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Group: Safarifriends Message: 37068 From: James Exler Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37071 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37083 From: ondaflore Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37091 From: James Exler Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37094 From: TD Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37096 From: Rollin' Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37101 From: Bill Edwards Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
Group: Safarifriends Message: 37131 From: ondaflore Date: 12/9/2017
Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
Group: Safarifriends Message: 38370 From: bowhunter0608 Date: 5/25/2018
Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure
Group: Safarifriends Message: 38385 From: James Exler Date: 5/27/2018
Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure
Group: Safarifriends Message: 38386 From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/27/2018
Subject: New file uploaded to Safarifriends
Group: Safarifriends Message: 38392 From: glennbarney@rocketmail.com Date: 5/27/2018
Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure
Group: Safarifriends Message: 38589 From: Doug Date: 6/17/2018
Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure
Group: Safarifriends Message: 38590 From: Bill Edwards Date: 6/18/2018
Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39647 From: James Exler Date: 9/18/2018
Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39648 From: Jeanne Kastl Date: 9/18/2018
Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39657 From: James Exler Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39660 From: Jeanne Kastl Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39664 From: Gary Smith Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39665 From: James Exler Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39666 From: Jeanne Kastl Date: 9/19/2018
Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
Group: Safarifriends Message: 39783 From: James Exler Date: 10/4/2018
Subject: Re: Difficult cold Start.
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40069 From: James Exler Date: 11/22/2018
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40337 From: James Exler Date: 12/24/2018
Subject: Re: Starter will not engage, fuse? Update
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40340 From: mel96safari Date: 12/24/2018
Subject: Re: Starter will not engage, fuse? Update
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40929 From: mizzou_craig Date: 3/9/2019
Subject: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40930 From: TD Date: 3/9/2019
Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40937 From: mel96safari Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40939 From: Robert Lewis Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40943 From: mizzou_craig Date: 3/10/2019
Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40948 From: mel96safari Date: 3/11/2019
Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40982 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 3/17/2019
Subject: Re: Bad ECM? (was: 1999 Safari Zanzibar Cat 3126 Bad ECM)
Group: Safarifriends Message: 40984 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 3/17/2019
Subject: Re: fluid for for hydraulic leveling system
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41004 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 3/18/2019
Subject: Re: just bought a 1998 safari sarengeti and have some questions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41013 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 3/18/2019
Subject: Re: just bought a 1998 safari sarengeti and have some questions
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41247 From: slumbermachine Date: 4/5/2019
Subject: Inverter, isolator, house bus upgrade diagram
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41248 From: Gary Smith Date: 4/5/2019
Subject: Re: Inverter, isolator, house bus upgrade diagram
Group: Safarifriends Message: 41866 From: James Exler Date: 6/13/2019
Subject: Re: Specs for oil change etc
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42266 From: wolfe102001 Date: 7/23/2019
Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42272 From: Gregory Self Date: 7/23/2019
Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42273 From: Bill Edwards Date: 7/23/2019
Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42274 From: Gregory Self Date: 7/23/2019
Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42277 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/23/2019
Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42507 From: James Exler Date: 8/2/2019
Subject: Re: engine stumble on startup
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42523 From: Bill Edwards Date: 8/3/2019
Subject: Re: engine stumble on startup
Group: Safarifriends Message: 42525 From: bilmac36 Date: 8/3/2019
Subject: Re: engine stumble on startup
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Subject: Re: Digest Number 5769



Group: Safarifriends Message: 37068 From: James Exler Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
Attachments :

    Bob,

    I have attached a HEUI whitepaper providing an overview of the system and the components.

    The primary filter and water separator are shown as 2 components but in fact our coaches use a combination device to provide both functions. Micron filtration will run between 10 and 30 microns; I prefer 10 for my coach.

    The secondary filter is after the fuel pump and is very critical. Most experts say "don't mess around, use the approved Cat filter". The cost difference from a Cat 1R-0751 and most of the "or equals" is about $2. To me it is not worth the chance of inferior filtration so I use the Cat filter. For many years the 1R-0751 was listed as a 2 micron filter but now Cat lists it as a 4.2 micron. This is due to a universal rating system. Micron ratings are highly subjective so just use the Cat filter and be comfortable.

    If your system is plumbed differently, you better find out why to avoid problems.

    Jim Exler



    On 12/6/2017 8:53 PM, ondaflore@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
     

    Jim, I'll go back and look, but I think I traced the output hose from the water separating filter and it looped back around and went into the 10 micron filter.

    Bob
    2001 Zanzibar

    ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <jimxexler@...> wrote :

    Bob,

    One small correction; the primary fuel filter/separator is under suction from the tank to the fuel pump mounted on the HEUI pump but the secondary fuel filter (1R-0751) is under 30-80 psi pressure from the pump to the fuel rail and the injectors.

    Jim Exler



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    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37071 From: wolfe102001 Date: 12/7/2017
    Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
    Yes, it is critical that the fuel system be plumbed as follows (I have never seen one done differently-- unless someone unfamiliar with the system worked on it):

    Fuel tank
    Primary fuel filter/water separator (10-30 micron filter element)
    Lift pump
    Secondary fuel filter (between 2 and 5 micron, depending on engine manufacturer's specs)
    Fuel injection pump/HEUI pump

    Secondary filter is NEVER immediately after the primary. Primary is on the SUCTION  side.  Secondary on the PRESSURE side.

    Brett
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37083 From: ondaflore Date: 12/7/2017
    Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
    Thanks Jim and Brett!

    Ok, After reviewing Jim's HEUI white paper, I realize I was referring to the Left hand water separating filter in the service bay as the "Primary Filter" and the filter on the right side of the bay as the "Secondary Filter".  The filter on the right is the "Primary Filter" and the Secondary Filter is mounted on the engine, specifically on the high pressure oil pump.  And it is under pressure.  I stand corrected.  No, I stand educated!  I believe it is still correct to say that both filters in the service bay are under suction, not pressure.

    Bob
    2001 Zanzibar
    CAT3126B


    ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <bawolfe10@...> wrote :

    Yes, it is critical that the fuel system be plumbed as follows (I have never seen one done differently-- unless someone unfamiliar with the system worked on it):

    Fuel tank
    Primary fuel filter/water separator (10-30 micron filter element)
    Lift pump
    Secondary fuel filter (between 2 and 5 micron, depending on engine manufacturer's specs)
    Fuel injection pump/HEUI pump

    Secondary filter is NEVER immediately after the primary. Primary is on the SUCTION  side.  Secondary on the PRESSURE side.

    Brett
    Group: Safarifriends Message: 37091 From: James Exler Date: 12/7/2017
    Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
    Attachments :

      Bob,

      That is not correct; the filter on the left with the primer pump is the primary separator/filter; probably Racor. The one on the right is the secondary. Please post the numbers and make of both filters.

      I have attached the chassis manual for your coach; check out page 60.

      Jim Exler


      On 12/7/2017 7:15 PM, ondaflore@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Thanks Jim and Brett!

      Ok, After reviewing Jim's HEUI white paper, I realize I was referring to the Left hand water separating filter in the service bay as the "Primary Filter" and the filter on the right side of the bay as the "Secondary Filter".  The filter on the right is the "Primary Filter" and the Secondary Filter is mounted on the engine, specifically on the high pressure oil pump.  And it is under pressure.  I stand corrected.  No, I stand educated!  I believe it is still correct to say that both filters in the service bay are under suction, not pressure.

      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar
      CAT3126B



      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <bawolfe10@...> wrote :

      Yes, it is critical that the fuel system be plumbed as follows (I have never seen one done differently-- unless someone unfamiliar with the system worked on it):

      Fuel tank
      Primary fuel filter/water separator (10-30 micron filter element)
      Lift pump
      Secondary fuel filter (between 2 and 5 micron, depending on engine manufacturer's specs)
      Fuel injection pump/HEUI pump

      Secondary filter is NEVER immediately after the primary. Primary is on the SUCTION  side.  Secondary on the PRESSURE side.

      Brett


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 37094 From: TD Date: 12/7/2017
      Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
      Bob, Brett, and Gary,

      Unless something was modified, I would venture to guess that maybe Bob is mistaking the coolant filter/conditioner as the fuel filter??? Again, just a guess...

      John
      '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
      6spd.


      On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:09 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


      Bob,

      That is not correct; the filter on the left with the primer pump is the primary separator/filter; probably Racor. The one on the right is the secondary. Please post the numbers and make of both filters.

      I have attached the chassis manual for your coach; check out page 60.

      Jim Exler


      On 12/7/2017 7:15 PM, ondaflore@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Thanks Jim and Brett!

      Ok, After reviewing Jim's HEUI white paper, I realize I was referring to the Left hand water separating filter in the service bay as the "Primary Filter" and the filter on the right side of the bay as the "Secondary Filter".  The filter on the right is the "Primary Filter" and the Secondary Filter is mounted on thee engine, specifically on the high pressure oil pump.  And it is under pressure.  I stand corrected.  No, I stand educated!  I believe it is still correct to say that both filters in the service bay are under suction, not pressure.

      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar
      CAT3126B



      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <bawolfe10@...> wrote :

      Yes, it is critical that the fuel system be plumbed as follows (I have never seen one done differently-- unless someone unfamiliar with the system worked on it):

      Fuel tank
      Primary fuel filter/water separator (10-30 micron filter element)
      Lift pump
      Secondary fuel filter (between 2 and 5 micron, depending on engine manufacturer's specs)
      Fuel injection pump/HEUI pump

      Secondary filter is NEVER immediately after the primary. Primary is on the SUCTION  side.  Secondary on the PRESSURE side.

      Brett


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 37096 From: Rollin' Date: 12/7/2017
      Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
      I don't think any of the CATs used a coolant filter.  That's a Cummins thing.  I will see about driving across town tomorrow (not a big deal) and laying on the cold concrete (a big deal) and trace out the hoses once and for all.  I still think that I saw a canister filter on the engine that was not the oil filter.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.  I prefer to explore and understand the systems on my coach when everything is working properly, so I know which rock to look under when a problem arises.

      Bob


      On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:33 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
      <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Bob, Brett, and Gary,

      Unless something was modified, I would venture to guess that maybe Bob is mistaking the coolant filter/conditioner as the fuel filter??? Again, just a guess...

      John
      '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
      6spd.


      On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:09 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


      Bob,

      That is not correct; the filter on the left with the primer pump is the primary separator/filter; probably Racor. The one on the right is the secondary. Please post the numbers and make of both filters.

      I have attached the chassis manual for your coach; check out page 60.

      Jim Exler


      On 12/7/2017 7:15 PM, ondaflore@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Thanks Jim and Brett!

      Ok, After reviewing Jim's HEUI white paper, I realize I was referring to the Left hand water separating filter in the service bay as the "Primary Filter" and the filter on the right side of the bay as the "Secondary Filter".  The filter on the right is the "Primary Filter" and the Secondary Filter is mounted on thee engine, specifically on the high pressure oil pump.  And it is under pressure.  I stand corrected.  No, I stand educated!  I believe it is still correct to say that both filters in the service bay are under suction, not pressure.

      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar
      CAT3126B



      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <bawolfe10@...> wrote :

      Yes, it is critical that the fuel system be plumbed as follows (I have never seen one done differently-- unless someone unfamiliar with the system worked on it):

      Fuel tank
      Primary fuel filter/water separator (10-30 micron filter element)
      Lift pump
      Secondary fuel filter (between 2 and 5 micron, depending on engine manufacturer's specs)
      Fuel injection pump/HEUI pump

      Secondary filter is NEVER immediately after the primary. Primary is on the SUCTION  side.  Secondary on the PRESSURE side.

      Brett


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 37101 From: Bill Edwards Date: 12/7/2017
      Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
      Oh but you are incorrect. On my C12 CAt there is a coolant filter, That said I do not believe common on the other engines, as it is not on he 2001 Z. The coolant filter is mounted on the C12 not the service bay.

      Boll Edwards
      1999 Panther


      On Thursday, December 7, 2017 9:37 PM, "Rollin' ondaflore@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


       
      I don't think any of the CATs used a coolant filter.  That's a Cummins thing.  I will see about driving across town tomorrow (not a big deal) and laying on the cold concrete (a big deal) and trace out the hoses once and for all.  I still think that I saw a canister filter on the engine that was not the oil filter.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.  I prefer to explore and understand the systems on my coach when everything is working properly, so I know which rock to look under when a problem arises.

      Bob


      On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:33 PM, TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]
      <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       
      Bob, Brett, and Gary,

      Unless something was modified, I would venture to guess that maybe Bob is mistaking the coolant filter/conditioner as the fuel filter??? Again, just a guess...

      John
      '95 Safari Serengeti 38ft, 300 Cummins 8.3CTA, Allison
      6spd.


      On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:09 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


      Bob,
      That is not correct; the filter on the left with the primer pump is the primary separator/filter; probably Racor. The one on the right is the secondary. Please post the numbers and make of both filters.
      I have attached the chassis manual for your coach; check out page 60.
      Jim Exler

      On 12/7/2017 7:15 PM, ondaflore@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Thanks Jim and Brett!

      Ok, After reviewing Jim's HEUI white paper, I realize I was referring to the Left hand water separating filter in the service bay as the "Primary Filter" and the filter on the right side of the bay as the "Secondary Filter".  The filter on the right is the "Primary Filter" and the Secondary Filter is mounted on thee engine, specifically on the high pressure oil pump.  And it is under pressure.  I stand corrected.  No, I stand educated!  I believe it is still correct to say that both filters in the service bay are under suction, not pressure.

      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar
      CAT3126B


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <bawolfe10@...> wrote :

      Yes, it is critical that the fuel system be plumbed as follows (I have never seen one done differently-- unless someone unfamiliar with the system worked on it):

      Fuel tank
      Primary fuel filter/water separator (10-30 micron filter element)
      Lift pump
      Secondary fuel filter (between 2 and 5 micron, depending on engine manufacturer's specs)
      Fuel injection pump/HEUI pump

      Secondary filter is NEVER immediately after the primary. Primary is on the SUCTION  side.  Secondary on the PRESSURE side.

