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Group: Safarifriends Message: 11760 From: Sherry Date: 3/11/2011
Subject: Finding a good repair shop (was Re: Steering Wheel is cocked?????)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 11772 From: Slim Chestnut Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Steering Wheel is cocked
Group: Safarifriends Message: 11777 From: lstinaz@hotmail.com Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel is cocked
Group: Safarifriends Message: 11779 From: John Rushton Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel is cocked
Group: Safarifriends Message: 11789 From: Slim Chestnut Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Steering wheel cocked
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13622 From: JL Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Test of Box.net
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13623 From: hhunter1950@juno.com Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Test of Box.net
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14788 From: ART Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14798 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 10/2/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14812 From: Sherry Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14813 From: Norm Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14817 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14819 From: slim_chestnut Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14820 From: Norm Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14821 From: Paul Barger Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14822 From: Norm Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14824 From: Al Date: 10/3/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14826 From: Joe Gill Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14827 From: Joe Gill Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14828 From: Joe Gill Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14829 From: Al Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14832 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14837 From: dddugger9@q.com Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14851 From: ART Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14856 From: mutiger1947 Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14857 From: dddugger9@q.com Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14858 From: slim_chestnut Date: 10/4/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14860 From: slim_chestnut Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14862 From: KarenInTheWoods Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14863 From: Paul Barger Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14864 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Brake Confusion / was Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14867 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14868 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Brake Confusion / was Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14869 From: Sherry Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14871 From: Norm Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14872 From: Norm Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14873 From: TheMopedWhiz Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14874 From: Norm Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14876 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Master cylinder / was Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14877 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 10/5/2011
Subject: Re: Brake Confusion / was Steering/Brake Loss
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14940 From: Jonathan Buerck Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Power Steering Leak
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14944 From: Herb Sweet Date: 10/10/2011
Subject: Re: Power Steering Leak
Group: Safarifriends Message: 14956 From: Paul Barger Date: 10/11/2011
Subject: Re: Power Steering Leak
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16281 From: cvansick Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Brake and steering feedback
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16283 From: ART Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Brake and steering feedback
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16284 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Brake and steering feedback
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16285 From: ART Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Brake and steering feedback
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16286 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
Subject: Re: Brake and steering feedback
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16534 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 4/1/2012
Subject: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16538 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer



Group: Safarifriends Message: 11760 From: Sherry Date: 3/11/2011
Subject: Finding a good repair shop (was Re: Steering Wheel is cocked?????)
Please report this shop on RVSerivceReviews.com! It's the only way we all can help fellow RVers avoid poor service since we tend to be a long way from home when something needs repair. Also, please report all the good shops! And to everyone else, regardless of when the service was done, please file your reports on good (and bad) repair facilities you've used.

Thanks!

Sherry
98 Serengeti 4066

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, lstinaz@... wrote:
>
> Yes Mel I agree seems they are more interested in getting paid than providing service. I have located a shop with excellent reviews to have the alignment completed.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 11772 From: Slim Chestnut Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Steering Wheel is cocked
Lisa,

I completely agree with the others. Part of a professional alignment is to make sure the wheel is centered after the job is done. they owe you an adjustment and should not take too long to do it.

PS: except for the steering wheel you got a decent price. Just the fluids alone cost around $300-$400 if they changed the tranny and the filters are not cheap plus they actually re-bushed and re-sealed the steering box. Labor s around $85-$100/hour.

Perhaps they just overlooked the steering wheel tweak! Be firm but nice and get it adjusted.

Slim


--
Got good friends and a loving family? You are wealthy.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 11777 From: lstinaz@hotmail.com Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel is cocked
After I picked it up I could't even tell the wheel was not perfectly straight. If they hadn't told me I wouldn't had thought anything. It actually drives much nicer lot less road wander. They let us drive it before we paid and the tranny shifts much better and more power. Just being a hysterical new owner I guess. I will add this shop as a trusted shop on reviews. And I will be getting the alignment soon. Thanks for the comments I appreciate the support!
Lisa
97 Trek Diesel

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From: Slim Chestnut <togocotton@...>
Sender: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:16:00 -0600
To: <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Wheel is cocked

 

Lisa,

I completely agree with the others. Part of a professional alignment is to make sure the wheel is centered after the job is done. they owe you an adjustment and should not take too long to do it.

PS: except for the steering wheel you got a decent price. Just the fluids alone cost around $300-$400 if they changed the tranny and the filters are not cheap plus they actually re-bushed and re-sealed the steering box. Labor s around $85-$100/hour.

Perhaps they just overlooked the steering wheel tweak! Be firm but nice and get it adjusted.

Slim


--
Got good friends and a loving family? You are wealthy.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 11779 From: John Rushton Date: 3/12/2011
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel is cocked
That kind of puts a different outlook on the situation.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:52 PM, <lstinaz@...> wrote:
 

After I picked it up I could't even tell the wheel was not perfectly straight. If they hadn't told me I wouldn't had thought anything. It actually drives much nicer lot less road wander. They let us drive it before we paid and the tranny shifts much better and more power. Just being a hysterical new owner I guess. I will add this shop as a trusted shop on reviews. And I will be getting the alignment soon. Thanks for the comments I appreciate the support!
Lisa
97 Trek Diesel

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From: Slim Chestnut <togocotton@...>
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:16:00 -0600
Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Wheel is cocked

 

Lisa,

I completely agree with the others. Part of a professional alignment is to make sure the wheel is centered after the job is done. they owe you an adjustment and should not take too long to do it.

PS: except for the steering wheel you got a decent price. Just the fluids alone cost around $300-$400 if they changed the tranny and the filters are not cheap plus they actually re-bushed and re-sealed the steering box. Labor s around $85-$100/hour.

Perhaps they just overlooked the steering wheel tweak! Be firm but nice and get it adjusted.

Slim


--
Got good friends and a loving family? You are wealthy.


Group: Safarifriends Message: 11789 From: Slim Chestnut Date: 3/13/2011
Subject: Steering wheel cocked
Whoa!!!! you did not say it was hardly noticeable when you picked it up. That does not sound negligent to me.

FYI, the steering wheel can normlly only be close to straight on the dead level. The groves in the column allow adjusgments of around 3-6 degrees [+-]. On  a normal road with some crown and slope the steering wheel SHOULD have a slight amount of tilt, reflecting the road surface.

--
Got good friends and a loving family? You are wealthy.

Group: Safarifriends Message: 13622 From: JL Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Test of Box.net
Hello all,

This is a test to see if you can access a file on the net and to see if you can upload to it. Kinda like some of the photo sharing sites, but this is for files instead of photos.

The web site is box.net. A place where you can store files and they can be accessed by others. I opened a account and created a folder called Safari Stuff. I stuck a jpg of a Onan Regulator in it and a pdf of the fuse box's

This is the link to the folder of the Onan

http://www.box.net/shared/c338r9rneexc7p3kuyd0

Let me know if you can get to it and if you can download some files there. The idea is since our files section here is full, maybe this would be a place we could park some stuff. Maybe there would need to be several different files. There is only a 5G limit for free.

Thanks Jim
'96 Sahara
Group: Safarifriends Message: 13623 From: hhunter1950@juno.com Date: 7/22/2011
Subject: Re: Test of Box.net
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    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [Safarifriends] Test of Box.net
    Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 00:19:44 -0000

    worked great for me.

    hhunter1950
    96 40'safari serengheti 300hp miata tag

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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14788 From: ART Date: 10/2/2011
    Subject: Steering/Brake Loss
    For regular followers of the forum, think back on the "Fat, Dumb and Happy" and the "stalling engine affecting brakes/steering" threads. 
     
    On our current trip from Louisiana to Oregon coast and back, had a little disappointment in Yellowstone Park.  Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road.  A Park Ranger was actually meeting me when this happened and helped with the other traffic.
     
    Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost.  5 days, 3 different mechanics, 3 different cities and about $1200 later, we got under way again.
     
    My point is, no amount of preventative maintenance or checking could have predicted or prevented this.  Also a surprise to me was that the fluid source for the steering and brakes is the ATF reservoir for the Allision tranny.  Had to add over 2 gals to get going again.
     
