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Group: Safarifriends Message: 16542 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16543 From: John Clevenger Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16546 From: Jon Ellefson Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16547 From: Bryan Moore Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16551 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16552 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16553 From: John Clevenger Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16554 From: D Jiang Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16555 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16558 From: Dan Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16560 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16563 From: Mr. G. Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16564 From: Dick Missett Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16565 From: Mr. G. Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16567 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16639 From: iexpectjd@yahoo.com Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: steering drag link
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16640 From: jquade_fwb Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: steering drag link
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16641 From: byrdmona Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: steering drag link
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16642 From: andrewsralph42 Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: steering drag link
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19560 From: Dick Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19563 From: Bubba Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19564 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19565 From: Fred Broussard Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19566 From: One-hand Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19571 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19572 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19573 From: Bob and Paula Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19574 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19575 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19576 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19597 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19599 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19601 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19602 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19606 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19618 From: Bob and Paula Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19620 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19621 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19624 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19626 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19627 From: Solarnomads Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19629 From: Dick Missett Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19633 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19634 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19635 From: Tom Peticolas Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19636 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19637 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19638 From: Irtys Miller Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19639 From: Phillip and Joyce Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19645 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/2/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions



Group: Safarifriends Message: 16542 From: svenbeck@rocketmail.com Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
I've already decided that I need it. Any recommedation on brand (and why)?
Sven

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, FBrouss211@... wrote:
>
> About steering stabilizers...
>  
> Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.
> I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.
>
> 4 lessons learned:
> 1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.
>
> 2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.
> 3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.
> 4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.
>
> Fred
> 1999 safari connie
> 113,000 miles; owned since new.
> 3126b CAT
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: svenbeck@... svensd@...
> To: Safarifriends Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
> Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer
>
>   Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:
>
> Any pro's or con's on:
>
> Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?
>
> Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?
>
> Tiger Tracks System?
>
> No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
> Thanks, Sven
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16543 From: John Clevenger Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer

I use the Safe-T-Plus and works very well, with good shocks/tires all three are important! JohnC

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2005 TJ/Honda

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svenbeck@...
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 6:36 PM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: steering stabilizer

 

 


I've already decided that I need it. Any recommedation on brand (and why)?
Sven

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, FBrouss211@... wrote:
>
> About steering stabilizers...
>  
> Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.
> I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.
>
> 4 lessons learned:
> 1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.
>
> 2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.
> 3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.
> 4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.
>
> Fred
> 1999 safari connie
> 113,000 miles; owned since new.
> 3126b CAT
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: svenbeck@... svensd@...
> To: Safarifriends Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
> Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer
>
>   Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:
>
> Any pro's or con's on:
>
> Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?
>
> Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?
>
> Tiger Tracks System?
>
> No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
> Thanks, Sven
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 16546 From: Jon Ellefson Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
I have been following this thread and plan to act on the recommendations.  I just had an "ignorant" question coming from a non-mechanic minded angle......Would the "drag" created from the exhaust brakes help pull the coach straight much like accelerating might do with a front tire blow out?  Just curious.  Thanks.  Jon. 96 38' Serengeti, 300 up Cat, Allison tranny.


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On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:21 AM, FBrouss211@... wrote:

 

About steering stabilizers...
 
Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.
I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.
4 lessons learned:
1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.
2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.
3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.
4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.
Fred
1999 safari connie
113,000 miles; owned since new.
3126b CAT


-----Original Message-----
From: svenbeck@... <svensd@...>
To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:

Any pro's or con's on:

Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?

Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?

Tiger Tracks System?

No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
Thanks, Sven

Group: Safarifriends Message: 16547 From: Bryan Moore Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
No that puts more presure on the front end from the breaking action, causing a harder pull to the effected tire. You will be better off to have a tyron tire bands. http://www.tyron.com/ 
Take a look at the video. They are expensive but cheap insurance. Have them put on the front tires. Also for addes safety put on a tire presure monitor system
2001 Safari

From: Jon Ellefson <brokerjon@...>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:21:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
I have been following this thread and plan to act on the recommendations.  I just had an "ignorant" question coming from a non-mechanic minded angle......Would the "drag" created from the exhaust brakes help pull the coach straight much like accelerating might do with a front tire blow out?  Just curious.  Thanks.  Jon. 96 38' Serengeti, 300 up Cat, Allison tranny.


Sent from my iPad

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:21 AM, FBrouss211@... wrote:

 
About steering stabilizers...
 
Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.
I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.
4 lessons learned:
1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.
2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.
3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.
4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.
Fred
1999 safari connie
113,000 miles; owned since new.
3126b CAT


-----Original Message-----
From: svenbeck@... <svensd@...>
To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:

Any pro's or con's on:

Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?

Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?

Tiger Tracks System?

No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
Thanks, Sven



Group: Safarifriends Message: 16551 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
A friend with a 40 foot 2000 safari diesel blew the driver side tire and had a more troublesome result than I did. His wiring harness enters into the front electrical box from the rear of the box..mine from the front.
His fragmented blown tire grabbed the wiring harness and stripped it from the dash area and everywhere else imaginable..making the coach undrivable and requiring extensive repairs.



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Bryan Moore <euchremate@...> wrote:

 

No that puts more presure on the front end from the breaking action, causing a harder pull to the effected tire. You will be better off to have a tyron tire bands. http://www.tyron.com/ 
Take a look at the video. They are expensive but cheap insurance. Have them put on the front tires. Also for addes safety put on a tire presure monitor system
2001 Safari

From: Jo n Ellefson <brokerjon@...>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:21:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
I have been following this thread and plan to act on the recommendations.  I just had an "ignorant" question coming from a non-mechanic minded angle......Would the "drag" created from the exhaust brakes help pull the coach straight much like accelerating might do with a front tire blow out?  Just curious.  Thanks.  Jon. 96 38' Serengeti, 300 up Cat, Allison tranny.


Sent from my iPad

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:21 AM, FBrouss211@... wrote:

 
About steering stabilizers...
 
Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.
I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.
4 lessons learned:
1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.
2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.
3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.
4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.
Fred
1999 safari connie
113,000 miles; owned since new.
3126b CAT


-----Original Message-----
From: svenbeck@... <svensd@...>
To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:

Any pro's or con's on:

Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?

Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?

Tiger Tracks System?

No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
Thanks, Sven



Group: Safarifriends Message: 16552 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Where is the best place to get a stabalizer?  How do I know if I have one already?
1998 Sahara Safari 300HP CAT
 
In a message dated 4/3/2012 11:32:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, FBrouss211@... writes:
 

A friend with a 40 foot 2000 safari diesel blew the driver side tire and had a more troublesome result than I did. His wiring harness enters into the front electrical box from the rear of the box..mine from the front.
His fragmented blown tire grabbed the wiring harness and stripped it from the dash area and everywhere else imaginable..making the coach undrivable and requiring extensive repairs.



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Bryan Moore <euchremate@...> wrote:

 

No that puts more presure on the front end from the breaking action, causing a harder pull to the effected tire. You will be better off to have a tyron tire bands. http://www.tyron.com/ 
Take a look at the video. They are expensive but cheap insurance. Have them put on the front tires. Also for addes safety put on a tire presure monitor system
2001 Safari

From: Jo n Ellefson <brokerjon@...>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:21:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
I have been following this thread and plan to act on the recommendations.  I just had an "ignorant" question coming from a non-mechanic minded angle......Would the "drag" created from the exhaust brakes help pull the coach straight much like accelerating might do with a front tire blow out?  Just curious.  Thanks.  Jon. 96 38' Serengeti, 300 up Cat, Allison tranny.


Sent from my iPad

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:21 AM, FBrouss211@... wrote:

 
About steering stabilizers...
 
Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.
I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.
4 lessons learned:
1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.
2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.
3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.
4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.
Fred
1999 safari connie
113,000 miles; owned since new.
3126b CAT


-----Original Message-----
From: svenbeck@... <svensd@...>
To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:

Any pro's or con's on:

Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?

Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?

Tiger Tracks System?

No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
Thanks, Sven



Group: Safarifriends Message: 16553 From: John Clevenger Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer

Look under the front axle and see if you have a large round tube on the steering arm. I got my at Camper World; was about $285 3 years ago. JohnC

 

96 Safari Sahara 3540 250 Cat

2005 TJ/Honda

(O) I I I I I I I (O)

 

From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eggmanmay@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:18 AM
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 

 

Where is the best place to get a stabalizer?  How do I know if I have one already?

1998 Sahara Safari 300HP CAT

 

In a message dated 4/3/2012 11:32:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, FBrouss211@... writes:

 

A friend with a 40 foot 2000 safari diesel blew the driver side tire and had a more troublesome result than I did. His wiring harness enters into the front electrical box from the rear of the box..mine from the front.