      Brett


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 37131 From: ondaflore Date: 12/9/2017
      Subject: Re: identify the tank left top corner
      All,

      Sorry to get everyone stirred up!  I had to run over to the coach yesterday to drain and winterize my plumbing system ahead of the 25°F low we had last night (At least we avoided the snow to the South and East of us).  I took the time to crawl under and look at the back side of the service center.  It was obvious, without tracing the oil lines end to end, that the primary Racor filter mount was fed by a line from the tank up front, and ran towards the engine. The secondary filter lines ran parallel to each other, towards the engine, no doubt to the HEUI pump, so, my system is plumbed correctly.  I was misled by a quick glance, months ago, in warmer weather. My primary filter is a NAPA 3231 with clear sediment bowl (NAPA 600136) and the secondary canister filter is a NAPA 3377, which they list as a 2 micron filter.  The secondary filter mount is painted CAT yellow. That should have been a clue in itself!  Again, sorry for the confusion, and as always,thanks for the help and redirection.
       
      Bob
      2001 Zanzibar
      CAT 3126B (7.2 liter, 330hp)


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <jimxexler@...> wrote :

      Bob,

      That is not correct; the filter on the left with the primer pump is the primary separator/filter; probably Racor. The one on the right is the secondary. Please post the numbers and make of both filters.

      I have attached the chassis manual for your coach; check out page 60.

      Jim Exler



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 38370 From: bowhunter0608 Date: 5/25/2018
      Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure
      We had a bus with a 3126, driver reported one morning that her oil level seemed very high. we pulled it into the shop to check, figued someone got crazy with adding oil, drained a little out and sent it back out. A few days later she reports the oil level is very high this time. This time when i pulled the dipstick, i could clearly smell the diesel in the oil. HEUI pump lost a seal and decided to start dumping fuel into the oil. ANother mechanic in the shop knew this was going on for several weeks, but figured it would be fine until we had time to get it fixed. He failed to inform me, the shop supervisor. Replacing the HEUI pump was fine, problem was the mixing of the oil and Diesel ruined 3 of the injectors as the oil was also contaminating the fuel. After that, every 3125 we had, when we performed oil changes, we always checked the opi for fuel. We found a few more that had fuel in the oil but caught them before any damage was done.
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 38385 From: James Exler Date: 5/27/2018
      Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure

      PLEASE SIGN YOUR POSTS!!!!!

      I don't know where you got the idea that the 3126 HEUI system does not have a pump but you are wrong.

      Mounted on the back of the HEUI oil pump is a fuel transfer pump which draws fuel through the primary water separator/filter and pushes fuel through the secondary filter pressurizing the fuel to 65 psi in the fuel supply rail drilled in the engine head.

      I will post a file to the site for all to review so you can better understand the HEUI system.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 5/27/2018 12:41 PM, grbarney@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Keith,
      I agree completely with you assessment that our 3126 engines are unlikely to exceed the 60 GPH fuel consumption rate even at full power. However, that filter rating is misleading. The filter ratings are SAE standard ratings, not specific to our application. There are three variables involved in the rating, the restriction of the filter, the viscosity of the fluid, and the pressure applied to the fluid. I have searched through some of the SAE filter rating documents, but haven't found a standard fluid viscosity or pressure used for making these filter ratings. 
      I have assumed, possibly incorrectly, that the fluid used would be #2 diesel since these are diesel filters. However as far as pressure used, I expect that whatever the standard rating pressure is, it is much higher than that pressure we have in our specific application. Our Winn-Racor filters are located in the suction side of the transfer pump. Since our rigs don't have a lift pump, tank pump, or in-line pump of any sort, the only source of pressure to move the fuel through the filter is atmospheric pressure through the tank vent, or 14.7 PSI at sea level. And since the transfer pump would never be efficient enough to pull a perfect vacuum, the actual pressure to move the fuel through the filter will only be the differential between atmospheric pressure and the amount of vacuum the transfer pump is capable of pulling, maybe 10 to 12 PSI at best.
      Although I wasn't able to locate a standard rating pressure in the SAE documents I reviewed, I think it is very unlikely that the SAE standard ratings are performed at a pressure this low. Our other filter for example, the one down stream from the transfer pump, operates at 60 PSI. If the filter resistance remains constant, and the fluid viscosity remains constant, and the pressure forcing the fluid through the filter is reduced by half, then the fuel flow will also be reduced by half. Following this formula, if the 3230P 60 GPH filter rating was based on a pressure of 60 PSI, and then used in a system where there was only 12 PSI fluid pressure, the fluid flow would not still be 60 GPH, it would be 1/6th of that or 10 GPH. Again, I don't know that the SAE standard rating pressure is 60 PSI, or some other pressure, but think it is unlikely to be as low as 12 PSI. The example I've given is only to demonstrate how quickly the fuel flow can fall below the filter rated capacity if the pressure is below the standard used for determining the rating. 
      So my point in all this is that Safari's engineers had all the fuel consumption requirements available to them when they selected and installed the 90 GPH Winn-Racor filters on our coaches. There were lower capacity filters available, likely at lower cost, and they didn't select them. Given that I still have the same pressure available to for force the fuel through the filter, and the same viscosity fluid, if I install a filter rated for 60 GPH in place of the original 90 GPH rated filter, I will only have 2/3rds of the originally engineered fuel flow. Since going back to the 90 GPH filter made a difference in how the engine ran, I concluded that 2/3rds of the originally engineered fuel flow requirement just wasn't enough.

      On another note Keith, I also agree with your earlier post that restricted fuel flow, in theory, cannot result in increased engine operating temperature. As you stated, all diesel engines operate at a point of fuel starvation, there is no ignition system or air flow restriction, only fuel flow used to control engine power output. Less fuel equals sell power and less heat produced, never more heat.
      However, the Huei motor is a strange animal. It is a great example of how quickly complex leading edge of technology equipment very quickly become old complicated junk. Even the CAT technicians can't solve problems with them. If it is any more complicated than replacing the filters and checking the oil they are lost.
      I would not have fund what I did about the filters if Dave Atherton hadn't continued to focus my attention on the Winn-Racor unit as the source of my problems. 
      In these motors, fuel pump pressure is not directed to the injector nozzle, such that a reduction in pressure only results in reduced fuel injected to the cylinder during the power stroke. In the Huei motor fuel from the transfer pump fills the fuel chamber in each injector between injection cycles. When each injection cycle starts, hydraulic pressure on a piston in the injector pressurizes the fuel in the chamber and injects it into the cylinder. During the injection cycle, no additional fuel is available from the pump to the injector fuel chamber. So in the case of fuel starvation, the injection chamber may not be filled between injection cycles. If this occurs, then what fuel is there will be injected early in the injection cycle, none left for the later part of the cycle. Without fuel flowing through the nozzle to cool it, the nozzle may become overheated and possibly damaged. Also, without fuel to inject in the later part of the injection cycle it would effectively change the "timing" of the injection cycle by shortening it. Then there is the CPU, which makes adjustment based on operating conditions. The engine  manual even states that the engine may operate roughly after the batteries have been disconnected while it "re-learns" its normal operating conditions. So what is it re-learning, and how is it compensating? Is it adjusting the injection duration, or injection timing? How exactly was it programed to respond to operating conditions? How would it have been programed to respond to fuel starvation, if it was programmed for encountering fuel starvation at all? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, and I don't think Caterpillar knows the answers either. But I do know that switching to the 90 GPH filter made a huge difference in the engine performance and operating temperature. I can now climb long grades at WOT without downshifting and the coolant temperature may reach 200 degrees. With the 60 GPH filter I found myself downshifting usually all the way to 3rd to keep engine rpm above 2000, and coolant temperature still hit 225 degrees EVERY SINGLE TIME. 

      So my suggestions to others that may also be having overheat problems when climbing hills that they haven't been able to resolve, try changing out the Winn-Racor 3230P with a 3201P. Its a cheap and simple thing to try even though it doesn't make sense from a theoretical standpoint. Also make sure the pre-screen isn't leaking. If you can rotate it my hand, its leaking. If there is only fuel in the lower part and air in the top part, its leaking. If there is fuel on the outside of it, it is leaking air when the engine is running. If in doubt, replace the pre-screen and the "O" rings, then purge, purge, and purge again, until all the air is of the screen.


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 38386 From: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/27/2018
      Subject: New file uploaded to Safarifriends
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      Description : Cat 3126 HEUI fuel system

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      Regards,

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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 38392 From: glennbarney@rocketmail.com Date: 5/27/2018
      Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure
      Hi James,
      My apologies for not signing my post that you responded to. I thought I had it signed, don't know what happened.
      About the pump, what I intended to state is that the fuel transfer pump on the back of the HEUI  pump is the only fuel pump in the system. There is no other pump between the fuel tank and the Winn-Racor filter to push fuel through it to the transfer pump. Sorry if you didn't read it this way.
      My point here is that without any other pump between the fuel tank and the Winn-Racor filter, the only pressure to move fuel from the fuel tank, through the Winn-Racor filter, and to the inlet of the transfer pump is atmospheric pressure. Atmospheric pressure is very low, only 14.7 psi at sea level. And even lower at higher altitude, such as a high mountain pass. This very low pressure may be much lower that whatever the SAE standard pressure is that was used to test the flow rating for these filters. If the SAE standard test pressure was two, or three times, atmospheric pressure then the actual fuel flow in our application would only be half, or a third, of the filters rated fuel flow. 

      Glenn Barney
      '97 Continental, 4006.
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 38589 From: Doug Date: 6/17/2018
      Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure
      Jim,

      Also, I believe I read or posted something about the HEUI as well - on some models there is a gasket or something that separates the two 'sides' of the pump and if that fails, you have a real problem...it can send metal into the injectors. It just smacks of a horrendously piss-poor design for that particular model.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzUojErZRyU

      Doug
      '96 Safari

      On 5/27/2018 9:04 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      PLEASE SIGN YOUR POSTS!!!!!

      I don't know where you got the idea that the 3126 HEUI system does not have a pump but you are wrong.

      Mounted on the back of the HEUI oil pump is a fuel transfer pump which draws fuel through the primary water separator/filter and pushes fuel through the secondary filter pressurizing the fuel to 65 psi in the fuel supply rail drilled in the engine head.

      I will post a file to the site for all to review so you can better understand the HEUI system.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 5/27/2018 12:41 PM, grbarney@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Keith,
      I agree completely with you assessment that our 3126 engines are unlikely to exceed the 60 GPH fuel consumption rate even at full power. However, that filter rating is misleading. The filter ratings are SAE standard ratings, not specific to our application. There are three variables involved in the rating, the restriction of the filter, the viscosity of the fluid, and the pressure applied to the fluid. I have searched through some of the SAE filter rating documents, but haven't found a standard fluid viscosity or pressure used for making these filter ratings. 
      I have assumed, possibly incorrectly, that the fluid used would be #2 diesel since these are diesel filters. However as far as pressure used, I expect that whatever the standard rating pressure is, it is much higher than that pressure we have in our specific application. Our Winn-Racor filters are located in the suction side of the transfer pump. Since our rigs don't have a lift pump, tank pump, or in-line pump of any sort, the only source of pressure to move the fuel through the filter is atmospheric pressure through the tank vent, or 14.7 PSI at sea level. And since the transfer pump would never be efficient enough to pull a perfect vacuum, the actual pressure to move the fuel through the filter will only be the differential between atmospheric pressure and the amount of vacuum the transfer pump is capable of pulling, maybe 10 to 12 PSI at best.
      Although I wasn't able to locate a standard rating pressure in the SAE documents I reviewed, I think it is very unlikely that the SAE standard ratings are performed at a pressure this low. Our other filter for example, the one down stream from the transfer pump, operates at 60 PSI. If the filter resistance remains constant, and the fluid viscosity remains constant, and the pressure forcing the fluid through the filter is reduced by half, then the fuel flow will also be reduced by half. Following this formula, if the 3230P 60 GPH filter rating was based on a pressure of 60 PSI, and then used in a system where there was only 12 PSI fluid pressure, the fluid flow would not still be 60 GPH, it would be 1/6th of that or 10 GPH. Again, I don't know that the SAE standard rating pressure is 60 PSI, or some other pressure, but think it is unlikely to be as low as 12 PSI. The example I've given is only to demonstrate how quickly the fuel flow can fall below the filter rated capacity if the pressure is below the standard used for determining the rating. 
      So my point in all this is that Safari's engineers had all the fuel consumption requirements available to them when they selected and installed the 90 GPH Winn-Racor filters on our coaches. There were lower capacity filters available, likely at lower cost, and they didn't select them. Given that I still have the same pressure available to for force the fuel through the filter, and the same viscosity fluid, if I install a filter rated for 60 GPH in place of the original 90 GPH rated filter, I will only have 2/3rds of the originally engineered fuel flow. Since going back to the 90 GPH filter made a difference in how the engine ran, I concluded that 2/3rds of the originally engineered fuel flow requirement just wasn't enough.

      On another note Keith, I also agree with your earlier post that restricted fuel flow, in theory, cannot result in increased engine operating temperature. As you stated, all diesel engines operate at a point of fuel starvation, there is no ignition system or air flow restriction, only fuel flow used to control engine power output. Less fuel equals sell power and less heat produced, never more heat.
      However, the Huei motor is a strange animal. It is a great example of how quickly complex leading edge of technology equipment very quickly become old complicated junk. Even the CAT technicians can't solve problems with them. If it is any more complicated than replacing the filters and checking the oil they are lost.
      I would not have fund what I did about the filters if Dave Atherton hadn't continued to focus my attention on the Winn-Racor unit as the source of my problems. 
      In these motors, fuel pump pressure is not directed to the injector nozzle, such that a reduction in pressure only results in reduced fuel injected to the cylinder during the power stroke. In the Huei motor fuel from the transfer pump fills the fuel chamber in each injector between injection cycles. When each injection cycle starts, hydraulic pressure on a piston in the injector pressurizes the fuel in the chamber and injects it into the cylinder. During the injection cycle, no additional fuel is available from the pump to the injector fuel chamber. So in the case of fuel starvation, the injection chamber may not be filled between injection cycles. If this occurs, then what fuel is there will be injected early in the injection cycle, none left for the later part of the cycle. Without fuel flowing through the nozzle to cool it, the nozzle may become overheated and possibly damaged. Also, without fuel to inject in the later part of the injection cycle it would effectively change the "timing" of the injection cycle by shortening it. Then there is the CPU, which makes adjustment based on operating conditions. The engine  manual even states that the engine may operate roughly after the batteries have been disconnected while it "re-learns" its normal operating conditions. So what is it re-learning, and how is it compensating? Is it adjusting the injection duration, or injection timing? How exactly was it programed to respond to operating conditions? How would it have been programed to respond to fuel starvation, if it was programmed for encountering fuel starvation at all? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, and I don't think Caterpillar knows the answers either. But I do know that switching to the 90 GPH filter made a huge difference in the engine performance and operating temperature. I can now climb long grades at WOT without downshifting and the coolant temperature may reach 200 degrees. With the 60 GPH filter I found myself downshifting usually all the way to 3rd to keep engine rpm above 2000, and coolant temperature still hit 225 degrees EVERY SINGLE TIME. 