    Art
    96 Seren, 3750, 3126
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14798 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 10/2/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Fat Dumb and Happy?
    I resemble that remark! :)
    Mel

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@...> wrote:
    >
    > For regular followers of the forum, think back on the "Fat, Dumb and Happy" and the "stalling engine affecting brakes/steering" threads. 
    >  
    > On our current trip from Louisiana to Oregon coast and back, had a little disappointment in Yellowstone Park.  Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road.  A Park Ranger was actually meeting me when this happened and helped with the other traffic.
    >  
    > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost.  5 days, 3 different mechanics, 3 different cities and about $1200 later, we got under way again.
    >  
    > My point is, no amount of preventative maintenance or checking could have predicted or prevented this.  Also a surprise to me was that the fluid source for the steering and brakes is the ATF reservoir for the Allision tranny.  Had to add over 2 gals to get going again.
    >  
    > Art
    > 96 Seren, 3750, 3126
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14812 From: Sherry Date: 10/3/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny! Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)

    Sherry
    98 Serengeti 4066

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@...> wrote:
    >
    Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road. 
    >  
    > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost. 
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14813 From: Norm Date: 10/3/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Well, I'm not sure I can be Fat Dumb and Happy anymore with the possibility of loosing both brakes and steering at the same time.  I'm thinking seriously of moving to a 5th wheel and P/U.  I don't think any P/U would have that problem.  Not happy with having to find a mechanic that can fit under the bed to work on this thing either, especially since I'm living in it full time.  Shame though since I love so much about this unit; Hurricane heating system, powered awning, 2000 inverter, MotoSat automatic satellite antenna, U-line ice maker, great refrigerator, and on and on.  

    Anyone out there interested in taking this thing off my hands?  1998 40' Serengeti Xi Limited Edition with 120,540 miles on it.  Located on Whidbey Island in Washington state.  Details to anyone interested by PM.  

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Sherry wrote:

     

    Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny! Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)

    Sherry
    98 Serengeti 4066

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@...> wrote:
    >
    Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road. 
    >  
    > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost. 


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14817 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 10/3/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Norm, you are going down a hill with your 5th wheel and truck. For what ever reason your engine quits. You have no brakes or power steering.

    Now, in your M/H, you will have brakes due to the electric motor that provides brake boost.

    Pls, reconsider.

    Jim
    '96 Sahara

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Norm <Norm500@...> wrote:
    >
    > Well, I'm not sure I can be Fat Dumb and Happy anymore with the possibility of loosing both brakes and steering at the same time. I'm thinking seriously of moving to a 5th wheel and P/U. I don't think any P/U would have that problem. Not happy with having to find a mechanic that can fit under the bed to work on this thing either, especially since I'm living in it full time. Shame though since I love so much about this unit; Hurricane heating system, powered awning, 2000 inverter, MotoSat automatic satellite antenna, U-line ice maker, great refrigerator, and on and on.
    >
    > Anyone out there interested in taking this thing off my hands? 1998 40' Serengeti Xi Limited Edition with 120,540 miles on it. Located on Whidbey Island in Washington state. Details to anyone interested by PM.
    >
    > Norm
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 3, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Sherry wrote:
    >
    > > Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny! Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)
    > >
    > > Sherry
    > > 98 Serengeti 4066
    > >
    > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering. With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road.
    > > >
    > > > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost.
    > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14819 From: slim_chestnut Date: 10/3/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Well said Jim,

    I recently tried to explain that to a friend who thought "saving money" by buying a pull behind trailer was the thing to do. Of course his trailer does have automatic break-away brakes...

    Slim

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
    >
    > Norm, you are going down a hill with your 5th wheel and truck. For what ever reason your engine quits. You have no brakes or power steering.
    >
    > Now, in your M/H, you will have brakes due to the electric motor that provides brake boost.
    >
    > Pls, reconsider.
    >
    > Jim
    > '96 Sahara
    >
    > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Norm <Norm500@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Well, I'm not sure I can be Fat Dumb and Happy anymore with the possibility of loosing both brakes and steering at the same time. I'm thinking seriously of moving to a 5th wheel and P/U. I don't think any P/U would have that problem. Not happy with having to find a mechanic that can fit under the bed to work on this thing either, especially since I'm living in it full time. Shame though since I love so much about this unit; Hurricane heating system, powered awning, 2000 inverter, MotoSat automatic satellite antenna, U-line ice maker, great refrigerator, and on and on.
    > >
    > > Anyone out there interested in taking this thing off my hands? 1998 40' Serengeti Xi Limited Edition with 120,540 miles on it. Located on Whidbey Island in Washington state. Details to anyone interested by PM.
    > >
    > > Norm
    > > From the Hermitmobile
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Sherry wrote:
    > >
    > > > Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny! Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)
    > > >
    > > > Sherry
    > > > 98 Serengeti 4066
    > > >
    > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering. With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road.
    > > > >
    > > > > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost.
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14820 From: Norm Date: 10/3/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  

    Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14821 From: Paul Barger Date: 10/3/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Norm,
    I say go with what makes you happy. Safety is important, a friend of mine would rather drive his dully and pull a 5th wheel all over creation. Matter of fact he is also from Washington state. He likes to be able to unhook and drive off in his truck if he needs to. He said he is happier with a 5th wheel.
    If you feel more comfortable in a truck by all means do that just as long as you are still out there.
    I was told the same thing after wrecking on my Harley. I could never afford to get another one. I chose to drive a Jeep Wrangler, I still get my face in the I wind just go about it a different way.
     
    God Bless in any decision you make.
     
    Paul
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Norm
    Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     

    Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  


    Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14822 From: Norm Date: 10/3/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Paul,
    Sorry to hear your crash on your Harley ended your riding.  At nearly 80 I sometimes feel that my weakened legs are going to cause me to drop a bike just parking it.  Currently have four bikes, an old BMW airhead, a 1100cc Moto Guzzi, a 250cc dual sport, and a Harley, but my Harley is a 1974 350cc single Aermacchi.

    I've actually been getting a bike carrier ready for the back of the Safari thinking I'd haul a bike south this winter instead of towing my Jeep.  I hate not being able to back up at will.  That puts a lot of extra stress on me during my travels.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Paul Barger wrote:

     

    Norm,
    I say go with what makes you happy. Safety is important, a friend of mine would rather drive his dully and pull a 5th wheel all over creation. Matter of fact he is also from Washington state. He likes to be able to unhook and drive off in his truck if he needs to. He said he is happier with a 5th wheel.
    If you feel more comfortable in a truck by all means do that just as long as you are still out there.
    I was told the same thing after wrecking on my Harley. I could never afford to get another one. I chose to drive a Jeep Wrangler, I still get my face in the I wind just go about it a different way.
     
    God Bless in any decision you make.
     
    Paul
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Norm
    Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     

    Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  


    Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:





    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14824 From: Al Date: 10/3/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    My coach is a 1992 with Hydraulic only. In the next week or so I am going to check for an air pump as Mel suggested I do in my earlier post. The brake issue scares me.

    I have a question: The brake switch that's on the dashboard, is it only for parking? Mine doesn't seem to lock up very well, I use a block of wood under a tire just in case it fails.

    I also drove for several miles with the Brake on, I don't think it held the coach back at all, I only noticed because I noticed the Red light on.

    AL
    92 Safari Ivory
    8.3 Cummins
    MT643 Allison 4 Speed



    On 10/3/2011 7:32 PM, Norm wrote:
     

    Paul,

    Sorry to hear your crash on your Harley ended your riding.  At nearly 80 I sometimes feel that my weakened legs are going to cause me to drop a bike just parking it.  Currently have four bikes, an old BMW airhead, a 1100cc Moto Guzzi, a 250cc dual sport, and a Harley, but my Harley is a 1974 350cc single Aermacchi.

    I've actually been getting a bike carrier ready for the back of the Safari thinking I'd haul a bike south this winter instead of towing my Jeep.  I hate not being able to back up at will.  That puts a lot of extra stress on me during my travels.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Paul Barger wrote:

     

    Norm,
    I say go with what makes you happy. Safety is important, a friend of mine would rather drive his dully and pull a 5th wheel all over creation. Matter of fact he is also from Washington state. He likes to be able to unhook and drive off in his truck if he needs to. He said he is happier with a 5th wheel.
    If you feel more comfortable in a truck by all means do that just as long as you are still out there.
    I was told the same thing after wrecking on my Harley. I could never afford to get another one. I chose to drive a Jeep Wrangler, I still get my face in the I wind just go about it a different way.
     
    God Bless in any decision you make.
     
    Paul
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Norm
    Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     

    Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  


    Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:





    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14826 From: Joe Gill Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    OK y'all got my attention.  Sounds like something else I need to add to my inspection list.  Where is that pump located???
     
    Thanks
     
    Joe
    96 Serengeti 3550, 3126 CAT

    From: Sherry <bsherryg@...>
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:44 PM
    Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     
    Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny! Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)

    Sherry
    98 Serengeti 4066

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@...> wrote:
    >
    Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road. 
    >  
    > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost. 



    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14827 From: Joe Gill Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
     Hi Norm,
                     Switching vehicles may not be a solution.  I have two friends with fifth wheels and both have blown tires. Really tears up the coach when that happens.  One had brand new goodyears and blew two of them within two weeks, goodyear said it must have been a bad batch.  The other had Toyo's and blew two of them over a summer.  Both had monitors for the tires.  Stuff happens.
     
