here on Safarifriends:12v Fuse Block & 120v Circuit Breaker Panel Labels.docx
(The fuse panels in your '96 will be similar.... if not the same).
Mel
'96 Safari


---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <kd7lmq@...> wrote :

Link not working, I need this because of elect. problems








Group: Safarifriends Message: 32578 From: Paul Pecnik Date: 3/21/2017
Subject: Re: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
As a new member i am very impressed with the response from a problem i am having with wiring ID. Since it's a 1996 model that i'm dealing with i'm sure there will be a lot more questions; such as where does one acquire the drive mechanism for the step?? Anyway,  Thanks to everyone for their input.   Paul
Group: Safarifriends Message: 32580 From: mel96safari Date: 3/21/2017
Subject: Step motor (was: Fuse Box Labels (was: 1996 sahara 36' safari)
Paul
Either of these Ford window lift motors are an exact replacement for the motor in my Kwikee electric step:
ACI p/n 83094...(new)
Cardone p/n 42-309...(rebuilt)
When my step motor failed, in 2010, (when my step motor failed),  I chose the new ACI p/n 83094 motor...($41.99 at nearby Advance Auto Parts store).

BTW, except for that 12V  motor, everything about my "2 step Kwikee electric step" Is original.

Mel
'96 Sahara, 148k miles

---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <paulpecnik@...> wrote :

As a new member i am very impressed with the response from a problem i am having with wiring ID. Since it's a 1996 model that i'm dealing with i'm sure there will be a lot more questions; such as where does one acquire the drive mechanism for the step?? Anyway,  Thanks to everyone for their input.   Paul
Group: Safarifriends Message: 35179 From: mattmorris7979 Date: 7/29/2017
Subject: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
Attachments :

    Well.  I climbed up under it and looked hard and realized the leak was coming from the power steering gear box.  so change of plans.  I almost have the gear box removed.  I figure once i get it off i can work on finding a replacement.  The pitman arm removal is unlike any i have seen before.


    Matt

    1994 safari continental

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 35185 From: mattmorris7979 Date: 7/29/2017
    Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
    This is what i learned about my power steering.  I have a Sheppard steering box M80.  They use this different nut to hold the pitman arm on.  Now i need to track one down or find out about a rebuild.

    Matt
    1994 safari continental
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 35187 From: mizzou_craig Date: 7/29/2017
    Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
    Matt,

    It's not real easy to search on this site but I located a couple of threads from others who have had similar issues and equipment as yours including a few resources for rebuilding.

    Perhaps you will find some information that will help you..   

    Craig
    97 Ivory 3126 CAT


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 35260 From: Michael Trainham Date: 8/4/2017
    Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box [1 Attachment]
    matt, i ran into the same problem you have now.i was lucky that the seal which was leaking was on the outer left side near the drivers side wheel. i replaced the seal with the steering box still in place. if i ever have to fix any other leaks in the future i will have to remove the unit.which can be a bear. the problem is that they put an add on steel box on the frame to get the wheel as far to the left as possible.the problem is that there is no room to get a pitman arm puller (which is much larger than your usual auto type) in there to use. the bolts that hold that extension box on are right behind the ac radiator.which would also have to be pulled.guess i'll cross that bridge when i get there.no leaks now (knock on wood) but,who knows with a 20 year old coach. we love ours and would never get rid of it.we ran into another safari owners at a central va. bluegrass festival. rare here in the east coast. was fun looking at each others coach. top quality coaches.    mike & jenny t.   97  3540 sahara 3126  300 cat. 


    On Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:34 PM, "mattmorris7979@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


     
    [Attachment(s) from mattmorris7979@... [Safarifriends] included below]
    Well.  I climbed up under it and looked hard and realized the leak was coming from the power steering gear box.  so change of plans.  I almost have the gear box removed.  I figure once i get it off i can work on finding a replacement.  The pitman arm removal is unlike any i have seen before.

    Matt
    1994 safari continental


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 35262 From: Travis hartzler Date: 8/4/2017
    Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
    Hi Guys,

    We too had the steering gear box seals fail. Ours was very sudden and required immediate repair. We found a heavy truck service shop nearby and they removed, rebuilt, and reinstalled for us. The parts kit was very reasonable, and I can only brag about how well they took care of us. Our cat stayed in the coach and we stayed a couple nights in hotel across the street.  We were even allowed to stop in regularly to feed and water her. They laughingly said our gearbox was "cute", as they are used to working on much larger ones. As usual, Safari chose wisely by installing a very common heavy equipment steering gear box. This means any heavy truck shop can get parts and do the repair work because the boxes are made to be serviced. (as opposed to all of the throw away parts so common these days).

    The shop's name: 
    Sheppers International Truck Center
    Jefferson City MO 800-962-6324

    As a retired ASE certified Master tech I don't usually recommend any shops but I do love these guys. If you are ever in the middle of our country and need chassis, engine or transmission work check them out. Totally top notch!

    I kept the docs from then if you end up needing part numbers or something let me know and I'll dig em up. 

    Travis, Diana and Bob the cat
    98 Z, 3126 cat & Alli 6

    On Aug 4, 2017 5:20 PM, "Michael Trainham ujam2@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    matt, i ran into the same problem you have now.i was lucky that the seal which was leaking was on the outer left side near the drivers side wheel. i replaced the seal with the steering box still in place. if i ever have to fix any other leaks in the future i will have to remove the unit.which can be a bear. the problem is that they put an add on steel box on the frame to get the wheel as far to the left as possible.the problem is that there is no room to get a pitman arm puller (which is much larger than your usual auto type) in there to use. the bolts that hold that extension box on are right behind the ac radiator.which would also have to be pulled.guess i'll cross that bridge when i get there.no leaks now (knock on wood) but,who knows with a 20 year old coach. we love ours and would never get rid of it.we ran into another safari owners at a central va. bluegrass festival. rare here in the east coast. was fun looking at each others coach. top quality coaches.    mike & jenny t.   97  3540 sahara 3126  300 cat. 