His fragmented blown tire grabbed the wiring harness and stripped it from the dash area and everywhere else imaginable..making the coach undrivable and requiring extensive repairs.

 



Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Bryan Moore <euchremate@...> wrote:

 

No that puts more presure on the front end from the breaking action, causing a harder pull to the effected tire. You will be better off to have a tyron tire bands. http://www.tyron.com/ 

Take a look at the video. They are expensive but cheap insurance. Have them put on the front tires. Also for addes safety put on a tire presure monitor system

2001 Safari

 

From: Jo n Ellefson <brokerjon@...>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:21:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 

 

I have been following this thread and plan to act on the recommendations.  I just had an "ignorant" question coming from a non-mechanic minded angle......Would the "drag" created from the exhaust brakes help pull the coach straight much like accelerating might do with a front tire blow out?  Just curious.  Thanks.  Jon. 96 38' Serengeti, 300 up Cat, Allison tranny.



Sent from my iPad


On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:21 AM, FBrouss211@... wrote:

 

About steering stabilizers...

 

Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.

I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.

4 lessons learned:

1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.

2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.

3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.

4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.

Fred

1999 safari connie

113,000 miles; owned since new.

3126b CAT

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: svenbeck@... <svensd@...>
To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 

Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:

Any pro's or con's on:

Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?

Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?

Tiger Tracks System?

No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
Thanks, Sven

 

Group: Safarifriends Message: 16554 From: D Jiang Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Any recommendation for a beefed-up version of tire we can use for the front wheels so they do not just blow up? Tires should just hold!?
 
Bill Jiang
99 Continental 37' 330 CAT

From: "eggmanmay@..." <eggmanmay@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
Where is the best place to get a stabalizer?  How do I know if I have one already?
1998 Sahara Safari 300HP CAT
 
In a message dated 4/3/2012 11:32:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, FBrouss211@... writes:
 
A friend with a 40 foot 2000 safari diesel blew the driver side tire and had a more troublesome result than I did. His wiring harness enters into the front electrical box from the rear of the box..mine from the front.
His fragmented blown tire grabbed the wiring harness and stripped it from the dash area and everywhere else imaginable..making the coach undrivable and requiring extensive repairs.



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Bryan Moore <euchremate@...> wrote:

 
No that puts more presure on the front end from the breaking action, causing a harder pull to the effected tire. You will be better off to have a tyron tire bands. http://www.tyron.com/ 
Take a look at the video. They are expensive but cheap insurance. Have them put on the front tires. Also for addes safety put on a tire presure monitor system
2001 Safari

From: Jo n Ellefson <brokerjon@...>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:21:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
I have been following this thread and plan to act on the recommendations.  I just had an "ignorant" question coming from a non-mechanic minded angle......Would the "drag" created from the exhaust brakes help pull the coach straight much like accelerating might do with a front tire blow out?  Just curious.  Thanks.  Jon. 96 38' Serengeti, 300 up Cat, Allison tranny.


Sent from my iPad

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:21 AM, FBrouss211@... wrote:

 
About steering stabilizers...
 
Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.
I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.
4 lessons learned:
1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.
2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.
3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.
4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.
Fred
1999 safari connie
113,000 miles; owned since new.
3126b CAT


-----Original Message-----
From: svenbeck@... <svensd@...>
To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:

Any pro's or con's on:

Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?

Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?

Tiger Tracks System?

No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
Thanks, Sven





Group: Safarifriends Message: 16555 From: FBrouss211@aol.com Date: 4/4/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
After our front tire blowout I talked to truckers about what they used on their front wheels. They said they use special "steering tires" which are designed to superior standards. 
I then stopped at several tire shops, letting them examine my rig.
All said the design of the Safari Magnum 
chassis, with it's unique, outboard air bags (fore and aft of the tiresprevented)  the use of the larger trucker steering tire. 
The design is restrictive as far as using larger diameter tires but I was able to go up one size. Steering tires were not available to fit our chassis at that time..but might be now.
I use Michelins now at max size that fits between the airbags. Clearance is about 1/4"..really close.
One other safety item to check is the routing of your hydraulic brake lines to the tire.
Mine were routed in a manner that allowed a line to be easily broken by a flat, shredding tire.
Always be conscious of the fact that RV makers in the early years were not true "engineering" companies..most not having certified professional design engineers on staff when my rig was made..1999.
When my coach was made I visited many factories and discovered that they are simply "assemblers"..far from the qualifications of other transportation major vehicle companies (Ford, GM, etc). Plants were staffed with many "warm bodies" ..some employees openly complaining about management mainly concerned with productivity..leaving obvious defects for dealers to correct (if the rig buyer is smart enough to find the defect).
The owner of Safari in 2000 told me he once hired a professional engineer but had to fire the guy because he was always coming up with "problems".
Be proactive with your rigs safety!
Fred
1999 Safari Continental
3126B
113,000 miles

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2012, at 6:50 AM, D Jiang <dfjiang@...> wrote:

 

Any recommendation for a beefed-up version of tire we can use for the front wheels so they do not just blow up? Tires should just hold!?
 
Bill Jiang
99 Continental 37' 330 CAT

From: "eggmanmay@..." <eggmanmay@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
Where is the best place to get a stabalizer?  How do I know if I have one already?
1998 Sahara Safari 300HP CAT
 
In a message dated 4/3/2012 11:32:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, FBrouss211@... writes:
 
A friend with a 40 foot 2000 safari diesel blew the driver side tire and had a more troublesome result than I did. His wiring harness enters into the front electrical box from the rear of the box..mine from the front.
His fragmented blown tire grabbed the wiring harness and stripped it from the dash area and everywhere else imaginable..making the coach undrivable and requiring extensive repairs.



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Bryan Moore <euchremate@...> wrote:

 
No that puts more presure on the front end from the breaking action, causing a harder pull to the effected tire. You will be better off to have a tyron tire bands. http://www.tyron.com/ 
Take a look at the video. They are expensive but cheap insurance. Have them put on the front tires. Also for addes safety put on a tire presure monitor system
2001 Safari

From: Jo n Ellefson <brokerjon@...>
To: "Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 8:21:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
I have been following this thread and plan to act on the recommendations.  I just had an "ignorant" question coming from a non-mechanic minded angle......Would the "drag" created from the exhaust brakes help pull the coach straight much like accelerating might do with a front tire blow out?  Just curious.  Thanks.  Jon. 96 38' Serengeti, 300 up Cat, Allison tranny.


Sent from my iPad

On Apr 2, 2012, at 10:21 AM, FBrouss211@... wrote:

 
About steering stabilizers...
 
Watch the Michelin video about front tire blowouts and you'll see why steering stabilizers are crucial for heavy vehicles.
I blew a front, driver side tire on our 1999 Safari Continental in 2000 doing 55 mph with devestating results. The steering wheel shock was so great I could not prevent the rig from immediately going left; hitting a concrete center divider..did $13,000 in damage and would have killed us if not for the divider seperating us from oncoming 18 wheelers.
4 lessons learned:
1. Front steering stabilizers are crucial and should be original equipment. Watch the study videos and films from Michelin (and others) showing what happens with, and without stabilizers, installed on heavy motorhome type rigs. Install one if you don't already own one.
2. Highway patrol and trucker safety instructors are correct when they say heavy vehicles are exttremely different than cars during front tire blowouts. The sudden sideways momentum is so great that drivers must do what is not normal..stomping the accelerator. This allows the rear powered rear wheels to push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum. Truckers know this from training; RVers do not.
3. Document.. and submit suspicious looking tire failures to the maker..especially when damage is significant. I did..Goodyear acknowledged a desogn problem and paid all expenses.
4. Don't assume tires are sized and pressured correctly on RV rigs..especially older ones. KNOW what is right and monitor pressures regularily. Makers and dealers have been known to set pressures low for softer; impressive demo rides.
Fred
1999 safari connie
113,000 miles; owned since new.
3126b CAT


-----Original Message-----
From: svenbeck@... <svensd@...>
To: Safarifriends <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 1:14 am
Subject: [Safarifriends] steering stabilizer

 
Almost five years ago, Dwayne ("rockwoodfive") asked the following about steering stabiizers:

Any pro's or con's on:

Blue Ox's TruCenter Steering Control?

Safe-T-Plus Stabilizer?

Tiger Tracks System?

No one responded at that time. Has anyone had any experience since then?
Thanks, Sven





.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16558 From: Dan Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
I have been considering a steering stabilizer since first picking up this coach. Roads in the Northeast are very rutted and I hope it will take a bit of the drift out in addition to the blow out issue.

I have been looking at a Roadmaster Reflex available at Etrailer:

http://www.etrailer.com/swaybars-1997_Magnum_Safari.htm

I have had great support from both Etrailer and Roadmaster.