    The other issue is that a lot of the pickups you see pulling fifth wheels aren't set for the weight.  Met a guy in Tulsa that had burnt his brakes up going down a very sttep hill.  Had to call a tow truck at the bottom because his brakes were gone.  Met him at a shop replacing the entire brake system going to heavier everything.  A lot of these pickups are rated at 10k gvw then they strap something on behind them that weighs 10k.  Doesn't take a lot to figure out that the brakes weren't built to handle that extra burden.
     
    REgards
     
    Joe
     
    96 Serengeti 3550, 3126 CAT
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14828 From: Joe Gill Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Hi Al,
              I have a 96 Serengeti and the parking brake is a drum on the output shaft from the transmission.  Don't think it is much good for anything except holding it in a pretty flat position.
     
    Regards
     
    Joe
     
    96 Serengeti 3550, 3126CAT, Liberty TOAD.

    From: Al <al0@...>
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 10:21 PM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering/Brake Loss

     
    My coach is a 1992 with Hydraulic only. In the next week or so I am going to check for an air pump as Mel suggested I do in my earlier post. The brake issue scares me.

    I have a question: The brake switch that's on the dashboard, is it only for parking? Mine doesn't seem to lock up very well, I use a block of wood under a tire just in case it fails.

    I also drove for several miles with the Brake on, I don't think it held the coach back at all, I only noticed because I noticed the Red light on.

    AL
    92 Safari Ivory
    8.3 Cummins
    MT643 Allison 4 Speed



    On 10/3/2011 7:32 PM, Norm wrote:
     
    Paul,
    Sorry to hear your crash on your Harley ended your riding.  At nearly 80 I sometimes feel that my weakened legs are going to cause me to drop a bike just parking it.  Currently have four bikes, an old BMW airhead, a 1100cc Moto Guzzi, a 250cc dual sport, and a Harley, but my Harley is a 1974 350cc single Aermacchi.

    I've actually been getting a bike carrier ready for the back of the Safari thinking I'd haul a bike south this winter instead of towing my Jeep.  I hate not being able to back up at will.  That puts a lot of extra stress on me during my travels.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Paul Barger wrote:

     

    Norm,
    I say go with what makes you happy. Safety is important, a friend of mine would rather drive his dully and pull a 5th wheel all over creation. Matter of fact he is also from Washington state. He likes to be able to unhook and drive off in his truck if he needs to. He said he is happier with a 5th wheel.
    If you feel more comfortable in a truck by all means do that just as long as you are still out there.
    I was told the same thing after wrecking on my Harley. I could never afford to get another one. I chose to drive a Jeep Wrangler, I still get my face in the I wind just go about it a different way.
     
    God Bless in any decision you make.
     
    Paul
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Norm
    Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     
    Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  

    Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:







    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14829 From: Al Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Joe, I'm guessing that's all its good for. I always use a wood block if the ground isn't flat.

    Thanks, AL

    On 10/4/2011 9:39 AM, Joe Gill wrote:
     
    Hi Al,
              I have a 96 Serengeti and the parking brake is a drum on the output shaft from the transmission.  Don't think it is much good for anything except holding it in a pretty flat position.
     
    Regards
     
    Joe
     
    96 Serengeti 3550, 3126CAT, Liberty TOAD.

    From: Al <al0@...>
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 10:21 PM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering/Brake Loss

     
    My coach is a 1992 with Hydraulic only. In the next week or so I am going to check for an air pump as Mel suggested I do in my earlier post. The brake issue scares me.

    I have a question: The brake switch that's on the dashboard, is it only for parking? Mine doesn't seem to lock up very well, I use a block of wood under a tire just in case it fails.

    I also drove for several miles with the Brake on, I don't think it held the coach back at all, I only noticed because I noticed the Red light on.

    AL
    92 Safari Ivory
    8.3 Cummins
    MT643 Allison 4 Speed



    On 10/3/2011 7:32 PM, Norm wrote:
     
    Paul,
    Sorry to hear your crash on your Harley ended your riding.  At nearly 80 I sometimes feel that my weakened legs are going to cause me to drop a bike just parking it.  Currently have four bikes, an old BMW airhead, a 1100cc Moto Guzzi, a 250cc dual sport, and a Harley, but my Harley is a 1974 350cc single Aermacchi.

    I've actually been getting a bike carrier ready for the back of the Safari thinking I'd haul a bike south this winter instead of towing my Jeep.  I hate not being able to back up at will.  That puts a lot of extra stress on me during my travels.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Paul Barger wrote:

     

    Norm,
    I say go with what makes you happy. Safety is important, a friend of mine would rather drive his dully and pull a 5th wheel all over creation. Matter of fact he is also from Washington state. He likes to be able to unhook and drive off in his truck if he needs to. He said he is happier with a 5th wheel.
    If you feel more comfortable in a truck by all means do that just as long as you are still out there.
    I was told the same thing after wrecking on my Harley. I could never afford to get another one. I chose to drive a Jeep Wrangler, I still get my face in the I wind just go about it a different way.
     
    God Bless in any decision you make.
     
    Paul
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Norm
    Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     
    Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  

    Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:







    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14832 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Hello Joe, find your brake fluid reservoir. It is under the front hood. It has 2 red lines coming from it. Follow them down.

    They end up at the master cylinder. It is over the left front tire. Built into the master cylinder is a electric motor. Normally the hydraulic pump on the engine provides the boost. In case the engine fails, you have ho hydraulic boost, the electric motor in the master cylinder comes on and provides brake boost when you depress the brake pedal.

    (Again I am on by soap box. Brake fluid should be changed every 3 years or so. Just like you change your engine oil you need to service your brakes hydraulic fluid.)

    Jim
    '96 Sahara

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Joe Gill <sjgilljr@...> wrote:
    >
    > OK y'all got my attention.  Sounds like something else I need to add to my inspection list.  Where is that pump located???
    >  
    > Thanks
    >  
    > Joe
    > 96 Serengeti 3550, 3126 CAT
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    > From: Sherry <bsherryg@...>
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:44 PM
    > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    >
    >
    >  
    > Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny!
    > Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)
    >
    > Sherry
    > 98 Serengeti 4066
    >
    > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
    > >
    > Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road. 
    > >  
    > > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost. 
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14837 From: dddugger9@q.com Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    You can always put it in gear and try pulling forward to see.Also it could be out of adjustment or you may have a vacuum pump that is wore out?


    From: "Al" <al0@...>
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:02:13 AM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering/Brake Loss

     

    Joe, I'm guessing that's all its good for. I always use a wood block if the ground isn't flat.

    Thanks, AL

    On 10/4/2011 9:39 AM, Joe Gill wrote:
     
    Hi Al,
              I have a 96 Serengeti and the parking brake is a drum on the output shaft from the transmission.  Don't think it is much good for anything except holding it in a pretty flat position.
     
    Regards
     
    Joe
     
    96 Serengeti 3550, 3126CAT, Liberty TOAD.

    From: Al <al0@...>
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 10:21 PM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering/Brake Loss

     
    My coach is a 1992 with Hydraulic only. In the next week or so I am going to check for an air pump as Mel suggested I do in my earlier post. The brake issue scares me.

    I have a question: The brake switch that's on the dashboard, is it only for parking? Mine doesn't seem to lock up very well, I use a block of wood under a tire just in case it fails.

    I also drove for several miles with the Brake on, I don't think it held the coach back at all, I only noticed because I noticed the Red light on.

    AL
    92 Safari Ivory
    8.3 Cummins
    MT643 Allison 4 Speed



    On 10/3/2011 7:32 PM, Norm wrote:
     
    Paul,
    Sorry to hear your crash on your Harley ended your riding.  At nearly 80 I sometimes feel that my weakened legs are going to cause me to drop a bike just parking it.  Currently have four bikes, an old BMW airhead, a 1100cc Moto Guzzi, a 250cc dual sport, and a Harley, but my Harley is a 1974 350cc single Aermacchi.

    I've actually been getting a bike carrier ready for the back of the Safari thinking I'd haul a bike south this winter instead of towing my Jeep.  I hate not being able to back up at will.  That puts a lot of extra stress on me during my travels.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Paul Barger wrote:

     

    Norm,
    I say go with what makes you happy. Safety is important, a friend of mine would rather drive his dully and pull a 5th wheel all over creation. Matter of fact he is also from Washington state. He likes to be able to unhook and drive off in his truck if he needs to. He said he is happier with a 5th wheel.
    If you feel more comfortable in a truck by all means do that just as long as you are still out there.
    I was told the same thing after wrecking on my Harley. I could never afford to get another one. I chose to drive a Jeep Wrangler, I still get my face in the I wind just go about it a different way.
     
    God Bless in any decision you make.
     