    On Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:34 PM, "mattmorris7979@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:


     
    [Attachment(s) from mattmorris7979@... [Safarifriends] included below]
    Well.  I climbed up under it and looked hard and realized the leak was coming from the power steering gear box.  so change of plans.  I almost have the gear box removed.  I figure once i get it off i can work on finding a replacement.  The pitman arm removal is unlike any i have seen before.

    Matt
    1994 safari continental


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 35845 From: nnyv57h7uze2pddsfedgv6apxsokfqkvrexhzc36 Date: 8/30/2017
    Subject: Re: was not hydroboost, was steering gear box
    I just pulled into a campground in Fort Collins CO 840 miles from home (MN) and found my steering leaking. I can't seem to find what exactly is leaking but this post sounded similar. Initial plan was to travel over the mountains in the morning but now I'm too nervous (wife and young kids with).

    I'm planning on calling a couple shops in the morning. I have a few pictures of what I'm seeing underneath in case anyone recognizes it as the same issue ( trying to figure out how to attach them with my phone), or if anyone has a recommendation on a shop in this area.

    Jared Lane 96 Safari Sahara 250 cat
    Thank you!
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36091 From: ellisjte2000 Date: 9/18/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
    Not to resurrect an old thread, but I'm glad I found this one.

    My steering box started hemorrhaging fluid in south Alabama on the way back to FL after Irma was over.  I ended up buying a reman M80-paw1 from Sheppard.  The part is on its way to the mechanic that's doing the work, so hopefully I'll run back to Dothan and pick it up this weekend.

    Between this thread and research the mechanic did we determined the correct part, and Sheppard had a core in stock to rebuild for me.  Set me back about 1100 with the 450$ core charge for the part.

    I do have a question though, the parking  brake wouldn't release when the truck came to tow it to the Mechanic, at this point the gear had been taken out already to try and acquire a replacement.  The tow truck driver pulled the drive shaft.  I'm assuming the parking brake is tied into the hydraboost?  Is that correct or do I have two problems?


    Jason Ellis
    97' Sahara
    250HP Cat
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36094 From: TD Date: 9/18/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
    Jason,

    It takes hydraulic pressure, from the same hydraulic system that circulates through the Sheppard steering box, to release the park brake. The engine needs to be running and the system in tact for the brake to release. Considrering that your steering box was removed already, there was no way to release the brake.

    John
    '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
    6spd.

    On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 5:21 PM, jason@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


    Not to resurrect an old thread, but I'm glad I found this one.

    My steering box started hemorrhaging fluid in south Alabama on the way back to FL after Irma was over.  I ended up buying a reman M80-paw1 from Sheppard.  The part is on its way to the mechanic that's doing the work, so hopefully I'll run back to Dothan and pick it up this weekend.

    Between this thread and research the mechanic did we determined the correct part, and Sheppard had a core in stock to rebuild for me.  Set me back about 1100 with the 450$ core charge for the part.

    I do have a question though, the parking  brake wouldn't release when the truck came to tow it to the Mechanic, at this point the gear had been taken out already to try and acquire a replacement.  The tow truck driver pulled the drive shaft.  I'm assuming the parking brake is tied into the hydraboost?  Is that correct or do I have two problems?


    Jason Ellis
    97' Sahara
    250HP Cat


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36095 From: Josh Addison Date: 9/18/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
    Yes. The parking brake is spring applied and hydraulically released. Hydraulic pressure comes from the power steering pump. 

    Without hydraulic pressure the parking brake will be fully applied. 

    Hope this is helpful!

    Josh Addison
    94 Ivory Edition 37’ 8.3 Cummins


    On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:21 PM, jason@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Not to resurrect an old thread, but I'm glad I found this one.

    My steering box started hemorrhaging fluid in south Alabama on the way back to FL after Irma was over.  I ended up buying a reman M80-paw1 from Sheppard.  The part is on its way to the mechanic that's doing the work, so hopefully I'll run back to Dothan and pick it up this weekend.

    Between this thread and research the mechanic did we determined the correct part, and Sheppard had a core in stock to rebuild for me.  Set me back about 1100 with the 450$ core charge for the part.

    I do have a question though, the parking  brake wouldn't release when the truck came to tow it to the Mechanic, at this point the gear had been taken out already to try and acquire a replacement.  The tow truck driver pulled the drive shaft.  I'm assuming the parking brake is tied into the hydraboost?  Is that correct or do I have two problems?


    Jason Ellis
    97' Sahara
    250HP Cat

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36097 From: ellisjte2000 Date: 9/19/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
    Thanks John, I thought that was the case.  The part was delivered to the place today, hopefully I'm heading back to Dothan to retrieve it on Friday!
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36186 From: Iman Inhabitant Date: 9/28/2017
    Subject: Re: 1996 Sahara Fwd Fuse Boxes
    Thanks a lot Dwayne!  Just what I needed.
    JH
     
    This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §2510-2521 and is legally privileged.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36243 From: ellisjte2000 Date: 10/2/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
    I went up to Dothan and retrieved the Sahara from the mechanic and made it home without further incident. 

    That new steering gear is smooth and quiet compared to the old one, and my parking brake works again... But my wallet took a pretty hefty hit.  The total bill for labor was $1300 to remove/replace the steering gear (fluid hoses etc) and re-install the driveshaft, does that sound about right?  A good chunk was the initial service call for which they billed 5 hours. 

    I'm pretty sure I should have had it towed in, but I was hoping it could have been fixed on the spot. 

    I really which this would have happened closer to home where I am reasonably sure I could have managed to do it myself, but that Murphy fellow had other plans!

    Jason Ellis
    97' Sahara
    250HP Cat
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36244 From: Gary Smith Date: 10/2/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
    Goodness, Jason, had you taken it to Alliance Coach in Wildwood the hourly rate is north of $140, same for Lazydays in Seffner.  What was their shop rate?  Sounds like you may have gotten a pretty good deal.  Obviously way more than a DIY job at home.  How much for the parts (where shops don't give you a break on price)? 