      So my suggestions to others that may also be having overheat problems when climbing hills that they haven't been able to resolve, try changing out the Winn-Racor 3230P with a 3201P. Its a cheap and simple thing to try even though it doesn't make sense from a theoretical standpoint. Also make sure the pre-screen isn't leaking. If you can rotate it my hand, its leaking. If there is only fuel in the lower part and air in the top part, its leaking. If there is fuel on the outside of it, it is leaking air when the engine is running. If in doubt, replace the pre-screen and the "O" rings, then purge, purge, and purge again, until all the air is of the screen.


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 38590 From: Bill Edwards Date: 6/18/2018
      Subject: Re: 3126 Injector Failure
      Good info Doug thank you

      Bill Edwards

      On Sunday, June 17, 2018, 10:09:35 PM MDT, Doug quantumrift@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


       

      Jim,

      Also, I believe I read or posted something about the HEUI as well - on some models there is a gasket or something that separates the two 'sides' of the pump and if that fails, you have a real problem...it can send metal into the injectors. It just smacks of a horrendously piss-poor design for that particular model.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzUojErZRyU

      Doug
      '96 Safari

      On 5/27/2018 9:04 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      PLEASE SIGN YOUR POSTS!!!!!

      I don't know where you got the idea that the 3126 HEUI system does not have a pump but you are wrong.

      Mounted on the back of the HEUI oil pump is a fuel transfer pump which draws fuel through the primary water separator/filter and pushes fuel through the secondary filter pressurizing the fuel to 65 psi in the fuel supply rail drilled in the engine head.

      I will post a file to the site for all to review so you can better understand the HEUI system.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 5/27/2018 12:41 PM, grbarney@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Keith,
      I agree completely with you assessment that our 3126 engines are unlikely to exceed the 60 GPH fuel consumption rate even at full power. However, that filter rating is misleading. The filter ratings are SAE standard ratings, not specific to our application. There are three variables involved in the rating, the restriction of the filter, the viscosity of the fluid, and the pressure applied to the fluid. I have searched through some of the SAE filter rating documents, but haven't found a standard fluid viscosity or pressure used for making these filter ratings. 
      I have assumed, possibly incorrectly, that the fluid used would be #2 diesel since these are diesel filters. However as far as pressure used, I expect that whatever the standard rating pressure is, it is much higher than that pressure we have in our specific application. Our Winn-Racor filters are located in the suction side of the transfer pump. Since our rigs don't have a lift pump, tank pump, or in-line pump of any sort, the only source of pressure to move the fuel through the filter is atmospheric pressure through the tank vent, or 14.7 PSI at sea level. And since the transfer pump would never be efficient enough to pull a perfect vacuum, the actual pressure to move the fuel through the filter will only be the differential between atmospheric pressure and the amount of vacuum the transfer pump is capable of pulling, maybe 10 to 12 PSI at best.
      Although I wasn't able to locate a standard rating pressure in the SAE documents I reviewed, I think it is very unlikely that the SAE standard ratings are performed at a pressure this low. Our other filter for example, the one down stream from the transfer pump, operates at 60 PSI. If the filter resistance remains constant, and the fluid viscosity remains constant, and the pressure forcing the fluid through the filter is reduced by half, then the fuel flow will also be reduced by half. Following this formula, if the 3230P 60 GPH filter rating was based on a pressure of 60 PSI, and then used in a system where there was only 12 PSI fluid pressure, the fluid flow would not still be 60 GPH, it would be 1/6th of that or 10 GPH. Again, I don't know that the SAE standard rating pressure is 60 PSI, or some other pressure, but think it is unlikely to be as low as 12 PSI. The example I've given is only to demonstrate how quickly the fuel flow can fall below the filter rated capacity if the pressure is below the standard used for determining the rating. 
      So my point in all this is that Safari's engineers had all the fuel consumption requirements available to them when they selected and installed the 90 GPH Winn-Racor filters on our coaches. There were lower capacity filters available, likely at lower cost, and they didn't select them. Given that I still have the same pressure available to for force the fuel through the filter, and the same viscosity fluid, if I install a filter rated for 60 GPH in place of the original 90 GPH rated filter, I will only have 2/3rds of the originally engineered fuel flow. Since going back to the 90 GPH filter made a difference in how the engine ran, I concluded that 2/3rds of the originally engineered fuel flow requirement just wasn't enough.

      On another note Keith, I also agree with your earlier post that restricted fuel flow, in theory, cannot result in increased engine operating temperature. As you stated, all diesel engines operate at a point of fuel starvation, there is no ignition system or air flow restriction, only fuel flow used to control engine power output. Less fuel equals sell power and less heat produced, never more heat.
      However, the Huei motor is a strange animal. It is a great example of how quickly complex leading edge of technology equipment very quickly become old complicated junk. Even the CAT technicians can't solve problems with them. If it is any more complicated than replacing the filters and checking the oil they are lost.
      I would not have fund what I did about the filters if Dave Atherton hadn't continued to focus my attention on the Winn-Racor unit as the source of my problems. 
      In these motors, fuel pump pressure is not directed to the injector nozzle, such that a reduction in pressure only results in reduced fuel injected to the cylinder during the power stroke. In the Huei motor fuel from the transfer pump fills the fuel chamber in each injector between injection cycles. When each injection cycle starts, hydraulic pressure on a piston in the injector pressurizes the fuel in the chamber and injects it into the cylinder. During the injection cycle, no additional fuel is available from the pump to the injector fuel chamber. So in the case of fuel starvation, the injection chamber may not be filled between injection cycles. If this occurs, then what fuel is there will be injected early in the injection cycle, none left for the later part of the cycle. Without fuel flowing through the nozzle to cool it, the nozzle may become overheated and possibly damaged. Also, without fuel to inject in the later part of the injection cycle it would effectively change the "timing" of the injection cycle by shortening it. Then there is the CPU, which makes adjustment based on operating conditions. The engine  manual even states that the engine may operate roughly after the batteries have been disconnected while it "re-learns" its normal operating conditions. So what is it re-learning, and how is it compensating? Is it adjusting the injection duration, or injection timing? How exactly was it programed to respond to operating conditions? How would it have been programed to respond to fuel starvation, if it was programmed for encountering fuel starvation at all? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, and I don't think Caterpillar knows the answers either. But I do know that switching to the 90 GPH filter made a huge difference in the engine performance and operating temperature. I can now climb long grades at WOT without downshifting and the coolant temperature may reach 200 degrees. With the 60 GPH filter I found myself downshifting usually all the way to 3rd to keep engine rpm above 2000, and coolant temperature still hit 225 degrees EVERY SINGLE TIME. 

      So my suggestions to others that may also be having overheat problems when climbing hills that they haven't been able to resolve, try changing out the Winn-Racor 3230P with a 3201P. Its a cheap and simple thing to try even though it doesn't make sense from a theoretical standpoint. Also make sure the pre-screen isn't leaking. If you can rotate it my hand, its leaking. If there is only fuel in the lower part and air in the top part, its leaking. If there is fuel on the outside of it, it is leaking air when the engine is running. If in doubt, replace the pre-screen and the "O" rings, then purge, purge, and purge again, until all the air is of the screen.


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 39647 From: James Exler Date: 9/18/2018
      Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition

      Eric,

      There is a fuel pump on the back of the HEUI pump that pulls fuel from the tank through the primary filter/water separator and up to the pump. From there the fuel is pressurized to about 60 psi and after going through the secondary fuel filter, goes to a connection on the head of the engine where it is distributed through drillings to the injectors.

      If you have a bulb type pump on the primary filter, you should be able to pump it until it gets hard which would confirm the fuel system is sound.

      Any where along the line, a leak or loose fitting letting air into the system is critical and needs to be fixed. With the age of this unit and its fuel hoses, leaks are a problem.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 9/18/2018 3:20 PM, kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Ok have a question. Our Safari we have is 1996 with the 3126 cat it is not picking up fuel. Where do we start? Does it have a transfer pump? It ran fine when we brought it home just didn't have a lot of power.Since getting it home it doesn't want to start. We even tried using a fuel can it wouldn't pick up any fuel.We did not get any manuals with it and are in need of those as well. Any help is greatly appreciated.
      Thank you
      Eric and Jeanne Kastl
      Knoxville Tn



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 39648 From: Jeanne Kastl Date: 9/18/2018
      Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
      Hello Jim
      Can I put a additional electric fuel pump with a water seperator on it will this help pull fuel better our coach is 40 foot.Could you possibly give me a call? 


      On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:50 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
      <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Eric,

      There is a fuel pump on the back of the HEUI pump that pulls fuel from the tank through the primary filter/water separator and up to the pump. From there the fuel is pressurized to about 60 psi and after going through the secondary fuel filter, goes to a connection on the head of the engine where it is distributed through drillings to the injectors.

      If you have a bulb type pump on the primary filter, you should be able to pump it until it gets hard which would confirm the fuel system is sound.

      Any where along the line, a leak or loose fitting letting air into the system is critical and needs to be fixed. With the age of this unit and its fuel hoses, leaks are a problem.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 9/18/2018 3:20 PM, kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Ok have a question. Our Safari we have is 1996 with the 3126 cat it is not picking up fuel. Where do we start? Does it have a transfer pump? It ran fine when we brought it home just didn't have a lot of power.Since getting it home it doesn't want to start. We even tried using a fuel can it wouldn't pick up any fuel.We did not get any manuals with it and are in need of those as well. Any help is greatly appreciated.
      Thank you
      Eric and Jeanne Kastl
      Knoxville Tn



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 39657 From: James Exler Date: 9/19/2018
      Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition

      Send me a number and time.

      Jim


      On 9/18/2018 4:16 PM, Jeanne Kastl kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Hello Jim

      Can I put a additional electric fuel pump with a water seperator on it will this help pull fuel better our coach is 40 foot.Could you possibly give me a call? 


      On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:50 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
       

      Eric,

      There is a fuel pump on the back of the HEUI pump that pulls fuel from the tank through the primary filter/water separator and up to the pump. From there the fuel is pressurized to about 60 psi and after going through the secondary fuel filter, goes to a connection on the head of the engine where it is distributed through drillings to the injectors.

      If you have a bulb type pump on the primary filter, you should be able to pump it until it gets hard which would confirm the fuel system is sound.

      Any where along the line, a leak or loose fitting letting air into the system is critical and needs to be fixed. With the age of this unit and its fuel hoses, leaks are a problem.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 9/18/2018 3:20 PM, kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Ok have a question. Our Safari we have is 1996 with the 3126 cat it is not picking up fuel. Where do we start? Does it have a transfer pump? It ran fine when we brought it home just didn't have a lot of power.Since getting it home it doesn't want to start. We even tried using a fuel can it wouldn't pick up any fuel.We did not get any manuals with it and are in need of those as well. Any help is greatly appreciated.
      Thank you
      Eric and Jeanne Kastl
      Knoxville Tn



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 39660 From: Jeanne Kastl Date: 9/19/2018
      Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
      Jim
      What's your area code


      On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:11 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
      <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Send me a number and time.

      Jim


      On 9/18/2018 4:16 PM, Jeanne Kastl kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Hello Jim

      Can I put a additional electric fuel pump with a water seperator on it will this help pull fuel better our coach is 40 foot.Could you possibly give me a call? 


      On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:50 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
       

      Eric,

      There is a fuel pump on the back of the HEUI pump that pulls fuel from the tank through the primary filter/water separator and up to the pump. From there the fuel is pressurized to about 60 psi and after going through the secondary fuel filter, goes to a connection on the head of the engine where it is distributed through drillings to the injectors.

      If you have a bulb type pump on the primary filter, you should be able to pump it until it gets hard which would confirm the fuel system is sound.

      Any where along the line, a leak or loose fitting letting air into the system is critical and needs to be fixed. With the age of this unit and its fuel hoses, leaks are a problem.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 9/18/2018 3:20 PM, kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Ok have a question. Our Safari we have is 1996 with the 3126 cat it is not picking up fuel. Where do we start? Does it have a transfer pump? It ran fine when we brought it home just didn't have a lot of power.Since getting it home it doesn't want to start. We even tried using a fuel can it wouldn't pick up any fuel.We did not get any manuals with it and are in need of those as well. Any help is greatly appreciated.
      Thank you
      Eric and Jeanne Kastl
      Knoxville Tn



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 39664 From: Gary Smith Date: 9/19/2018
      Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
      Jim lives in Mountain Time.

      On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 7:19 PM Jeanne Kastl kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Jim

      What's your area code


      On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:11 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
       

      Send me a number and time.

      Jim


      On 9/18/2018 4:16 PM, Jeanne Kastl kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Hello Jim

      Can I put a additional electric fuel pump with a water seperator on it will this help pull fuel better our coach is 40 foot.Could you possibly give me a call? 


      On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:50 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
       

      Eric,

      There is a fuel pump on the back of the HEUI pump that pulls fuel from the tank through the primary filter/water separator and up to the pump. From there the fuel is pressurized to about 60 psi and after going through the secondary fuel filter, goes to a connection on the head of the engine where it is distributed through drillings to the injectors.