Last year I put on new Koni shocks which helped the ride quality considerably.

Dan

1997 Sahara 30' w/ 250 Cat
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16560 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
So a stabilizer helps with driving and steering, not only blow outs?  I have issues with my Sahara safari just driving especially if it is windy out.  No slop in steering, but wants to be all over the road.  Thansk!
 
In a message dated 4/5/2012 1:52:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, danl2mil@... writes:
 



I have been considering a steering stabilizer since first picking up this coach. Roads in the Northeast are very rutted and I hope it will take a bit of the drift out in addition to the blow out issue.

I have been looking at a Roadmaster Reflex available at Etrailer:

http://www.etrailer.com/swaybars-1997_Magnum_Safari.htm

I have had great support from both Etrailer and Roadmaster.

Last year I put on new Koni shocks which helped the ride quality considerably.

Dan

1997 Sahara 30' w/ 250 Cat


Group: Safarifriends Message: 16563 From: Mr. G. Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
It will make the world of difference. Add it.  RG
 




I have been considering a steering stabilizer since first picking up this coach. Roads in the Northeast are very rutted and I hope it will take a bit of the drift out in addition to the blow out issue.

I have been looking at a Roadmaster Reflex available at Etrailer:

http://www.etrailer.com/swaybars-1997_Magnum_Safari.htm

I have had great support from both Etrailer and Roadmaster.





Group: Safarifriends Message: 16564 From: Dick Missett Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
I'm also in the market but can't decide on which one works best on the Velvet Ride suspension.  Are all steering stabilizers created equal ? Lots of choices out there. Any guidance based on others experience is appreciated. Thanks
 
Dick Missett
98 Sahara 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA

From: Mr. G. <prieye@...>
To: safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:49 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: steering stabilizer

 
It will make the world of difference. Add it.  RG
 




I have been considering a steering stabilizer since first picking up this coach. Roads in the Northeast are very rutted and I hope it will take a bit of the drift out in addition to the blow out issue.

I have been looking at a Roadmaster Reflex available at Etrailer:

http://www.etrailer.com/swaybars-1997_Magnum_Safari.htm

I have had great support from both Etrailer and Roadmaster.







Group: Safarifriends Message: 16565 From: Mr. G. Date: 4/5/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
I put the SAFETY-STEER on my Velvet ride... no regrets. RG
 

To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
From: dngmissett@...
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:17:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: steering stabilizer



I'm also in the market but can't decide on which one works best on the Velvet Ride suspension.  Are all steering stabilizers created equal ? Lots of choices out there. Any guidance based on others experience is appreciated. Thanks
 
Dick Missett
98 Sahara 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA

From: Mr. G. <prieye@...>
To: safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:49 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: steering stabilizer

 
It will make the world of difference. Add it.  RG
 




I have been considering a steering stabilizer since first picking up this coach. Roads in the Northeast are very rutted and I hope it will take a bit of the drift out in addition to the blow out issue.

I have been looking at a Roadmaster Reflex available at Etrailer:

http://www.etrailer.com/swaybars-1997_Magnum_Safari.htm

I have had great support from both Etrailer and Roadmaster.









Group: Safarifriends Message: 16567 From: eggmanmay@aol.com Date: 4/6/2012
Subject: Re: steering stabilizer
Is safety steer and steering stabalizer too?
 
In a message dated 4/5/2012 10:06:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, prieye@... writes:
 

I put the SAFETY-STEER on my Velvet ride... no regrets. RG
 

To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
From: dngmissett@...
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:17:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: steering stabilizer



I'm also in the market but can't decide on which one works best on the Velvet Ride suspension.  Are all steering stabilizers created equal ? Lots of choices out there. Any guidance based on others experience is appreciated. Thanks
 
Dick Missett
98 Sahara 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA

From: Mr. G. <prieye@...>
To: safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 9:49 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: steering stabilizer

 
It will make the world of difference. Add it.  RG
 




I have been considering a steering stabilizer since first picking up this coach. Roads in the Northeast are very rutted and I hope it will take a bit of the drift out in addition to the blow out issue.

I have been looking at a Roadmaster Reflex available at Etrailer:

http://www.etrailer.com/swaybars-1997_Magnum_Safari.htm

I have had great support from both Etrailer and Roadmaster.









Group: Safarifriends Message: 16639 From: iexpectjd@yahoo.com Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: steering drag link
i am trying to locate a steering drag link for my 2000 continental safari with a magnum chassis . any ideas . I have called the Monaco numbers and they have no input .
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16640 From: jquade_fwb Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: steering drag link
For any and all things suspension/brakes/shocks/tires, Ralph Anders is "The Go To Guy." Ralph sometimes hangs out here and at SafariCoaches, plus he's a VP at the Safari-International.org site. You can get his email address at the .org site.

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, iexpectjd@... wrote:
>
> i am trying to locate a steering drag link for my 2000 continental safari with a magnum chassis . any ideas . I have called the Monaco numbers and they have no input .
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16641 From: byrdmona Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: steering drag link
--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "jquade_fwb" <jquade44@...> wrote:
>
> For any and all things suspension/brakes/shocks/tires, Ralph Anders is "The Go To Guy." Ralph sometimes hangs out here and at SafariCoaches, plus he's a VP at the Safari-International.org site. You can get his email address at the .org site.
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, iexpectjd@ wrote:
> >
> > i am trying to locate a steering drag link for my 2000 continental safari with a magnum chassis . any ideas . I have called the Monaco numbers and they have no input .
> >
>
I believe the gentlemens name is Ralph Andrews, and yes he is the expert on Safari chassis and suspensiion!
Group: Safarifriends Message: 16642 From: andrewsralph42 Date: 4/22/2012
Subject: Re: steering drag link
I think I can help but need a little more info. please call me at 509 750 0248
Ralph andrews

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, iexpectjd@... wrote:
>
> i am trying to locate a steering drag link for my 2000 continental safari with a magnum chassis . any ideas . I have called the Monaco numbers and they have no input .
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19560 From: Dick Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.

Dick Missett
98 Safari 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19563 From: Bubba Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
We installed the Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer last year. Side wind issues went away as soon as it was installed, plus it added "auto centering" after turns, etc. Have put 12k mile on the coach since then and had one "rapid deflate" on drivers side. The Safe-T-Plus kept it under control.

From what I read, either one will help you.
JM2C

----------------------------------------------------------------



--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Dick" <dngmissett@...> wrote:
>
> Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Safari 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19564 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.

Dave
'95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad

On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@...> wrote:

 

Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.

Dick Missett
98 Safari 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19565 From: Fred Broussard Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
I bought the Safe T steer in 2000 and I recommend it..but I don't know what's available today.
We installed a safety t plus stabilizer in 2000 after blowing the front driver side tire and then realizing it was near impossible to control a very heavy vehicle at highway speeds ...when a tire suddenly blows. 
We coulda easily been killed if not for the concrete divider that prevented us from veering into oncoming 18 wheelers. 
I now know why a trucker told me years ago to avoid driving beside him. His words.."if I blow a tire, this heavy rig will go sideways about 50 feet before I can control it". I thought he was exaggerating..nada!
Luckily Goodyear fessed up about having a tire problem similar to Firestone's and paid over $12,000 damage repair..plus living expenses. 
Days later I visited a Michelson booth at a homecoming Safari rally and they showed a video of the effectiveness of a device like the safety T steer. I bought one at the rally and sold about a dozen for the supplier as folks gawked at the driver side and front end damage that I had duct taped and bungie corded together to make it to the rally.
 The safe t steer greatly stabilized overall steering and has satisfied my needs since new in 2000.
A friend with same coach as ours bought a hydraulic, self centering device and liked it. It was much more expensive but he had more of a driving problem keeping his rig between the white lines.
Another rv acquaintance invented the device sold by Blue Ox, and owner folks I've met, rave about it. 
I learned two lessons from the horrifying experience..1.have a device of some type installed because you can easily lose control as the Michelin video showed.
2. A trucker safety instructor told me RVers are not trained like truckers regarding what to do when a front tire blows..
"a heavy weigh vehicle goes sideways toward the side of the failure and the sideways momentum can only be overcome by doing that is not natural to the typical rv driver..quickly stomp on the accelerator so the rear drive wheels can push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum." 

Good luck. Let us know what you buy and how it works for you. Incidentally none of the other tire companies acknowledged the benefits of such a device..only Michelin offered the video...might still be on the Internet..as well as the other newer products. YouTube has changed the world.

Fred
Sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@...> wrote:

 

Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.