    I discovered a problem in 2015 that exhibited itself as a power steering fluid leak, and was diagnosed as coming from the hydroboost.  The shop could not get a replacement, so I drove on, and went through 3-4 gallons of  Power Steering Fluid over the next 6,000 miles, with attempts at other shops to get it fixed being unsuccessful as it progressively got worse.  My go-to guy at home (extremely qualified GM trained techs) said no problem, they could do, but were also unable to locate the part, even with me giving them the part numbers.  Went to my local O'Reilly about a mile from their shop in desperation, and they had me a Cardone rebuild the next morning.  Part was under $150.  Labor to install was close to $900, and took them 10 hours.  Located in a difficult place on a Trek.  Probably could be done in less than an hour on my Sahara.  Labor rates are high, and they have you over a barrel.  

    Lets hope the fix was well done and you don't have that problem again. 

    Gary
    '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

    On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 2:25 PM, jason@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    I went up to Dothan and retrieved the Sahara from the mechanic and made it home without further incident. 

    That new steering gear is smooth and quiet compared to the old one, and my parking brake works again... But my wallet took a pretty hefty hit.  The total bill for labor was $1300 to remove/replace the steering gear (fluid hoses etc) and re-install the driveshaft, does that sound about right?  A good chunk was the initial service call for which they billed 5 hours. 

    I'm pretty sure I should have had it towed in, but I was hoping it could have been fixed on the spot. 

    I really which this would have happened closer to home where I am reasonably sure I could have managed to do it myself, but that Murphy fellow had other plans!

    Jason Ellis
    97' Sahara
    250HP Cat




    --
    Gary Smith
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36245 From: ellisjte2000 Date: 10/2/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
    Hey Gary,

    It looks like they did a good job.  The part set me back 1100 including the 450 Core.  Of which I'll see about 400 back because of shipping cost.  At least I got Sheppard's shipping rate!  After I get the core refund total cost will be about 2000.

     I had to buy the part myself from Sheppard since they were having issues getting one delivered inside of two weeks (Sheppard had a reman out the door in 48 hours), but they charged me for hoses and fluid etc.  That didn't seem too bad when I went over the invoice.  Their rate is 98.50 an hour, which is pretty good compared to a lot of places, it just seemed like they charged a lot of man hours for the job vs. my expectation of 4-6 hours total.

    They had 5 hours for the initial service call, then another 6 hours, but I guess if they had 2 techs working the job, which they'd have to have for at least an hour of getting that big heffer in place then I guess it wasn't too bad.  I think it would have been a lot less had I just had it towed in to begin with vs. the service call. 

    Yeah I hope I'm set on significant repairs for a while!  We really are loving our Motorhome so far.  We're out and about every month at one of Florida's many parks.

    Jason Ellis
    97' Sahara
    250HP Cat
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36247 From: matt morris Date: 10/2/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
    I recently had to get mine fixed. Was pouring fluid. It was parked so no tow fee. I pulled it myself. Had it rebuilt in Portland for 600, and reinstalled it myself. Unfortunately I miscalculated and I installed the pitman arm one tooth off. Turned very far to the left and not far enough to the right. I drove it to a repair shop to adjust the pitman arm and alignment.  They tried to charge me for 6 hours. I only paid for 2.  I still had to remove and line up the steering wheel.  All in all I figured I had saved some money. It was not hard to reach on my safari continental.  If I had a pitman arm puller that was large enough, I could have done it all with the help of a friend.  

    I will also say that I believe there are rebuild kits for our hydroboost. When I thought that was the issue I bought one and from watching you tube vids planned on doing it myself. 
    They also sell the same on amazon. I did not do it as it was not the problem, but it sounded like it would work. 

    Matt
    Ex owner of
    1994 safari continental. 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Oct 2, 2017, at 1:27 PM, jason@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Hey Gary,

    It looks like they did a good job.  The part set me back 1100 including the 450 Core.  Of which I'll see about 400 back because of shipping cost.  At least I got Sheppard's shipping rate!  After I get the core refund total cost will be about 2000.

     I had to buy the part myself from Sheppard since they were having issues getting one delivered inside of two weeks (Sheppard had a reman out the door in 48 hours), but they charged me for hoses and fluid etc.  That didn't seem too bad when I went over the invoice.  Their rate is 98.50 an hour, which is pretty good compared to a lot of places, it just seemed like they charged a lot of man hours for the job vs. my expectation of 4-6 hours total.

    They had 5 hours for the initial service call, then another 6 hours, but I guess if they had 2 techs working the job, which they'd have to have for at least an hour of getting that big heffer in place then I guess it wasn't too bad.  I think it would have been a lot less had I just had it towed in to begin with vs. the service call. 

    Yeah I hope I'm set on significant repairs for a while!  We really are loving our Motorhome so far.  We're out and about every month at one of Florida's many parks.

    Jason Ellis
    97' Sahara
    250HP Cat

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36253 From: 8d3b297e4f103e87dc030c54b9e65e1e Date: 10/3/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear

    Recently had the same issue with my Beaver Monterey.  We got around the tow truck bill with five gallons of Dextron Mercon and refilling the thing every twenty miles.  A shop in Bessemer Alabama rebuilt my Sheppard M-80 gear while I waited (make an appointment) -- cost about $450.  Alabama Heavy Duty Truck in Troy Alabama did the R&R and adjusted the "Cut" for $240. 


    I watched the guy tear into mine... there was nothing wrong except aging seals. Beaver Coach Sales in Bend report that is the case 99.9% of the time.  The important thing is something called a "Pin-code" stamped into the gear casting... you will need that if you order a remanufactured one.

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36254 From: Dee Date: 10/3/2017
    Subject: Re: M 80 Steering Gear
    My 1990 Itasca Spirit A blew a fan belt when I stopped at a casino near Shelton, Wa for a pee break. On a Sunday, nothing open, so I had it towed to a truck shop 50 miles away. Thankfully, we had AAA. It cost $600 including replacing a pulley (which was wearing out the belt). Not too bad considering they had to try a half dozen belts for fit and it two mechanics to install it.