      If you have a bulb type pump on the primary filter, you should be able to pump it until it gets hard which would confirm the fuel system is sound.

      Any where along the line, a leak or loose fitting letting air into the system is critical and needs to be fixed. With the age of this unit and its fuel hoses, leaks are a problem.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 9/18/2018 3:20 PM, kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Ok have a question. Our Safari we have is 1996 with the 3126 cat it is not picking up fuel. Where do we start? Does it have a transfer pump? It ran fine when we brought it home just didn't have a lot of power.Since getting it home it doesn't want to start. We even tried using a fuel can it wouldn't pick up any fuel.We did not get any manuals with it and are in need of those as well. Any help is greatly appreciated.
      Thank you
      Eric and Jeanne Kastl
      Knoxville Tn



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      --
      Gary Smith
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 39665 From: James Exler Date: 9/19/2018
      Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition

      The area code for the home is (208). I always put it in parentheses as this is the way some computer programs require. The 805 code is for my cell and is left over from when we lived in southern California.

      Jim


      On 9/19/2018 2:16 PM, Jeanne Kastl kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      Jim

      What's your area code


      On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:11 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
       

      Send me a number and time.

      Jim


      On 9/18/2018 4:16 PM, Jeanne Kastl kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Hello Jim

      Can I put a additional electric fuel pump with a water seperator on it will this help pull fuel better our coach is 40 foot.Could you possibly give me a call? 


      On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:50 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
       

      Eric,

      There is a fuel pump on the back of the HEUI pump that pulls fuel from the tank through the primary filter/water separator and up to the pump. From there the fuel is pressurized to about 60 psi and after going through the secondary fuel filter, goes to a connection on the head of the engine where it is distributed through drillings to the injectors.

      If you have a bulb type pump on the primary filter, you should be able to pump it until it gets hard which would confirm the fuel system is sound.

      Any where along the line, a leak or loose fitting letting air into the system is critical and needs to be fixed. With the age of this unit and its fuel hoses, leaks are a problem.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 9/18/2018 3:20 PM, kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Ok have a question. Our Safari we have is 1996 with the 3126 cat it is not picking up fuel. Where do we start? Does it have a transfer pump? It ran fine when we brought it home just didn't have a lot of power.Since getting it home it doesn't want to start. We even tried using a fuel can it wouldn't pick up any fuel.We did not get any manuals with it and are in need of those as well. Any help is greatly appreciated.
      Thank you
      Eric and Jeanne Kastl
      Knoxville Tn



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 39666 From: Jeanne Kastl Date: 9/19/2018
      Subject: Re: 1996 Safari Contenital Ivory Edition
      Ok


      On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 8:19 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
      <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      The area code for the home is (208). I always put it in parentheses as this is the way some computer programs require. The 805 code is for my cell and is left over from when we lived in southern California.

      Jim


      On 9/19/2018 2:16 PM, Jeanne Kastl kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:

       

      Jim

      What's your area code


      On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:11 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
       

      Send me a number and time.

      Jim


      On 9/18/2018 4:16 PM, Jeanne Kastl kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Hello Jim

      Can I put a additional electric fuel pump with a water seperator on it will this help pull fuel better our coach is 40 foot.Could you possibly give me a call? 


      On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:50 PM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends]
       

      Eric,

      There is a fuel pump on the back of the HEUI pump that pulls fuel from the tank through the primary filter/water separator and up to the pump. From there the fuel is pressurized to about 60 psi and after going through the secondary fuel filter, goes to a connection on the head of the engine where it is distributed through drillings to the injectors.

      If you have a bulb type pump on the primary filter, you should be able to pump it until it gets hard which would confirm the fuel system is sound.

      Any where along the line, a leak or loose fitting letting air into the system is critical and needs to be fixed. With the age of this unit and its fuel hoses, leaks are a problem.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 9/18/2018 3:20 PM, kjann5727@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Ok have a question. Our Safari we have is 1996 with the 3126 cat it is not picking up fuel. Where do we start? Does it have a transfer pump? It ran fine when we brought it home just didn't have a lot of power.Since getting it home it doesn't want to start. We even tried using a fuel can it wouldn't pick up any fuel.We did not get any manuals with it and are in need of those as well. Any help is greatly appreciated.
      Thank you
      Eric and Jeanne Kastl
      Knoxville Tn



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 39783 From: James Exler Date: 10/4/2018
      Subject: Re: Difficult cold Start.

      Gary,

      Cat may have not intended to use a water separator but they defiantly use a primary filter as it shows in every drawing of their HEUI fuel system that I have.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 10/4/2018 10:17 AM, Gary Smith trekker01@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Rick,
      Dave told me Cat never intended for there to be a water separator in the system.  That was a decision SMC made.  Says the engine was designed to work properly without the Racor.  Suggested removing it.  

      If you got advise from him at the DieselRVClub forum, suggest you ask that question there so you get it straight from the expert.

      Gary
      '98 Sahara 3006 300CAT

      On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:44 AM willsonrick@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      After a week off to do other things, came home to do the test that Dave Atherton suggested on the system.  I did had small but noticeable amount of Air coming out of the fuel presure regulator/ fuel return line...   Called a friend who has the same primary(racor) system to see if he had any hissing sound when he primed the system. I did. He did not. Removed primary filter system from line and spliced in a union.  


      Tried to start 4 hours later.  Fired right up. Ran for 15 minutes.  No problems.   Let sit overnight to make sure it was a cold start.  Started right up this AM.  Much relief.  

      Situation now is:   No primary filter in line.  Racor system  apparently has a leak.  Replace or go another direction???  

      I think having a fuel/water separator is a good idea. Am I wrong?  recommendations?

      Thanks to everyone who contributed to my education. 

      Rick Willson, 98 Sahara, 3126, 300 hp 





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      Gary Smith


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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40069 From: James Exler Date: 11/22/2018
      Subject: Re: Fuel Pump

      Dave,

      The two filters in the side compartment are the primary and secondary; that's all there are.

      The fuel pump is mounted on the HEUI pump which is located on the passenger side of the engine near the fan end. Look down along side the engine and you will see it with 2 fuel lines connected.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 11/22/2018 6:52 AM, looking41234@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Hi all and a good Thanks Giving To all

      I would like to know the location 0f the fuel pump and fuel filters other then the ones in the compartment in the rear and how do you get to the fuel pump. Is the fuel pump external or in the tank?


      Dave
      2002 Zanzabar
      3126 Cat




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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40337 From: James Exler Date: 12/24/2018
      Subject: Re: Starter will not engage, fuse? Update

      Mel,

      So sorry I misspoke; the Cat 3126 in the 96 and later Safari coaches has an HEUI electronic injected fuel system. The add you published is for a mechanically injected as I stated and has no place in a HEUI.

      Please send me a schematic of the HEUI wiring showing the location of the fuel solenoid; the one I have does not show it.

      Everyone have a very MERRY CHRISTMAS.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID



      On 12/24/2018 2:00 PM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      Jim
      125-5771 Fuel Shut Off
                Solenoid 9X5312 For Caterpillar 3114 3116 3126 Engine 2
                Terminals 12VDC
      Mel
      '96 Sahara 250hp 3126 Cat


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <jimxexler@...> wrote :

      Tom,

      To the best of my knowledge, 3126 Cats don't have a fuel solenoid, that is only on mechanically injected engines. What did you disable?

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


      On 12/24/2018 11:48 AM, Solarnomads solarnomads@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       

      Just check remote start and engine turned over fine. Have disabled fuel solenoid so didn’t start it. Does that narrow the search?

      Thanks again
      Tom
      97 Safari ivory 3126





      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40340 From: mel96safari Date: 12/24/2018
      Subject: Re: Starter will not engage, fuse? Update
      Jim
      The only wiring schematics I have I downloaded from your "Safari Motorhome Electrical" site: http://jexler.s3.amazonaws.com/safari/safariElectrical.html
      Mel
      '96 Sahara 3530


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <jimxexler@...> wrote :

      Mel,

      So sorry I misspoke; the Cat 3126 in the 96 and later Safari coaches has an HEUI electronic injected fuel system. The add you published is for a mechanically injected as I stated and has no place in a HEUI.

      Please send me a schematic of the HEUI wiring showing the location of the fuel solenoid; the one I have does not show it.

      Everyone have a very MERRY CHRISTMAS.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID





      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40929 From: mizzou_craig Date: 3/9/2019
      Subject: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access

      Gentlemen,

      I need to replace the IAP  (IPR) valve located horizontally at the HEUI pump.  Does anybody have advice on accessing and removing this?   After removing the electrical connector, cheap metal nut and sliding off the housing, a deep socket does not reach to the nut to remove the dang thing.    It looks like if I remove the canister / bell housing of the HPOP, I could access it with a wrench rather easily.   Is there any issues or concerns with removing this reservoir?   It looks like a single bolt on the top of the canister is all that I would need to remove the bell housing.  I think I read somewhere to never remove this from the HPOP.


      As always, I appreciate the help of this amazing group.  I can usually get my questions answered without needing to ask but after searching I couldn't locate the information I needed this time.


      Craig - 1997 Ivory Edition with 3126 Cat 

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40930 From: TD Date: 3/9/2019
      Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
      Craig,

      Consider calling the CAT guru Dave Atherton to get his thoughts and expertise in regards to your questions and issues, he is a really easy going guy, and is always willing to help. His number is, 605-999-0720

      John
      95 Safari Serengeti 38'
      300 Cummins 8.3CTA
      6Spd Allison

      On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 9:17 PM only4urmail@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


      Gentlemen,

      I need to replace the IAP  (IPR) valve located horizontally at the HEUI pump.  Does anybody have advice on accessing and removing this?   After removing the electrical connector, cheap metal nut and sliding off the housing, a deep socket does not reach to the nut to remove the dang thing.    It looks like if I remove the canister / bell housing of the HPOP, I could access it with a wrench rather easily.   Is there any issues or concerns with removing this reservoir?   It looks like a single bolt on the top of the canister is all that I would need to remove the bell housing.  I think I read somewhere to never remove this from the HPOP.


      As always, I appreciate the help of this amazing group.  I can usually get my questions answered without needing to ask but after searching I couldn't locate the information I needed this time.


      Craig - 1997 Ivory Edition with 3126 Cat 



      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40937 From: mel96safari Date: 3/10/2019
      Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
      Craig
      I can't answer your "accessing and removing" question, sorry

      My IAPV,  (Injection Actuation Pressure Valve, Cat part #122-5053), was replaced in '09, (at 106,000) miles, at  McAllister Cat in Indianapolis.....The total cost, (for diagnostics/labor, the 122-5053 IAP valve, & a p/n 167-1709 sensor,) was $1075,98, (with $22.28 for sales tax).

      How many miles are on your '97 Ivory?


      Mel
      '96 Sahara 3126 Cat, (150.000 miles)


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <only4urmail@...> wrote :

      Gentlemen,

      I need to replace the IAP  (IPR) valve located horizontally at the HEUI pump.  Does anybody have advice on accessing and removing this?   After removing the electrical connector, cheap metal nut and sliding off the housing, a deep socket does not reach to the nut to remove the dang thing.    It looks like if I remove the canister / bell housing of the HPOP, I could access it with a wrench rather easily.   Is there any issues or concerns with removing this reservoir?   It looks like a single bolt on the top of the canister is all that I would need to remove the bell housing.  I think I read somewhere to never remove this from the HPOP.


      As always, I appreciate the help of this amazing group.  I can usually get my questions answered without needing to ask but after searching I couldn't locate the information I needed this time.


      Craig - 1997 Ivory Edition with 3126 Cat 

      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40939 From: Robert Lewis Date: 3/10/2019
      Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
      There is a person that does YouTube videos on Cat Engine repairs and he is a certified Cat mechanic. He might be willing to answer this question, he seems willing to help.


      Robert and Bev Lewis
      2000 Continental
      3126B Cat, 330hp
      MD3060 Allison

      On March 10, 2019 11:27:52 AM "stuplich@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Craig
      I can't answer your "accessing and removing" question, sorry

      My IAPV,  (Injection Actuation Pressure Valve, Cat part #122-5053), was replaced in '09, (at 106,000) miles, at  McAllister Cat in Indianapolis.....The total cost, (for diagnostics/labor, the 122-5053 IAP valve, & a p/n 167-1709 sensor,) was $1075,98, (with $22.28 for sales tax).

      How many miles are on your '97 Ivory?


      Mel
      '96 Sahara 3126 Cat, (150.000 miles)


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <only4urmail@...> wrote :

      Gentlemen,

      I need to replace the IAP  (IPR) valve located horizontally at the HEUI pump.  Does anybody have advice on accessing and removing this?   After removing the electrical connector, cheap metal nut and sliding off the housing, a deep socket does not reach to the nut to remove the dang thing.    It looks like if I remove the canister / bell housing of the HPOP, I could access it with a wrench rather easily.   Is there any issues or concerns with removing this reservoir?   It looks like a single bolt on the top of the canister is all that I would need to remove the bell housing.  I think I read somewhere to never remove this from the HPOP.


      As always, I appreciate the help of this amazing group.  I can usually get my questions answered without needing to ask but after searching I couldn't locate the information I needed this time.


      Craig - 1997 Ivory Edition with 3126 Cat 


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40943 From: mizzou_craig Date: 3/10/2019
      Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
      Mel,

      Thanks for sharing your experience with the IAPV. What symptoms did you experience when the valve went bad?  I have spoken to the local CAT dealer and would like to avoid the labor fees if possible although they they did indicate they would charge me the "truck" rate of $130/hr labor vs $150 RV rate.

      My Ivory Edition just turned over 94,000 miles.  And yes, I had already watched that video but because it is a truck the access is much easier than my RV.   The HEUI canister prevents me from getting a wrench on it and my deep socket won't slide down to the nut because ther is a protruding shaft on the valve after removing the sleeve.  I understand they make extra deep sockets and that might do the trick but I can't locate one locally.