    Paul
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Norm
    Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     
    Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  

    Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:







    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14851 From: ART Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     

    Jim, I started this thread from an incident 2 weeks ago in Yellowstone.  You description of events doesn't match actuality.

     

    I had a seal suddenly blow out on the steering gearbox and lost lots of hyd fluid.  I immediately lost steering AND brakes.  If you look again, you will see the hyd line from the steering gearbox TO the master cylinder assembly.  Engine running or not.....electric motor operative or not.....if you lose the hyd fluid you ain't gonna steer or stop.   (Well, maybe a little if your adrenalin level responds).  I would like to know more about this whole sub-system so if you have any references, please share them with me.  BTW, where is the engine hyd pump?

     

    Art

    96 Seren, 3750, 3126


    --- On Tue, 10/4/11, jimlyndabrooks <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:

    From: jimlyndabrooks <jimlyndabrooks@...>
    Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 1:57 PM

     
    Hello Joe, find your brake fluid reservoir. It is under the front hood. It has 2 red lines coming from it. Follow them down.

    They end up at the master cylinder. It is over the left front tire. Built into the master cylinder is a electric motor. Normally the hydraulic pump on the engine provides the boost. In case the engine fails, you have ho hydraulic boost, the electric motor in the master cylinder comes on and provides brake boost when you depress the brake pedal.

    (Again I am on by soap box. Brake fluid should be changed every 3 years or so. Just like you change your engine oil you need to service your brakes hydraulic fluid.)

    Jim
    '96 Sahara

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Joe Gill <sjgilljr@...> wrote:
    >
    > OK y'all got my attention.  Sounds like something else I need to add to my inspection list.  Where is that pump located???
    >  
    > Thanks
    >  
    > Joe
    > 96 Serengeti 3550, 3126 CAT
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    > From: Sherry <bsherryg@...>
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:44 PM
    > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    >
    >
    >  
    > Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny!
    > Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)
    >
    > Sherry
    > 98 Serengeti 4066
    >
    > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
    > >
    > Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road. 
    > >  
    > > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost. 
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14856 From: mutiger1947 Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    If you are talking about the parking brake, I strongly recommend it be checked to see if it is functioning properly. There is a testing procedure that I understand semi drivers are supposed to use each day prior to starting out. I understand it is required as part of the training for a commercial drivers license. I understand it is a safety item.

    If you are NOT talking about the parking brake, disregard the above in its entirety.

    Morris

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, dddugger9@... wrote:
    >
    > You can always put it in gear and try pulling forward to see.Also it could be out of adjustment or you may have a vacuum pump that is wore out?
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Al" <al0@...>
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:02:13 AM
    > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering/Brake Loss
    >
    >  
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Joe, I'm guessing that's all its good for. I always use a wood block if the ground isn't flat.
    >
    > Thanks, AL
    >
    > On 10/4/2011 9:39 AM, Joe Gill wrote:
    >
    >  
    >
    >
    > Hi Al,
    >           I have a 96 Serengeti and the parking brake is a drum on the output shaft from the transmission.  Don't think it is much good for anything except holding it in a pretty flat position.
    >  
    > Regards
    >  
    > Joe
    >  
    > 96 Serengeti 3550, 3126CAT, Liberty TOAD.
    >
    >
    >
    > From: Al <al0@...>
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 10:21 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering/Brake Loss
    >
    >
    >
    >  
    >
    > My coach is a 1992 with Hydraulic only. In the next week or so I am going to check for an air pump as Mel suggested I do in my earlier post. The brake issue scares me.
    >
    > I have a question: The brake switch that's on the dashboard, is it only for parking? Mine doesn't seem to lock up very well, I use a block of wood under a tire just in case it fails.
    >
    > I also drove for several miles with the Brake on, I don't think it held the coach back at all, I only noticed because I noticed the Red light on.
    >
    > AL
    > 92 Safari Ivory
    > 8.3 Cummins
    > MT643 Allison 4 Speed
    >
    >
    >
    > On 10/3/2011 7:32 PM, Norm wrote:
    >
    >  
    >
    > Paul,
    > Sorry to hear your crash on your Harley ended your riding.  At nearly 80 I sometimes feel that my weakened legs are going to cause me to drop a bike just parking it.  Currently have four bikes, an old BMW airhead, a 1100cc Moto Guzzi, a 250cc dual sport, and a Harley, but my Harley is a 1974 350cc single Aermacchi.
    >
    >
    > I've actually been getting a bike carrier ready for the back of the Safari thinking I'd haul a bike south this winter instead of towing my Jeep.  I hate not being able to back up at will.  That puts a lot of extra stress on me during my travels.
    >
    >
    > Norm
    >
    >
    >
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Paul Barger wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >  
    >
    >
    >
    > Norm,
    > I say go with what makes you happy. Safety is important, a friend of mine would rather drive his dully and pull a 5th wheel all over creation. Matter of fact he is also from Washington state. He likes to be able to unhook and drive off in his truck if he needs to. He said he is happier with a 5th wheel.
    > If you feel more comfortable in a truck by all means do that just as long as you are still out there.
    > I was told the same thing after wrecking on my Harley. I could never afford to get another one. I chose to drive a Jeep Wrangler, I still get my face in the I wind just go about it a different way.
    >  
    > God Bless in any decision you make.
    >  
    > Paul
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Norm
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:51 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    >
    >  
    >
    > Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  
    >
    >
    > Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.
    >
    >
    > Norm
    >
    >
    >
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14857 From: dddugger9@q.com Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Yes you are correct, there is a procedure. You set your parking brake and pull forward, to make sure they are holding. I drove tractor and three trailers, called triples, I have been there & done that.


    From: "mutiger1947" <mutiger1947@...>
    To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 9:33:03 PM
    Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     

    If you are talking about the parking brake, I strongly recommend it be checked to see if it is functioning properly. There is a testing procedure that I understand semi drivers are supposed to use each day prior to starting out. I understand it is required as part of the training for a commercial drivers license. I understand it is a safety item.

    If you are NOT talking about the parking brake, disregard the above in its entirety.

    Morris

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, dddugger9@... wrote:
    >
    > You can always put it in gear and try pulling forward to see.Also it could be out of adjustment or you may have a vacuum pump that is wore out?
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Al" <al0@...>
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:02:13 AM
    > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering/Brake Loss
    >
    >  
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Joe, I'm guessing that's all its good for. I always use a wood block if the ground isn't flat.
    >
    > Thanks, AL
    >
    > On 10/4/2011 9:39 AM, Joe Gill wrote:
    >
    >  
    >
    >
    > Hi Al,
    >           I have a 96 Serengeti and the parking brake is a drum on the output shaft from the transmission.  Don't think it is much good for anything except holding it in a pretty flat position.
    >  
    > Regards
    >  
    > Joe
    >  
    > 96 Serengeti 3550, 3126CAT, Liberty TOAD.
    >
    >
    >
    > From: Al <al0@...>
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 10:21 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering/Brake Loss
    >
    >
    >
    >  
    >
    > My coach is a 1992 with Hydraulic only. In the next week or so I am going to check for an air pump as Mel suggested I do in my earlier post. The brake issue scares me.
    >
    > I have a question: The brake switch that's on the dashboard, is it only for parking? Mine doesn't seem to lock up very well, I use a block of wood under a tire just in case it fails.
    >
    > I also drove for several miles with the Brake on, I don't think it held the coach back at all, I only noticed because I noticed the Red light on.
    >
    > AL
    > 92 Safari Ivory
    > 8.3 Cummins
    > MT643 Allison 4 Speed
    >
    >
    >
    > On 10/3/2011 7:32 PM, Norm wrote:
    >
    >  
    >
    > Paul,
    > Sorry to hear your crash on your Harley ended your riding.  At nearly 80 I sometimes feel that my weakened legs are going to cause me to drop a bike just parking it.  Currently have four bikes, an old BMW airhead, a 1100cc Moto Guzzi, a 250cc dual sport, and a Harley, but my Harley is a 1974 350cc single Aermacchi.
    >
    >
    > I've actually been getting a bike carrier ready for the back of the Safari thinking I'd haul a bike south this winter instead of towing my Jeep.  I hate not being able to back up at will.  That puts a lot of extra stress on me during my travels.
    >
    >
    > Norm
    >
    >
    >
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Paul Barger wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >  
    >
    >
    >
    > Norm,
    > I say go with what makes you happy. Safety is important, a friend of mine would rather drive his dully and pull a 5th wheel all over creation. Matter of fact he is also from Washington state. He likes to be able to unhook and drive off in his truck if he needs to. He said he is happier with a 5th wheel.
    > If you feel more comfortable in a truck by all means do that just as long as you are still out there.
    > I was told the same thing after wrecking on my Harley. I could never afford to get another one. I chose to drive a Jeep Wrangler, I still get my face in the I wind just go about it a different way.
    >  
    > God Bless in any decision you make.
    >  
    > Paul
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Norm
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:51 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    >
    >  
    >
    > Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  
    >
    >
    > Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.
    >
    >
    > Norm
    >
    >
    >
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:
    >

    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14858 From: slim_chestnut Date: 10/4/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Hey Joe, 96

    The shat type parking brake on the drive shaft is adjustable. It is pretty obvious how to do it when you inspect it. It is not uncommon for someone to have driven with the parking brake on and burned down the brake lining on it a bit. Inspect it and adjust it. It is safety gear and should be kept working!