    On Oct 3, 2017, at 12:21 PM, jbrunson@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Recently had the same issue with my Beaver Monterey.  We got around the tow truck bill with five gallons of Dextron Mercon and refilling the thing every twenty miles.  A shop in Bessemer Alabama rebuilt my Sheppard M-80 gear while I waited (make an appointment) -- cost about $450.  Alabama Heavy Duty Truck in Troy Alabama did the R&R and adjusted the "Cut" for $240. 


    I watched the guy tear into mine... there was nothing wrong except aging seals. Beaver Coach Sales in Bend report that is the case 99.9% of the time.  The important thing is something called a "Pin-code" stamped into the gear casting... you will need that if you order a remanufactured one.

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 36882 From: rsemko2077@gmail.com Date: 11/28/2017
    Subject: TV Switch Box Advice
    Once again I come to this great group for guidance, thank the maker for all of you.

    I have a 98 Ivory 4006. The entertainment system was missing pieces when I purchased it in May/2017. One of the missing pieces was the TV switching box, so I have to purchase one. I've removed what remained of the Bose system, and there is just an empty cabinet now. I'd appreciate it if you'd advise which switch box to purchase.

    Please note:

    I've replaced the old Wineguard TV antenna with a new:
    KING OA8500 Jack HDTV Directional Over-the-Air Antenna with Mount and Signal Finder.

    I've also replaced the front and bedroom TV's with Flat Panel, and I will be adding a TV to the outside bottom bay in the near future (the bay with the TV hookup).

    I will need a switch box that will input: Over the Air Antenna, Park Cable, Satellite, and DVD to Front TV, Rear TV and Outside TV

    Additionally:

    It's my understanding that the original Satellite roof antenna is obsolete and is not comparable with either Dish or Direct TV. Whatever electronics that went with this dish were not on the coach when I purchased it, so It looks like I'll be replacing that at well, and any advise on this is more than welcome.

    My thought is to go with a portable unit that I can plug into the Park Cable connection in the Water Bay.

    Thanks in advance for all your help,
    Ron Semko
    1998 Safari Ivory 4006, 300 CAT 6 Spd. Allison


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37573 From: rsemko2077@gmail.com Date: 2/1/2018
    Subject: Re: Steering Gear
    Gerry,

    I found this old post of yours, and have the same problem you had. I crawled under today and it is leaking from the center plastic cap, just as you described in your post. I need to fix this ASAP, and your solution seems the fastest fix. I see where you said it stopped the leak. Is this a perm. or temp. fix?

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    Ron Semko
    98 Ivory 4006 3126 Cat. 6 Spd.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37580 From: Gerry Date: 2/2/2018
    Subject: Re: Steering Gear
    Ron,  That was at least 2 years ago and I have not had any further problems.  I bought the whole kit but only used 2 or 3 of the seals/orings.   I paid $100 on eBay which was a lot for just using 3 seals but was still a lot cheaper than a full rebuild and I was in a time crunch when I found the leak.  I cleaned out some grunge that had accumulated at the outer seal that I'm sure contributed to causing the leak.
    I recall that since then I saw a kit for just the outer seals that was cheaper but I don't recall where that was.  
    Good luck with your repair!
    Gerry
    1997 Sahara 


    Sent from my iPad

    On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:34 PM, rsemko2077@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gerry,

    I found this old post of yours, and have the same problem you had. I crawled under today and it is leaking from the center plastic cap, just as you described in your post. I need to fix this ASAP, and your solution seems the fastest fix. I see where you said it stopped the leak. Is this a perm. or temp. fix?

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    Ron Semko
    98 Ivory 4006 3126 Cat. 6 Spd.

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37581 From: ron semko Date: 2/2/2018
    Subject: Re: Steering Gear
    Gerry,

    Thanks for your quick reply. I appreciate it very much. I have a few more questions may I email you direct?

    Ron
    98 Ivory 4006 3126 CAT 6 Spd.

    On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Gerry brandipoole@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    Ron,  That was at least 2 years ago and I have not had any further problems.  I bought the whole kit but only used 2 or 3 of the seals/orings.   I paid $100 on eBay which was a lot for just using 3 seals but was still a lot cheaper than a full rebuild and I was in a time crunch when I found the leak.  I cleaned out some grunge that had accumulated at the outer seal that I'm sure contributed to causing the leak.
    I recall that since then I saw a kit for just the outer seals that was cheaper but I don't recall where that was.  
    Good luck with your repair!
    Gerry
    1997 Sahara 


    Sent from my iPad

    On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:34 PM, rsemko2077@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

     

    Gerry,

    I found this old post of yours, and have the same problem you had. I crawled under today and it is leaking from the center plastic cap, just as you described in your post. I need to fix this ASAP, and your solution seems the fastest fix. I see where you said it stopped the leak. Is this a perm. or temp. fix?

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    Ron Semko
    98 Ivory 4006 3126 Cat. 6 Spd.


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37583 From: Gerry Date: 2/2/2018
    Subject: Re: Steering Gear
    Ron, that's fine. I just got in from working on the old girl (the RV 😂).  I'll watch for your email.
    Gerry

    Sent from my iPad

    On Feb 2, 2018, at 10:11 AM, ron semko rsemko2077@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Gerry,

    Thanks for your quick reply. I appreciate it very much. I have a few more questions may I email you direct?

    Ron
    98 Ivory 4006 3126 CAT 6 Spd.

    On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Gerry brandipoole@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    Ron,  That was at least 2 years ago and I have not had any further problems.  I bought the whole kit but only used 2 or 3 of the seals/orings.   I paid $100 on eBay which was a lot for just using 3 seals but was still a lot cheaper than a full rebuild and I was in a time crunch when I found the leak.  I cleaned out some grunge that had accumulated at the outer seal that I'm sure contributed to causing the leak.
    I recall that since then I saw a kit for just the outer seals that was cheaper but I don't recall where that was.  
    Good luck with your repair!
    Gerry
    1997 Sahara 


    Sent from my iPad

    On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:34 PM, rsemko2077@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

     

    Gerry,

    I found this old post of yours, and have the same problem you had. I crawled under today and it is leaking from the center plastic cap, just as you described in your post. I need to fix this ASAP, and your solution seems the fastest fix. I see where you said it stopped the leak. Is this a perm. or temp. fix?