      Craig - 97 Ivory Edition, 3126 CAT
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40948 From: mel96safari Date: 3/11/2019
      Subject: Re: IAP Injection Actuation Pressure Control Valve access
      Craig
      My engine was running okay while driving/moving... but it was surging at idle...(and sometimes shutting off).. when idling at a stop light... or in a rest area after pulling off the highway.

      As for the extra deep socket I suggest you ask a Caterpillar shop f they will lend you theirs.
      Mel
      '96 Sahara, 3126 Cat


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <only4urmail@...> wrote :

      Mel,

      Thanks for sharing your experience with the IAPV. What symptoms did you experience when the valve went bad?  I have spoken to the local CAT dealer and would like to avoid the labor fees if possible although they they did indicate they would charge me the "truck" rate of $130/hr labor vs $150 RV rate.

      My Ivory Edition just turned over 94,000 miles.  And yes, I had already watched that video but because it is a truck the access is much easier than my RV.   The HEUI canister prevents me from getting a wrench on it and my deep socket won't slide down to the nut because ther is a protruding shaft on the valve after removing the sleeve.  I understand they make extra deep sockets and that might do the trick but I can't locate one locally.

      Craig - 97 Ivory Edition, 3126 CAT
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40982 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 3/17/2019
      Subject: Re: Bad ECM? (was: 1999 Safari Zanzibar Cat 3126 Bad ECM)
      Robert,
       Great video and explanation!  I could have really used that six weeks ago. 

      Comings,
      I just had the same problem which occured  after removing all the batteries to refinish the battery rack.  Needless to say I did not reconnect the smaller wires (from the relay/fuse module (in or near the battery compartment) correctly.  I simply reconnected all smaller white wires to negative, the red ones to positive.  Two of those smaller white wires (VIM supply and BATT) land on a chassis battery positive terminal.  (The solar charger positive leads are also white, but this is not germane to our present problems).  

      You can tell if your engine ECM is not receiving power when turning your ignition to on; the intake preheat bulb does not briefly light, nor does the check engine light illuminate. Turning the key to start does nothing. You can spin the engine over with the start button in your rear service compartment, but the engine will not fire. 

      You can tell if your transmission ECM is not receiving power when neither of the LED digits on the controller will illuminate with the ignition switch in the ON position. 

      Both ESMs must be powered up for engine to start.  No question is a dumb question.  Good luck. 

      v/r,


      W Taylor Hudson, Jr.

      Black Creek, Florida (Jacksonville)

      1998 Safari Serengeti (40’ DP)

      (1997) Caterpillar 3126, 7.2L, 300 HP, 860 ftlbs@1440RPM,

       first generation HEUI direct injection

      Allison 3060 six speed “World” transmission

      Magnum chassis (Goodrich Velvet Ride rubber block torsion suspension)




      On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 12:46 PM Robert Lewis robert.lewis.tl@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Before you spent a lot of money on an Ecm, check all the voltages on the engine fuse panel. I documented a problem I had on, the failure to start I had on my CAT engine that might help.


      Robert and Bev Lewis
      2000 Continental
      3126B Cat, 330hp
      MD3060 Allison


      On March 14, 2019 11:33:09 AM "stuplich@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      cominsm@...?


      Please Sign your posts.
      Thanks.

      Mel
      '96 Sahara


      ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <cominsm@...> wrote :

      I was sick for a couple of years, so my motorhome sat with no maintenance. I ended up with roof leaks, now with an engine I couldn't start. I use to haul heavy equipment, I was able to get one of the mechanics I use to run around with on jobs to come over to the house. He plugged his laptop with his cat software in to the port and got nothing. I had already bought new batteries. went over every wire every ground. every fuse, every fusible link, everything I have seen on these boards that might be the problem. With getting no readout from his Cat program meant the ECM was bad.


      The friend went to Cat yesterday morning. When the salesman found out what he was working on, he said with in 99.9% he thinks it's an 8 volt battery inside the ECM that goes bad over years leaks acid on the board and destroys it. My friend came back and found to power readout of 8 volts which Cat recommended. 


      Has anyone heard of any of this? Next where can I get a plug and play ECM? Cat will sell me one for $2800. then I have to take the coach to them have it flashed and calibrated. All this with no upgrades or power increases. Can someone help me with my next step. Thank you everyone.


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 40984 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 3/17/2019
      Subject: Re: fluid for for hydraulic leveling system


      On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 7:04 PM technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      I have no idea where pump is. Where is pump run from. Thanks




      Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
      Craig, 
      My pump unit is located 1 and a half compartments behind the passenger tire, next to my battery compartment.  Dextron grade ATF is the recommended fluid. I can attempt to scan and email you my RVA Jacks JII owner’s manual if you are missing yours. 

      v/r,


      W Taylor Hudson, Jr.

      Black Creek, Florida (Jacksonville)

      1998 Safari Serengeti (40’ DP)

      (1997) Caterpillar 3126, 7.2L, 300 HP, 860 ftlbs@1440RPM,

       first generation HEUI direct injection

      Allison 3060 six speed “World” transmission

      Magnum chassis (Goodrich Velvet Ride rubber block torsion suspension)



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      From: "TD sdjhtm@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: 3/17/19 2:52 PM (GMT-06:00)
      Subject: Re: [Safarifriends] fluid for for hydraulic leveling system

       

      Craig,

      The reservoir is at the pump. There should be a vent cap at the top
      that you remove. Fellow the instruction on your RVA manual on how to
      check and fill it correctly. If I recall correctly, I think you lower
      the front jack half way down and fill the reservoir till the chime
      stops dinging.

      John
      95 Safari Serengeti 38'
      300 Cummins 8.3CTA
      6Spd Allison

      On 3/17/19, technolog1 technolog1@... [Safarifriends]
      <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
      > I have a 93 cont. And i am low also but i do know where the filler is or how
      > to ck it. any help?
      8.3 6sp
      Craig burrellSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
      > smartphone
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      > Does anyone know what type of fluid to use in the hydraulic leveling
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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41004 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 3/18/2019
      Subject: Re: just bought a 1998 safari sarengeti and have some questions
      Welcome to the “club”.   I purchased the same model last August from a very nice person, but was not exceeding mechanically adept. 

      1.a) you have the optional Oasis hydronic heating system consisting of a 50KBTU diesel fuel fired hot water boiler and an interface unit which distributes ~160 degree hot heating medium to two heating loops with fan coil units for space heating (each with their own circulating pumps controlled off the heat function of the thermostates). There are multi speed blower switches for each of the fan coil units in your coach. 

      b) there is usually a bi-directional heat exchanger to both take heat off a running engine to heat the coach or domestic water, and to in reverse fashion to pre-heat the engine off the oil fired heater.  A switch inside labeled “Engine Preheat” activates that respective circulating pump. 

      c) thirdly there is a dedicated heat exchanger and circulator pump that operates in an “on demand” fashion to heat you warm water side domestic water in a claimed “endless fashion”,

      d) there are two thermostatically controlled 120 volt, 1,500 watt immersion elements in the boiler identical to electric water heater elements.  These are controlled by a rocker switch near the main control panel labeled AC1 -off-AC2.  These are intended to be used when wet camping with a 50 amp site hookup. 

      e) my unit and it’s main control panel is located in a passenger side basement compartment in front of the rear tire.  It is in a stainless steel enclosure labeled Oasis or Hurricane. 

      f) the main control label has a master switch which enables the oil burner and/or electric elements to heat the transfer medium fluid, a non poisoned anti-freeze solution. This switch must be on to have any hot water in the coach. When the burner fires it makes a low rumbling sound audible in the coach.  An intense cloud of stinky diesel fuel smoke is emitted on the first cold light off, smoke stops as the “boiler” reaches operating temperature. Note “boiler” is not a technically correct term as the heating medium never flashes to steam. 

      g) on my unit, this option completely replaced the normally provided propane furnace and tank type propane/120 VAC water heater. 

      h) you need to download the operating instructions off one of these sites, it is a fairly complex system.  Get the unit operating before you take your first trip, otherwise your DW will be in for a cold shower, and we all know how well sets the mood for the day. 

      2. My awning is controlled by the white switch inside the entrance. I think it is RF based and requires a battery. 

      3. The base solar option has two small panels on the roof that terminate in a solar controller/battery charger module fastened to the left side compartment wall in the 12VDC electrical bay under the drivers seat.  It has a red LED.  Mine ties directly to the coach batteries with approximately #14 awg wire from the controller, or the Echo charger controller located in the engine compartment.  I do not think this system is sized to operate appliances, is more so a trickle charger to maintain batteries while in storage. It is not tied to your Heart Inverter/Battery Charger. Mine is not functional, it is fairly low on my list of needed repairs or maintenance presently.  I use and recommend battery maintainers, such as a Deltran Battery Tender, to maintain both sets of your batteries continuously. Flooded cell batteries do not tolerate deep discharges.  There are always unswitched sacrificial drains on your coach batteries (propane detector, CO detector, and refrigerator controller).

      Enjoy your new toy. I have been impressed with the quality of construction in mine.  Your engine is most likely a 1997 model as stated on the ID tag on your valve cover.  Record the engine model and serial numbers off this tag, they are often needed when purchasing OEM parts.  You will find these forums a gold mine of nearly otherwise unavailable but critical technical data. 

      v/r,


      W Taylor Hudson, Jr.

      Black Creek, Florida (Jacksonville)

      1998 Safari Serengeti (40’ DP)

      (1997) Caterpillar 3126, 7.2L, 300 HP, 860 ftlbs@1440RPM,

       first generation HEUI direct injection

      Allison 3060 six speed “World” transmission

      Magnum chassis (Goodrich Velvet Ride rubber block torsion suspension)



      On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 2:47 PM akelphman@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      hello all.


      I just bought a 1998 safari sarengeti and I have a few questions.  unfortunately the previous owner know absolutely nothing...   he owned the coach for almost 10 years and cant answer basic technical questions.  he is a nice guy but extremely clueless...   I ran accoss this group and hoping I can find some info.


      1. this coach has 2 hot water heaters.   a hurricane hot water heater (desiel ?) and a seeward exchanger / electric heater.  is this normal?  neither heater seems to turn on when I turn on the switch in the coach.  do they have master switches of some sort on the unit itself?  (previous owner thinks the only way to get hot water is running the motor)


      2. I have the electric awning.  there is a white 3 way switch above the entry door just a little toward the back, that seems to do nothing.  I am assuming this would be the awning switch?  previous owner says "cant tell you about the awning...   I never used it".  is there some master control that I don't know about?   is there a common thing that causes these to fail?


      3. there appears to be a solar panel.  but I can't seem to find any sort of solar panel controller.   I don't think its controlled by the "heart interface" for the inverter but I suppose maybe it could be...   where do they normally put the solar controller on these units?


      thanks in advance for any help you can provide.


      Dalton Clark

      anchorage ak

      1998 safari sarengeti 37'


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41013 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 3/18/2019
      Subject: Re: just bought a 1998 safari sarengeti and have some questions
      I have been having challenges with this forum posting, and my response to you was terminated during copy/paste. To continue:

      I recommended you get the heating system working before you travel in it.  No hot water makes an unhappy DW.  There are copies of the Oasis system manuals on these sites.  Get you one if you don’t have it.  That manufacturer  is still around and offers decent technical assistance over the phone. 

      2. The white switch by the entrance door is your awning controller.  I thinks it works by RF, so if it is unresponsive, check for a dead battery in it.

      3. Our solar panel is a small one intended to trickle charge the coach batteries.  Our solar controller is located in the left front basement under the drivers seat.  It has white leads that terminate on the coach battery terminals.  I have not gotten to repairing mine yet (if repairable). If you leave the coach plugged into shore power, the Heart unit will properly float charge your coach batteries (presuming it is fully functional). If you don’t have a Heart Interface manual,  download one of those.  Except for being a square wave inverter, it is a pretty good, fully automatic device. We need and should privude a good grade five step battery maintainer on our chassis batteries (like a Deltran Battery Tender).  We never want to deeply discharge any of our wet cell batteries. They do not recover well from that. Any battery whose cell caps are not sealed should be checked and topped off with distilled water monthly. Regarding our coach batteries, even with the master switch in the stair well turned off, those batteries still experience parasitic drains from our CO and propane gas detectors (whose lifespan is only 5-7 years) and the the refrigerator control circuits (even though it does not “operate” on 12 volts).

      When you check the data tag on the valve cover of your engine, you will likely find it is 1997 model. Record the engine model and serial numbers, they are often needed when purchasing OEM parts.  I believe the CAT OEM fuel and oil filters are the best we can get and are well worth their cost. Always carry a spare set of fuel filters and the tools necessary to change them on the road. 

      You will find the people on these forum sites have a wealth of knowledge and experience with all the systems on these coaches.  You will find manuals and diagrams posted on these sites available hardly anywhere else.  If you can’t find it, ask.  There are no dumb questions.  I have also found the Monaco section of the the class A motorhomes on iRV2, the FMCA site, and the Safari International.org are excellent resources.  

      v/r,


      W Taylor Hudson, Jr.

      Black Creek, Florida (Jacksonville)

      1998 Safari Serengeti (40’ DP)

      (1997) Caterpillar 3126, 7.2L, 300 HP, 860 ftlbs@1440RPM,

       first generation HEUI direct injection

      Allison 3060 six speed “World” transmission

      Magnum chassis (Goodrich Velvet Ride rubber block torsion suspension)


      On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 7:55 PM akelphman@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      thanks very much for the replies so far.   when I get home today I will be looking at everything you have suggested.....


      THANKS FOR HAVING THIS GROUP AND GIVING YOUR TIME!