    Slim

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Joe Gill <sjgilljr@...> wrote:
    >
    > Hi Al,
    >           I have a 96 Serengeti and the parking brake is a drum on the output shaft from the transmission.  Don't think it is much good for anything except holding it in a pretty flat position.
    >  
    > Regards
    >  
    > Joe
    >  
    > 96 Serengeti 3550, 3126CAT, Liberty TOAD.
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    > From: Al <al0@...>
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 10:21 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Steering/Brake Loss
    >
    >
    >  
    > My coach is a 1992 with Hydraulic only. In the next week or so I am going to check for an air pump as Mel suggested I do in my earlier post. The brake issue scares me.
    >
    > I have a question: The brake switch that's on the dashboard, is it only for parking? Mine doesn't seem to lock up very well, I use a block of wood under a tire just in case it fails.
    >
    > I also drove for several miles with the Brake on, I don't think it held the coach back at all, I only noticed because I noticed the Red light on.
    >
    > AL
    > 92 Safari Ivory
    > 8.3 Cummins
    > MT643 Allison 4 Speed
    >
    >
    >
    > On 10/3/2011 7:32 PM, Norm wrote:
    >  
    > >Paul,
    > >Sorry to hear your crash on your Harley ended your riding.  At nearly 80 I sometimes feel that my weakened legs are going to cause me to drop a bike just parking it.  Currently have four bikes, an old BMW airhead, a 1100cc Moto Guzzi, a 250cc dual sport, and a Harley, but my Harley is a 1974 350cc single Aermacchi.
    > >
    > >
    > >I've actually been getting a bike carrier ready for the back of the Safari thinking I'd haul a bike south this winter instead of towing my Jeep.  I hate not being able to back up at will.  That puts a lot of extra stress on me during my travels.
    > >
    > >
    > >Norm
    > >
    > >From the Hermitmobile
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Paul Barger wrote:
    > >
    > > 
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Norm,
    > >>I say go with what makes you happy. Safety is important, a friend of mine would rather drive his dully and pull a 5th wheel all over creation. Matter of fact he is also from Washington state. He likes to be able to unhook and drive off in his truck if he needs to. He said he is happier with a 5th wheel.
    > >>If you feel more comfortable in a truck by all means do that just as long as you are still out there.
    > >>I was told the same thing after wrecking on my Harley. I could never afford to get another one. I chose to drive a Jeep Wrangler, I still get my face in the I wind just go about it a different way.
    > >>
    > >>God Bless in any decision you make.
    > >>
    > >>Paul
    > >>----- Original Message -----
    > >>>From: Norm
    > >>>To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > >>>Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:51 PM
    > >>>Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    > >>>
    > >>> 
    > >>>Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers.  I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe.  Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer.  Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.  
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here.  To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did.  I'm too old for that type of stuff.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>Norm
    > >>>
    > >>>From the Hermitmobile
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14860 From: slim_chestnut Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Jim is correct. Brake fluid should not only be changed periodically but the lines should be bled free of the old fluid too. Flushing the lines, especially long ones will reduce the buildup of moisture, and sediment which could eventually cause failure. happened to me on a Mercedes once.

    Slim

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
    >
    > Hello Joe, find your brake fluid reservoir. It is under the front hood. It has 2 red lines coming from it. Follow them down.
    >
    > They end up at the master cylinder. It is over the left front tire. Built into the master cylinder is a electric motor. Normally the hydraulic pump on the engine provides the boost. In case the engine fails, you have ho hydraulic boost, the electric motor in the master cylinder comes on and provides brake boost when you depress the brake pedal.
    >
    > (Again I am on by soap box. Brake fluid should be changed every 3 years or so. Just like you change your engine oil you need to service your brakes hydraulic fluid.)
    >
    > Jim
    > '96 Sahara
    >
    > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Joe Gill <sjgilljr@> wrote:
    > >
    > > OK y'all got my attention.  Sounds like something else I need to add to my inspection list.  Where is that pump located???
    > >  
    > > Thanks
    > >  
    > > Joe
    > > 96 Serengeti 3550, 3126 CAT
    > >
    > >
    > > ________________________________
    > > From: Sherry <bsherryg@>
    > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:44 PM
    > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    > >
    > >
    > >  
    > > Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny!
    > > Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)
    > >
    > > Sherry
    > > 98 Serengeti 4066
    > >
    > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road. 
    > > >  
    > > > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost. 
    > >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14862 From: KarenInTheWoods Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Steve bought a device to help bleed the old fluid out and pump in new... From Harbor Freight, I forget exactly what its called.... Because I am always on the inside pumping and holding down the brake pedal, so I dont see exactly how it works....

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless Device

    slim_chestnut <togocotton@...> wrote:

    >Jim is correct. Brake fluid should not only be changed periodically but the lines should be bled free of the old fluid too. Flushing the lines, especially long ones will reduce the buildup of moisture, and sediment which could eventually cause failure. happened to me on a Mercedes once.
    >
    >Slim
    >
    >--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
    >>
    >> Hello Joe, find your brake fluid reservoir. It is under the front hood. It has 2 red lines coming from it. Follow them down.
    >>
    >> They end up at the master cylinder. It is over the left front tire. Built into the master cylinder is a electric motor. Normally the hydraulic pump on the engine provides the boost. In case the engine fails, you have ho hydraulic boost, the electric motor in the master cylinder comes on and provides brake boost when you depress the brake pedal.
    >>
    >> (Again I am on by soap box. Brake fluid should be changed every 3 years or so. Just like you change your engine oil you need to service your brakes hydraulic fluid.)
    >>
    >> Jim
    >> '96 Sahara
    >>
    >> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Joe Gill <sjgilljr@> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > OK y'all got my attention.  Sounds like something else I need to add to my inspection list.  Where is that pump located???
    >> >  
    >> > Thanks
    >> >  
    >> > Joe
    >> > 96 Serengeti 3550, 3126 CAT
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > ________________________________
    >> > From: Sherry <bsherryg@>
    >> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    >> > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:44 PM
    >> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >  
    >> > Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny!
    >> > Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)
    >> >
    >> > Sherry
    >> > 98 Serengeti 4066
    >> >
    >> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
    >> > >
    >> > Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road. 
    >> > >  
    >> > > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost. 
    >> >
    >>
    >
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14863 From: Paul Barger Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    
    Good information, I do alot of shopping at Harbor freight also.
    Paul
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 7:48 AM
    Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss

     

    Steve bought a device to help bleed the old fluid out and pump in new... From Harbor Freight, I forget exactly what its called.... Because I am always on the inside pumping and holding down the brake pedal, so I dont see exactly how it works....

    Sent from my Verizon Wireless Device

    slim_chestnut <togocotton@...> wrote:

    >Jim is correct. Brake fluid should not only be changed periodically but the lines should be bled free of the old fluid too. Flushing the lines, especially long ones will reduce the buildup of moisture, and sediment which could eventually cause failure. happened to me on a Mercedes once.
    >
    >Slim
    >
    >--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
    >>
    >> Hello Joe, find your brake fluid reservoir. It is under the front hood. It has 2 red lines coming from it. Follow them down.
    >>
    >> They end up at the master cylinder. It is over the left front tire. Built into the master cylinder is a electric motor. Normally the hydraulic pump on the engine provides the boost. In case the engine fails, you have ho hydraulic boost, the electric motor in the master cylinder comes on and provides brake boost when you depress the brake pedal.
    >>
    >> (Again I am on by soap box. Brake fluid should be changed every 3 years or so. Just like you change your engine oil you need to service your brakes hydraulic fluid.)
    >>
    >> Jim
    >> '96 Sahara
    >>
    >> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Joe Gill <sjgilljr@> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > OK y'all got my attention.  Sounds like something else I need to add to my inspection list.  Where is that pump located???
    >> >  
    >> > Thanks
    >> >  
    >> > Joe
    >> > 96 Serengeti 3550, 3126 CAT
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > ________________________________
    >> > From: Sherry <bsherryg@>
    >> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    >> > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:44 PM
    >> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >  
    >> > Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison tranny!
    >> > Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)
    >> >
    >> > Sherry
    >> > 98 Serengeti 4066
    >> >
    >> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
    >> > >
    >> > Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road. 
    >> > >  
    >> > > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost. 
    >> >
    >>
    >
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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14864 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Brake Confusion / was Steering/Brake Loss
    When discussing brake issues please specify which brake system you are asking/talking about.