    Thanks in advance for your help.

    Ron Semko
    98 Ivory 4006 3126 Cat. 6 Spd.


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37584 From: rsemko2077@gmail.com Date: 2/2/2018
    Subject: Re: Steering Gear
    Gerry,

    Thanks for the email and help. Very much appreciated. I'm a fairly new owner of this 20 yr old Ivory, less than a year.

    I'm trying to get a handle on this repair. So please bare with me. If I read the thread right on Safari Friends, you originally invented the plate repair fix for the leaking plastic cap, and Barry was the one who replaced the seals and followed your lead on installing the plate as a backup in case it leaks again? Or do I have that backwards? I think I see where Barry told you about the kit on eBay, and you said you would order it. So, I wonder if your fix started leaking again, or if you just decided it best to replaced the seals?

    I'm asking that because I'm not a mechanic. I'm an old Air Force disabled vet. so I'm a bit concerned about getting into replacing the seals, unless it's a pretty simple task. I'd like to know what to expect before I open the steering case up. If it's no big deal or if I need special tools, and should be careful of springs etc.?

    I think I found the outer seal kit on eBay that you mentioned in your email to me for around $50.00. If this is the right seal kit please let me know:

    Link:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Safarifriends/conversations/topics/24065

    I apologize in advance for taking up so much of your time, and thank you for any insight you can give me with this task.

    Thanks,
    Ron
    Orlando, Florida
    98 Ivory 4006 3126 CAT 6 Spd.

    rsemko2077@...
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37585 From: ron semko Date: 2/2/2018
    Subject: Re: Steering Gear

    On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 4:19 PM, rsemko2077@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    Gerry,

    Thanks for the email and help. Very much appreciated. I'm a fairly new owner of this 20 yr old Ivory, less than a year.

    I'm trying to get a handle on this repair. So please bare with me. If I read the thread right on Safari Friends, you originally invented the plate repair fix for the leaking plastic cap, and Barry was the one who replaced the seals and followed your lead on installing the plate as a backup in case it leaks again? Or do I have that backwards? I think I see where Barry told you about the kit on eBay, and you said you would order it. So, I wonder if your fix started leaking again, or if you just decided it best to replaced the seals?

    I'm asking that because I'm not a mechanic. I'm an old Air Force disabled vet. so I'm a bit concerned about getting into replacing the seals, unless it's a pretty simple task. I'd like to know what to expect before I open the steering case up. If it's no big deal or if I need special tools, and should be careful of springs etc.?

    I think I found the outer seal kit on eBay that you mentioned in your email to me for around $50.00. If this is the right seal kit please let me know:

    Link:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/ groups/Safarifriends/ conversations/topics/24065

    I apologize in advance for taking up so much of your time, and thank you for any insight you can give me with this task.

    Thanks,
    Ron
    Orlando, Florida
    98 Ivory 4006 3126 CAT 6 Spd.

    rsemko2077@...


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37710 From: rsemko2077@gmail.com Date: 2/17/2018
    Subject: Re: Steering Gear
    Update on Steering Gear Leak

    First, this group is GREAT.

    My steering gear started leaking and my first step was this group. I found this thread and realized that others have had the same problem. First I thought the simple answer was as Gerry had described just installing a plate over the existing plate, but decided to ask Gerry how his "fix" worked out before I tried it. He informed me that it didn't, he ended up replacing the seals, and that the seals could be bought on eBay. Not being very mechanically inclined I exchanged many emails with Gerry about the procedure. Gerry offered a lot of guidance and helped me feel comfortable with the task. With the help of my son (I'm and old disabled vet) we completed the task, and I'm happy to report that my M-80 Sheppard steering gear is now dry and operating properly.

    One more thing, I could not remove the cover plate after the bolts were out. I remembered that Barry (in his write up above) had stated that he had the same problem removing his plate. His answer was to put the bolts back in half way, start his Safari, and let the hydraulic pressure pop the plate lose. So I followed his lead, and it worked perfectly.

    I can't thank you all enough for being here, and helping one another the way you all do.

    Thanks again,
    Ron Semko
    1998 Ivory CAT 3126B Allison 6 spd.
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39226 From: chvet73 Date: 8/15/2018
    Subject: Align steering wheel
    Just set my ride height and had front end aligned. Now my steering wheel is way off. I spoke to the shop and they said that the steering wheel would have to be removed to get it back centered.
    I have removed several steering wheels in my day. But this leads to 2 questions:

    1. Is the shop correct. Looking at the tie rod it appears they are as there are not to sets of sleeves like a car.
    2. How does the horn button come off? I don’t want to break it. Or is there another method to do this?

    Thanks for the help in advance,

    Mark
    --
    1999 Sahara 32’
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39227 From: ventus2b2001 Date: 8/15/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    I owned a front end shop and most all vehicles have a way to center the steering wheel. In my opinion a shop that lets the motor home leave with an off center steering wheel is incompetent and I would question the quality of the alignment. You wont know about that until the tires show premature ware and/or the handleing is bad.




    -----Original Message-----
    From: chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 3:36 am
    Subject: [Safarifriends] Align steering wheel

     
    Just set my ride height and had front end aligned. Now my steering wheel is way off. I spoke to the shop and they said that the steering wheel would have to be removed to get it back centered.
    I have removed several steering wheels in my day. But this leads to 2 questions:

    1. Is the shop correct. Looking at the tie rod it appears they are as there are not to sets of sleeves like a car.
    2. How does the horn button come off? I don’t want to break it. Or is there another method to do this?