Dick Missett
98 Safari 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19566 From: One-hand Date: 11/26/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
I installed the Roadmaster Reflex Steering Stabilizer. Really helps with the handling. Has the return to center feature. Easy to install.
Gerald
2001 Panther 455

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Dick" <dngmissett@...> wrote:
>
> Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Safari 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19571 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
The nice thing about the Tru-center is that it actually changes the geometry of the steering so that the center is actually driving the coach straight regardless of wind or road crown.

It's sometimes a bit awkward to set on my coach but once set you can almost drive hands-free. <grin>

Ken
1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@...> wrote:
>
> I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.
>
> Dave
> '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@...> wrote:
>
> > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> >
> > Dick Missett
> > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > Wyoming, PA
> >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19572 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Ken.....why is it hard to set?
Does it change?
Do you do it from inside while driving?
1997 Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@...> wrote:
>
> The nice thing about the Tru-center is that it actually changes the geometry of the steering so that the center is actually driving the coach straight regardless of wind or road crown.
>
> It's sometimes a bit awkward to set on my coach but once set you can almost drive hands-free. <grin>
>
> Ken
> 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@> wrote:
> >
> > I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.
> >
> > Dave
> > '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> >
> > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > >
> > > Dick Missett
> > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > Wyoming, PA
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19573 From: Bob and Paula Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
We installed steer safe on our 1997 Ivory in 2005, and love it. It is the third rig that we have installed this item. We recommended it to several of our friends, and they have all had positive response. The cost is considerably less than other products. It helps control when big trucks pass us, and makes driving less tiring.

Paula

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@...> wrote:
>
> I bought the Safe T steer in 2000 and I recommend it..but I don't know what's available today.
> We installed a safety t plus stabilizer in 2000 after blowing the front driver side tire and then realizing it was near impossible to control a very heavy vehicle at highway speeds ...when a tire suddenly blows.
> We coulda easily been killed if not for the concrete divider that prevented us from veering into oncoming 18 wheelers.
> I now know why a trucker told me years ago to avoid driving beside him. His words.."if I blow a tire, this heavy rig will go sideways about 50 feet before I can control it". I thought he was exaggerating..nada!
> Luckily Goodyear fessed up about having a tire problem similar to Firestone's and paid over $12,000 damage repair..plus living expenses.
> Days later I visited a Michelson booth at a homecoming Safari rally and they showed a video of the effectiveness of a device like the safety T steer. I bought one at the rally and sold about a dozen for the supplier as folks gawked at the driver side and front end damage that I had duct taped and bungie corded together to make it to the rally.
> The safe t steer greatly stabilized overall steering and has satisfied my needs since new in 2000.
> A friend with same coach as ours bought a hydraulic, self centering device and liked it. It was much more expensive but he had more of a driving problem keeping his rig between the white lines.
> Another rv acquaintance invented the device sold by Blue Ox, and owner folks I've met, rave about it.
> I learned two lessons from the horrifying experience..1.have a device of some type installed because you can easily lose control as the Michelin video showed.
> 2. A trucker safety instructor told me RVers are not trained like truckers regarding what to do when a front tire blows..
> "a heavy weigh vehicle goes sideways toward the side of the failure and the sideways momentum can only be overcome by doing that is not natural to the typical rv driver..quickly stomp on the accelerator so the rear drive wheels can push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum."
>
> Good luck. Let us know what you buy and how it works for you. Incidentally none of the other tire companies acknowledged the benefits of such a device..only Michelin offered the video...might still be on the Internet..as well as the other newer products. YouTube has changed the world.
>
> Fred
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@...> wrote:
>
> > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> >
> > Dick Missett
> > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > Wyoming, PA
> >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19574 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
It is like a tunable shock absorber, with a valve internally that can reset the "neutral" length. There is a single button you can install on the side panel or dash that frees the mechanism. You press the button, and steer straight down the road and release the button. This redefines the neutral point, and any sudden deviation lets the device resist, so it remains centered. Good for blowouts or crowns or passing trucks. The defined center point is good for constant crosswinds and crowns. I put my own on.

Dave
'95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad

On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:41 AM, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:

 

Ken.....why is it hard to set?
Does it change?
Do you do it from inside while driving?
1997 Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@...> wrote:
>
> The nice thing about the Tru-center is that it actually changes the geometry of the steering so that the center is actually driving the coach straight regardless of wind or road crown.
>
> It's sometimes a bit awkward to set on my coach but once set you can almost drive hands-free. <grin>
>
> Ken
> 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@> wrote:
> >
> > I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.
> >
> > Dave
> > '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> >
> > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > >
> > > Dick Missett
> > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > Wyoming, PA
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19575 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
BTW - It attaches horizontally to the tie rod. It just looks like a shock absorber.

Dave
'95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad

On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@...> wrote:

 

It is like a tunable shock absorber, with a valve internally that can reset the "neutral" length. There is a single button you can install on the side panel or dash that frees the mechanism. You press the button, and steer straight down the road and release the button. This redefines the neutral point, and any sudden deviation lets the device resist, so it remains centered. Good for blowouts or crowns or passing trucks. The defined center point is good for constant crosswinds and crowns. I put my own on.

Dave
'95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad

On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:41 AM, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:

 

Ken.....why is it hard to set?
Does it change?
Do you do it from inside while driving?
1997 Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@...> wrote:
>
> The nice thing about the Tru-center is that it actually changes the geometry of the steering so that the center is actually driving the coach straight regardless of wind or road crown.
>
> It's sometimes a bit awkward to set on my coach but once set you can almost drive hands-free. <grin>
>
> Ken
> 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@> wrote:
> >
> > I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.
> >
> > Dave
> > '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> >
> > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > >
> > > Dick Missett
> > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > Wyoming, PA
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19576 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 11/27/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Paula....I.like the idea of considerably less
Where did you get yours????
I looked some the were discussed & they were around $800!!!
1997 Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Bob and Paula" <ontheroadmoore@...> wrote:
>
> We installed steer safe on our 1997 Ivory in 2005, and love it. It is the third rig that we have installed this item. We recommended it to several of our friends, and they have all had positive response. The cost is considerably less than other products. It helps control when big trucks pass us, and makes driving less tiring.
>
> Paula
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@> wrote:
> >
> > I bought the Safe T steer in 2000 and I recommend it..but I don't know what's available today.
> > We installed a safety t plus stabilizer in 2000 after blowing the front driver side tire and then realizing it was near impossible to control a very heavy vehicle at highway speeds ...when a tire suddenly blows.
> > We coulda easily been killed if not for the concrete divider that prevented us from veering into oncoming 18 wheelers.
> > I now know why a trucker told me years ago to avoid driving beside him. His words.."if I blow a tire, this heavy rig will go sideways about 50 feet before I can control it". I thought he was exaggerating..nada!
> > Luckily Goodyear fessed up about having a tire problem similar to Firestone's and paid over $12,000 damage repair..plus living expenses.
> > Days later I visited a Michelson booth at a homecoming Safari rally and they showed a video of the effectiveness of a device like the safety T steer. I bought one at the rally and sold about a dozen for the supplier as folks gawked at the driver side and front end damage that I had duct taped and bungie corded together to make it to the rally.
> > The safe t steer greatly stabilized overall steering and has satisfied my needs since new in 2000.
> > A friend with same coach as ours bought a hydraulic, self centering device and liked it. It was much more expensive but he had more of a driving problem keeping his rig between the white lines.
> > Another rv acquaintance invented the device sold by Blue Ox, and owner folks I've met, rave about it.
> > I learned two lessons from the horrifying experience..1.have a device of some type installed because you can easily lose control as the Michelin video showed.
> > 2. A trucker safety instructor told me RVers are not trained like truckers regarding what to do when a front tire blows..
> > "a heavy weigh vehicle goes sideways toward the side of the failure and the sideways momentum can only be overcome by doing that is not natural to the typical rv driver..quickly stomp on the accelerator so the rear drive wheels can push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum."
> >
> > Good luck. Let us know what you buy and how it works for you. Incidentally none of the other tire companies acknowledged the benefits of such a device..only Michelin offered the video...might still be on the Internet..as well as the other newer products. YouTube has changed the world.
> >
> > Fred
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> >
> > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > >
> > > Dick Missett
> > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > Wyoming, PA
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19597 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Chuck:

It's a push button on the dash.

When I bought it the previous owner had sent the original unit back on warranty and had the new one shipped to me. The plug was different and the guy who installed it "figured out" the wiring - so I don't know if he got everything right.

Basically when you are driving you get the coach driving straight down the road and press the button. It resets the geometric center to match your direction.

On my coach I often have to push two or more times to get it just right. Once set it will hold in strong side winds, on high crowns, etc. If road or wind conditions change you may have to reset it.