    My coach has THREE separate, unrelated brake systems, each having nothing to do with the operation of the others.

    The replies to the OP (re: Steering/Brake Loss) have given advice on the following systems:

    1.) "Hydraulic with Electric Pump Backup" (regular service brakes), the system with a forward mounted electric pump and the weak mounting tabs/ears. (and, I believe, the subject of the original post)

    2.) "Parking Brake" (cable activated), which uses no vacuum or pump assist that I am aware of. (which is adjustable if not holding properly)

    3.) "PacBrake (electric switch activated) uses air from a rear mounted
    electric air compressor.

    Mel
    '96 Sahara, 3530
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14867 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Art, You are correct, IF you loose hydraulic fluid, the electric pump has nothing to pump. I am familiar with the system.

    The conversation I read was IF the engine died. NOT a hydraulic failure.

    The engine hydraulic pump is on the right side of the engine and is gear driven.

    Find the hydraulic fluid reservoir in the back right compartment. There are 3 hoses on it. One goes to the pump. Two go forward.

    This link will explain how it works. They refer to to a power steering pump, that would be the hydraulic pump on our engines. They show the brake fluid reservoir on the brake assy, and on ours the reservoir is remote mounted. You MUST have hydraulic fluid available, which you did not.

    http://rb-kwin.bosch.com/pool/usa/pdfs/HydroMax_Hydraulic_Brake_Booster_Manual.pdf

    This manual is not the exact one you have, but the operation is the same.

    You probably have a Allied Bendix Hydromax Model #2771890

    Jim
    '96 Sahara

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@...> wrote:
    >
    >  
    > Jim, I started this thread from an incident 2 weeks ago in Yellowstone.  You description of events doesn't match actuality.
    >  
    > I had a seal suddenly blow out on the steering gearbox and lost lots of hyd fluid.  I immediately lost steering AND brakes.  If you look again, you will see the hyd line from the steering gearbox TO the master cylinder assembly.  Engine running or not.....electric motor operative or not.....if you lose the hyd fluid you ain't gonna steer or stop.   (Well, maybe a little if your adrenalin level responds).  I would like to know more about this whole sub-system so if you have any references, please share them with me.  BTW, where is the engine hyd pump?
    >  
    > Art
    > 96 Seren, 3750, 3126
    >
    > --- On Tue, 10/4/11, jimlyndabrooks <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > From: jimlyndabrooks <jimlyndabrooks@...>
    > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 1:57 PM
    >
    >
    >  
    >
    >
    >
    > Hello Joe, find your brake fluid reservoir. It is under the front hood. It has 2 red lines coming from it. Follow them down.
    >
    > They end up at the master cylinder. It is over the left front tire. Built into the master cylinder is a electric motor. Normally the hydraulic pump on the engine provides the boost. In case the engine fails, you have ho hydraulic boost, the electric motor in the master cylinder comes on and provides brake boost when you depress the brake pedal.
    >
    > (Again I am on by soap box. Brake fluid should be changed every 3 years or so. Just like you change your engine oil you need to service your brakes hydraulic fluid.)
    >
    > Jim
    > '96 Sahara
    >
    > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Joe Gill <sjgilljr@> wrote:
    > >
    > > OK y'all got my attention.  Sounds like something else I need to add to my inspection list.  Where is that pump located???
    > >  
    > > Thanks
    > >  
    > > Joe
    > > 96 Serengeti 3550, 3126 CAT
    > >
    > >
    > > ________________________________
    > > From: Sherry <bsherryg@>
    > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:44 PM
    > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    > >
    > >
    > >  
    > > Exciting not having brakes or steering, isn't it?! Been there, done that 3 times!!! A different cause, in addition to the seal you lost, in my case was a crack in the hydraulic booster pump each time. On my rig, that pump, which is small but heavy, hangs horizontally under the rig off some crappy pot metal "ears" ... guaranteed to fail thanks to vibration on our falling apart highways. Now it's strapped to a cross member with a heavy duty hose clamp to eliminate the strain on those "ears." The 3rd time it happened - a week after the previous failure (!), I was going down a steep hill on a 2 lane road... yikes! I slammed the tranny down thru all the gears, pulled on the E brake, then stood next to the steering wheel so I could use all my weight to pull to the right. I aimed for and scraped along a row of trees to stop! So shaken, I couldn't drive anything afterward for 2 days. Only time I've ever called 911 for myself:-( Bless that awesome Allison
    > tranny!
    > > Had the tranny fluid replaced - guy said rthere were some tiny metal pieces in it and wondered why. When I explained what had happened and what I'd done, he understood:-) BTW, CalTrans got to pay for that accident, since it was their bad repaving that ripped the pump off! CHP officer made sure that was written up for me:-)
    > >
    > > Sherry
    > > 98 Serengeti 4066
    > >
    > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, ART <tookum@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > Going down a moderate grade by Yellowstone Lake, I suddenly had virtually no brakes or steering.  With both feet on the petal and both hands pulling on the steering wheel. I finally stopped in the middle of the road. 
    > > >  
    > > > Bottom line, a seal in the steering gearbox had blown and I lost hydraulic boost. 
    > >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14868 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Brake Confusion / was Steering/Brake Loss
    Mel, Item #2. The parking brake is hydraulic assisted. Look above the drive shaft area forward of the drum.

    Jim
    '96 Sahara

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "stuplich@..." <stuplich@...> wrote:
    >
    > When discussing brake issues please specify which brake system you are asking/talking about.
    >
    > My coach has THREE separate, unrelated brake systems, each having nothing to do with the operation of the others.
    >
    > The replies to the OP (re: Steering/Brake Loss) have given advice on the following systems:
    >
    > 1.) "Hydraulic with Electric Pump Backup" (regular service brakes), the system with a forward mounted electric pump and the weak mounting tabs/ears. (and, I believe, the subject of the original post)
    >
    > 2.) "Parking Brake" (cable activated), which uses no vacuum or pump assist that I am aware of. (which is adjustable if not holding properly)
    >
    > 3.) "PacBrake (electric switch activated) uses air from a rear mounted
    > electric air compressor.
    >
    > Mel
    > '96 Sahara, 3530
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14869 From: Sherry Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Norm -
    It's a simple fix! Just a hose clamp - no biggie. If I'd known that, I would have had it done after the first failure - caused by a giant pothole on I-5. Just look un derneath the front of your rig behind the cross member. You'll see the little pump near the center. Attach it with a hose clamp to elim9nte the strain and you'll be good to go in definitely!! When I get home to WA, I'll try to take a photo and post it. Do not let this simple issue cause you to sell your wonderful Safari for a mediocre trailer:-( We haul them from the factory to dealers and believe me, there isn't a trailer out there in the same quality league as your Serengeti!!!

    Sherry
    98 Serengeti 4066


    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Norm <Norm500@...> wrote:
    >
    > Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers. I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe. Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer. Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.
    >
    > Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here. To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did. I'm too old for that type of stuff.
    >
    > Norm
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14871 From: Norm Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Thanks Sherry, I'll check that out and put the hose clamp on if I find where it goes.  This doesn't necessarily change my mind about selling the Safari, but I'm still undecided about that anyway.  Other reasons for moving to a trailer is that I'm not traveling anymore except for one trip south, one trip home, so the diesel just sits there unused all the rest of the time.

    I only drive my car about 3500 miles a year so replacing my Jeep Grand Cherokee with a pickup tow vehicle wouldn't amount to much in extra fuel cost.  Even that would be offset some by better fuel mileage when towing a trailer than I'm getting with the Safari.

    But yeah, I'm not going to have the same quality, luxury, and convenience with a trailer that I have with the Serengeti.

    Norm

    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Sherry wrote:

     

    Norm -
    It's a simple fix! Just a hose clamp - no biggie. If I'd known that, I would have had it done after the first failure - caused by a giant pothole on I-5. Just look un derneath the front of your rig behind the cross member. You'll see the little pump near the center. Attach it with a hose clamp to elim9nte the strain and you'll be good to go in definitely!! When I get home to WA, I'll try to take a photo and post it. Do not let this simple issue cause you to sell your wonderful Safari for a mediocre trailer:-( We haul them from the factory to dealers and believe me, there isn't a trailer out there in the same quality league as your Serengeti!!!