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41247 From: slumbermachine Date: 4/5/2019
      Subject: Inverter, isolator, house bus upgrade diagram

      I've been researching upgrading the inverter/converter in my 96 Serengeti.  I drew up plans on the wiring. This may be helpful to others looking at drawing out their plans, long link to follow, hopefully it doesn't get converted:


      https://www.draw.io/?lightbox=1&highlight=0000ff&edit=_blank&layers=1&nav=1&title=96-safari-inverter-upgrade.drawio#R7H3XlqNKtu3X9OPtgRXwiDdCgEASiJcz8N4IL339jVCZXZWZu3f2OeW6d9UoZSYIE7HMXHOtCIJ%2F4HyzyUPQ54cuTup%2FYEi8%2FQMX%2FoFhKIkj4Bfcc%2F%2BwhyE%2F7siGIv540B87nOKRfNz56bC5iJPxqwOnrqunov96Z9S1bRJNX%2B0LhqFbvz4s7eqv79oHWfJqhxMF9eu9bhFP%2Bce9KIL88YWSFFn%2B8db0p%2F6FQVRlQze3H%2B%2F3DwxPn%2F8%2BfN0En6718fgxD%2BJu%2FWIXLv4D54eumz781Wx8UkPZfhLbh%2FOkP%2Fn2c7uHpJ3ec8L%2BMDeTmrmheik3F%2BMfVJj9P3T34TJLUM%2FJp348WzvdP0kINLyHfyYbuA8Xd3P4%2FAYFG8%2FuJ%2FHHrTUvpsTpgwh%2BvQJzAfvyqak%2FHzwFU9G1YJNBwPbHOyfDlGx%2F2if0s6SABSZdk0zDHRzy6QTio3A%2FGh9Jf9xev1DlJwXkX2rx477go%2FVkny%2F9hwTBHx%2BF%2BO8IlPqvEiiF%2FXSB0v%2FRAv315Mn8N8nz5zv8p5v9K3mCy4Bwlvy1wIKx%2FxDj0mKDQv4mLo2%2BMEH0tcjekhj2vSSGE%2B%2BQWAyC9MfNbpjyLuvaoBb%2F2PuFIULL%2BuMYvev6j9Isk2m6f2QcwTx1X8saiG%2B4e%2FD8f5KfNq9ffidsHy%2F%2BYev%2BcSuah%2BWzA3xoOGztv9YO6Fw3D1HyrwzpE%2FsJhiyZ%2FtWB2Nv6HpIaeNvydUu%2Bvb2j%2F2n2zvxke%2F8koF9WYtgvhxDvYKU%2Fzf%2F%2FGpq%2BG0Lg70UI5G19vxshnqeywxDcvzig74p2Gr%2B4sgV3fOF4%2BNdmRCMvEpK%2FOJ7CkReW86EFf9jR5678H0zrHfz8RwYf9EvT%2B8ISf3TwebdpUT%2FFtMh%2F07ReHL%2Fb%2FQDT%2BiTD74PzcTGAHR%2FINFAnxOXvgv0%2FO1ri5C8eLX85foH%2FRyHYOA1dlfBd3Q3PtuLI89%2F3xDbivdj2J4r%2FMcQaf0di%2FndMi96tvd3P1B72nqT2VyL5O%2FInw9buFykDbMXkfbJo8PcXKAa2%2FjB2uPE5BfjDR3Zfo99fJg9tzMJBC7AZ1cE4FtGHnVJRf%2BWAVjIUQMzJ8BVqfhqgwL%2Bti%2B2wd7oYQ38L8veKreF%2FVtT7dIkPPfh41h9m9%2B%2ByyFf3QZh%2FySJfHY%2F%2BBev8ZMFvH%2F99WCf1b4aNtmu%2Fid%2F8eRyPgzH%2FHAk%2Bu9dnl4KO8v%2BAp%2Byof%2B1jYOOlF3zhPR%2B78YfrIN%2FWJ76TqaOf4sQnE6HeZ%2BpvXOhr2ySoF2354Mz%2FZ5%2F5s%2Ft830zqV88BXgbTz2r8WcEURd5TZPwOMPCVs%2F85JnwZMbGvQuZfBsw3ouEPxAGKfmdspL9Jze2V%2F1Ev3O9laPxGbk58DUvEj6iXUO8Y2f0%2F1Eu%2BNMxv4PIv036CxH6uy2PvKJL%2FUoWSnw6S%2BHsM7kdm2L9I7Zd6J8R9CMs%2FLcN%2BT%2BX%2BV7L3n55hE%2B%2FgBO%2Ba6oH8tUC%2FBalCvpYf9qmw%2BVdzO%2FDvJsB3VPS%2F1VyZbyFAgvxagCjzT%2FKVCPE3JEiS30uCv3xZjHlpdNRPdtr%2FtNzn50vsW81h%2FTEwh9Mv5Ie9lt%2BbMEd8t%2BSRfo%2FN%2FVXyWM5N%2F%2BmAYIg%2B7fnAglD6f8uV%2FrJe%2BirplKRXSefXRAv7K6b1j29Hroj3kiuU%2BiYj668yO%2Fpl3vKdEsgXVv2x3981gSR%2BdUZIUL8aVH7XlPtbSAz%2FxSSGIv%2FmhKH%2FcGx83%2FD9dxqIIph3giWJfxesJF5kIPgn6%2FvWYIm8xOQfgZbvGSj6mb6P%2F2pUnPw1ZmT8uRN%2FV2f8Tj62w9%2B2%2Fb%2FysW%2FlBuS3yul%2FTLbwkkLg1OuiCP2GU7wcV%2Fx2TvGrZ%2FQERf6lxKgfKrF3ZFefLG4s2qxOPob1r%2BZ8thA5fozJMS9N7jUOE28IcPe9BEi9g4J9x%2FkM3xJTv9OsAuTFTBUCY34sqH6rhzR%2FDKi%2BjEH4J9P9sgTDvGHi6KeK8LefDfee0bwfMTb11%2FPT3pwwR%2F3rGXPfl6m8d4x%2B933G6Ind1xHnvfPXvpX3fbLe%2FxDvezmtjmCIV95HvuF8322YZ%2FerP9KIvzAwgmFeSezHzt3FfnWJEb%2BYxOh3%2BCjscREBtA7CpLa6sfhI%2FcJumroGouinJUS%2BmmYJN4K6yOChEZAPnCbFpQCwvyAzH1cm%2BUrun27Hfjx3gjHiBVKjH%2B76hI5my%2BASMP9MaqCuAZ75z6YYI9D5oE26efxnlMOIMX6jYSb8ny9V%2BJqG4vgbMIF9LxW%2BZfS7%2BomnxQL%2BzOCf0gxs%2FuNucJsvvnml7%2BkDGP8pCf1YSvxSlR93vVL3S102RRzXf%2BZ7XwP%2Bt54o9XKJBpR5nX%2B9lT58P9d7K%2BN%2FpTeleyoO4eYR%2FgyGv7USX9XikNdK%2FLxE0o%2FR4uu6g9mCK5mfFlz6r9fJq7yceF9e%2Fv1U8rqwobbPLg5%2FE5VQLwv52Ov5Nm9R2e%2BnkrfSyFdYxwUTECXsx6FriwlIGy5PNsPs5O%2BMeRj1knK8MWP1U3Xxx6jzHSMQ%2F3mscQRnBvX%2FfMiKx38G0f98SvG%2FiU%2FuXvgkir%2FLJ8nvpUTmv5L6v1Bi%2FEmJ%2F%2FOtanQvqwTI6yrB7g01frcqNPOOKsEbIv5Tjb7SWw2P5D6vKvmWCt%2BjN%2BztYjaNSMi%2FMI4%2Ft6%2BXNlB0I%2FXPIupa4Lnxt5o6jbyEXop%2BHUmxt6D3e81cZd4xTvg3U3cM3H%2F6Rij9y607wrxjlO5vpu9v5t7Ya%2Ff%2BY89Pc%2FB3jLj8zRT%2BLR38l1t2knnHKPJvff%2F3rC%2FCvGNM%2Bre%2B%2F3ue7kSRb%2FEUw8%2Bbh%2FvvLbf01zOKv%2BuQ%2B6fhtL8ccif%2Br8%2BMvj3k%2FtmMPg8Ove%2Bxhm815M68ozDzNwOX78gW38SWH8kVPw91%2FNb3j0j%2Bd8RPzw4%2Bre7w95z7%2FeGx3W%2BO2vinosqnUUXix879RpG3OOGr4RFgUxJ8McrfeCwEw%2F8agX%2FoWCOKvBVxf6vuDTjF%2F5qY%2F1jVoW8Fz1eqA9Ag0X9rzREvhjzwT6O5P09zb415%2FNbca7h8%2BUw%2F%2Bpq%2B%2FGDNvcVffmvurxedQX%2FypBoUfdd0td%2BaI1%2Bh5esB4h%2BsubcejfutudcTbV4ui4D8dJ97a2zgN7l8Y1bGqyfXfzpF%2BZ3S%2FS9Vt%2FvZePnmq%2FN%2B4%2BXrjO5lsfvT4zc%2FT3Ov8wIVym2cgglOonfsw%2Bf1Gv%2Fr1fNy2b0d%2FVb18gcr6DX9PwRZOzdg38FRcORTfvBfrx0KeVHJemM66A%2FWzetxSgJBWLCHAzucJHDu45Q08DEUHo4ngt%2Bnv4my0JePndCvkQ79oRPq0TeWWQZxU0KgdgL4EC2GgD7tbnP3ISIhOWgV%2BAU02INfddc1fxPlvRyTfWvdiM%2BD9D9Iee%2Fi9b8ZxquMbPezMzLsHbN3fvSD6%2BQLdPo8Kvylgb%2B1vO7LyQnfUEz%2FlQ%2BITEPQjk0xjqCh%2FyT%2Bpy7a5H%2FC%2BRs9WEwyL4eb39Qj%2BhZQfa%2FVP7A3h0he6PE%2FcJXB11r%2F3647%2BEEa7xncfsfbcb%2FPKjw78oVZvXwU5b3v9qFfvL30Fcx%2Bo2UIXzYY%2B4u3qtKv6nb%2F3vHoj3iryGcA%2Fg2J%2FxdIfGtFpB8KiSj%2Bq6%2FK8rKghuJvzFn6oaSJ%2Fu9cq%2FYbYj%2F6YXWQb479zIuHTl%2BtJviNXmG4I6k37%2FOdIfV1NekXc0Vi9xLAfroz4t%2F1deDfQmgvZuP9AiJ7V7qujh3wVbhowd84Y9%2B9mKBHv47XPzZhf8%2Frq7%2FVu3KGbgo%2BMjYG%2BTbyRF%2FAxxuLxr75Uo6XS%2F19O4ES7%2BCx%2FzkCfe%2B7nL6jPH91Pkm%2FpOCvRfZj4fg97w%2F7lSSGET9dYr96zP%2F1JParLyf%2BUmI%2FXWC%2F%2BvvBXsLYGyvH%2FViJvWfF%2F3%2F3UZ5fJkn%2BvEr593o7KPrp9Wp%2FnVt%2FeMPIN8%2BtUfpldQoj0X%2B%2BePDrm

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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41248 From: Gary Smith Date: 4/5/2019
      Subject: Re: Inverter, isolator, house bus upgrade diagram
      Just one heck of a mess for a link.  How about a short version.  What you posted looks like spam.

      On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:42 PM sosteen@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      I've been researching upgrading the inverter/converter in my 96 Serengeti.  I drew up plans on the wiring. This may be helpful to others looking at drawing out their plans, long link to follow, hopefully it doesn't get converted:


      https://www.draw.io/?lightbox=1&highlight=0000ff&edit=_blank&layers=1&nav=1&title=96-safari-inverter-upgrade.drawio#R7H3XlqNKtu3X9OPtgRXwiDdCgEASiJcz8N4IL339jVCZXZWZu3f2OeW6d9UoZSYIE7HMXHOtCIJ%2F4HyzyUPQ54cuTup%2FYEi8%2FQMX%2FoFhKIkj4Bfcc%2F%2BwhyE%2F7siGIv540B87nOKRfNz56bC5iJPxqwOnrqunov96Z9S1bRJNX%2B0LhqFbvz4s7eqv79oHWfJqhxMF9eu9bhFP%2Bce9KIL88YWSFFn%2B8db0p%2F6FQVRlQze3H%2B%2F3DwxPn%2F8%2BfN0En6718fgxD%2BJu%2FWIXLv4D54eumz781Wx8UkPZfhLbh%2FOkP%2Fn2c7uHpJ3ec8L%2BMDeTmrmheik3F%2BMfVJj9P3T34TJLUM%2FJp348WzvdP0kINLyHfyYbuA8Xd3P4%2FAYFG8%2FuJ%2FHHrTUvpsTpgwh%2BvQJzAfvyqak%2FHzwFU9G1YJNBwPbHOyfDlGx%2F2if0s6SABSZdk0zDHRzy6QTio3A%2FGh9Jf9xev1DlJwXkX2rx477go%2FVkny%2F9hwTBHx%2BF%2BO8IlPqvEiiF%2FXSB0v%2FRAv315Mn8N8nz5zv8p5v9K3mCy4Bwlvy1wIKx%2FxDj0mKDQv4mLo2%2BMEH0tcjekhj2vSSGE%2B%2BQWAyC9MfNbpjyLuvaoBb%2F2PuFIULL%2BuMYvev6j9Isk2m6f2QcwTx1X8saiG%2B4e%2FD8f5KfNq9ffidsHy%2F%2BYev%2BcSuah%2BWzA3xoOGztv9YO6Fw3D1HyrwzpE%2FsJhiyZ%2FtWB2Nv6HpIaeNvydUu%2Bvb2j%2F2n2zvxke%2F8koF9WYtgvhxDvYKU%2Fzf%2F%2FGpq%2BG0Lg70UI5G19vxshnqeywxDcvzig74p2Gr%2B4sgV3fOF4%2BNdmRCMvEpK%2FOJ7CkReW86EFf9jR5678H0zrHfz8RwYf9EvT%2B8ISf3TwebdpUT%2FFtMh%2F07ReHL%2Fb%2FQDT%2BiTD74PzcTGAHR%2FINFAnxOXvgv0%2FO1ri5C8eLX85foH%2FRyHYOA1dlfBd3Q3PtuLI89%2F3xDbivdj2J4r%2FMcQaf0di%2FndMi96tvd3P1B72nqT2VyL5O%2FInw9buFykDbMXkfbJo8PcXKAa2%2FjB2uPE5BfjDR3Zfo99fJg9tzMJBC7AZ1cE4FtGHnVJRf%2BWAVjIUQMzJ8BVqfhqgwL%2Bti%2B2wd7oYQ38L8veKreF%2FVtT7dIkPPfh41h9m9%2B%2ByyFf3QZh%2FySJfHY%2F%2BBev8ZMFvH%2F99WCf1b4aNtmu%2Fid%2F8eRyPgzH%2FHAk%2Bu9dnl4KO8v%2BAp%2Byof%2B1jYOOlF3zhPR%2B78YfrIN%2FWJ76TqaOf4sQnE6HeZ%2BpvXOhr2ySoF2354Mz%2FZ5%2F5s%2Ft830zqV88BXgbTz2r8WcEURd5TZPwOMPCVs%2F85JnwZMbGvQuZfBsw3ouEPxAGKfmdspL9Jze2V%2F1Ev3O9laPxGbk58DUvEj6iXUO8Y2f0%2F1Eu%2BNMxv4PIv036CxH6uy2PvKJL%2FUoWSnw6S%2BHsM7kdm2L9I7Zd6J8R9CMs%2FLcN%2BT%2BX%2BV7L3n55hE%2B%2FgBO%2Ba6oH8tUC%2FBalCvpYf9qmw%2BVdzO%2FDvJsB3VPS%2F1VyZbyFAgvxagCjzT%2FKVCPE3JEiS30uCv3xZjHlpdNRPdtr%2FtNzn50vsW81h%2FTEwh9Mv5Ie9lt%2BbMEd8t%2BSRfo%2FN%2FVXyWM5N%2F%2BmAYIg%2B7fnAglD6f8uV%2FrJe%2BirplKRXSefXRAv7K6b1j29Hroj3kiuU%2BiYj668yO%2Fpl3vKdEsgXVv2x3981gSR%2BdUZIUL8aVH7XlPtbSAz%2FxSSGIv%2FmhKH%2FcGx83%2FD9dxqIIph3giWJfxesJF5kIPgn6%2FvWYIm8xOQfgZbvGSj6mb6P%2F2pUnPw1ZmT8uRN%2FV2f8Tj62w9%2B2%2Fb%2FysW%2FlBuS3yul%2FTLbwkkLg1OuiCP2GU7wcV%2Fx2TvGrZ%2FQERf6lxKgfKrF3ZFefLG4s2qxOPob1r%2BZ8thA5fozJMS9N7jUOE28IcPe9BEi9g4J9x%2FkM3xJTv9OsAuTFTBUCY34sqH6rhzR%2FDKi%2BjEH4J9P9sgTDvGHi6KeK8LefDfee0bwfMTb11%2FPT3pwwR%2F3rGXPfl6m8d4x%2B933G6Ind1xHnvfPXvpX3fbLe%2FxDvezmtjmCIV95HvuF8322YZ%2FerP9KIvzAwgmFeSezHzt3FfnWJEb%2BYxOh3%2BCjscREBtA7CpLa6sfhI%2FcJumroGouinJUS%2BmmYJN4K6yOChEZAPnCbFpQCwvyAzH1cm%2BUrun27Hfjx3gjHiBVKjH%2B76hI5my%2BASMP9MaqCuAZ75z6YYI9D5oE26efxnlMOIMX6jYSb8ny9V%2BJqG4vgbMIF9LxW%2BZfS7%2BomnxQL%2BzOCf0gxs%2FuNucJsvvnml7%2BkDGP8pCf1YSvxSlR93vVL3S102RRzXf%2BZ7XwP%2Bt54o9XKJBpR5nX%2B9lT58P9d7K%2BN%2FpTeleyoO4eYR%2FgyGv7USX9XikNdK%2FLxE0o%2FR4uu6g9mCK5mfFlz6r9fJq7yceF9e%2Fv1U8rqwobbPLg5%2FE5VQLwv52Ov5Nm9R2e%2BnkrfSyFdYxwUTECXsx6FriwlIGy5PNsPs5O%2BMeRj1knK8MWP1U3Xxx6jzHSMQ%2F3mscQRnBvX%2FfMiKx38G0f98SvG%2FiU%2FuXvgkir%2FLJ8nvpUTmv5L6v1Bi%2FEmJ%2F%2FOtanQvqwTI6yrB7g01frcqNPOOKsEbIv5Tjb7SWw2P5D6vKvmWCt%2BjN%2BztYjaNSMi%2FMI4%2Ft6%2BXNlB0I%2FXPIupa4Lnxt5o6jbyEXop%2BHUmxt6D3e81cZd4xTvg3U3cM3H%2F6Rij9y607wrxjlO5vpu9v5t7Ya%2Ff%2BY89Pc%2FB3jLj8zRT%2BLR38l1t2knnHKPJvff%2F3rC%2FCvGNM%2Bre%2B%2F3ue7kSRb%2FEUw8%2Bbh%2FvvLbf01zOKv%2BuQ%2B6fhtL8ccif%2Br8%2BMvj3k%2FtmMPg8Ove%2Bxhm815M68ozDzNwOX78gW38SWH8kVPw91%2FNb3j0j%2Bd8RPzw4%2Bre7w95z7%2FeGx3W%2BO2vinosqnUUXix879RpG3OOGr4RFgUxJ8McrfeCwEw%2F8agX%2FoWCOKvBVxf6vuDTjF%2F5qY%2F1jVoW8Fz1eqA9Ag0X9rzREvhjzwT6O5P09zb415%2FNbca7h8%2BUw%2F%2Bpq%2B%2FGDNvcVffmvurxedQX%2FypBoUfdd0td%2BaI1%2Bh5esB4h%2BsubcejfutudcTbV4ui4D8dJ97a2zgN7l8Y1bGqyfXfzpF%2BZ3S%2FS9Vt%2FvZePnmq%2FN%2B4%2BXrjO5lsfvT4zc%2FT3Ov8wIVym2cgglOonfsw%2Bf1Gv%2Fr1fNy2b0d%2FVb18gcr6DX9PwRZOzdg38FRcORTfvBfrx0KeVHJemM66

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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 41866 From: James Exler Date: 6/13/2019
      Subject: Re: Specs for oil change etc

      Taylor,

      Great write up. One item of interest many don't realize.

      The HEUI (high pressure oil) pump has to reach 800 psi on the injector galley before the ECU will try to fire the injectors. It is a good bet that most of the engine bearings are receiving oil by this time so a "dry" start is almost impossible. It is still important to stay off the throttle until you see oil pressure on the gauge.

      Keep up the good work helping everyone enjoy their motorhomes.

      Jim Exler, Nampa, ID

      On 6/13/2019 2:18 PM, W Taylor Hudson fpengr@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
       
      I am a fairly new owner (8 months) and have not down that yet. I presume you are an experienced tinker if not mechanic, or would not be considering this. 

      From my viewpoint the biggest difference I expect to find, as compared to working on a light duty diesel as found in passengers cars, will be the size of your oil drain catch bucket. I have “heard” oil capacities for this engine ranging from 22 to 32 quarts depending on whether you have a shallow or deep pan. Prepare to catch 32 plus quarts. That is a challenge there. 

      Obviously you do not have your chassis manual which states filters and capacities.  I expect that information has been posted on this forum.  Capacity wise, if nothing else, determine where are fill wise by dipstick before you drop, measure all your drainage including the filter, and start there as a refill point. 

      Filter wise, from potential susceptibility of our High pressure unitary injection pump to fail from dirty oil ingestion, I am looking for the best oil filter I can, I presently “presume” that should be the Caterpillar “ high efficiency” series filters. A dealer or reputable reseller should tell you what that is with the model number and serial number off your engines ID plate (located on the valve cover). 

      I hear Caterpillar does not recommend priming oil or fuel filters for fear of contaminants being introduced?  If you do.not prime your oil filter, certainly do not touch your throttle on the first start after a servicing till you register normal oil pressure. There is An Adept Ape series on Youtube regarding Caterpillar engines I follow. 

      You can grab filter numbers off the presently installed filters for starting pints. This presumes the last person installed the correct filters, verses a convenient filter the shop had on hand. 

      From the prices I have heard people pay for replacement radiators, I would stay on top coolant maintenance.  Large diesels take a slightly different product from automotive products. I would use the OEM product here too as CAT’s coolant is an extended life product with less work/worry down the road. 

      Engine oil: not even going to start a debate on that.  CAT requires oil change intervals based on sulfur content of our fuels.  Now that this country is on extra low sulfur fuels, we take the longest change interval which is something beyond 5,000 miles.  Oil should at least be the latest API standard for Diesel engines, usually 10-40 weight unless you are in very cold climates or like synthetics.  I do not see where CAT has required synthetics for our engines, or even gives you credit for such in the service intervals. If you want to drill down on this, their are CAT specific forums on other RV forums sites.  Once a year is the maximum time intervals for all filters.  Once you know what the correct fuel filters are, keep a spare of both on board with tools to change them.  

      Regarding you chassis grease fittings, my Magnum owner’s manual outlines their locations, as well as filter numbers.  I would inspect every moving suspension linkage including the king pins for a grease fitting.  Note there is one non-chassis fitting we do not want to overlook.   It is reportedly on an idler bearing on one of our two drive belts. 

      Our Allison 3060M transmissions are well built reliable units.  They spec using their proprietary full synthetic fluid trademarked Transend.  The service interval is something like 100K or better. I would certainly have mine serviced regardless of mileage if it has not been done in the past twenty years. It has two large cartridge filters and possibly a pan filter.  These parts will not be priced like your father’s Oldsmobile parts. 

      Another service item I feel is important on a bi-annual basis (my schedule) is replacement and flushing of brake fluid on our hydraulic brake system.  

      I have not seen an interval on the ATF based hydraulic fluid which drives our power steering and brake booster.  I would at least change it if it ever darkens in color (is normally red), the reservoir is in our “service compartment area”. Keep a good eye on all hoses with them hitting the twenty year mark.  

       I expect others with real experience and knowledge of where the FAQ type subjects will respond. 
      v/r,

      Taylor Hudson
      ‘98 Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126 of ‘97 vintage

      On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 3:14 PM agin.patrick@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
       

      Hi again,

      I want to do the oil change myself for the first time and I was wondering the usual questions: how much, what type, other things to change (filters, etc). My question is so basic I am surprised to not find anything on safarifriends, someone for sure has asked the question in the past but I cannot find it.


      So, to begin, in order to determine the oil capacity, I suppose I have to know what kind of engine model I have, I know it's a CAT 3126 but how to know if it's a B or an E? 


      What type of oil should I use? Something designed specifically for the CAT? 


      How to know if the different filters have also to be changed or not? 


      For the zerks greasing, I found a Magnum manual with the lubrication diagrams but I don't know what kind of chassis I have, is it a Blue-Streak, a Blue-Max, etc?


      Something else important that I should include in my maintenance routine? 


      If someone could point me towards something like a 1-pager that adresses these questions, I would be very glad!


      Thanks again,

      Patrick

      Sahara 96, CAT 3126, Magnum chassis



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      Group: Safarifriends Message: 42266 From: wolfe102001 Date: 7/23/2019
      Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
      OK, most important:  Do NOT try to start it until you have verified that chassis battery is fully charged.  An Allison shift pad that does not show N  could very likely have inadequate voltage for the computer (that, at least is what you hope is going on, as the cost is just charging the battery).

      The other thing to do is use the manual fuel primer pump until it is hard.

      So, fully charged battery and good fuel to the HEUI pump.
      Group: Safarifriends Message: 42272 From: Gregory Self Date: 7/23/2019
      Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
      Hello,

      Is the manual fuel primer located in the battery compartment? I’ve never used a manual fuel pump…..

      I’ve enclosed a picture of what I believe might be the manual fuel pump?

      Thanks,
      Greg






      On Jul 23, 2019, at 1:36 PM, bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


      OK, most important:  Do NOT try to start it until you have verified that chassis battery is fully charged.  An Allison shift pad that does not show N  could very likely have inadequate voltage for the computer (that, at least is what you hope is going on, as the cost is just charging the battery).

      The other thing to do is use the manual fuel primer pump until it is hard.

      So, fully charged battery and good fuel to the HEUI pump.


      Group: Safarifriends Message: 42273 From: Bill Edwards Date: 7/23/2019
      Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
      Attachments :
        NO that is a looks like dip stick!  Manual primer if you have one is in the compartment to the left, the engine monitor bay. It is above the primary fuel filter, part of the mounting assembly y for the filter, a button looking affair. By the way what year is this coach what is it

        Bill Ed wards
         1999 Panther


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        On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 5:53 PM, Gregory Self gregorydself30@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

        Hello,


        Is the manual fuel primer located in the battery compartment? I’ve never used a manual fuel pump…..

        I’ve enclosed a picture of what I believe might be the manual fuel pump?

        Thanks,
        Greg






        On Jul 23, 2019, at 1:36 PM, bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

        OK, most important:  Do NOT try to start it until you have verified that chassis battery is fully charged.  An Allison shift pad that does not show N  could very likely have inadequate voltage for the computer (that, at least is what you hope is going on, as the cost is just charging the battery).

        The other thing to do is use the manual fuel primer pump until it is hard.

        So, fully charged battery and good fuel to the HEUI pump.


        Group: Safarifriends Message: 42274 From: Gregory Self Date: 7/23/2019
        Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
        1999 Safari Zanzibar - CAT 3126, Allison 6 speed.

        Thanks,
        Greg


        On Jul 23, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

        NO that is a looks like dip stick!  Manual primer if you have one is in the compartment to the left, the engine monitor bay. It is above the primary fuel filter, part of the mounting assembly y for the filter, a button looking affair. By the way what year is this coach what is it


        Bill Ed wards
         1999 Panther


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        On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 5:53 PM, Gregory Self gregorydself30@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

        Hello,


        Is the manual fuel primer located in the battery compartment? I’ve never used a manual fuel pump…..

        I’ve enclosed a picture of what I believe might be the manual fuel pump?

        Thanks,
        Greg


        <FuelPrimer.jpeg>




        On Jul 23, 2019, at 1:36 PM, bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

        OK, most important:  Do NOT try to start it until you have verified that chassis battery is fully charged.  An Allison shift pad that does not show N  could very likely have inadequate voltage for the computer (that, at least is what you hope is going on, as the cost is just charging the battery).