While that's a minor annoyance, it works so well that I wouldn't be without it.

Ken
1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:
>
> Ken.....why is it hard to set?
> Does it change?
> Do you do it from inside while driving?
> 1997 Serengeti
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@> wrote:
> >
> > The nice thing about the Tru-center is that it actually changes the geometry of the steering so that the center is actually driving the coach straight regardless of wind or road crown.
> >
> > It's sometimes a bit awkward to set on my coach but once set you can almost drive hands-free. <grin>
> >
> > Ken
> > 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > > '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
> > >
> > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > > >
> > > > Dick Missett
> > > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > > Wyoming, PA
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19599 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions

:O  Have I been using it wrong for several years?

I always steered straight and then pressed the button.  :-s

Ken

1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@...> wrote:
>
> It is like a tunable shock absorber, with a valve internally that can reset the "neutral" length. There is a single button you can install on the side panel or dash that frees the mechanism. You press the button, and steer straight down the road and release the button. This redefines the neutral point, and any sudden deviation lets the device resist, so it remains centered. Good for blowouts or crowns or passing trucks. The defined center point is good for constant crosswinds and crowns. I put my own on.
>
> Dave
> '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
>
> On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:41 AM, "chuck.lewis72" cdl45309@... wrote:
>
> > Ken.....why is it hard to set?
> > Does it change?
> > Do you do it from inside while driving?
> > 1997 Serengeti
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" k-wildman@ wrote:
> > >
> > > The nice thing about the Tru-center is that it actually changes the geometry of the steering so that the center is actually driving the coach straight regardless of wind or road crown.
> > >
> > > It's sometimes a bit awkward to set on my coach but once set you can almost drive hands-free. <grin>
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > > '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dick Missett
> > > > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > > > Wyoming, PA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19601 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
I know you don't want to hold it for an extended time, but I'll check and see. I thought the directions said the push let the mechanism float, then the release locked it in the new position. I'll check.

Dave
'95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad

On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:18 PM, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@...> wrote:

 

:O  Have I been using it wrong for several years?

I always steered straight and then pressed the button.  :-s

Ken

1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@...> wrote:
>
> It is like a tunable shock absorber, with a valve internally that can reset the "neutral" length. There is a single button you can install on the side panel or dash that frees the mechanism. You press the button, and steer straight down the road and release the button. This redefines the neutral point, and any sudden deviation lets the device resist, so it remains centered. Good for blowouts or crowns or passing trucks. The defined center point is good for constant crosswinds and crowns. I put my own on.
>
> Dave
> '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
>
> On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:41 AM, "chuck.lewis72" cdl45309@... wrote:
>
> > Ken.....why is it hard to set?
> > Does it change?
> > Do you do it from inside while driving?
> > 1997 Serengeti
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" k-wildman@ wrote:
> > >
> > > The nice thing about the Tru-center is that it actually changes the geometry of the steering so that the center is actually driving the coach straight regardless of wind or road crown.
> > >
> > > It's sometimes a bit awkward to set on my coach but once set you can almost drive hands-free. <grin>
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > > '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dick Missett
> > > > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > > > Wyoming, PA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19602 From: Dave Farley Date: 11/28/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Here is a link to a description from Blue Ox:


Dave
'95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad

On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:18 PM, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@...> wrote:

 

:O  Have I been using it wrong for several years?

I always steered straight and then pressed the button.  :-s

Ken

1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300


--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@...> wrote:
>
> It is like a tunable shock absorber, with a valve internally that can reset the "neutral" length. There is a single button you can install on the side panel or dash that frees the mechanism. You press the button, and steer straight down the road and release the button. This redefines the neutral point, and any sudden deviation lets the device resist, so it remains centered. Good for blowouts or crowns or passing trucks. The defined center point is good for constant crosswinds and crowns. I put my own on.
>
> Dave
> '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
>
> On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:41 AM, "chuck.lewis72" cdl45309@... wrote:
>
> > Ken.....why is it hard to set?
> > Does it change?
> > Do you do it from inside while driving?
> > 1997 Serengeti
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" k-wildman@ wrote:
> > >
> > > The nice thing about the Tru-center is that it actually changes the geometry of the steering so that the center is actually driving the coach straight regardless of wind or road crown.
> > >
> > > It's sometimes a bit awkward to set on my coach but once set you can almost drive hands-free. <grin>
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
> > >
> > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > > '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dick Missett
> > > > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > > > Wyoming, PA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19606 From: kenwildman45810 Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Dave:

Thanks for the link.

It seems I have been using it wrong for several years. I need to try it next time I take a drive.

Ken
1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@...> wrote:
>
> Here is a link to a description from Blue Ox:
>
> http://www.blueox.com/p-1153-trucenter.aspx
>
> Dave
> '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
>
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 8:18 PM, "kenwildman45810" <k-wildman@...> wrote:
>
> > Have I been using it wrong for several years?
> >
> > I always steered straight and then pressed the button.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
> >
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It is like a tunable shock absorber, with a valve internally that can reset the "neutral" length. There is a single button you can install on the side panel or dash that frees the mechanism. You press the button, and steer straight down the road and release the button. This redefines the neutral point, and any sudden deviation lets the device resist, so it remains centered. Good for blowouts or crowns or passing trucks. The defined center point is good for constant crosswinds and crowns. I put my own on.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > > '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
> > >
> > > On Nov 27, 2012, at 11:41 AM, "chuck.lewis72" cdl45309@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ken.....why is it hard to set?
> > > > Does it change?
> > > > Do you do it from inside while driving?
> > > > 1997 Serengeti
> > > >
> > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "kenwildman45810" k-wildman@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The nice thing about the Tru-center is that it actually changes the geometry of the steering so that the center is actually driving the coach straight regardless of wind or road crown.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's sometimes a bit awkward to set on my coach but once set you can almost drive hands-free. <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken
> > > > > 1996 Safari Sahara- 3530, 35 ft, CAT 300
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dave Farley <dieseldave2003@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I installed a Blue Ox TruCenter steering control several years ago, and am very happy with it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > '95 Safari Ivory Edition, 38', Cummins, 2004 Liberty toad
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dick Missett
> > > > > > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > > > > > Wyoming, PA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19618 From: Bob and Paula Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Chuck..sorry took so long to answer..but I am new to using this site..Steer safe is in Deming, New Mexico and their phone number is 800-845-5504...the model #UR-900MAS and we had it installed at a Rally for $350...a show special..I think the last I had heard, the cost has gone up to about $400..but well worth every penny...I do all the driving and this is our fourth rig,and I would not drive a rig, without it..it stopped the "rut running" and helped on the side wind, when the big semi's are passing...pretty maintenance free..I believe its 400 pounds of equal pressure and I like not being tired fighting the steering wheel..my friends that I have recommended had safari's and one had a monaco...all were pleased...let me know if you go that route...if you call the office in deming, they will give you the name and phone number of the dealer that is closest to you..or you can order and do the installation yourself..Paula

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@...> wrote:
>
> Paula....I.like the idea of considerably less
> Where did you get yours????
> I looked some the were discussed & they were around $800!!!
> 1997 Serengeti
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Bob and Paula" <ontheroadmoore@> wrote:
> >
> > We installed steer safe on our 1997 Ivory in 2005, and love it. It is the third rig that we have installed this item. We recommended it to several of our friends, and they have all had positive response. The cost is considerably less than other products. It helps control when big trucks pass us, and makes driving less tiring.
> >
> > Paula
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Fred Broussard <FBrouss211@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I bought the Safe T steer in 2000 and I recommend it..but I don't know what's available today.
> > > We installed a safety t plus stabilizer in 2000 after blowing the front driver side tire and then realizing it was near impossible to control a very heavy vehicle at highway speeds ...when a tire suddenly blows.
> > > We coulda easily been killed if not for the concrete divider that prevented us from veering into oncoming 18 wheelers.
> > > I now know why a trucker told me years ago to avoid driving beside him. His words.."if I blow a tire, this heavy rig will go sideways about 50 feet before I can control it". I thought he was exaggerating..nada!
> > > Luckily Goodyear fessed up about having a tire problem similar to Firestone's and paid over $12,000 damage repair..plus living expenses.
> > > Days later I visited a Michelson booth at a homecoming Safari rally and they showed a video of the effectiveness of a device like the safety T steer. I bought one at the rally and sold about a dozen for the supplier as folks gawked at the driver side and front end damage that I had duct taped and bungie corded together to make it to the rally.
> > > The safe t steer greatly stabilized overall steering and has satisfied my needs since new in 2000.
> > > A friend with same coach as ours bought a hydraulic, self centering device and liked it. It was much more expensive but he had more of a driving problem keeping his rig between the white lines.
> > > Another rv acquaintance invented the device sold by Blue Ox, and owner folks I've met, rave about it.
> > > I learned two lessons from the horrifying experience..1.have a device of some type installed because you can easily lose control as the Michelin video showed.
> > > 2. A trucker safety instructor told me RVers are not trained like truckers regarding what to do when a front tire blows..
> > > "a heavy weigh vehicle goes sideways toward the side of the failure and the sideways momentum can only be overcome by doing that is not natural to the typical rv driver..quickly stomp on the accelerator so the rear drive wheels can push you forward to overcome the sideways momentum."
> > >
> > > Good luck. Let us know what you buy and how it works for you. Incidentally none of the other tire companies acknowledged the benefits of such a device..only Michelin offered the video...might still be on the Internet..as well as the other newer products. YouTube has changed the world.
> > >
> > > Fred
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 6:06 PM, "Dick" <dngmissett@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > > >
> > > > Dick Missett
> > > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > > Wyoming, PA
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19620 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
I ALWAYS sit near steering wheel when I'm driving.
I make my coach go where I want it to go the old fashion way ... I adjust and hold the steering wheel with my hands!
(I have to sit right right behind the steering wheel to reach the brake pedal anyway). :-)

To each his own.