    Sherry
    98 Serengeti 4066

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Norm <Norm500@...> wrote:
    >
    > Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers. I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe. Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer. Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.
    >
    > Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here. To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did. I'm too old for that type of stuff.
    >
    > Norm
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:
    >


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14872 From: Norm Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    BTW, if you can find a way around it, avoid I-5 if at all possible.  Unfortunately, 99 is little if any better.  101, even with all the little towns is probably a better way to go although I haven't been that way in years so can't say for sure.  My next trip south will be through Nevada if the weather permits it.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Sherry wrote:

     

    Norm -
    It's a simple fix! Just a hose clamp - no biggie. If I'd known that, I would have had it done after the first failure - caused by a giant pothole on I-5. Just look un derneath the front of your rig behind the cross member. You'll see the little pump near the center. Attach it with a hose clamp to elim9nte the strain and you'll be good to go in definitely!! When I get home to WA, I'll try to take a photo and post it. Do not let this simple issue cause you to sell your wonderful Safari for a mediocre trailer:-( We haul them from the factory to dealers and believe me, there isn't a trailer out there in the same quality league as your Serengeti!!!

    Sherry
    98 Serengeti 4066

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Norm <Norm500@...> wrote:
    >
    > Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers. I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe. Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer. Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.
    >
    > Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here. To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did. I'm too old for that type of stuff.
    >
    > Norm
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:
    >


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14873 From: TheMopedWhiz Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    99 is better than it used to be
    we just came south from Fresno and the sequoia's 2 weeks ago
    most of it is now Paved smooth, there are still a few bumpy concrete spots, but not like it used to be
    it was much better than 101 which we took on the way up



    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Norm <Norm500@...> wrote:
    >
    > BTW, if you can find a way around it, avoid I-5 if at all possible. Unfortunately, 99 is little if any better. 101, even with all the little towns is probably a better way to go although I haven't been that way in years so can't say for sure. My next trip south will be through Nevada if the weather permits it.
    >
    > Norm
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Sherry wrote:
    >
    > > Norm -
    > > It's a simple fix! Just a hose clamp - no biggie. If I'd known that, I would have had it done after the first failure - caused by a giant pothole on I-5. Just look un derneath the front of your rig behind the cross member. You'll see the little pump near the center. Attach it with a hose clamp to elim9nte the strain and you'll be good to go in definitely!! When I get home to WA, I'll try to take a photo and post it. Do not let this simple issue cause you to sell your wonderful Safari for a mediocre trailer:-( We haul them from the factory to dealers and believe me, there isn't a trailer out there in the same quality league as your Serengeti!!!
    > >
    > > Sherry
    > > 98 Serengeti 4066
    > >
    > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Norm <Norm500@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers. I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe. Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer. Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.
    > > >
    > > > Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here. To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did. I'm too old for that type of stuff.
    > > >
    > > > Norm
    > > > From the Hermitmobile
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14874 From: Norm Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Steering/Brake Loss
    Thanks for that information.  Important to me because I might not get out of here in time to go south through Nevada.

    Norm
    From the Hermitmobile





    On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:00 PM, TheMopedWhiz wrote:

     

    99 is better than it used to be
    we just came south from Fresno and the sequoia's 2 weeks ago
    most of it is now Paved smooth, there are still a few bumpy concrete spots, but not like it used to be
    it was much better than 101 which we took on the way up

    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Norm <Norm500@...> wrote:
    >
    > BTW, if you can find a way around it, avoid I-5 if at all possible. Unfortunately, 99 is little if any better. 101, even with all the little towns is probably a better way to go although I haven't been that way in years so can't say for sure. My next trip south will be through Nevada if the weather permits it.
    >
    > Norm
    > From the Hermitmobile
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Sherry wrote:
    >
    > > Norm -
    > > It's a simple fix! Just a hose clamp - no biggie. If I'd known that, I would have had it done after the first failure - caused by a giant pothole on I-5. Just look un derneath the front of your rig behind the cross member. You'll see the little pump near the center. Attach it with a hose clamp to elim9nte the strain and you'll be good to go in definitely!! When I get home to WA, I'll try to take a photo and post it. Do not let this simple issue cause you to sell your wonderful Safari for a mediocre trailer:-( We haul them from the factory to dealers and believe me, there isn't a trailer out there in the same quality league as your Serengeti!!!
    > >
    > > Sherry
    > > 98 Serengeti 4066
    > >
    > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Norm <Norm500@> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Well now, wait a minute here before this thread goes into knocking pull behind trailers. I pulled trailers for years including pulling a 30' Airstream around Europe. Never had a brake failure on truck or trailer. Also, this has nothing to do with saving money.
    > > >
    > > > Anyway, trailers is getting a bit off topic here. To get back on topic, what worries me is driving this 40' Safari and suddenly find myself without brakes AND steering as Sherry did. I'm too old for that type of stuff.
    > > >
    > > > Norm
    > > > From the Hermitmobile
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 6:36 PM, slim_chestnut wrote:
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    >


    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14876 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Master cylinder / was Steering/Brake Loss
    Jim
    Excellent explanation and link, thank you!

    If our master cylinder, booster and booster pump and are a different brand they are very, very similar.

    I recently replaced my master cylinder with a new one with the fluid reservoir mounted on top, as pictured in the manual from the link.

    I later did find a source for the master cylinder, with a "manifold" in place of the reservior, which uses the original remote reservoir, but I already had the other one installed and the fluid flushed with new.

    It operates as it should/did but it is not as easy to keep an eye on the fluid level, although doable.

    Mel
    '96 Sahara, 3530


    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
    >
    > Art, You are correct, IF you loose hydraulic fluid, the electric pump has nothing to pump. I am familiar with the system.
    >
    > The conversation I read was IF the engine died. NOT a hydraulic failure.
    >
    > The engine hydraulic pump is on the right side of the engine and is gear driven.
    >
    > Find the hydraulic fluid reservoir in the back right compartment. There are 3 hoses on it. One goes to the pump. Two go forward.
    >
    > This link will explain how it works. They refer to to a power steering pump, that would be the hydraulic pump on our engines. They show the brake fluid reservoir on the brake assy, and on ours the reservoir is remote mounted. You MUST have hydraulic fluid available, which you did not.
    >
    > http://rb-kwin.bosch.com/pool/usa/pdfs/HydroMax_Hydraulic_Brake_Booster_Manual.pdf
    >
    > This manual is not the exact one you have, but the operation is the same.
    >
    > You probably have a Allied Bendix Hydromax Model #2771890
    >
    > Jim
    > '96 Sahara
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14877 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 10/5/2011
    Subject: Re: Brake Confusion / was Steering/Brake Loss
    Jim
    Will do thanks again.
    Mel


    --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...> wrote:
    >
    > Mel, Item #2. The parking brake is hydraulic assisted. Look above the drive shaft area forward of the drum.
    >
    > Jim
    > '96 Sahara
    >
    > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "stuplich@" <stuplich@> wrote:
    > >
    > > When discussing brake issues please specify which brake system you are asking/talking about.
    > >
    > > My coach has THREE separate, unrelated brake systems, each having nothing to do with the operation of the others.
    > >
    > > The replies to the OP (re: Steering/Brake Loss) have given advice on the following systems:
    > >
    > > 1.) "Hydraulic with Electric Pump Backup" (regular service brakes), the system with a forward mounted electric pump and the weak mounting tabs/ears. (and, I believe, the subject of the original post)
    > >
    > > 2.) "Parking Brake" (cable activated), which uses no vacuum or pump assist that I am aware of. (which is adjustable if not holding properly)
    > >
    > > 3.) "PacBrake (electric switch activated) uses air from a rear mounted
    > > electric air compressor.
    > >
    > > Mel
    > > '96 Sahara, 3530
    > >
    >
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14940 From: Jonathan Buerck Date: 10/10/2011
    Subject: Power Steering Leak
    We have a 2008 Safari Simba on a W22 workhorse chassis.  It appears that there is a power steering fluid leak.  It has been to the truck shop several times now with the last being a replacement of the reservoir and hoses.  The fluid dripping is clean and has the appearance of being new oil, which would lead one to consider the reservoir and hoses.  I have cleaned the area with 'orange' cleaner and within a day it starts to leak, usually after driving for several hours.  I am beginning to think the shop does not know what the issue could be even after some discussion with workhorse (which led to the replacement of reservoir).  Any thoughts or ideas on what to look for next or suggestions on how to resolve this issue.

    Thanks
    Jonathan
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 14944 From: Herb Sweet Date: 10/10/2011
    Subject: Re: Power Steering Leak
    Attachments :
      A New mechanic  
       
       
       
       
      -------Original Message-------
       
      Date: 10/10/2011 7:13:46 PM
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Power Steering Leak
       
       

      We have a 2008 Safari Simba on a W22 workhorse chassis.  It appears that there is a power steering fluid leak.  It has been to the truck shop several times now with the last being a replacement of the reservoir and hoses.  The fluid dripping is clean and has the appearance of being new oil, which would lead one to consider the reservoir and hoses.  I have cleaned the area with 'orange' cleaner and within a day it starts to leak, usually after driving for several hours.  I am beginning to think the shop does not know what the issue could be even after some discussion with workhorse (which led to the replacement of reservoir).  Any thoughts or ideas on what to look for next or suggestions on how to resolve this issue.