        The other thing to do is use the manual fuel primer pump until it is hard.

        So, fully charged battery and good fuel to the HEUI pump.



        <FuelPrimer.jpeg>

        Group: Safarifriends Message: 42277 From: W Taylor Hudson Date: 7/23/2019
        Subject: Re: 1999 Safari Zanzibar - Help starting
        Attachments :
          Greg,
          This is what mine looks like in the engine service compartment just behind my battery compartment. It is the black rubber push plunger atop the mounting base of the primary (shorter) fuel filter. 
          v/r, 

          Taylor Hudson
          98 Serengeti (4060), CAT 3126



          On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 8:32 PM Gregory Self gregorydself30@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
           

          1999 Safari Zanzibar - CAT 3126, Allison 6 speed.


          Thanks,
          Greg


          On Jul 23, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

          NO that is a looks like dip stick!  Manual primer if you have one is in the compartment to the left, the engine monitor bay. It is above the primary fuel filter, part of the mounting assembly y for the filter, a button looking affair. By the way what year is this coach what is it


          Bill Ed wards
           1999 Panther


          Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

          On Tuesday, July 23, 2019, 5:53 PM, Gregory Self gregorydself30@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          Hello,


          Is the manual fuel primer located in the battery compartment? I’ve never used a manual fuel pump…..

          I’ve enclosed a picture of what I believe might be the manual fuel pump?

          Thanks,
          Greg


          <FuelPrimer.jpeg>




          On Jul 23, 2019, at 1:36 PM, bawolfe10@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          OK, most important:  Do NOT try to start it until you have verified that chassis battery is fully charged.  An Allison shift pad that does not show N  could very likely have inadequate voltage for the computer (that, at least is what you hope is going on, as the cost is just charging the battery).

          The other thing to do is use the manual fuel primer pump until it is hard.

          So, fully charged battery and good fuel to the HEUI pump.



          <FuelPrimer.jpeg>

          Group: Safarifriends Message: 42507 From: James Exler Date: 8/2/2019
          Subject: Re: engine stumble on startup
          Attachments :

            Joe,

            Attached is a PDF on the HEUI fuel system. This gives a very good explanation of the workings of the components.

            Two check valves combine to maintain a fuel supply in the fuel supply rail drilled in the head.

            One is in the transfer pump and the other is at the rear of the head and maintains a constant pressure on the fuel rail. Each is there to prevent fuel from draining back to the tank.

            This is only a guess but if the rail drains, it could take a few seconds to pressurize it.

            Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


            On 8/2/2019 5:53 AM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
             
            If I do not start my cat engine in 3 or 4 weeks or more, the engine will stumble , run rough, for 3 or 4 seconds upon start up unless I pump the manual fuel pump.  The fuel is clean and the filters are good/clean.   Is there a check valve or seal somewhere that I need to replace??

            regards,
            Joe Burch
            1996 Sahara
            3126 Cat
            St Augustine, Fl

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            Group: Safarifriends Message: 42523 From: Bill Edwards Date: 8/3/2019
            Subject: Re: engine stumble on startup
            Joe,  call Dave Atherton in Arizona. 605 999 0720. Master CAT tech trouble shooter

            Bill Edwards 1999 Panther


            Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

            On Friday, August 2, 2019, 6:11 AM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

             

            Joe,

            Attached is a PDF on the HEUI fuel system. This gives a very good explanation of the workings of the components.

            Two check valves combine to maintain a fuel supply in the fuel supply rail drilled in the head.

            One is in the transfer pump and the other is at the rear of the head and maintains a constant pressure on the fuel rail. Each is there to prevent fuel from draining back to the tank.

            This is only a guess but if the rail drains, it could take a few seconds to pressurize it.

            Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


            On 8/2/2019 5:53 AM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
             
            If I do not start my cat engine in 3 or 4 weeks or more, the engine will stumble , run rough, for 3 or 4 seconds upon start up unless I pump the manual fuel pump.  The fuel is clean and the filters are good/clean.   Is there a check valve or seal somewhere that I need to replace??

            regards,
            Joe Burch
            1996 Sahara
            3126 Cat
            St Augustine, Fl

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            Group: Safarifriends Message: 42525 From: bilmac36 Date: 8/3/2019
            Subject: Re: engine stumble on startup
            Jim, Tom, 
            Jim asked the question I was just mentally scratching my head over. Out of curiosity what are you meaning by a ‘digest reader?’
            Thanks,
            Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd 

            Sent from my iPhone

            On Aug 3, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Bill Edwards billedwardsrs@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

             

            Joe,  call Dave Atherton in Arizona. 605 999 0720. Master CAT tech trouble shooter


            Bill Edwards 1999 Panther


            Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

            On Friday, August 2, 2019, 6:11 AM, James Exler jimxexler@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

             

            Joe,

            Attached is a PDF on the HEUI fuel system. This gives a very good explanation of the workings of the components.

            Two check valves combine to maintain a fuel supply in the fuel supply rail drilled in the head.

            One is in the transfer pump and the other is at the rear of the head and maintains a constant pressure on the fuel rail. Each is there to prevent fuel from draining back to the tank.

            This is only a guess but if the rail drains, it could take a few seconds to pressurize it.

            Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


            On 8/2/2019 5:53 AM, Joe Burch burch1945@... [Safarifriends] wrote:
             
            If I do not start my cat engine in 3 or 4 weeks or more, the engine will stumble , run rough, for 3 or 4 seconds upon start up unless I pump the manual fuel pump.  The fuel is clean and the filters are good/clean.   Is there a check valve or seal somewhere that I need to replace??

            regards,
            Joe Burch
            1996 Sahara
            3126 Cat
            St Augustine, Fl

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            Group: Safarifriends Message: 42558 From: Joe George Date: 8/3/2019
            Subject: Re: Digest Number 5769
            Thanks to all for the troubleshooting suggestions.  I have tried the tapping the gauge to see if the needle was stuck...no luck.   Will try checking the ground next.  Unfortunately the DW and I were heading out for a 3 day trip and I lost turbo.  So now my priorities have changed.  I will be learning how to replace the turbo for now.  Will get back to the fuel gauge issue after the season ends here in Utah (November?)

            On Friday, August 2, 2019, 07:21:18 PM MDT, <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


            12 Messages

            Digest #5769

            Messages

            Fri Aug 2, 2019 4:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:

            "Joe Burch" burch1945

            If I do not start my cat engine in 3 or 4 weeks or more, the engine will stumble , run rough, for 3 or 4 seconds upon start up unless I pump the manual fuel pump.  The fuel is clean and the filters are good/clean.   Is there a check valve or seal somewhere that I need to replace??
            regards,Joe Burch1996 Sahara3126 CatSt Augustine, Fl

            Fri Aug 2, 2019 5:11 am (PDT) . Posted by:

            "James Exler" jimexler

            Joe,

            Attached is a PDF on the HEUI fuel system. This gives a very good explanation of the workings of the components.

            Two check valves combine to maintain a fuel supply in the fuel supply rail drilled in the head.

            One is in the transfer pump and the other is at the rear of the head and maintains a constant pressure on the fuel rail. Each is there to prevent fuel from draining back to the tank.

            This is only a guess but if the rail drains, it could take a few seconds to pressurize it.

            Jim Exler, Nampa, ID


            On 8/2/2019 5:53 AM, Joe Burch burch1945@...<mailto:burch1945@...> [Safarifriends] wrote:

            If I do not start my cat engine in 3 or 4 weeks or more, the engine will stumble , run rough, for 3 or 4 seconds upon start up unless I pump the manual fuel pump. The fuel is clean and the filters are good/clean. Is there a check valve or seal somewhere that I need to replace??

            regards,
            Joe Burch
            1996 Sahara
            3126 Cat
            St Augustine, Fl


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            Fri Aug 2, 2019 7:06 am (PDT) . Posted by:

            jumpnjoe59

            Last week my fuel gauge went from working to now the needle goes hard right (last full). I have searched Google and found what appears to be good direction https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27307244/print/true.cfm . My issue is I can't find the sending unit wire. I follow the diesel supply to a large tank under the front of the RV.. Crawled around underneath and have been unsuccessful in finding any wiring. Believe I should be checking for an open circuit just can't find the wiring to check. If it is the sending unit...does the tank need to be dropped? Does anyone know the part number?

            Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550, 3126b, 6 spd Ally

            Fri Aug 2, 2019 8:29 am (PDT) . Posted by:

            "burch1945" burch1945

            Joe, I have a 1996 Sahara and in order to get to the sending unit it is necessary to drop the tank. At least it was on mine. It's a pain in the butt and you need to get someone to help you. you cannot do it by yourself. It took 2 of us all day long to drain the tank, install a new sending unit, install a new gauge and put about 55 gallons of diesel fuel back into the tank. If you need to call me to discuss it please call (904) 318-7714 and I'll help you if I can. Joe Burch 1996 sahara, 3126 catSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.
            -------- Original message --------From: "jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> Date: 8/2/19 10:01 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Safarifriends] Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
             

            Last week my fuel gauge went from working to now the needle goes hard right (last full). I have searched Google and found what appears to be good direction https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27307244/print/true.cfm . My issue is I can't find the sending unit wire. I follow the diesel supply to a large tank under the front of the RV. Crawled around underneath and have been unsuccessful in finding any wiring. Believe I should be checking for an open circuit just can't find the wiring to check. If it is the sending unit...does the tank need to be dropped? Does anyone know the part number?

            Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550, 3126b, 6 spd Ally

            Fri Aug 2, 2019 9:46 am (PDT) . Posted by:

            "bilmac36" bilmac36

            Joe,
            Due to a gauge issue I had on mine way back when I’m wondering have you been able to test the gauge? I’m assuming it is an analog gauge and not digital. If you have access to the back of the gauge then I would pull the leads (marking where they go) and test it first. Sounds as if it may be the easiest and quickest to ck. On my Continental one merely removes the back cover of the instrument cluster to gain access.

            If you can gain access and once you remove the leads note what the gauge does. If memory serves correct a hard ground will send the analog gauges to far right. Pls double ck the web for testing analog gauges.’ But believe I am correct.

            This should help identify if a faulty gauge.
            R/
            Willie, Connie is ‘95 Continental, 8.3L, Ally 6spd

            Sent from my iPhone

            > On Aug 2, 2019, at 10:29 AM, burch1945 burch1945@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
            >
            > Joe, I have a 1996 Sahara and in order to get to the sending unit it is necessary to drop the tank. At least it was on mine. It's a pain in the butt and you need to get someone to help you. you cannot do it by yourself. It took 2 of us all day long to drain the tank, install a new sending unit, install a new gauge and put about 55 gallons of diesel fuel back into the tank. If you need to call me to discuss it please call (904) 318-7714 and I'll help you if I can.
            >
            > Joe Burch
            > 1996 sahara,
            > 3126 cat
            >
            >
            >
            > Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.
            >
            > -------- Original message --------
            > From: "jumpnjoe59@... [Safarifriends]" <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com>
            > Date: 8/2/19 10:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
            > To: Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: [Safarifriends] Fuel Gauge Reading Incorrectly
            >
            >
            > Last week my fuel gauge went from working to now the needle goes hard right (last full). I have searched Google and found what appears to be good direction https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27307244/print/true.cfm . My issue is I can't find the sending unit wire. I follow the diesel supply to a large tank under the front of the RV. Crawled around underneath and have been unsuccessful in finding any wiring. Believe I should be checking for an open circuit just can't find the wiring to check. If it is the sending unit...does the tank need to be dropped? Does anyone know the part number?
            >
            > Joe, 1997 Sahara 3550, 3126b, 6 spd Ally
            >
            >

            Fri Aug 2, 2019 10:53 am (PDT) . Posted by:

            "Rollin'" ondaflore

            Actually an open circuit will peg the gauge.  Long story short, I traced the line on my gauge when it pegged and showed continuity all the way to the sender.  I began to remove the gauge from the dash for further testing and the needle moved off of full++.  It was literally stuck.  Apparently if the gauge is reading below half a tank and you experience a momentary open circuit, the needle can move to "Full" violently enough to get stuck there.  Quick cure: try thumping the glass on the gauge to see if it pops loose.  Mine has pegged a couple of times since then and a quick thump did the trick.
            On my 2001 Zanzibar, the sender is on the side of the tank on the driver's side.  There is a hole in the frame rail big enough to access the spade terminals on the sender.  If you run the front jack down and crawl under, you can ground the sender output and see if the gauge moves to "Empty" .  Ground the gauge with an alligator clip and get out from under there BEFORE you have a helper turn on the ignition and check the gauge.  You don't want them to lean out the window to give feedback and hit the "All Down" button on the jack control with their elbow while you are under there.  As me how I know...

            Bob2001 ZHuntsville AL
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            Fri Aug 2, 2019 7:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:

            mel96safari

            Mark

            Because you have that "Cummings powered Ram and a Cat powered Safari", methinks you may have what is called the "best of both worlds", (aka: "a win-win").
            :-)

            Mel
            '96 Safari



            ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@ ...> wrote :

            I’m really between a rock and a hard place on this. I have a Cummings powered Ram and a Cat powered Safari.

            Mark
            1999 Safari 32’




            Fri Aug 2, 2019 8:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:

            "Mark Cushman" chvet73

            I can’t do anything but agree with that.

            Mark
            1999 Safari 32’
            2014 Ram 4x4 Diesel

            Sent from my iPhone

            > On Aug 2, 2019, at 7:31 AM, stuplich@... [Safarifriends] <Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
            >
            > Mark
            > Because you have that "Cummings powered Ram and a Cat powered Safari", methinks you may have what is called the "best of both worlds", (aka: "a win-win").
            > :-)
            > Mel
            > '96 Safari
            >
            >
            > ---In Safarifriends@yahoogroups.com, <chvet73@ ...> wrote :
            >
            > I’m really between a rock and a hard place on this. I have a Cummings powered Ram and a Cat powered Safari.
            >
            > Mark
            > 1999 Safari 32’
            >
            >
            >


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