BTW, I hear some coaches have an electric toilet, (mine flushes the old fashion way).
Will the next "have to have" coach necessity be electric toilet paper? LOL

Mel
'96 Sahara 3530
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19621 From: chuck.lewis72 Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
Mel.....I'm kinda like you.....I don't use the cruise control either.
But this thread reminded me of a Class C I had, & I couldn't keep it in my lane. So I got a steering stablizer at NAPA.....man did that help!!!!
I did my winter fuel fill up yesterday & drove on a new asphalt road, & I was constantly correcting.
I have no idea how I put up with that on our last trip.....12 states & 7000 miles, in three weeks. I gotta get me one....LOL
1997 Serengeti

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "stuplich@..." <stuplich@...> wrote:
>
> I ALWAYS sit near steering wheel when I'm driving.
> I make my coach go where I want it to go the old fashion way ... I adjust and hold the steering wheel with my hands!
> (I have to sit right right behind the steering wheel to reach the brake pedal anyway). :-)
>
> To each his own.
>
> BTW, I hear some coaches have an electric toilet, (mine flushes the old fashion way).
> Will the next "have to have" coach necessity be electric toilet paper? LOL
>
> Mel
> '96 Sahara 3530
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19624 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
I have a 30' sahara. It has all the same weight behind the rear axel as the longer ones. Boy is it squirrely even with steer safe and steering stabilizer. Like you, I drive with both hands. The factory put a 500lb piece of cast iron under the front. It needs 1200lbs more to have even close to 1/3, 2/3 weight distribution. Anyhow, the temp in Tucson is 80 today.

----- Original Message -----
From: "stuplich@..." <stuplich@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:20:44 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19626 From: stuplich@ymail.com Date: 11/29/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
Chuck
> I added a stabilizer similar to this:
http://www.jcwhitney.com/hydraulic-steering-stabilizers/p2006042.jcwx?filterid=d51429y1975g2j1
to my 1975 MinnieWinnnie, (in 1987), and I used it 'til '98, (11 yrs, 125,000 miles).
> Even with the stabilizer that class "C" was a white knuckle driver at any speed over 55 mph....(the gas tank, fresh water tank, 2-20# LP tanks and a 2.8kw Onan where all behind the rear wheels)!
> Compared to that RV, this coach, without a stabilizer, drives like I'm sitting in my living room having a beer!
>
> I still have the stabilizer, (sold the RV in '98, gave the Onan away last week
> If anyone wants the stabilizer they can have it, come get it!
> Mel
> '96 Sahara 3530
> 37 degrees in Wisconsin
>
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "chuck.lewis72" <cdl45309@> wrote:
> >
> > Mel.....I'm kinda like you.....I don't use the cruise control either.
> > But this thread reminded me of a Class C I had, & I couldn't keep it in my lane. So I got a steering stabilizer at NAPA.....man did that help!!!!
> > I did my winter fuel fill up yesterday & drove on a new asphalt road, & I was constantly correcting.
> > I have no idea how I put up with that on our last trip.....12 states & 7000 miles, in three weeks. I gotta get me one....LOL
> > 1997 Serengeti
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19627 From: Solarnomads Date: 11/30/2012
Subject: Re: Need of Steering Stabilizer? (was: Steering Stabilizer opinions)
Purchased ours new in early 1998 and on maiden voyage had hard time keeping it within the lines. Really squirrelly. Quick research and realized the steer safe unit was not sized for our 37' ivory, but safe t plus was. Purchased at camping world on sale. What a difference! No regrets. Still drive with 2 hands but not the white knuckles.
Tom
1997 37' Ivory 3730

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Group: Safarifriends Message: 19629 From: Dick Missett Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Thanks to all who have responded and offered input on this thread. Although the reviews and input for the spring style Steer Safe have been just as positive as the hydraulic style stabilizer I have decided to go with the Safe T Plus hydraulic style. It should be here early next week. 

Dick Missett
98 Sahara 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA
From: Dick <dngmissett@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:06 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Stabilizer opinions
 
Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.

Dick Missett
98 Safari 300 CAT
Wyoming, PA

Group: Safarifriends Message: 19633 From: jimlyndabrooks Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Hello,

When we got our '96 Sahara in '06, it wandered around like I was pushing a pencil on a table top. This was in Houston. On the way to Oregon, by way of New Mexico, I stopped by the Safe Steer place, and after talking with them, decided I needed to buy their product. Drive it to Oregon and if you don't like it, ship it back and we'll refund your money. OK, I had them give me a box.

After driving it('96 Sahara 3540)to Oregon I had decided it was better, but it was just covering up a problem, not correcting it, so, I crawled under it and removed the Steer Safe System. I found the problem of it wandering around while under it.

The steering shaft that is attached to the steering wheel is attached to the sector box by a coupling with 2 u-joints. There are pinch bolts on either end of the u-joint coupler. You could turn the bolts with your fingers. I put a pair of vice grips on the steering shaft and could turn it but the input shaft to the sector box did not turn.

I tightened the 2 pinch bolts, and with the Safe Steer removed, I took it for a drive. The steering was as tight as my Honda CRV. No slop, no looseness, it drove like a different coach.

Now after 6 years of ownership, it is still drives great. I check the pinch bolts every fall, when I am under it greasing the chassis.

Jim
'96 Sahara 3540, 300 CAT, 520W Solar

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dick Missett <dngmissett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who have responded and offered input on this thread. Although the reviews and input for the spring style Steer Safe have been just as positive as the hydraulic style stabilizer I have decided to go with the Safe T Plus hydraulic style. It should be here early next week. 
>
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Sahara 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dick <dngmissett@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:06 PM
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Stabilizer opinions
>
>  
> Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Safari 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>
Group: Safarifriends Message: 19634 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Just read this post , the one from Dick Missett and the ride height adjustment on Yahoo. My 1999 30' Sahara has the 500# weight in the front, steer safe, and hydraulic stabilizer. Still wanders. I am going to check the steering U joints and go from Bilsteins to Konis, I guess this is the last option.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:02:43 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions

Hello,

When we got our '96 Sahara in '06, it wandered around like I was pushing a pencil on a table top. This was in Houston. On the way to Oregon, by way of New Mexico, I stopped by the Safe Steer place, and after talking with them, decided I needed to buy their product. Drive it to Oregon and if you don't like it, ship it back and we'll refund your money. OK, I had them give me a box.

After driving it('96 Sahara 3540)to Oregon I had decided it was better, but it was just covering up a problem, not correcting it, so, I crawled under it and removed the Steer Safe System. I found the problem of it wandering around while under it.

The steering shaft that is attached to the steering wheel is attached to the sector box by a coupling with 2 u-joints. There are pinch bolts on either end of the u-joint coupler. You could turn the bolts with your fingers. I put a pair of vice grips on the steering shaft and could turn it but the input shaft to the sector box did not turn.

I tightened the 2 pinch bolts, and with the Safe Steer removed, I took it for a drive. The steering was as tight as my Honda CRV. No slop, no looseness, it drove like a different coach.

Now after 6 years of ownership, it is still drives great. I check the pinch bolts every fall, when I am under it greasing the chassis.