      Thanks
      Jonathan

       
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 14956 From: Paul Barger Date: 10/11/2011
      Subject: Re: Power Steering Leak
      Jonathan,
      The only thing I could think of off hand would be a seal leak on the assembly itself especially since most everything else has been replaced.  If the shop is saying it is fixed and it leaks again they would be paying for the rest of the repairs not you. If it is not repaired then it should not be leaving the shop until it is. I would try a differernt shop.
       Is your reservior level getting lower? The pump could have a small hairline crack that you cannot see that opens under pressure also. There are many things that could be wrong. Fluid pumps are funny when fluid is put under pressure it could be many things. Without seeing it myself it would be hard to say. It seems you are narrowing it down replacing what you have so far.
       
      Dizneydad
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 8:13 PM
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Power Steering Leak

       

      We have a 2008 Safari Simba on a W22 workhorse chassis.  It appears that there is a power steering fluid leak.  It has been to the truck shop several times now with the last being a replacement of the reservoir and hoses.  The fluid dripping is clean and has the appearance of being new oil, which would lead one to consider the reservoir and hoses.  I have cleaned the area with 'orange' cleaner and within a day it starts to leak, usually after driving for several hours.  I am beginning to think the shop does not know what the issue could be even after some discussion with workhorse (which led to the replacement of reservoir).  Any thoughts or ideas on what to look for next or suggestions on how to resolve this issue.

      Thanks
      Jonathan

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 16281 From: cvansick Date: 3/7/2012
      Subject: Brake and steering feedback
      I've recently purchased a 91 serengetti, on the drive home we bagan to notice ocassional pulsating... or feedback in both the brakes and steering. Typically in low speed turns and hard brake applications. There did not seem to be any loss in braking performance or power steering just a pulsing, sort of like ABS feedback.

      Is this just an artifact of electric over hydraulic systems? Normal for a safari? Or should I be concerned about my booster pump?

      Obviously losing power steering and brakes on a 36ft motorhome @ 60mph is something I'd like to avoid.
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 16283 From: ART Date: 3/7/2012
      Subject: Re: Brake and steering feedback
      My electrically driven hydraulic booster pump uses the ATF from the tranny tank.  Check that level.  I lost brakes & steering in Yellowstone because of a blown seal in the steering box.  My system may be different than yours.
       
      Art
      96 Seren, 3750, 3126

      --- On Wed, 3/7/12, cvansick <cvansick@...> wrote:

      From: cvansick <cvansick@...>
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Brake and steering feedback
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 7:24 PM

       
      I've recently purchased a 91 serengetti, on the drive home we bagan to notice ocassional pulsating... or feedback in both the brakes and steering. Typically in low speed turns and hard brake applications. There did not seem to be any loss in braking performance or power steering just a pulsing, sort of like ABS feedback.

      Is this just an artifact of electric over hydraulic systems? Normal for a safari? Or should I be concerned about my booster pump?

      Obviously losing power steering and brakes on a 36ft motorhome @ 60mph is something I'd like to avoid.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 16284 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
      Subject: Re: Brake and steering feedback
      Ditto for me on losing brakes and steering. The small power wire to battery had corroded and going over a rr track jarred it loose. It's a critical connection to be checked regularly.

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Mar 7, 2012, at 7:35 PM, ART <tookum@...> wrote:

       

      My electrically driven hydraulic booster pump uses the ATF from the tranny tank.  Check that level.  I lost brakes & steering in Yellowstone because of a blown seal in the steering box.  My system may be different than yours.
       
      Art
      96 Seren, 3750, 3126

      --- On Wed, 3/7/12, cvansick <cvansick@...> wrote:

      From: cvansick <cvansick@...>
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Brake and steering feedback
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 7:24 PM

       
      I've recently purchased a 91 serengetti, on the drive home we bagan to notice ocassional pulsating... or feedback in both the brakes and steering. Typically in low speed turns and hard brake applications. There did not seem to be any loss in braking performance or power steering just a pulsing, sort of like ABS feedback.

      Is this just an artifact of electric over hydraulic systems? Normal for a safari? Or should I be concerned about my booster pump?

      Obviously losing power steering and brakes on a 36ft motorhome @ 60mph is something I'd like to avoid.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 16285 From: ART Date: 3/7/2012
      Subject: Re: Brake and steering feedback
      Goooooood point !  Wher is this wire and the routing.  Fused?
       
      Art
      96 Seren

      --- On Wed, 3/7/12, FBrouss211@... <FBrouss211@...> wrote:

      From: FBrouss211@... <FBrouss211@...>
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Brake and steering feedback
      To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 8:40 PM

       
      Ditto for me on losing brakes and steering. The small power wire to battery had corroded and going over a rr track jarred it loose. It's a critical connection to be checked regularly.

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Mar 7, 2012, at 7:35 PM, ART <tookum@...> wrote:

       
      My electrically driven hydraulic booster pump uses the ATF from the tranny tank.  Check that level.  I lost brakes & steering in Yellowstone because of a blown seal in the steering box.  My system may be different than yours.
       
      Art
      96 Seren, 3750, 3126

      --- On Wed, 3/7/12, cvansick <cvansick@...> wrote:

      From: cvansick <cvansick@...>
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Brake and steering feedback
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 7:24 PM

       
      I've recently purchased a 91 serengetti, on the drive home we bagan to notice ocassional pulsating... or feedback in both the brakes and steering. Typically in low speed turns and hard brake applications. There did not seem to be any loss in braking performance or power steering just a pulsing, sort of like ABS feedback.

      Is this just an artifact of electric over hydraulic systems? Normal for a safari? Or should I be concerned about my booster pump?

      Obviously losing power steering and brakes on a 36ft motorhome @ 60mph is something I'd like to avoid.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 16286 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 3/7/2012
      Subject: Re: Brake and steering feedback
      It's a serious flaw (in my opinion) to design a system with one battery wire so critical. Check the wires to your chassis battery and if it's like mine; it is one of the single, smaller wires to the terminal. Check it at the brake and steering connection to read how it's labeled. The wiring on ours has identification printed on wires every foot or so.
      Check both ends for a perfect connection.

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Mar 7, 2012, at 8:16 PM, ART <tookum@...> wrote:

       

      Goooooood point !  Wher is this wire and the routing.  Fused?
       
      Art
      96 Seren

      --- On Wed, 3/7/12, FBrouss211@... <FBrouss211@...> wrote:

      From: FBrouss211@... <FBrouss211@...>
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Brake and steering feedback
      To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 8:40 PM

       
      Ditto for me on losing brakes and steering. The small power wire to battery had corroded and going over a rr track jarred it loose. It's a critical connection to be checked regularly.

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Mar 7, 2012, at 7:35 PM, ART <tookum@...> wrote:

       
      My electrically driven hydraulic booster pump uses the ATF from the tranny tank.  Check that level.  I lost brakes & steering in Yellowstone because of a blown seal in the steering box.  My system may be different than yours.
       
      Art
      96 Seren, 3750, 3126

      --- On Wed, 3/7/12, cvansick <cvansick@...> wrote:

      From: cvansick <cvansick@...>
      Subject: [Safarifriends] Brake and steering feedback
      To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 7:24 PM

       
      I've recently purchased a 91 serengetti, on the drive home we bagan to notice ocassional pulsating... or feedback in both the brakes and steering. Typically in low speed turns and hard brake applications. There did not seem to be any loss in braking performance or power steering just a pulsing, sort of like ABS feedback.

      Is this just an artifact of electric over hydraulic systems? Normal for a safari? Or should I be concerned about my booster pump?

      Obviously losing power steering and brakes on a 36ft motorhome @ 60mph is something I'd like to avoid.

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 16534 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 4/1/2012
      Subject: steering stabilizer
      Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:

      Any pro's or con's on:

      Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?

      Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?

      Tiger Tracks System?

      No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
      Thanks, Sven
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 16538 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 4/2/2012
      Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
      About steering stabilizers...
       
      Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.
      I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.
      4 lessons learned:
      1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.
      2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.
      3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.
      4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.
      Fred
      1999 safari connie
      113,000 miles; owned since new.
      3126b CAT


      -----Original Message-----
      From: svenbeck@... <svensd@...>
      To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
      Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

       
      Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:

      Any pro's or con's on:

      Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?

      Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?

      Tiger Tracks System?

      No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
      Thanks, Sven