    Thanks for the help in advance,

    Mark
    --
    1999 Sahara 32’
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39228 From: Bill Edwards Date: 8/15/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    The alignment was done incorrectly!! If you move the steering wheel now it will be a greater number of turning degrees one way than the other. In other words the steering wheel will not be centered on the steering box center point. It is their excuse not to do it over and correctly.
    If you paid with a credit card contest the charge.

    Bill Edwards
    1999 Panther
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39230 From: mel96safari Date: 8/15/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    Mark
    I agree with both Bill Edwards and <gliderg1@...>.

    I recommend you have the wheel alignment checked, (redone If necessary).... preferably at a  shop where they know how to center your steering wheel without removing it.

    Mel
    '96 Sahara

    ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <gliderg1@...> wrote :

    I owned a front end shop and most all vehicles have a way to center the steering wheel. In my opinion a shop that lets the motor home leave with an off center steering wheel is incompetent and I would question the quality of the alignment. You wont know about that until the tires show premature ware and/or the handleing is bad.




    -----Original Message-----
    From: chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 3:36 am
    Subject: [Safarifriends] Align steering wheel

     
    Just set my ride height and had front end aligned. Now my steering wheel is way off. I spoke to the shop and they said that the steering wheel would have to be removed to get it back centered.
    I have removed several steering wheels in my day. But this leads to 2 questions:

    1. Is the shop correct. Looking at the tie rod it appears they are as there are not to sets of sleeves like a car.
    2. How does the horn button come off? I don’t want to break it. Or is there another method to do this?

    Thanks for the help in advance,

    Mark
    --
    1999 Sahara 32’
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39239 From: Paul Pecnik Date: 8/15/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    You can check the wheel center yourself. Turn wheel all the way to one side or the other, now counting the revolutions turn to the stop the pther way. Example;  3 1/2 turns. Now turn it back 1 3/4 turns and it should be center. If not it's not center to the steering box.        Paul  1999 continental  panther 425 

    On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 2:40 PM stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
     

    Mark
    I agree with both Bill Edwards and <gliderg1@...>.

    I recommend you have the wheel alignment checked, (redone If necessary).... preferably at a  shop where they know how to center your steering wheel without removing it.

    Mel
    '96 Sahara

    ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <gliderg1@...> wrote :

    I owned a front end shop and most all vehicles have a way to center the steering wheel. In my opinion a shop that lets the motor home leave with an off center steering wheel is incompetent and I would question the quality of the alignment. You wont know about that until the tires show premature ware and/or the handleing is bad.




    -----Original Message-----
    From: chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 3:36 am
    Subject: [Safarifriends] Align steering wheel

     
    Just set my ride height and had front end aligned. Now my steering wheel is way off. I spoke to the shop and they said that the steering wheel would have to be removed to get it back centered.
    I have removed several steering wheels in my day. But this leads to 2 questions:

    1. Is the shop correct. Looking at the tie rod it appears they are as there are not to sets of sleeves like a car.
    2. How does the horn button come off? I don’t want to break it. Or is there another method to do this?

    Thanks for the help in advance,

    Mark
    --
    1999 Sahara 32’
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39240 From: chvet73 Date: 8/15/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    First of all, I want to thank everyone for the response on my question.

    I had extreme difficulty getting anyone to do this alignment and set the ride height.

    I would have done the ride height myself if I had a flat piece of concrete long enough to put the Sahara on so I could do the ride height correctly. These guys were willing to take on the job and read the directions I provided for the ride height. On a slightly uneven street my measurements showed that to level the coach shims needed to come out. And that’s exactly what they did. This shop does all the local fire departments work. I saw fire trucks there when my coach was being worked on. So I went in with some confidence.

    I am in agreement with everyone that they should have set the steering wheel. They obviously did not test drive it. But I do feel the alignment is most likely correct. Setting the toe is what moved the wheel.

    My issue has been wandering and road rut sensitivity. I have the Tiger Trak system. Koni shocks and an unknown brand steering stabilizer. My tires are brand new. They were part of the purchase. They are not of the quality I’d like but at the moment new tires is not happening. Their brand is Sampson. I do need to check tire pressures out.

    In looking into the steering issue I discovered that as I said earlier there is only one tie rod. So you can’t adjust the steering wheel with that once the toe is set.

    The only other adjustment is what I would call a drag link. It runs from the pitman arm to the left wheel. It appears to me that is where the steering wheel gets adjusted. So I’m wondering if any others with the Velvet Ride Suspension agree with that. The drag link should not have any effect on alignment as I see it.

    Once again thanks in advance for your help.

    Mark

    1999 Safari 32’
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39241 From: Duane Buck Date: 8/15/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    Mark,
    I've got a 96 30' Sahara, and they are known for being a challenge sometimes because of the short wheelbase.  This summer I got a pair of Centramatic Wheel balancers and installed them on the front wheels before we headed down to Disneyland, and the difference they made for me is night and day.  I only put on the front ones at the moment, but I will be installing the rear ones in the near future. 

    Last year I fought with our motorhome every time a big truck passed us, and most of the time when we were meeting them head on.  This year I was able to drive with one hand comfortably - something that was foreign last year since I had to constantly play with the steering to keep going straight down the road.  One other thing that I found was that my front tire pressure was way, way too high.  The place that installed them told the previous owner that they needed to be ran at their max pressure of 120 - which was causing me a lot of road wander as well.  I dropped them down to 68 per the load chart recommendations for my rig after we weighed it front and back and side to side - again a huge difference. 

    Just something for you to ponder and think about in your quest for better handling!

    Duane
    96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
    Spokane WA


    On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 9:24:56 PM PDT, chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


     

    First of all, I want to thank everyone for the response on my question.

    I had extreme difficulty getting anyone to do this alignment and set the ride height.

    I would have done the ride height myself if I had a flat piece of concrete long enough to put the Sahara on so I could do the ride height correctly. These guys were willing to take on the job and read the directions I provided for the ride height. On a slightly uneven street my measurements showed that to level the coach shims needed to come out. And that’s exactly what they did. This shop does all the local fire departments work. I saw fire trucks there when my coach was being worked on. So I went in with some confidence.