Jim
'96 Sahara 3540, 300 CAT, 520W Solar

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dick Missett <dngmissett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who have responded and offered input on this thread. Although the reviews and input for the spring style Steer Safe have been just as positive as the hydraulic style stabilizer I have decided to go with the Safe T Plus hydraulic style. It should be here early next week. 
>
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Sahara 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dick <dngmissett@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:06 PM
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Stabilizer opinions
>
>  
> Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Safari 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>




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Group: Safarifriends Message: 19635 From: Tom Peticolas Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions

Good idea. Also, after you check the steering and suspension, you may want to verify that your alignment is correct before you spend the big bucks.  :-)

Tom
99 Safari Trek

On Dec 1, 2012 11:07 AM, <nanandpete@...> wrote:
 

Just read this post , the one from Dick Missett and the ride height adjustment on Yahoo. My 1999 30' Sahara has the 500# weight in the front, steer safe, and hydraulic stabilizer. Still wanders. I am going to check the steering U joints and go from Bilsteins to Konis, I guess this is the last option.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:02:43 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions

Hello,

When we got our '96 Sahara in '06, it wandered around like I was pushing a pencil on a table top. This was in Houston. On the way to Oregon, by way of New Mexico, I stopped by the Safe Steer place, and after talking with them, decided I needed to buy their product. Drive it to Oregon and if you don't like it, ship it back and we'll refund your money. OK, I had them give me a box.

After driving it('96 Sahara 3540)to Oregon I had decided it was better, but it was just covering up a problem, not correcting it, so, I crawled under it and removed the Steer Safe System. I found the problem of it wandering around while under it.

The steering shaft that is attached to the steering wheel is attached to the sector box by a coupling with 2 u-joints. There are pinch bolts on either end of the u-joint coupler. You could turn the bolts with your fingers. I put a pair of vice grips on the steering shaft and could turn it but the input shaft to the sector box did not turn.

I tightened the 2 pinch bolts, and with the Safe Steer removed, I took it for a drive. The steering was as tight as my Honda CRV. No slop, no looseness, it drove like a different coach.

Now after 6 years of ownership, it is still drives great. I check the pinch bolts every fall, when I am under it greasing the chassis.

Jim
'96 Sahara 3540, 300 CAT, 520W Solar

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dick Missett <dngmissett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who have responded and offered input on this thread. Although the reviews and input for the spring style Steer Safe have been just as positive as the hydraulic style stabilizer I have decided to go with the Safe T Plus hydraulic style. It should be here early next week. 
>
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Sahara 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dick <dngmissett@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:06 PM
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Stabilizer opinions
>
>  
> Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Safari 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>

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Group: Safarifriends Message: 19636 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Thanks, just did that.


From: "Tom Peticolas" <tom.peticolas@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:17:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions

Good idea. Also, after you check the steering and suspension, you may want to verify that your alignment is correct before you spend the big bucks.  :-)

Tom
99 Safari Trek

On Dec 1, 2012 11:07 AM, <nanandpete@...> wrote:
 

Just read this post , the one from Dick Missett and the ride height adjustment on Yahoo. My 1999 30' Sahara has the 500# weight in the front, steer safe, and hydraulic stabilizer. Still wanders. I am going to check the steering U joints and go from Bilsteins to Konis, I guess this is the last option.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:02:43 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions

Hello,

When we got our '96 Sahara in '06, it wandered around like I was pushing a pencil on a table top. This was in Houston. On the way to Oregon, by way of New Mexico, I stopped by the Safe Steer place, and after talking with them, decided I needed to buy their product. Drive it to Oregon and if you don't like it, ship it back and we'll refund your money. OK, I had them give me a box.

After driving it('96 Sahara 3540)to Oregon I had decided it was better, but it was just covering up a problem, not correcting it, so, I crawled under it and removed the Steer Safe System. I found the problem of it wandering around while under it.

The steering shaft that is attached to the steering wheel is attached to the sector box by a coupling with 2 u-joints. There are pinch bolts on either end of the u-joint coupler. You could turn the bolts with your fingers. I put a pair of vice grips on the steering shaft and could turn it but the input shaft to the sector box did not turn.

I tightened the 2 pinch bolts, and with the Safe Steer removed, I took it for a drive. The steering was as tight as my Honda CRV. No slop, no looseness, it drove like a different coach.

Now after 6 years of ownership, it is still drives great. I check the pinch bolts every fall, when I am under it greasing the chassis.

Jim
'96 Sahara 3540, 300 CAT, 520W Solar

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dick Missett <dngmissett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who have responded and offered input on this thread. Although the reviews and input for the spring style Steer Safe have been just as positive as the hydraulic style stabilizer I have decided to go with the Safe T Plus hydraulic style. It should be here early next week. 
>
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Sahara 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dick <dngmissett@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:06 PM
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Stabilizer opinions
>
>  
> Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Safari 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>

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Group: Safarifriends Message: 19637 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Just went out and looked at the steering shaft U joint. No U clips with nuts,  No slop in the shaft. Guess what, it has a grease  fitting!  Never been greased since I have had the coach, has now. Folks might take a look at theirs to see what kind they have, if it is loose, if it has a grease fitting, etc.


From: "Tom Peticolas" <tom.peticolas@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:17:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions

Good idea. Also, after you check the steering and suspension, you may want to verify that your alignment is correct before you spend the big bucks.  :-)

Tom
99 Safari Trek

On Dec 1, 2012 11:07 AM, <nanandpete@...> wrote:
 

Just read this post , the one from Dick Missett and the ride height adjustment on Yahoo. My 1999 30' Sahara has the 500# weight in the front, steer safe, and hydraulic stabilizer. Still wanders. I am going to check the steering U joints and go from Bilsteins to Konis, I guess this is the last option.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jimlyndabrooks" <jimlyndabrooks@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:02:43 AM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions

Hello,

When we got our '96 Sahara in '06, it wandered around like I was pushing a pencil on a table top. This was in Houston. On the way to Oregon, by way of New Mexico, I stopped by the Safe Steer place, and after talking with them, decided I needed to buy their product. Drive it to Oregon and if you don't like it, ship it back and we'll refund your money. OK, I had them give me a box.

After driving it('96 Sahara 3540)to Oregon I had decided it was better, but it was just covering up a problem, not correcting it, so, I crawled under it and removed the Steer Safe System. I found the problem of it wandering around while under it.

The steering shaft that is attached to the steering wheel is attached to the sector box by a coupling with 2 u-joints. There are pinch bolts on either end of the u-joint coupler. You could turn the bolts with your fingers. I put a pair of vice grips on the steering shaft and could turn it but the input shaft to the sector box did not turn.

I tightened the 2 pinch bolts, and with the Safe Steer removed, I took it for a drive. The steering was as tight as my Honda CRV. No slop, no looseness, it drove like a different coach.

Now after 6 years of ownership, it is still drives great. I check the pinch bolts every fall, when I am under it greasing the chassis.

Jim
'96 Sahara 3540, 300 CAT, 520W Solar

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, Dick Missett <dngmissett@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who have responded and offered input on this thread. Although the reviews and input for the spring style Steer Safe have been just as positive as the hydraulic style stabilizer I have decided to go with the Safe T Plus hydraulic style. It should be here early next week. 
>
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Sahara 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dick <dngmissett@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:06 PM
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Stabilizer opinions
>
>  
> Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
>
> Dick Missett
> 98 Safari 300 CAT
> Wyoming, PA
>

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Group: Safarifriends Message: 19638 From: Irtys Miller Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
My Sahara has two grease zerts on the steering shaft. Second one is opposite side of the first one.You have to look for it.--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, nanandpete@... wrote:
>
> Just went out and looked at the steering shaft U joint. No U clips with nuts, No slop in the shaft. Guess what, it has a grease fitting! Never been greased since I have had the coach, has now. Folks might take a look at theirs to see what kind they have, if it is loose, if it has a grease fitting, etc.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Peticolas" <tom.peticolas@...>
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:17:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
>
>
>
>
>
> Good idea. Also, after you check the steering and suspension, you may want to verify that your alignment is correct before you spend the big bucks. :-)
>
> Tom
> 99 Safari Trek
>
> On Dec 1, 2012 11:07 AM, < nanandpete@... > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Just read this post , the one from Dick Missett and the ride height adjustment on Yahoo. My 1999 30' Sahara has the 500# weight in the front, steer safe, and hydraulic stabilizer. Still wanders. I am going to check the steering U joints and go from Bilsteins to Konis, I guess this is the last option.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jimlyndabrooks" < jimlyndabrooks@... >
> To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:02:43 AM
> Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
>
> Hello,
>
> When we got our '96 Sahara in '06, it wandered around like I was pushing a pencil on a table top. This was in Houston. On the way to Oregon, by way of New Mexico, I stopped by the Safe Steer place, and after talking with them, decided I needed to buy their product. Drive it to Oregon and if you don't like it, ship it back and we'll refund your money. OK, I had them give me a box.
>
> After driving it('96 Sahara 3540)to Oregon I had decided it was better, but it was just covering up a problem, not correcting it, so, I crawled under it and removed the Steer Safe System. I found the problem of it wandering around while under it.
>
> The steering shaft that is attached to the steering wheel is attached to the sector box by a coupling with 2 u-joints. There are pinch bolts on either end of the u-joint coupler. You could turn the bolts with your fingers. I put a pair of vice grips on the steering shaft and could turn it but the input shaft to the sector box did not turn.
>
> I tightened the 2 pinch bolts, and with the Safe Steer removed, I took it for a drive. The steering was as tight as my Honda CRV. No slop, no looseness, it drove like a different coach.
>
> Now after 6 years of ownership, it is still drives great. I check the pinch bolts every fall, when I am under it greasing the chassis.
>
> Jim
> '96 Sahara 3540, 300 CAT, 520W Solar
>
> --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com , Dick Missett <dngmissett@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to all who have responded and offered input on this thread. Although the reviews and input for the spring style Steer Safe have been just as positive as the hydraulic style stabilizer I have decided to go with the Safe T Plus hydraulic style. It should be here early next week.Â
> >
> >
> > Dick Missett
> > 98 Sahara 300 CAT
> > Wyoming, PA
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Dick <dngmissett@>
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:06 PM
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Stabilizer opinions
> >
> > Â
> > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> >
> > Dick Missett
> > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > Wyoming, PA
> >
>
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 19639 From: Phillip and Joyce Date: 12/1/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
On my last to mohos they both had two grease fittings one you can get to from under the moho the other one is INSIDE the moho at the far end of the steering column next to the floor,you have to remove the lower cover to get to it.
Phil
2003 Safari Sahara

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Irtys Miller" <purrn2@...> wrote:
>
>
> My Sahara has two grease zerts on the steering shaft. Second one is opposite side of the first one.You have to look for it.--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, nanandpete@ wrote:
> >
> > Just went out and looked at the steering shaft U joint. No U clips with nuts, No slop in the shaft. Guess what, it has a grease fitting! Never been greased since I have had the coach, has now. Folks might take a look at theirs to see what kind they have, if it is loose, if it has a grease fitting, etc.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Peticolas" <tom.peticolas@>
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:17:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good idea. Also, after you check the steering and suspension, you may want to verify that your alignment is correct before you spend the big bucks. :-)
> >
> > Tom
> > 99 Safari Trek
> >
> > On Dec 1, 2012 11:07 AM, < nanandpete@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just read this post , the one from Dick Missett and the ride height adjustment on Yahoo. My 1999 30' Sahara has the 500# weight in the front, steer safe, and hydraulic stabilizer. Still wanders. I am going to check the steering U joints and go from Bilsteins to Konis, I guess this is the last option.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jimlyndabrooks" < jimlyndabrooks@ >
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:02:43 AM
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > When we got our '96 Sahara in '06, it wandered around like I was pushing a pencil on a table top. This was in Houston. On the way to Oregon, by way of New Mexico, I stopped by the Safe Steer place, and after talking with them, decided I needed to buy their product. Drive it to Oregon and if you don't like it, ship it back and we'll refund your money. OK, I had them give me a box.
> >
> > After driving it('96 Sahara 3540)to Oregon I had decided it was better, but it was just covering up a problem, not correcting it, so, I crawled under it and removed the Steer Safe System. I found the problem of it wandering around while under it.
> >
> > The steering shaft that is attached to the steering wheel is attached to the sector box by a coupling with 2 u-joints. There are pinch bolts on either end of the u-joint coupler. You could turn the bolts with your fingers. I put a pair of vice grips on the steering shaft and could turn it but the input shaft to the sector box did not turn.
> >
> > I tightened the 2 pinch bolts, and with the Safe Steer removed, I took it for a drive. The steering was as tight as my Honda CRV. No slop, no looseness, it drove like a different coach.
> >
> > Now after 6 years of ownership, it is still drives great. I check the pinch bolts every fall, when I am under it greasing the chassis.
> >
> > Jim
> > '96 Sahara 3540, 300 CAT, 520W Solar
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com , Dick Missett <dngmissett@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks to all who have responded and offered input on this thread. Although the reviews and input for the spring style Steer Safe have been just as positive as the hydraulic style stabilizer I have decided to go with the Safe T Plus hydraulic style. It should be here early next week.Â
> > >
> > >
> > > Dick Missett
> > > 98 Sahara 300 CAT
> > > Wyoming, PA
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Dick <dngmissett@>
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:06 PM
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Stabilizer opinions
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > >
> > > Dick Missett
> > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > Wyoming, PA
> > >
> >
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Group: Safarifriends Message: 19645 From: nanandpete@q.com Date: 12/2/2012
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
Found the one on the inside. it is right out in the open on the '99. Like you said, there is a grease zerk on it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillip and Joyce" <rvtips@...>
To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:00:27 PM
Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions

On my last to mohos they both had two grease fittings one you can get to from under the moho the other one is INSIDE the moho at the far end of the steering column next to the floor,you have to remove the lower cover to get to it.
Phil
2003 Safari Sahara

--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, "Irtys Miller" <purrn2@...> wrote:
>
>
> My Sahara has two grease zerts on the steering shaft. Second one is opposite side of the first one.You have to look for it.--- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, nanandpete@ wrote:
> >
> > Just went out and looked at the steering shaft U joint. No U clips with nuts, No slop in the shaft. Guess what, it has a grease fitting! Never been greased since I have had the coach, has now. Folks might take a look at theirs to see what kind they have, if it is loose, if it has a grease fitting, etc.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Peticolas" <tom.peticolas@>
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:17:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good idea. Also, after you check the steering and suspension, you may want to verify that your alignment is correct before you spend the big bucks. :-)
> >
> > Tom
> > 99 Safari Trek
> >
> > On Dec 1, 2012 11:07 AM, < nanandpete@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just read this post , the one from Dick Missett and the ride height adjustment on Yahoo. My 1999 30' Sahara has the 500# weight in the front, steer safe, and hydraulic stabilizer. Still wanders. I am going to check the steering U joints and go from Bilsteins to Konis, I guess this is the last option.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jimlyndabrooks" < jimlyndabrooks@ >
> > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:02:43 AM
> > Subject: [Safarifriends] Re: Steering Stabilizer opinions
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > When we got our '96 Sahara in '06, it wandered around like I was pushing a pencil on a table top. This was in Houston. On the way to Oregon, by way of New Mexico, I stopped by the Safe Steer place, and after talking with them, decided I needed to buy their product. Drive it to Oregon and if you don't like it, ship it back and we'll refund your money. OK, I had them give me a box.
> >
> > After driving it('96 Sahara 3540)to Oregon I had decided it was better, but it was just covering up a problem, not correcting it, so, I crawled under it and removed the Steer Safe System. I found the problem of it wandering around while under it.
> >
> > The steering shaft that is attached to the steering wheel is attached to the sector box by a coupling with 2 u-joints. There are pinch bolts on either end of the u-joint coupler. You could turn the bolts with your fingers. I put a pair of vice grips on the steering shaft and could turn it but the input shaft to the sector box did not turn.
> >
> > I tightened the 2 pinch bolts, and with the Safe Steer removed, I took it for a drive. The steering was as tight as my Honda CRV. No slop, no looseness, it drove like a different coach.
> >
> > Now after 6 years of ownership, it is still drives great. I check the pinch bolts every fall, when I am under it greasing the chassis.
> >
> > Jim
> > '96 Sahara 3540, 300 CAT, 520W Solar
> >
> > --- In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com , Dick Missett <dngmissett@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks to all who have responded and offered input on this thread. Although the reviews and input for the spring style Steer Safe have been just as positive as the hydraulic style stabilizer I have decided to go with the Safe T Plus hydraulic style. It should be here early next week.Â
> > >
> > >
> > > Dick Missett
> > > 98 Sahara 300 CAT
> > > Wyoming, PA
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Dick <dngmissett@>
> > > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:06 PM
> > > Subject: [Safarifriends] Steering Stabilizer opinions
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Looking for opinions and feedback from those that have installed either the Steer Safe (spring style) or the hydraulic style Safe T Plus steering stabilizer on their coach. I want to install one before I head to FL right after the 1st of the year with the expectation that it will minimize some of the white knuckle driving that I experienced in the high winds between GA & VA on the way north last March. I'm leaning towards the Steer Safe which appears to be less of a challenge to adjust but appreciate any opinions / input.
> > >
> > > Dick Missett
> > > 98 Safari 300 CAT
> > > Wyoming, PA
> > >
> >
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