    I am in agreement with everyone that they should have set the steering wheel. They obviously did not test drive it. But I do feel the alignment is most likely correct. Setting the toe is what moved the wheel.

    My issue has been wandering and road rut sensitivity. I have the Tiger Trak system. Koni shocks and an unknown brand steering stabilizer. My tires are brand new. They were part of the purchase. They are not of the quality I’d like but at the moment new tires is not happening. Their brand is Sampson. I do need to check tire pressures out.

    In looking into the steering issue I discovered that as I said earlier there is only one tie rod. So you can’t adjust the steering wheel with that once the toe is set.

    The only other adjustment is what I would call a drag link. It runs from the pitman arm to the left wheel. It appears to me that is where the steering wheel gets adjusted. So I’m wondering if any others with the Velvet Ride Suspension agree with that. The drag link should not have any effect on alignment as I see it.

    Once again thanks in advance for your help.

    Mark

    1999 Safari 32’

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39242 From: technolog1 Date: 8/16/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    Hey, you said you have directions  for ride height,  can you pass those one.
    Craig cont 8.3c  6 sp



    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

    -------- Original message --------
    From: "Duane Buck dewey2501@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: 8/16/18 12:56 AM (GMT-06:00)
    To: "chvet73@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Align steering wheel

     

    Mark,
    I've got a 96 30' Sahara, and they are known for being a challenge sometimes because of the short wheelbase..  This summer I got a pair of Centramatic Wheel balancers and installed them on the front wheels before we headed down to Disneyland, and the difference they made for me is night and day.  I only put on the front ones at the moment, but I will be installing the rear ones in the near future. 

    Last year I fought with our motorhome every time a big truck passed us, and most of the time when we were meeting them head on.  This year I was able to drive with one hand comfortably - something that was foreign last year since I had to constantly play with the steering to keep going straight down the road.  One other thing that I found was that my front tire pressure was way, way too high.  The place that installed them told the previous owner that they needed to be ran at their max pressure of 120 - which was causing me a lot of road wander as well.  I dropped them down to 68 per the load chart recommendations for my rig after we weighed it front and back and side to side - again a huge difference. 

    Just something for you to ponder and think about in your quest for better handling!

    Duane
    96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spd
    Spokane WA


    On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 9:24:56 PM PDT, chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


     

    First of all, I want to thank everyone for the response on my question.

    I had extreme difficulty getting anyone to do this alignment and set the ride height.

    I would have done the ride height myself if I had a flat piece of concrete long enough to put the Sahara on so I could do the ride height correctly. These guys were willing to take on the job and read the directions I provided for the ride height. On a slightly uneven street my measurements showed that to level the coach shims needed to come out. And that’s exactly what they did. This shop does all the local fire departments work. I saw fire trucks there when my coach was being worked on. So I went in with some confidence.

    I am in agreement with everyone that they should have set the steering wheel. They obviously did not test drive it. But I do feel the alignment is most likely correct. Setting the toe is what moved the wheel.

    My issue has been wandering and road rut sensitivity. I have the Tiger Trak system. Koni shocks and an unknown brand steering stabilizer. My tires are brand new. They were part of the purchase. They are not of the quality I’d like but at the moment new tires is not happening. Their brand is Sampson. I do need to check tire pressures out.

    In looking into the steering issue I discovered that as I said earlier there is only one tie rod. So you can’t adjust the steering wheel with that once the toe is set.

    The only other adjustment is what I would call a drag link. It runs from the pitman arm to the left wheel. It appears to me that is where the steering wheel gets adjusted. So I’m wondering if any others with the Velvet Ride Suspension agree with that. The drag link should not have any effect on alignment as I see it.

    Once again thanks in advance for your help.

    Mark

    1999 Safari 32’

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39246 From: Gerry Date: 8/16/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    Mark, if your wheels are aligned, you just need to adjust the drag link bar (I think that's the correct term) to straighten the steering wheel.  With the wheels straight I removed the front end of the bar by removing the cotter pin and nut and prying it off with a pickle fork.  Loosen the nut at the adjustment point and shorten or lengthen the joint by turning the bar, depending on which way you need to move your steering wheel.  My drag bar has a curve near the rear end so when you put it back together make sure it is in the same angle as when you started.  
    Assemble the front end first and check your steering wheel, adjust again if necessary.  
    I have the M80 steering box.  If you have the same system it is not that difficult a job and you DO NOT need to remove the horn/steering wheel.  
    Gerry
    1997 Sahara

    Sent from my iPad

    On Aug 15, 2018, at 11:14 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Mark
    I agree with both Bill Edwards and <gliderg1@...>.

    I recommend you have the wheel alignment checked, (redone If necessary).... preferably at a  shop where they know how to center your steering wheel without removing it.

    Mel
    '96 Sahara

    ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <gliderg1@...> wrote :

    I owned a front end shop and most all vehicles have a way to center the steering wheel. In my opinion a shop that lets the motor home leave with an off center steering wheel is incompetent and I would question the quality of the alignment. You wont know about that until the tires show premature ware and/or the handleing is bad.




    -----Original Message-----
    From: chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 3:36 am
    Subject: [Safarifriends] Align steering wheel

     
    Just set my ride height and had front end aligned. Now my steering wheel is way off. I spoke to the shop and they said that the steering wheel would have to be removed to get it back centered.
    I have removed several steering wheels in my day. But this leads to 2 questions:

    1. Is the shop correct. Looking at the tie rod it appears they are as there are not to sets of sleeves like a car.
    2. How does the horn button come off? I don’t want to break it. Or is there another method to do this?

    Thanks for the help in advance,

    Mark
    --
    1999 Sahara 32’

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39248 From: TD Date: 8/16/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    Craig,

    Look in the files section. There is a great write up, with detailed
    pictures that will provide you the information you need to get the job
    done. If my memory serves me correctly, the author of this article is
    Lorne. Using his name in the files search might help you find it more
    quickly.

    John
    95 Safari Serengeti 38'
    300 Cummins 8.3CTA
    6Spd Allison

    On 8/16/18, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends]
    <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    > Hey, you said you have directions for ride height, can you pass those
    > one.Craig cont 8.3c 6 sp
    >
    >
    > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
    > -------- Original message --------From: "Duane Buck dewey2501@...
    > [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> Date: 8/16/18 12:56 AM
    > (GMT-06:00) To: "chvet73@... [Safarifriends]"
    > <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Align steering
    > wheel
    >
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    > Mark,I've got a 96 30' Sahara, and they are known for being a
    > challenge sometimes because of the short wheelbase.. This summer I got a
    > pair of Centramatic Wheel balancers and installed them on the front wheels
    > before we headed down to Disneyland, and the difference they made for me is
    > night and day. I only put on the front ones at the moment, but I will be
    > installing the rear ones in the near future.
    >
    > Last year I fought with our motorhome every time a big truck passed us, and
    > most of the time when we were meeting them head on. This year I was able to
    > drive with one hand comfortably - something that was foreign last year since
    > I had to constantly play with the steering to keep going straight down the
    > road. One other thing that I found was that my front tire pressure was way,
    > way too high. The place that installed them told the previous owner that
    > they needed to be ran at their max pressure of 120 - which was causing me a
    > lot of road wander as well. I dropped them down to 68 per the load chart
    > recommendations for my rig after we weighed it front and back and side to
    > side - again a huge difference.
    >
    > Just something for you to ponder and think about in your quest for better
    > handling!
    > Duane96 30' Sahara, 250hp Cat, Allison 6spdSpokane WA
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, 9:24:56 PM PDT,
    > chvet73@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > First of all, I want to thank everyone for the response on my
    > question.
    >
    >
    >
    > I had extreme difficulty getting anyone to do this alignment and set the
    > ride height.
    >
    >
    >
    > I would have done the ride height myself if I had a flat piece of concrete
    > long enough to put the Sahara on so I could do the ride height correctly.
    > These guys were willing to take on the job and read the directions I
    > provided for the ride height. On a slightly uneven street my measurements
    > showed that to level the coach shims needed to come out. And that’s exactly
    > what they did. This shop does all the local fire departments work. I saw
    > fire trucks there when my coach was being worked on. So I went in with some
    > confidence.
    >
    >
    >
    > I am in agreement with everyone that they should have set the steering
    > wheel. They obviously did not test drive it. But I do feel the alignment
    > is most likely correct. Setting the toe is what moved the wheel.
    >
    >
    >
    > My issue has been wandering and road rut sensitivity. I have the Tiger Trak
    > system. Koni shocks and an unknown brand steering stabilizer. My tires are
    > brand new. They were part of the purchase. They are not of the quality I’d
    > like but at the moment new tires is not happening. Their brand is Sampson.
    > I do need to check tire pressures out.
    >
    >
    >
    > In looking into the steering issue I discovered that as I said earlier there
    > is only one tie rod. So you can’t adjust the steering wheel with that once
    > the toe is set.
    >
    >
    >
    > The only other adjustment is what I would call a drag link. It runs from the
    > pitman arm to the left wheel. It appears to me that is where the steering
    > wheel gets adjusted. So I’m wondering if any others with the Velvet Ride
    > Suspension agree with that. The drag link should not have any effect on
    > alignment as I see it.
    >
    >
    >
    > Once again thanks in advance for your help.
    >
    >
    >
    > Mark
    >
    >
    >
    > 1999 Safari 32’
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39256 From: ondaflore Date: 8/16/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    Duane,

    When you say " I dropped them (front tires) down to 68 per the load chart recommendations for my rig", I hope you are not referring to the Safari factory information placard.  Tire pressure recommendations vary from one manufacturer to the next as well as different tire lines from the same manufacturer.  Google "load and inflation tables" for your brand of tire, or search on the manufacturer's truck tire website.  Use your weight data and the correct inflation tables to determine your correct tire pressures.

    Bob
    2001 Zanzibar 
    Firestone FS 560 tires
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39259 From: Rob Lunday Date: 8/16/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    As mine sits on a magnum chassis but I’m not sure what yours is on.
    Post a picture of the steering wheel and I will gladly suggest where I would start efforts to accessing the shaft nut.

    Some thoughts after reading this post. I believe that there is a relay and idler arm that is between the tie rod and the steering box. Any corrections made to aligning the steering wheel on this type of system should be made at the adjustments given on that relay rod. The steering box and idler arm I don’t lower arm are just two of the components that are designed to be in a more durable at center, which would be removed if it was misadjusted by correcting center at the wrong location. Some components are also designed with locating pins or offset teeth to keep this from happening.
    WHILE my front end and alignment experience is on light truck and automotive the basic principles of measurements and how they are adjusted and corrected are the same. From what I read there are other individuals that from the tone of conversation have a good understanding on these items as well. I would suggest that you post a copy of the alignment spec sheet that you were given that has the actual measurements of your vehicle after adjustment and the specs for the vehicles that were used for us to evaluate and give feedback. It is possible that the vehicle has all the right adjustments made other than steering wheel angle, which is easily corrected, or it’s possible that the alignment is not up to specs to begin with and they need to start over again. Either way I would suggest giving them one opportunity to make the situation correct, and going into that opportunity knowing full well what needs to be done.

    Sadly good suspension And front end mechanics are becoming FEWER and FEWER causing most shops to turn out in complete poor quality work.

    ROB LUNDAY



    Sent from my iPhone
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 39261 From: mel96safari Date: 8/16/2018
    Subject: Re: Align steering wheel
    Rob
    Your what make/model/year coach sits on a magnum chassis?
    Please include some coach information in your signature.
    Thanks.
    Mel
    '96 Sahara


    ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <robsandfreak@...> wrote :

    As mine sits on a magnum chassis but I’m not sure what yours is on.
    Post a picture of the steering wheel and I will gladly suggest where I would start efforts to accessing the shaft nut.

    ROB LUNDAY